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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #75 on: 09 May 2008, 12:23:22 PM »
Hi Macca and crew,

You are in great country and hopefully would have intercepted a nice supercell over the vast plains near Seminole or wherever the storms may have occurred!

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara
Posted on: 07 May 2008, 11:37:12 PM
Hi guys,

Don't get yourself in trouble in this county!

http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=8286980

A storm chaser was arrested!

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #76 on: 10 May 2008, 09:28:20 AM »
Hi all,

Another short post (will write more from the car today of our last few days).

Three days ago we played around with a nice storm near Dodge City, Kansas.  It was relatively high based but was quite photogenic.  We eventually dropped S to Perryton in the far northern Tx panhandle where we stayed the night but not before venturing out to take lightning photos of the cluster of storms coming up from the SW.

Two days ago per my post we were in Brownfield, Tx (far south western panhandle after driving down there from the nothern panhandle) and we got onto the cluster of crap (which at times looked really nice) and we persisted with this due to the incredible 40knt dust filled inflow.  Several brief wall clouds later, a nice storm finally developed on the OFB and took on some HP characteristics near Spur (200km from where we started chasing it).  We were possibly the only chasers on this storm during daylight hours (unbelievable!).  As the shear improved on nightfall, so did the storms.  Several rounds of clustered supercells developed or moved into the area between Aspermont and Childress.  We played with these after dark (moreso for lightning) and we were treated several times to some nice CG barrages.  We eventually called it a night at about 2am and stayed in Childress.  Quite a long day and our persistence rewarded us with some nice HP structure, some brief wall clouds and some great lightning.  Quite a long chase given that we drove the entire length of the panhandle to the target, then followed storms NE half way back up the panhandle (that is assuming the panhandle ends down near Midland...).  Part of the problem this day was the westerly component to the upper level winds, meaning that anvil precip fell into the updraft region.

Yesterday we headed east after the dryline passed over us at Childress at 10am and targeted Gainsville - Sherman in northern Texas (north of Dallas).  Shear had the potential to be great with 80knts at 500mb and 40-50knts at 850mb. Instability was questionable with lots of convection from the previous night sapping a lot of the energy.  SPC mentioned strong tornadoes in their 3pm update but this wasn't to evolve.  Instability just wasn't enough and the 850mb winds veered to the SW and limited the tornado chances.  We got onto the tornado warned storm NE of Dallas but it decayed shortly after we punched through it (est 50mph winds and a few 2-3cm stones on the way through).  Again we got some photogenic storms but not the elusive tornado.

So far this chase has been a little frustrating.  Several days have held promise but things haven't quite come together, whether it be lack of moisture, the direction of a certain level of wind, or something else. 

Today we (actually...just me at the moment - others are still asleep) have woken up in Ardmore in southern Oklahoma and we are planning on heading up to Dodge City, Kansas (about 340mi away...6 hours drive) for some high based supercells and an MCS tonight. 

Saturday looks like the next day for some strong convection/tornado chances but its 3 days away so we'll wait and see.

Macca & Crew (pics to come in a day or two).
Posted on: 08 May 2008, 11:44:07 PM
hi all,

ultra quick post - lots more to come tomorrow...

that was the storm of the trip so far today - so much for high based supercells...no tornadoes but INCREDIBLE structure and inflow winds of easily 50mph (likely closer to 70mph with houses unrooved and power poles snapped by the INFLOW!).

the sounding taken from Dodge City at the time of the storm (when it was 30km NW of there) is INCREDIBLE... 0-1km SRH of 600, 0-3km SRH of 900 with -9LI's.  How this thing didn't tube I do not know.  it came close a few times but didn't quite get the job done (but who cares with awesome structure, awesome roads and shed loads of hail...we copped some solid golf balls :) ... will check for dents in the morning.

more to report tomorrow from the last 4 days + pics

Macca & Crew

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #77 on: 10 May 2008, 10:50:13 AM »
Macca,

The inflow in the US especially in events like you have suggested is what I love about that place. I guess we rarely say any storms with half decent inflow in Australia. 70mph inflow is powerful - up there with the strongest inflow one can achieve in any supercell.

Looking forward to the images.

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #78 on: 10 May 2008, 07:41:28 PM »
Hey Jimmy,

It was certainly a great storm.  A western Kansas special (like May 25 last year). 

Here are some of the more interesting reports from the SPC reports log from yesterday:

00:10z 2.75inch hail JETMORE  HODGEMAN  KS 3808 9989 (DDC)...(we were in Jetmore about 2 mins earlier and got golf-balled very shortly after).

00:00z UNK 1 E JETMORE  HODGEMAN  KS 3808 9987 5 POWER POLES REPORTED SNAPPED (DDC)...(the main core of the storm didn't reach Jetmore until 00:20z...this damage was from inflow!)

00:25Z UNK 1 S KINSLEY  EDWARDS  KS 3791 9941 A BARN WAS BLOWN ACROSS HIGHWAY 183. (DDC)...(i think this was from the actual storm - not inflow...hehe).

00:43z 70 LEWIS  EDWARDS  KS 3794 9925 TREMENDOUS THUNDERSTORM WINDS TOOK DOWN POWER POLES AND REMOVED ROOFS IN LEWIS. (DDC)...(again the storm didn't reach Lewis until after 01:00 when more storm reports were received from the town...this damage was from inflow...quote from Stuart Robinson (chaser) who was in Lewis at the time..."Extreme INFLOW winds right now, power poles down!, roofs coming off in Lewis!").

Amazing stuff.

Anyways - I've put some pics up in my gallery here from the last 2 days.  There will be more from the 2 days prior to that coming up as well. 

http://macca.bsch.au.com/gallery2/v/USA2008/

Macca



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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #79 on: 10 May 2008, 09:05:14 PM »
Holy cow!!!!

check this new footage out of a tornado passing through a carpark and watch what the security cameras picked up.  This is why you don't stay in your car when a tornado is coming.  I've been left numb - honest!  Click on the image at the top.

Caught on Tape: Cars Go Flying as Tornado Hits Business in NW Alabama
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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #80 on: 11 May 2008, 02:26:07 AM »
Thanks for those pictures Macca. Nice green tinge and structure. You can definitely see the inflow. Awesome contrast too! Well done guys!

http://macca.bsch.au.com/gallery2/v/USA2008/080508/070508am23.JPG.html

Seems like a wall cloud region in this shot.

http://macca.bsch.au.com/gallery2/v/USA2008/080508/070508am26.JPG.html

Development occurring here with scud hangig from the base near the inflow notch.

Is this near the intersection of the road just west of Greensburg that turns NW to Dodge City? Or is it near Kinsley?

Nice flat country!

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #81 on: 11 May 2008, 04:19:53 AM »
Numerous storms and tornadoes USA 8 and 9 May 2008

As I write this, a tornado warned thunderstorm including a watch box is located in Grant County Nebraska WSW of the city of North Plate. The radars are showing interesting structure as well on this storm. This storm is also very isolated.

8/5/2008

I read reports of 21 tornadoes on the SPC for this date including two weak tornadoes NW of Oklahoma City in a suburb called Bethany on Wednesday afternoon. Oklahoma City and suburbs copped it again with 14,000 homes losing power. Thunderstorms also caused some flash flooding in Oklahoma City and Tulsa with falls of around 50 mm.

Additionally a tornado hit a suburb in Tupelo (Mississippi) damaging a shopping mall.

On the subject of severe thunderstorms, Friday (Thursday USA time) I tracked a small cluster of thunderstorms (3 in total) move out of Kitt Carson County in eastern Colorado that were severe warned tracking ESE that by late in the day were over central Kansas near Hutchinson and Wichita. These storms were constantly being warned for large hail. It was interesting watching Severe Thunderstorm Watch 279 on the National Weather Service for these.

Obviously the risk of tornadoes were low being (20% for 2 or more tornadoes) and (5% for a strong tornado) but the risk of large hail was high (70% for - Probability of 10 or more severe hail events) and 40% for the probability of hail larger than 2 inches. I am unsure if this storm produced tornadoes but the storm system was constantly warned for hail and other severe weather.

I was reading an interesting forecast from the National Weather Service some of it reproduced here for Saturday:-

Eastern Oklahoma / Texas:

"Scale pattern is for organised severe storms. Storms will struggle initially on the dryline but should develop on the warm front oriented from GA into AR but expected afternoon.

Upstream, strong cold front is surging south across OK where it will intersect a well pronounced dry line near the Red River. Extreme instability could develop across SERN OKL SWRN AR into E Texas. CAP will suppress storms initially until late. Convection should fire on the cold front then more isolated along the dryline into Texas. Shear suggest supercell profiles veered south of west front. Multiple severe thunderstorms clusters could easily develop from ERN OK / AR ESE WD into NRN gulf states as upper trough deepens over MS Valley during overnight hours. Very large hail, damaging winds and isolated tornadoes are all possible threats along the multi faceted convective front
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This is one to watch for further tornadoes.

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #82 on: 11 May 2008, 12:11:50 PM »
This is a statement from a news report (courtesy Jesse Ferrell of Accuweather.com) from near Clemments, NC on what has been recently classified as an EF-3 tornado to hit the Clemments and Greensboro townships:

Quote: "Authorities began combing through the wreckage in daylight this morning (Fri, 5-9) caused by a reported tornado that killed one person and injured three others in central North Carolina. A possible tornado touched down on the outskirts of Greensboro late Thursday as severe storms swept across the Southeast, damaging homes and businesses in at least three other states. At the Greensboro-Highpoint airport a Fed-Ex plane and one other could be seen where strong winds blew them. Guilford County emergency services director Alan Perdue says one person was killed in a small truck that overturned in a parking lot west of Greensboro. He said three others were injured - one when the storm knocked down a wall at a distributing business, and authorities were looking for any others in an industrial park on the edge of town. Michelle Brock, assistant coordinator for Forsyth County Emergency Management, said several homes in the Clemmons area, just west of Winston-Salem, were heavily damaged and a number of downed trees were causing problems. She said firefighters rescued five people because of flooding in Winston-Salem and that high water had displaced about 10 people. Davie County Manager Terry Bralley said four or five homes were severely damaged by the storm but no one was badly injured."

This storm came through 09/05/08 US.

Looks like things could get even more volatile as the weekend progresses from eastern Colorado through to West Virginia. Moderate storm risks and forecasted severe weather are on the maps. For further info - see http://www.accuweather.com and click on links to extreme weather pages.

Big Pete



Posted on: 10-05-2008, 18:09:29
append: -  this obviously means the tornado season is defintely underway and firing.

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #83 on: 11 May 2008, 04:26:05 PM »
hi all,

ok - i've finally had some time to catch up on some chase reports (sorry for the delay - you'll see from the reports we have covered a few miles lately...hehe).

Michael - we did just that yesterday - after the Thursday show in western Kansas, we didn't chase y'day and went to Greensburg to catch up with some friends to see how they were doing after the tornado from May 4th last year (more on this later...an amazing day) and then we headed south and east to Tulsa. 

We are going to target central eastern Arkansas today - it will be my first proper warm-front chase so interested to see how it goes.  SPC are about to update their convective outlook - wouldn't surprise me to see a HIGH risk pop out for that area.

Ok - back to the reports...refer to the following posts :).

Macca
Posted on: 10 May 2008, 10:16:46 PM
Day 7

We drove down to south west Texas in the hope that something would kick off on the mountains  and move NE towards us.  Shear was ok (20-25knts at 850mb from the SE and 30-35knts from the SW at 500mb) and moisture was returning along the Rio Grande but lack of upper level support surpressed convection until very late.  We waited in Odessa and storms bubbled away on the mountains all afternoon but died each time they moved off.  At 6pm we called it a day as we needed to be up in southern Kansas for a better chance of storms the next day.  Of course 1.5 hours drive into our venture northwards, storms moved off the ranges towards Odessa (although they didn't make it to there until nearly 1am).  The storm/s were severe warned in the early evening (8:30pm) so our target wasn't overly bad.  Just a few small things didn't come to the party in terms of the weather.

There was a general consensus amongst the group that the far south west of Texas is an interesting place that we would be happy not to visit again for a while.

I think the highlight of this day was on our way S along I-20.  A large 4WD overtook us doing about 85mh (in a 70 zone) and shortly after a highway patrol car coming the other way slowed, drove across the median (the grass...not a turning point) and FLEW past us (easily near 100mph) and pulled this 4WD over.  As he stopped behind her, he threw his door open, jumped out and pointed viciously at another car behind us and ordered it to pull over too!!!  Unbelievable!  The car he pointed at slammed on its brakes and pulled over in front of the first car.  It was fairly exciting to say the least!

Anyways...so no action this day.
Posted on: 10 May 2008, 10:18:29 PM
Day 8

So after leaving Odessa the night before, we headed N to Lubbock for the night.  From there, we headed N through the Tx panhandle, targeting the Oklahoma panhandle (Guymon - Boise City) where two outflow boundaries looked collide later in the afternoon.  In addition to this, a weak dryline was developing along the mountains over eastern New Mexico.  DP's were forecast to get into the mid-high 50's with a mid level shortwave trough forecast to move through the area in the late afternoon.  This area is quite elevated (around 1000m ASL) so mid 50's DP's aren't too bad.  Low level winds were forecast to be 25-30knts from the S and upper level winds were forecast to be in the 40-45knt vicinity.  As we cruised N, a cluster of storms developed over the Colorado/Texas/Oklahoma border area and moved slowly ENE.  We jumped on the southern side of these N of Boise City, however, with daytime heating, moisture levels had dropped over the panhandle region into the high 40's so the storms were quite high based.  We played around on some dirt roads as we jogged east and south and east again with the storms and eventually the storms moved into some slightly better moisture over south eastern Kansas.  The storms were primarily outflow dominant but one developed a weak wall cloud and the storm was warned for hail and damaging winds.  Another storm further NE of this one produced hail in Garden City up to the size of softballs (!!). 

We played with this storm in south west Kansas and the Oklahoma panhandle until just on dark before dropping south to Perryton.  Storms had developed along the dryline in eastern New Mexico and had developed into an MCS and we were anticipating some lightning action from these storms later in the evening.  So we got a hotel room, dumped our luggage and headed S from Perryton where we intercepted a more isolated storm N of the MCS coming up from the SW but it was raining well ahead of it making lightning photography difficult.  To alleviate this problem, we headed west through the storm which had some heavy rain and hail to 1-1.5cm, and then stopped and photographed it from the back, out of the rain.  The only problem was that the cell died just as it passed over us so we were only left with anvil crawlers.  Some of us managed to catch a few but the show only lasted about 15 minutes so we headed back to Perryton for the night since the MCS was just a mess of rain and was moving east quite a distance to our south.
Posted on: 10 May 2008, 10:18:59 PM
Day 9

The overnight MCS had pushed out an outflow boundary well to the S of the Texas panhandle (and we were in the far north of the Texas panhandle) so we had a relatively early start to the day which saw us heading S.  The upper low which had been sitting off the coast of California for a few days ejecting out shortwave troughs was now forecast to start moving towards the plains and with it came some better shear.  The dryline was forecast to sharpen over eastern New Mexico and the associated low level jet was forecast to increase to 30-40knts by the afternoon from the S.  A mid-level jet was forecast to arrive over the Texas panhandle by late afternoon bringing 50-60knt WSW'lys with an 80knt jet aloft.  There was nice moisture to the S of the outflow boundary over south central Texas so we had to be south of that but further west where storms were likely to initiate, the moisture wasn't as nice.  DP's were in the mid-50's with surface temps pushing into the mid 80's.  So what we needed was storms to develop on the dryline and move eastwards into the more juicy airmass. 

SPC had a 10% chance of tornadoes for the area we were targeting (the area around Lamesa - south of Lubbock).  As we drove south through Lubbock, it started drizzling - classic stuff.  But shortly after, we crossed the outflow boundary (which had similar characteristics to a warm front by this stage) and the sky cleared to reveal some nice cumulus.  We stopped for data in Brownfield along with the DOW and convoy (per my post on the day) and noticed two areas of interest.  One on the New Mexico/Texas border south of Hobbs and another further south near Midland/Odessa.  Storms had already developed SW of Midland/Odessa and were looking nice on radar and an area of enhanced cumulus were bubbling into a small storm out near Hobbs.  We dropped a little further SW to Seagraves to get closer to the Hobbs action where we waited for a little while  and watched.  A line of rapidly developing TCu to our S and SE had us interested as did the severe warned storms which were now heading NE out of Midland heading to the area S of Lamesa so we headed east to keep both as options.  The developing TCu became storms quickly and were warned for hail and winds shortly after as we drifted just south of them.  We stopped between Seagraves and Welch where the inflow into these storms had picked up considerably.  Dust-filled southerly winds were racing into these storms at about 35-40knts - it was incredible.  A left mover emerged out of the complex of storms to our SW (the Midland stuff) with a solid base on the nothern side.  This soon put out one of the strongest downbursts I have seen with a massive blast out outflow which raced north and probably smashed Seagraves (i'll have to check the SPC storm reports for wind reports from this cell as it was VERY intense looking at it from a distance (of 5km or so)). 

The base of this left mover and the other cells to our north had merged into one BIG nasty base with solid rain cores on both sides and was moving ENE.  We jogged eastwards to Welch whilst being blasted by the insane inflow winds.  Along this east-west road, a large 4WD towing a caravan had been blown off the road by the inflow winds with the caravan lying on its side (oops).  It was raining from the anvil on us nearly the whole time since our earlier stop east of seagraves and the storms didn't seem to like this much.  We had some interesting moments as the core of the now merged beast got VERY close to us as we had to take a north, then west, then north, then east detour to stay on sealed roads.  Some smallish hail (2cm or so) and some pretty hefty wind gusts smacked us before we were able to go futher east.  After the merger between the two storms we witnessed a brief wall cloud which wrapped up and looked quite nice (from near Welch) but after this, we followed this now crappy looking complex to Tahoka as it moved at about 35mph to the NE but it was outflow dominant.   We persisted with it figuring that the insane inflow and the fact that it was moving into an area with better moisture that it would eventually get better. 

Finally between Tahoka and Spur a new bunch of storms went up on the southern edge of the complex (just to our SW).  We raced east to Post and then south east.  We were now off the flatest of the flat lands and were getting into the "hill country" of Texas which is covered with smaller trees/bushes and small hills and is kinda swampy (not ideal for chasing).  We managed to find a decent view SE of Post and these storms had developed into a HP monster!!  Over the next hour or so we watched this beautiful striated storm moved across in front of us and blast us with outflow (the storm was moving ENE and our road went SE with no other options for 30km so we let it go).  The sun then poked through under the storm and lit it up in spectacular fashion.  We eventually dropped S to Jayton and then east to near Aspermont where we finally had a road option northwards.  It was now dark but we were intent on getting some lightning so we booked it north and managed to intercept the storm again just S of Guthrie (Texas).  We got some nice CG's from this cell but it moved off to the east.  More storms had developed to our SW so we waited for these cells and scored some great lightning!! 

Eventually we called it a night (after midnight) and headed N to Childress for the night.  We were subject to storms/lightning for the next 3 or so hours although I think we all fell asleep before the storms finished. 
It was quite an eventful day but again no tornadoes.  If moisture had been better and the upper level flow had been more SW'ly I think we would've been in business but the high bases and the anvil seeding of the updrafts seemed to be the telling factors this day.
Posted on: 10 May 2008, 10:19:33 PM
Day 10


After a mere 5 hours (or so) sleep, we were up again to play another dynamic day. The upper low was now moving rapidly eastwards and in response, a surface low was developing just as rapidly over the eastern Texas panhandle/south west Oklahoma.  The system was nearly stacked (meaning that the surface low was sitting very close to the upper low) but it seemed as though it would allow a narrow corridor of instability to develop ahead of the dryline in an area of strong shear.  500mb winds were forecast to reach 80-90knts from the SW and the LLJ was forecast to get to around 50knts from the S.  The axis of instability east ofthe dryline  looked to sit somewhere around Gainesville - Sherman (this was our target) in north central Texas and with the shear, storms would rapidly move NE.  SPC had a moderate risk out for north eastern Texas with 15% hatched area for tornadoes!

The dryline passed over us at about 9:30am in Childress with another storm and some heavy rain.  We headed east and overtook the dryline near Vernon.  We stopped in Henrietta for some data and saw the DOW + convoy again and after getting data, we continued on to Gainesville where we again encountered chaser convergence with the DOW + convoy. 

I'll keep this fairly brief.  A storm developed on the dryline in far northern Texas WNW of Gainesville and produced golf-ball hail but was never warned for anything more than hail and winds.  We watched this from a distance but it looked multicellular with the strong shear seemingly preventing it from maintaining a single updraft.  I think quite a few chasers went after this.  We were also keeping an eye on a weak storm passing over Dallas.  We headed east to Sherman so we could keep both storms as an option and shortly after, the Dallas storm went from nothing to tornado warned as it intensified rapidly and showed a hook echo on radar.  We went for it and core punched about 10km N of the main action and encountered some more strong winds and hail to about 2cm.  As we broke through to the south eastern side, it was evident that this cell had gusted out and undercut the wall cloud.  We watched as this cell raced off to the NE and waited for the final line of storms to come through along the dryline.  This didn't take long given the strength of the shear but this storm had also gusted out.  It was quite photogenic in the late afternoon light thou. 

Again no tornadoes with a few things just not coming together again.  The best storm was in an area of higher instability (the one WNW of Gainesville) but the shear was too linear and the area where the shear was better, the instability was lacking.


Posted on: 10 May 2008, 10:20:30 PM
Day 11

WOW.  Not sure how to even start typing about this day.  Lets start with the set up.  SPC's Day 2 outlook was showing a 15% chance of severe storms over western Kansas with hail and damaging winds the main threats as moisture was expected to be an issue.  In its 7am outlook, SPC noted that shear was sufficient for high-based supercells with hail up to golf balls possible in stronger storms but did not have any percentage for tornadoes.

We started the day in Ardmore, Oklahoma and as Friday wasn't expected to deliver any storms, we thought we'd go for the chance of some nice structure and a lightning show in Kansas before heading back east for Saturday (which was looking potent).  We needed to be on the ball in the morning as we had a 7 hour drive ahead of us to our target area (Dodge City).  The various models were in consensus (for the first time in AGES) that a dryline bulge would set up over south western Kansas in response to an approaching upper level shortwave trough.  The models didn't really seem to correctly guage the strenth of the upper trough and also the quality of the moisture return.  We were a little surprised to see DP's in the Oklahoma panhandle and south western Kansas to be in the mid-50's after the significant weather events of the previous day (perhaps a sign of real May moisture coming). 

By early afternoon, DP's were into the high 50's over south western Kansas and CAPE was getting up above 2000j/kg with LI's of -8.  This was quite a bit higher than forecast with the models going for 1000-1500j/kg and -5 to -6 LI's.  By this stage, SPC had upgraded the tornado chances to 2% given the slightly higher DP's.  A storm fired north of the dryline bulge north west of Scott City and before it had even reached the higher end of the reflectivities it was tornado warned.  We later learned that it spawned a few landspouts in its early stages (conditions early on were classic for landspouts).  At this stage we were in Woodward in north western Oklahoma and were probably 240km away at a guess.  We continued on our trip towards Dodge City as there was a chance convection could fire further S along the dryline closer to our location. 

Over the next hour or so the storm clearly tapped into better moisture and intensified rapidly and was again tornado warned as it passed just S of Scott City.  Intersetingly enough, it was crawling along at no more than 15-2omph.  Low level winds were forecast to be about 30-35knts from the SSE and with the upper level shortwave coming through, the mid level flow was supposed to be 50-60knts from the west so shear was definitely nice.  We caught distant glimpses fo the anvil and dropped west to be near the dryline in case something went up further south but after reaching Meade in southern Kansas with a clear view of the dryline, we could see that this was going to be the southern most storm.  It was on - we raced northwards and watched updrafts explode up the back end.  In its 4pm update, SPC had upgraded to a 5% risk of tornadoes in the area of this storm!

We continued north through Cimmaron and finally got a view of the base and updraft structure - it was AWESOME.  The storm was still tornado warned for doppler-indicated rotation and had shear markers on the Threatnet with 103mph of shear.  We dropped west a bit and then north and pulled up amongst a bunch of chasers just as the storm was pushing out a nice RFD.  When we got out of the car, the inflow surprised us all.  It was easily 40mph with gusts getting up over 50mph and it was from the SE!  Trying to video and photograph in these conditions is difficult to say the least.  Tripod footage is almost out of the question as the wind blows over even the sturdiest of tripods.  The road network in this part of Kansas is incredible (if you are willing to drive on dirt/gravel roads) with a cross road every mile or so.  We stayed at this location as long as possible but we had to move eventually when the storm put down another RFD to our direct north which surged southwards towards us - it was this downburst which started the storm's transition to HP.  We, along with a bunch of other chasers, raced eastwards before we scattered in various directions - some went north (into it!), some went south and some went east.  We stopped briefly for more photos before busting it south end east again. 

The easiest way to put it from here is that we jogged east with the storm to Kalvesta and then to Jetmore stopping every 5-8 miles for photos and video at various locations.  THe storm exhibited strong rotation for much of this time.  During one of our southward jogs, an area of intense rotation developed about 1/2 to 1mi behind us - it was REALLY cranking - probably the strongest rotation I have ever seen without producing a tornado - if this thing had dropped one, it was going to be pretty close to us (within 1 mile!). 

We stopped just west of Jetmore to take more pics and there was a HUGE hail-filled green RFD which had dumped down just to our west - it was RACING towards us.  We later heard that tennis ball sized hail fell just east of Jetmore not long after we left.  We copped a nice battering of 2-3cm hail with the odd 4cm stong thrown in and we left quite a way ahead of this nasty core.  We had the choice of going S from Jetmore but we chose to go ENE.  As this storm was now HP, we wanted to be able to see (be in) the notch as if any tornadoes were going to happen, it was going to be here in the notch.  As we left Jetmore, we were battered with CRAZY inflow winds with branches coming off trees and sparking powerlines.  It was incredible - dust was coming from everywhere into the storm.  As we hooned ENE, a barrage of clear air CG's started to occur out in front of us - it was awesome to watch these bolts hit out ahead of us with clear blue sky in the background!  We got out of the hail and got a way ahead of the beast and as we drove ENE towards Sanford the anvil crawler activity went nuts!  Daylight crawlers every 4 seconds were ripping across the underside of the anvil.  We stopped in Sanford where we watched the storm wrap up again.  It came close to producing here again with tendrils of scud rotating around each other quite rapidly.  We had parked beside some large pools of water from previous days storms and it wasn't long before the hail started again.  We stayed here for nearly 10 minutes in sporadic 2-3cm hail watching the storm wrap and the hail splash into the water - it was AWESOME!  Suddenly...BANG...BANG...the bigger stuff started.  In amongst the 2-3cm stones was now the odd golf ball - and they were SOLID!  The splashes in the water were now BIG and the stones were bouncing easily 8ft in the air.  We finally had to move as we heard a report of the tennis ball hail and we didn't want to lose our windscreen!  Inflow was the strongest it had been too at this time with gusts easily over 60mph! 

As we dropped south for a little bit of safety, we saw a snapped power pole which had broken as a result of the inflow and we heard reports over the NOAA weather radio that more poles had been snapped and houses unroofed from the inflow winds!  Over the next hour in the now fading light we watched this HP beast slide past us to the north as we dropped south and east and the warnings on this storm were downgraded to severe thunderstorm warnings.  During these moves, we crossed over several of the tornado tracks from May 4th and 5th from 2007 which were still clearly visible.  Another cell which had been tracking behind this one had now developed further to the SW and a line of storms had fired along the cold front west of these storms.  We had made it nearly to Pratt when we decided to wait for this next line of storms which were looking intense on radar.  This was confirmed when a nice area of rotation developed about 5mi to our west which we could only see in the 1-2 flashes/sec lightning. Shear markers popped up on the Threatnet of 115mph but we didn't see anything resembling a tornado.  Again the hail started ahead of the main core (1-2cm) and we decided to head east into Pratt to watch as these storms as they moved into town - we had a 10mi eastward movement to make to do this.  Well...lets just say the first 8 miles was pure excitement as hail pounded down heavier than it had all day :) !!!  It was only small(ish) 2-3cm but the entire road was covered making for interesting driving and the noise was deafening. 

We made it to Pratt but the storm lost its grunt as it came in to Pratt and the hail had backed off to just heavy rain.  We got ourselves a room and called it a day...but what a day!  What a storm.  The inflow into that storm was incredible - something I have never seen before.  I mentioned in an earlier post that the inflow winds caused damage - these winds have been estimated by experienced chasers at 70-90mph!! 

Anyway - I think I've gone on long enough. 

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #84 on: 11 May 2008, 05:17:55 PM »
Hi All,
The May 8th western Kansas storm was certainly a treat.  I havn't experienced inflow into a storm like that before. We could hardly stand in it!!! Observed 2 inch hail.   Looking forward to todays chase, will be target NE Texas into Arksanas. We don't know this chase country at all though.
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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #85 on: 11 May 2008, 11:59:36 PM »
Hi all,

Just a quick post.  In Little Rock, Arkansas atm.  Latest RUC showes 6500j/kg of CAPE forecast to our SW in about 4 hours.  Currently 85/73 down there!!!  We are waiting for the warm front to lift northwards (it is about 30mi to our S atm).  Helicity values are up into the 400's so we should be in for a show this afternoon.

Macca & Crew

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #86 on: 12 May 2008, 10:42:50 AM »
USA Tornadoes 10/5/2008

There have been 34 tornado reports at the time of looking at the SPC, some of these are significant in Eastern Oklahoma / Missouri and Arkansas including fatalities. From the SPC (Via the National Weather Service), the most significant are:-

1 - At 5.42 pm (Central USA time) in Ottawa County (Far NE Oklahoma) a major tornado resulted in 5 fatalities and heavily damaged houses in towns in this county. This one is featuring on news storeys.

2 - At 6 pm (Central USA Time), a tornado has hit Seneca and later Neosho in Missouri. These towns are in far SW Missouri in Newton County south of the city of Joplin. There are numerous injuries and US Route 60 has been closed for a while. At the time of reading through the SPC, there have been 10 fatalities in Newton County.

Given the proximity of these places, it appears that this was 1 storm system including a significant tornado.

Also NE of Purdy in Missouri (Same general locality) but in adjoining Barry County further east, a tornado caused 1 fatality. Four homes damaged plus 1 church.

These tornadoes are making news storeys.

Looking at reports, it appears that other tornadoes have had much less impact.

At the time of reading the SPC, there were 154 reports of hail throughout with the largest being:-

1 - Elk Falls in Elk County SE Kansas - Tennis ball size hail (7.5 cm occurs).

Sycamore (Montgomery County in SE Kansas) hail the size of tennis balls (7.5 cm occurs).

Joplin in Jasper County in Missouri, larger baseball size hail falls on 22 nd Street and Windfield Street.

Monet SE of Joplin in Barry County - Sheet metal was observed and reported falling from the sky by an observer.

A major thunderstorm, Obviously a supercell passed across this region.

Smaller hail fell from thunderstorms elsewhere across the region from pea size through to golf ball size.

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« Reply #87 on: 13 May 2008, 10:16:24 AM »
Hi all,

I wrote this last night at about 11pm with intermittent power outages.

This day was always going to be potent. 500mb flow of 60-70knts from the west and 40-50knt 850mb winds from the S combined with CAPE in excess of 4000j/kg and a stalled warm front over central Arkansas. It doesn't get much more potent. SPC had issued a moderate risk for many of the gulf coast states including eastern Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas, all of Arkansas, most of Loisianna and Missouri, and parts of Kentucky, Tennesee, Mississippi, Georgia and Alabama with a risk for significant tornadoes over quite a few of those states too. Arkansas seemed to be in the greatest risk area with the best combination of shear and instability. We targeted Little Rock without knowing much about the terrain apart from the fact that east of Little Rock was fine and west of Little Rock left a lot to be desired.

After driving from Tulsa in the morning, we checked data in Little Rock around mid-afternoon and decided to drop a little S as the warm front was sitting just to our S. We found some WIFI in Sheridan and we waited here until nearly 5pm before the cap broke about 120km to our west. This was ok given the storm motion was forecast to be 45-50knts (given the strong shear) as it meant it wouldn't be hours until we got some action. We headed west to I-30 to intercept but the whole area S and W of Little Rock is trees and hills and views are few and far between. We eventually got off I-30 at exit 114 where we found a hill with some sort of a view (not great). A cell passed to our N but our main focus was on the one on the western edge of the cluster which had developed. As it approached, it got darker and darker and the inflow winds picked up from near calm to 20+knts. Thunder was rumbling constantly above our heads and finally we were able to see the base. It was RACING along at breakneck speed and appeared to have some rotation (which was soon evidenced by a 92mph shear marker showing up on the Threatnet about 2-3mi N of our location). We got blasted by the RFD as it passed overhead and we waited here for about 10-15mins (timely...you'll see) before we tried to chase.

It was headed right for Little Rock, however, the storm intensified rapidly and moved ESE and (kinda) spared the city. This wasn't great for us with the poor road network (and only 2 river crossings for 60km) but we persisted and tried to get ahead of the storm again. We traversed across the southern part of Little Rock before heading south east to England and then east along US-165 towards Stuttgart. We were coming in behind the storm and were planning on punching through to the front side but it was difficult given the storm speed. We drove along east of England noticing large hail to at least golf ball sized lying on the grass on the sides of the road. The southern edge of the storm was no more than 5mi to our SE, and as we drove through Humnoke a shear marker showed up on the Threatnet
with 92mph where the main updraft would be just to our SE. We couldn't see anything due to the rain but we continued east hoping that with the storm's ENE movement, we would pop out next to the base/wall cloud. As we neared Stuttgart the winds increased rapidly from the N. We had one east road option on the south side of Stuttgart which went for 20mi and that was it - that was our last chance with this storm before we had no road options left - at the time we were coming in to the north side of town. About 1 minute before we made the turn to head S through town, the shear marker updated to show 126mph entering the south side of town from the west (noting that there was a 2 minute delay). I jokingly said to the guys, "if there really is a tornado we'll know about it when we get to the south side of town". After heading S for about 1/2mi we had to turn east again before heading S again to the south eastern side of Stuttart where the east road was but we were stopped by traffic lights. There was no traffic...but our light stayed red for what seemed like an eternity. We were going CRAZY...there was potentially a tornado on the ground just to our S and we were stuck at a stop light. We think it was about 1-1.5mins past before we finally just busted through the light anyway (it was still red) and we headed east and then south. We got 2 blocks south (about 1/3 of the way through Stuttgart) when the first signs of damage started. First it was a piece of tin around a pole, then it was a BIG sign blown down, then it got worse as we headed south. Power poles snapped off at the base, trees snapped off, houses damaged with walls missing. We turned east onto our east road not entirely sure of what to do, driving across fallen powerlines and around snapped power poles lying all over the road. We saw a young woman who had just gotten out of her car - she had been in her car on the road when the tornado passed over her. Her car was surrounded by downed power lines. We stopped not more than 250m down the road when we realised there were some badly damaged houses and we started to check to make sure people were ok. People were just emerging from shelters, basements and damaged houses. I went up a side street (I think it was S Oak St) and knocked on a few doors calling out to check if anyone needed help. I then came across a family who had just come out of what was left of their fibro house. There wasn't much left...no roof, no walls, just debris. They had been in the bathroom when it hit and had all made it out unscathed - amazing. Over the next hour, we directed traffic around downed powerlines and eventually made a make-shift road block to stop cars/trucks from hitting the low-hanging wired (which would've brought down more lines/poles and caused more damage). We were going to head out of town but realised that the motels in town were relatively quiet (since it was so soon after) so we are currently holed up in a room on the north side of Stuttgart. There is no TV, no internet but we have power (although every 15-20mins the power goes off either because they are trying to fix the downed wires or because more things keep falling down).

Given what we saw tonight, this appears to have been a large tornado. From memory, damage started somewhere up near east 10th St and was still going south of US-130. This would make the tornado nearly one mile wide. We will wait to see what the result is but we know of nothing else of this tornado or any others which may've occurred today apart from a wedge in Oklahoma which may've caused several fatalities. I guess we'll find out in the morning.

We had missed being in town with the tornado by no more than 2 minutes. We think back to the 10-15mins we waited for the storm to pass before chasing it through southern Little Rock, we think about the delay at the traffic lights on the northern side of town. I think we are all in general agreement that it was a good thing we weren't 2 minutes earlier - who knows what would've happened. We have since found out from the DOW team that they got chased out of town by the tornado. They stopped a few miles east of town and looked back to see a large multi-vortex tornado just east of town and off to their north. Our rough calculations show this tornado to have been at least 1/2 mile wide.

Were we lucky - yes. Were we unlucky - yes. But if I had to choose between the two, i'd rather be lucky.

It was a little ironic that we had spent 5 or 6 hours in Greensburg, Kansas the on Friday meeting some friends who live there only to be back in a similar situation a little over 24 hours later that we were in just over 12 months ago. I guess we are starting to realise that this is part of chasing over here. There will be times when we are on the scene early.

More later on our visit to Greensburg - some amazing stories.

Macca & Crew
Posted on: 12 May 2008, 01:51:57 AM
We managed to get around much of Stuttgart this morning even though there were road blocks in many areas.  We walked through some parts of town before we were turned around by the police (and they actually threatended to lock us up as we were taking too long to head back - we were taking pics...hehe).  It was interesting thou as the residential area was not blocked off at all so we drove around, parked and walked around, etc. We went back to the place we stopped at last night and I think the house I found destroyed was potentially the worst in all of Stuttgart (thou most other houses were well constructed compared to this).  I read somewhere today that this tornado has been preliminarily rated EF3!  We got plenty of photos and video of the damage around town.  I'll try and get to these tomorrow morning.

In the mean time, I have uploaded a few more photos from 5th and 6th May to my gallery. 

http://macca.bsch.au.com/gallery2/v/USA2008/

Macca & Crew (currently in Sallisaw, Oklahoma)

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Re: 2008 US tornado season discussion
« Reply #88 on: 13 May 2008, 10:53:26 AM »
Macca and crew,

Full credit to you guys for stopping and trying to assist people. It was obvious that it was dangerous on a day like this to attempt to get ahead of a fast moving tornadic storm anyway - saving lives certainly is the cause as to what we are on about. It disturbs me that this year 2008 after all the work and education of the public and people are getting killed in the worst year for deaths in recent times.

The pictures of the carnage will follow I guess.

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« Reply #89 on: 13 May 2008, 01:31:21 PM »
Tornado reports Oklahoma and Missouri

An excellent website to peruse for film, photos and detailed storeys being NewsOK.com

It has been suggested that the tornado of Saturday is the worst since May 3 1999 given that fatalities have exceeded 20.

The town of Picher in Ottawa County has suffered badly. There is one town in this county (This might be it) in which 20 blocks of residential dwellings were heavily damaged.

The National Weather Service tracked 5 tornadic supercells across Oklahoma but the biggest twister (Mentioned in my previous post) appears to have sustained winds of 175 miles an hour (Roughly 280 km / H) and was 1 mile wide (1.6 km wide at times). It was a long track twister and I read one report on NewsOK.com suggesting it tracked some 63 miles (Around 100 km).

Several counties have been declared disaster areas such as Crawford in Kansas and Ottawa in NE Oklahoma.

Also CNN.com is covering this storey well with numerous links to various local TV stations, newspapers and I reports.

Also, there is a link to a separate video on CNN in which a resident was filming a hail storm (Location not known) and a bolt of lightling hits a shrub on a driveway some 15 metres away, captured on camera.

Harley Pearman