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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #15 on: 15 March 2007, 10:28:54 AM »
Yes, the soundings we get from Brissy HQ only have a condensed list of indices, whereas if you get the one straight from Wyoming (only because Brissy is down) you get a whole gammit of indices - a whole page of numbers and abbreviations and quite interesting actually - but I was looking for code STM (storm motion) but none of the sounding indices for Oz have that on the sounding - wind indices are an added thing on US Skew-ts.
 
They give two sets of numbers, the direction the storm(s) are heading or likely to head and the speed in knots (ie: 175/30)  175 being SSE at 30kts.  There's no actual skew-t chart given, but lots of listed figures - i thought that perhaps the abbr 'DRCT deg' would be the wind direction as none of the figures go past 360 degrees for the Met compass which they would use.  Also they have an abbr of 'SKNT knot' which i presume is 'speed in knots' for wind?  Most of the wind speeds are from 0 to 39 which seem to me to be about right considering past Skew-t graphs i've seen of late for Darwin.

Now i've just gotten a sounding with it....now HGHT is obviously distance in metres.....(looking, looking...)...upper level max at 16600m is 32kts and with a DRCT number of 90  which equates to 32/90 and comparing that to the Skew-T and we have - whala! - wind barb facing east with the right amount of barbs and to confirm 500mb area....0/9 - barb is north at 9 kts.

Phew!  Now those reading this have to remember that I did not have a Skew-T plot until later to confirm the wind barbs, so this is a running lesson for myself with just figures.

As you can see that's why I was after the storm motion wind direction - but thinking that our storms are driven by the mid levels then that's perhaps where i should look.  (long winded but I've just educated myself...)

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #16 on: 15 March 2007, 10:40:45 AM »
I got this when searching for meteorological compass, hence my comments above:

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/obs/

What references are you using Mike ?

I use the average of wind speeds and directions between 700 and 500 hPa to estimate which way storms will head.


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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #17 on: 15 March 2007, 11:00:37 AM »
Yes, agree to both.  That's where I got the compass from it's Jeff Haby's site.  As my longwinded post last time confirmed without having the Skew-T sounding graph and only listed indices in figures and abbreviations I was able to work out the 500-700mb winds as 0/9 and 340/6 and once i got the actual sounding skew-t i was right when viewing the barbs.

I references i used were PRES hpa, HGHT m, DRCT deg, and SKNT knot.  The pages I got without the skew-t are actually all the indices in written form!

Is that what you wanted to know? :P

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #18 on: 15 March 2007, 11:15:01 AM »
Yep :)   just didn't know the connection between meteorological compass and all the variables you can get off the soundings site.
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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #19 on: 15 March 2007, 11:21:46 AM »
So by looking for steering winds at todays Darwin skew-t sounding at the 700-500mb region winds range from 700NE, 600NW to 500N between 6-0-8kt respectively - from the radar (to confirm) there is convection coming from the NW to the SE across Darwin and looking out the window the clouds are moving slow, which confirms the steering winds are right on track this arvo.

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #20 on: 15 March 2007, 11:39:36 AM »
As i didn't chase last night due to studying the books, everything that I've learnt from this topic confirmed the soundings at around 9pm when there was a nice storm off the coast to our NE (10 minute drive) which was the only one on radar with any substance and missed out on because I relied perhaps too much on the radar images earlier on when I should have been out in that direction looking to the horizon for some activity - which as it happens did eventuate!  The lesson continues!

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #21 on: 16 March 2007, 06:20:18 AM »
For those wanting to extend their knowledge of meteorology in general should include the following link as part of their resources:

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/home.rxml

It is very comprehensive and reading it is not so tedious.

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #22 on: 16 March 2007, 07:04:54 AM »
Thanks for the link - very informative.  Certainly a lot of material to study and excellent educational tools also.  will certainly add that to my list of resource avenues.

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #23 on: 25 March 2007, 03:36:55 PM »
Satpics:  I'm endeavouring not to rely too much on radar images to chase and would like to know if there's a link that shows up-to-date images I can view before heading out?  I've seen the ones on the weatherzone site and also from BSCH - but they're not up to date timewise or am i not clicking the right time!

I guess i'm after hour by hour images to enable me to locate which decent cells to go after and where i can view them?

With only 5 weeks to go till the end of the wet season, i want to get as much education i can prior to next wet season!

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Re: Storm chase techniques
« Reply #24 on: 27 March 2007, 04:36:18 AM »
Satpics are always a bit out of date by the time we get to see them. The actual scan of the Earth and the transmission times account for nearly 30 minutes I believe (not entirely sure).  Those 1km VIS images from NPMOC via BSCH are as up to date as you can get.  The time stamp is the time in UTC that the satellite commenced the scan at the north of the Northern Hemisphere.

Eg - 23:33UTC is the 00 UTC image for Australia as it actually closer to 00z that the satellite is 'looking' at Australia. To get a 00z satpic at 10.14am EST is as fast as we've ever been able to get them.

I guess the data is about 30 mins old by the time we can view it.

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