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001 "truffles at xenon.net" [truffles at xenon.net] *sigh*
002 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] live radar
003 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] bad news
004 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] Another logo
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Suprise Adelaide Chase
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Re: Ultra-Violet
007 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Books on the basics
008 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] Report on the feasibility of future chasing...
009 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Books on the basics
010 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Re: Ultra-Violet
011 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] NSW observations
012 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Books on the basics
013 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Books on the basics
014 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Books on the basics
015 Paul Graham [m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au] Recent Tornadoes...
016 Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at indigo.cobweb Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
017 Excel [excel at corplink.com.au] Books on the basics
018 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] *sigh*
019 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
020 Duane Van Schoonhoven [vanscho at ozemail.com.au Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
021 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Storm Surge Warning _NSW
022 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] live radar
023 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Orange Weather
024 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Grafton Examiner tornado picture
025 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Report on the feasibility of future chasing...
026 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] *sigh*
027 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Storm Surge Warning _NSW
028 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
029 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] NSW observations
030 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
031 "John Roenfeldt" [wa_tornado at hotmail.com] Report on the feasibility of future chasing...
032 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Let me introduce myself...
033 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Earth Alert Pages - Discovery Channel On Line
034 Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at indigo.cobweb Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
035 Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at indigo.cobweb Grafton Examiner tornado picture
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001
From: "truffles at xenon.net" [truffles at xenon.net]
To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: *sigh*
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:14:13 +-1000
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I'll hafta give tonight's #weather meet a miss again ...
.. I still can't get onto Austnet .... actually it's almost like mIRC has
up n died on me cos I can't get anything ..Effnet, OzOrg ..nothing .... I've
never had to install or reinstall it before this, guess there's always a
first time... is anyone else experiencing probs getting onto mIRC ... ?? Any
tips on checking my options are setup correctly/that I haven't somehow
deleted some important piece of info somewhere ..?
rals
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002
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:02:23 +1100
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Except the AUSTAR sat TV is not available in the Sydney area
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> Another alternative which ironically is cheaper than the single BOM product
> is to get AUSTAR satellite TV. The weather channel there has radar, but it
> may be 30-60 mins old at times, they also have sat pics.
>
> Austar TV = $49 per month ( 24 channels )
> BOm Radar = $55 per month
>
> Regards
> Michael
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003
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From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: bad news
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 99 07:03:09 PST
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Yes Steve - it happened to me. There was even coolant in the fish bowl
and my sox were all paired up with mis-matches. But I realised it was
not the Badnews virus - it was my 2yr old grandson. How about that?
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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> hey all,
> last night, my entire inbox, every email i have ever been sent was deleted
> last night mysteriously!:( prolly something to do with icq 99!! happened to
> anyone else?? boring day, weather wise here - 1016, 59%, 27.5C
> steve from gold coast
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From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Another logo
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 99 07:05:41 PST
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Speaking of Tasmania, do we have any Aussie Weather people there? I cannot
recall a tassie correspondent, and I'm sure they have weather - as well as
apples :-) (Me - I love the place)
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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> This logo is good! Can the letters be shaped into a map of
> Australia, including Tasmania?
>
> Duane
> Paracombe, SA
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005
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:08:34 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Suprise Adelaide Chase
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G'day Phil,
Liked your observation, very interesting. WE can get some nasty storms
up this way - Blue mountains (elev. 1100 metres)
Phil Bagust wrote:
>
> Hello All.
>
> Well, I certainly didn't expect any action in 'Stability City' (AKA
> Adelaide) today. Nothing forecast. Another hot day.
>
> Had to work at Gawler, 45km north of town. As I drove up I noticed nice Cu
> with pileus over the ranges, but thought nothing of it. Bound to die.
>
> As the day wore on, nice congestus popped up, and then died. That's
> basically how I expected the day to end - but as I started the drive home I
> noticed one cell over One Tree Hill (`30km NNE from Adelaide) had got much
> bigger and blacker. So I opted for the longer alternative route home
> through the hills.
>
> As I stopped at a good vantage spot, the cool outflow from this cloud was
> already noticable. Clouds were moving noticably in towards a dark lowering
> from all directions. With only occasional static on the radio something
> was happening! Pretty soon I noticed a classic precipitation cascade out
> to the west, I got three shots as the 'foot' extended in textbook fashion.
> Then the gust front hit me, about 30knots I'd say. Then I noticed
> rotation! Out of this 'little' cloud! I almost didn't believe it, but it
> was definitely there, and in a clockwise sense! I took another shot, it
> only lasted 30 seconds. Finally, after a little rising scud action, it
> started to rain and the whole thing collapsed.
>
> The moral?
> 1) Here in Adelaide we are desperate for any action at the moment
> 2) Even decidedly non-supercellular clouds can produce interesting weather
>
> Cheers all
>
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:14:28 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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G'day Michael,
I liked your answer. My partners dad is a retired CSIRO scientist and he
gave a similar answer. That was my basic thinking. If you get a chance
to
view Meteorology Today by C Donald Ahrens, do so, it has hundreds of
pages on all sorts of weather phenomenon written for university level.I
recently bought it.
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> OK, I will give it a stab, please note that this is off the top of my head
> and I have never really studied it. So if I am wrong I am sorry.
>
> Light consists of long waves at one end - Infra Red and high waves at the
> other - Ultra Violet. Infra Red strikes your skin and is absorbed and
> converted to heat at the skin surface. Ultra Violet however penetrates into
> the flesh before being absorbed, damaging your flesh cells in the process.
>
> Ultra Violet is absorbed in the atmosphere to a small degree ( although
> there are UV-A UV-B and C and I think one is bounced completely ), naturally
> therefore the higher you are the less UV has been absorbed. Coolness does
> not come into play as UV does not generate heat like Infra Red.
>
> You can see a living example of light absorbion by simply going for a
> snorkel in the ocean, as you dive deeper and deeper colours start
> disappearing, red first, then yellows, but blue is the last the disappear.
> Which leads me to think why are so many deep sea fish red, is that like an '
> invisible' colour ?
>
> Michael
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:00:29 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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G'day Chris,
Chris Maunder wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Was wondering if any of you can recommend some good texts on
> meteorology/severe weather. Most (well, ALL) of the books at the local
> co-op are focused on climatology as it affects population and agriculture.
> What I'm after are some books on specific weather processes such as cloud
> formation, the development and physics of supercells etc. Something
> descriptive would be good, but some hard maths and physics wouldn't go
> astray either. I've got 4 years of Uni physics and maths so I guess I
> should at least put it to good use :)
>
Um, the best book I have ever seen is Meteorology Today by C Donald
Ahrens. It is around 500 pages packed with just about every weather
phenomenon you could imagine: Snow Storms, elnino, super storms, clouds,
global warming, and quite a lot of theory on these and many more
subjects. It's written for uni/college level and goes into things quite
deeply - much more deeply than most weather books anyway. I bought a
copy recently from the States. Cost me $150 bucks!
Cheers,
Lindsay
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From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Report on the feasibility of future chasing...
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 99 09:10:29 PST
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Hello Michael and everyone,
I have been following the debate regarding Rules etc for storm chasing.
My thoughts are taking several directions, but I'll try to put them down
in a logical and ordered fashion.
Firstly, there are 2 separate issues I perceive. One is fairness - is it
fair for one driver to accept the responsibility, the vehicle wear and tear,
etc. Hence the Hire Car proposal from Jimmy.
Secondly there is the issue of legal responsibility - litigation possibly,
in the event of damage to person/s or property.
1. Fairness;
If person a - say Jimmy, decides to go chasing, and person b asks to tag
along, then unless strongly persuaded by person b, hail dents would be the
responsibility of person a, as they would have occurred regardless of
person b's participation. Person b would, in the spirit of farness, share
the running costs for the outing, and would offer to share the driving.
The offer may be taken up or rejected - that is person a's right.
2. Legal responsibility
In the event of an accident which injured either or both chasers, normal
processes of law must surely prevail. In the event of damage to the car
not caused by negligence, ( i.e. tree falling, etc) then a fair result
would be shared excess, moral being only comprehensively insured vehicles
should offer lifts (and I don't refer just to chases.)
Now, once rules are established, then the body declaring the rules would
also be seen to be the body responsible for the event.
While it is all very well to say that the ASWA does not organise chases,
if you look at minutes of meetings, post agenda business will usually
include a 'Show and Tell' session with chases generally the favoured
topic. My understanding is that it is not possible to sign away your
rights. So I extrapolate that to infer that even if you sign a piece
of paper saying that it is your choice to attend a chase, the mere fact
that it has been, is, or will be 'adopted' by ASWA people,and if the rules
for the chase were devised by those people - indicate the involvement of
ASWA.
Perhaps "Coming Out" may be the best policy in the end. Couses in chasing
and perhaps driving in hazardous conditions, when successfully completed,
could result in a certificate of some kind, complete with warnings etc on
the reverse. The aim would be to make sure the ASWA is seen to be acting
responsibly, and encouraging responsible behaviour in all weather
enthusiasts. The ASWA never 'tells' anyone to go chase ..., and maybe a
rule of thumb could be that the closest recognised 'chase group' goes,
with a back-up group on-call. And the purpose specifically that of
information gathering - not thrills - they come later.
Interesting too, is the suggestion of corporate sponsorship of a hire car.
This would be more likely to be forthcoming for an organisation-sponsored
expidition than for a few individuals, unless of course, one (or more)
had credentials the sponsor could exploit.
I must admit I like the idea of 2 cars.
Summary
OF course I agree with emergency contact info lodged somewhere.
I think, too, chasers should always leave chase details in the same
manner (like flight details).
Perhaps the Aussie Weather list could serve in this way. If would-be
chasers as well as current chasers in each state mailed emergency contact
details to, say Jane, as she handled the collation of other details, they
could be put together into an attachment and mailed directly to a member
of the relevant state ASWA sub-branch. Chase details could go directly
to Aussie Weather, as indivuals Aussie Weatherites will probably want to
store chase details with the report when available, together in chase folders.
Individual chasing should not be encouraged by anyone at all.
People sharing their own cars should be upfront about the share conditions.
Training chases could be a good idea - perhaps start with tricycles goin'
after them big Sc events. And I do think a sketch pad and pastels is better
than a Pentax for these exciting occasions.
I've raved on a bit, but the issues involved are very relevant, and
also quite complex. Maybe we have a legal mind among us? Huh??
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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>
> Rules should only include instances where an individuals action may affect
> the safety of the group. Personally I am happy to get out in the open with
> lightning, but that is my choice. If others wish to stay I respect that too.
>
> On the other hand you need to have rules if you find a yahoo at the wheel
> whose driving endangers the group in the car, or to stop people parking
> under trees during potential downburst situations.
>
> Remember that car accidents are the single worse danger in storm chasing,
> not core punching or lightning.
>
> Michael
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:01:28 +1100
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From: Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Books on the basics
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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!
- Chris
At 09:00 4/02/99 -0800, you wrote:
>G'day Chris,
>Um, the best book I have ever seen is Meteorology Today by C Donald
>Ahrens. It is around 500 pages packed with just about every weather
>phenomenon you could imagine: Snow Storms, elnino, super storms, clouds,
>global warming, and quite a lot of theory on these and many more
>subjects. It's written for uni/college level and goes into things quite
>deeply - much more deeply than most weather books anyway. I bought a
>copy recently from the States. Cost me $150 bucks!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Lindsay
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:45:43 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> Does anyone know much about Ultra Violet Light? I live at around 1100
> metres and it seems that the air (whilst cooler) definately burns more
> up here. Can anyone help? I would reason it is to do with the thinner
> air etc.
Please anyone with more scientific knowledge than me correct this
response;
1) The UV that "burns" us covers a reasonably broad spectra
(wavelenghs).
2) The Ozone layer exists primarily within the upper layers of the
stratosphere (~10 to 50km) and is reponsible for the majority of UV
spectra absorbtion.
3) UV is less easily absorbed by other atmospheric gases including
water vapour droplets etc. It is the non-ozone gases that contribute
most of the bulk to the atmosphere and it is the effect their
absorbtion that accounts for increased UV exposure with altitude.
4) I don't have precise figures but with a scientific backgroud, you
could work out the increase at 1100m that results from less absorbing
gases present between 1100m and that incident on the ozone layer.
Let's say that 50% of the total will always be absorbed by the ozone
layer and this is relatively invariant. We know otherwise these days,
however:-( So we only have to worry about the 50% that propagates
through the ozone layer. Let's say this represents 100 units of total
permitted UV energy, of which only 10 units reaches sea level on a
clear day (the rest absorbed). I don't know the real figure. It could
be 30 units or 3 units. Estimating...Therefore, 90 units have been
absorbed by the atmosphere in between. If we move from Mean Sea Level
(1000Mb) to 1100m (~900Mb), that's 10% of the atmosphere lost already
so we can expect the incident UV energy to increase by at least 9
units! If you work out what this means to sunscreen, we have 10 UV
units reaching MSL and 19 UV units reaching 1100m per unit area.
That's almost double! Higher up in the snow country, say Mt.
Crackenback or Mt. Perisher at just over 2000m (2037 and 2057
respectively). the pressure is around 800 to 810mb, so that's another
increase of 9 UV units. Almost three times the quantity exposed at
MSL.
One must slip, slop, slap a hell of a lot more the higher up we go!
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: NSW observations
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:12:15 +1100 (EST)
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>
> Keith...
> you must be using the Gopher which hasn't been updated for a long
> time... go to the Bof M site, NSw, Obs and you'll find the current day's
> rainlist
> Don White
Actually, it's only some of the NSW observations that aren't being
updated on the gopher site - the rest is still alive and well,
and there are still things on it that aren't on the web (aviation
reports, some current obs) - for how much longer is anyone's guess.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:55:06 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Chris Maunder wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Was wondering if any of you can recommend some good texts on
> meteorology/severe weather.
Not that this would meet you physics needs but it's a little beauty:
Collins GEM Weather Photoguide
ISBN 0 00 470829 6
HarperCollins Publishers
get this:-) Text by Storm Dunlop
First published 1996
This is the best bit:-) Cost $8.95
Available from Dymocks.
It's a bit British-biassed but they acknowledge that the Southern
Hemisphere exists:-) It also fits neatly in your pocket measuring 8.7
x 11.5 x 1.5 cm. It's over 250 pages with often more than one photo on
each page in pretty good colour too.
Michael Scollay
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Books on the basics
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:09:08 +1100
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Michael, I agree with you - this is one of the best little books - and you
can carry it with you in the fiels - has some absolutely brilliant stuff.
Jane
Bayswater
>Chris Maunder wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Was wondering if any of you can recommend some good texts on
>> meteorology/severe weather.
>
>Not that this would meet you physics needs but it's a little beauty:
>
>Collins GEM Weather Photoguide
>ISBN 0 00 470829 6
>HarperCollins Publishers
>get this:-) Text by Storm Dunlop
>First published 1996
>This is the best bit:-) Cost $8.95
>Available from Dymocks.
>
>It's a bit British-biassed but they acknowledge that the Southern
>Hemisphere exists:-) It also fits neatly in your pocket measuring 8.7
>x 11.5 x 1.5 cm. It's over 250 pages with often more than one photo on
>each page in pretty good colour too.
>
>Michael Scollay
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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:07:31 +1100
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Hi Chris,
I can highly recommend the following books:-
1. The Weather and Climate of Australia and New Zealand (Andrew Sturman and
Nigel Tapper)
2. The Thunderstorm in Human Affairs (Kessler)
3. Thunderstorm morphology and dynamics (Kessler)
The first book is great for general Australian and New Zealand weather. I
ordered it through Dymocks website. The other two books in particular the
last one focus in great depth on thunderstorm formation and associated
phenomena such as hail and tornados. I ordered these through the Co-op
Bookshop website and they had to be shipped from the US so they took about 2
months to arrive.
I hope i have been of some assistance
Matthew Piper
-----Original Message-----
>Hi All,
>
>Was wondering if any of you can recommend some good texts on
>meteorology/severe weather. Most (well, ALL) of the books at the local
>co-op are focused on climatology as it affects population and agriculture.
>What I'm after are some books on specific weather processes such as cloud
>formation, the development and physics of supercells etc. Something
>descriptive would be good, but some hard maths and physics wouldn't go
>astray either. I've got 4 years of Uni physics and maths so I guess I
>should at least put it to good use :)
>
>cheers,
>Chris.
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:37 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Recent Tornadoes...
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The following is a summary from the Bureau of Meteorology's Significant
Weather Review:
Western Australia:
28th November, 1998: tornado near Goomalling. Path about 2km's long and
100 meters wide.
28th November, 1998: possible tornado in the Quairading area.
Queensland:
9th November, 1998: tornado sighted in the Proston area - building damage
reported.
24th November, 1998: tornado sighted - Sunshine Coast - building damage
reported.
Northern Territory:
7th November, 1998: tornado reported at Arltunga - metal trailer lifted
about 4 feet.
8th November, 1998: funnel cloud sighted near Kulgera.
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:31:26 +0930
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From: Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at indigo.cobweb.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
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>G'day Phil,
>
>Liked your observation, very interesting. WE can get some nasty storms
>up this way - Blue mountains (elev. 1100 metres)
>
What about the snowfall side of things at 1100m? I'd be interested to hear
tales of extreme 'white stuff' events. In SA one hangs on to each flake as
if it were the last!
I've done quite a bit of research into historical snowfalls in SA. On
things for sure, earlier this century 'big dumps' (relative term) were much
more common than they are now. I guess that's global warming for you.
The big area for falls was (is) not the South Mt Lofty Ranges behind
Adelaide (although falls like last July always get heavy publicity because
of their 10 minute proximity to the city). Take the area in the North
Lofty/South Flinders ranges between Clare, Mt Remarkable (965m)
Peterborough and Mt Bryan (933m). Most of this is a rolling plateau at
about 5-600m altitude with higher ridges. Some of the old accounts mention
drifts on the hills that lasted for a week. Pretty remarkable for that
latitude and low altitude.
The northern Flinders are higher, but further north too, so we really have
to get a powerful southerly outbreak (July 84), or a cut off eastern low
(Oct 94) to get a sprinkling up there....
I'd really be interested to hear any reports from the MacDonell ranges
around Alice. At 1500m, surely, once in a blue moon, it must snow.....
Cheers
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:12:03 -0700
From: Excel [excel at corplink.com.au]
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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i find the storm spotters handbook was a great help in observing the basics when
out in the field and hey it was cheap also . David
Matthew Piper wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I can highly recommend the following books:-
>
> 1. The Weather and Climate of Australia and New Zealand (Andrew Sturman and
> Nigel Tapper)
>
> 2. The Thunderstorm in Human Affairs (Kessler)
>
> 3. Thunderstorm morphology and dynamics (Kessler)
>
> The first book is great for general Australian and New Zealand weather. I
> ordered it through Dymocks website. The other two books in particular the
> last one focus in great depth on thunderstorm formation and associated
> phenomena such as hail and tornados. I ordered these through the Co-op
> Bookshop website and they had to be shipped from the US so they took about 2
> months to arrive.
>
> I hope i have been of some assistance
>
> Matthew Piper
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]
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Bounced message from Phil:
>
>>I'll hafta give tonight's #weather meet a miss again ...
>>
>>.. I still can't get onto Austnet .... actually it's almost like mIRC has
>>up n died on me cos I can't get anything ..Effnet, OzOrg ..nothing ....
>>I've never had to install or reinstall it before this, guess there's
>>always a first time... is anyone else experiencing probs getting onto mIRC
>>... ?? Any tips on checking my options are setup correctly/that I haven't
>>somehow deleted some important piece of info somewhere ..?
>>
>>rals
>
>I'm with you. For some reason my client (Homer) has refused to connect to
>anything for the last 2 weeks. Weird. A conspiracy?
>
>
>Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
>paisley at cobweb.com.au
>
>
>
Not sure why it isnt working for you, maybe download it again and try
again, make sure the set up is filled in.
Also, I dont think mirc works for mac users.
Jacob from Perth
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:18:53 +1100 (EST)
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> What about the snowfall side of things at 1100m? I'd be interested to hear
> tales of extreme 'white stuff' events. In SA one hangs on to each flake as
> if it were the last!
>
> I've done quite a bit of research into historical snowfalls in SA. On
> things for sure, earlier this century 'big dumps' (relative term) were much
> more common than they are now. I guess that's global warming for you.
>
> The big area for falls was (is) not the South Mt Lofty Ranges behind
> Adelaide (although falls like last July always get heavy publicity because
> of their 10 minute proximity to the city). Take the area in the North
> Lofty/South Flinders ranges between Clare, Mt Remarkable (965m)
> Peterborough and Mt Bryan (933m). Most of this is a rolling plateau at
> about 5-600m altitude with higher ridges. Some of the old accounts mention
> drifts on the hills that lasted for a week. Pretty remarkable for that
> latitude and low altitude.
I'd be a little sceptical of the drifts lasting a week, but no
surprise in the rest of what you have to say. A pity there are no 1000-
metre peaks in the SE. (The 1000-500 hPa thickness values got so
low in the cold outbreak of 26/1/1996 that I expect the snow level
at Mount Gambier would have been 600-800 metres had there being anything
for it to fall onto).
> The northern Flinders are higher, but further north too, so we really have
> to get a powerful southerly outbreak (July 84), or a cut off eastern low
> (Oct 94) to get a sprinkling up there....
I presume you mean Oct 95?
> I'd really be interested to hear any reports from the MacDonell ranges
> around Alice. At 1500m, surely, once in a blue moon, it must snow.....
>
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
Falling (not lying) snow was observed at Yulara in July 1997. The
problem is generally lack of precipitation in cold episodes once you
get that far inland.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:35:44 +1030
From: Duane Van Schoonhoven [vanscho at ozemail.com.au]
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Phil,
I spent eight years up in "The Alice" and never saw snow. It did get
cold at night in the winter, with temperatures often below zero
degrees C.
However, while I was there, I did see some of the most spectacular
thunderstorms and hailstorms in my entire life! And many times after
a big hailstorm, it looked like a "blanket of snow" covering the town
and surrounding areas.
Cheers to all,
Duane Van Schoonhoven
Paracombe (Adelaide),
South Australia
Phil Bagust wrote:
> I'd really be interested to hear any reports from the MacDonell ranges
> around Alice. At 1500m, surely, once in a blue moon, it must snow...
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Storm Surge Warning _NSW
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:00:28 +1100
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Things are starting look interesting. BOM has just released a storm surge
warning for between Norah Head and Coffs Harbour, with waves to 6 m. Damage
as usual will depend on what sort 'seas' and wind runs over the swell.
With gale force SE winds expected and the swell from E/NE initially it may
not be a problem, but the swell will swing more E later tomorrow.
Occasional 6ft sets at Warilla Beach this afternoon, although out of the
warning zone Shellharbour surfers can still expect a few big ones tomorrow
as Bass Point acts as a wave focus, the shore line faces directly N/NE
there.
Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: live radar
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:04:23 +1100
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that ! But the original author was from Cairns
I think ).
Regards
Michael
-----Original Message-----
>Except the AUSTAR sat TV is not available in the Sydney area
>
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From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Orange Weather
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:36:21 +1100
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Hi All,
Nothing exciting to report. Still fine & sunny. At 18.35 in Orange we have
24C 1013 24% E/ENE 10-20 Knots.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:39:55 +1100
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aussie-weather: Grafton Examiner tornado picture
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
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Hi All,
I have posted the article and picture from yesterdays Grafton Examiner
newspaper. It is a follow up story to the one from Monday and was kindly
emailed to me by the spotter mentioned in the article: Halden Boyd.
http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/temp/grafton300199.gif
regards, Michael
*==========================================================*
Michael Bath Oakhurst, Sydney mbath at ozemail.com.au
Australian Severe Weather
http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/
*==========================================================*
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:37:25 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Report on the feasibility of future chasing...
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Hi all and sundry,
I've not been in the mailing list for long but I would just like to comment
on the discussions re rules etc for chasing.
It's pretty clear from the discussions that there is much uncertainty as to
what is feasible and what isn't. I think this is understandably due to the
legal questions, as well as, of course, the practical considerations.
Any self-respecting organisation must have firm guidelines set in place to
cover every possible contingency.
(I must confess that although I'd love to go chasing storms I don't feel
like footing a massive damage bill to my car for hail damage, especially as
the car is only 12 months old!)
The issues of damage, and liability for damage, must surely be the most
important, but not that people shouldn't consider the others as well, of
course.
Assuming the ASWA has a clearly defined set of Articles of
Association, these should be expanded to cover every possible or potential
liability for a damages claim. In my view this needs (as has been intimated
below) the services of a qualified lawyer.
Some additional protection may be conferred by imposing on all
members some sort of a levy (or build one into an annual subscription) that
would cover car owners for both personal as well as property damage.Legal
advice could be taken and an appropriately worded statement drawn up, even
if the one-of cost of this is a bit heavy.
Years ago, in the Public Circus Office where I work, there used
to be a small annual premium to protect accounts clerks from personal
liability for overpayment of trust funds by them to beneficiaries of
deceased estates. It was discontinued as other means became available for
this purpose. I can see much merit in a similar system for storm chasing
subject of course to the fact that discussions along those lines may have
been had, although I'm not aware of any details.
I think also that the public perception of a society whose
members must be crazy, as far as the public are concerned, to expose
themselves and their property to potential storm damage, needs to be
addressed. I really do think this is part of the 'feasibility' issue and
should be addressed to the extent that it hasn't been already, if that is
the case.
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:39:08 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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I had trouble with it last night. When I finally navigated my way to a
server I was told that the system was busy and I should contact the system
administrator.....
"truffles at xenon.net" wrote:
> I'll hafta give tonight's #weather meet a miss again ...
>
> .. I still can't get onto Austnet .... actually it's almost like mIRC has
up n died on me cos I can't get anything ..Effnet, OzOrg ..nothing .... I've
never had to install or reinstall it before this, guess there's always a
first time... is anyone else experiencing probs getting onto mIRC ... ??
Any tips on checking my options are setup correctly/that I haven't somehow
deleted some important piece of info somewhere ..?
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:40:34 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Another east coast low developing...haven't had any for a while.
I told someone today at work that I expected showers in Sydney to increase to
rain periods by tomorrow....
Michael Thompson wrote:
> Things are starting look interesting. BOM has just released a storm surge
> warning for between Norah Head and Coffs Harbour, with waves to 6 m. Damage
> as usual will depend on what sort 'seas' and wind runs over the swell.
> With gale force SE winds expected and the swell from E/NE initially it may
> not be a problem, but the swell will swing more E later tomorrow.
>
> Occasional 6ft sets at Warilla Beach this afternoon, although out of the
> warning zone Shellharbour surfers can still expect a few big ones tomorrow
> as Bass Point acts as a wave focus, the shore line faces directly N/NE
> there.
>
> Michael Thompson
> http://thunder.simplenet.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:41:37 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
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I'm sure many will recall the snow at Ayer's Rock a couple of years back
(courtesy of an upper cold pool)
Duane Van Schoonhoven wrote:
> Phil,
>
> I spent eight years up in "The Alice" and never saw snow. It did get
> cold at night in the winter, with temperatures often below zero
> degrees C.
>
> However, while I was there, I did see some of the most spectacular
> thunderstorms and hailstorms in my entire life! And many times after
> a big hailstorm, it looked like a "blanket of snow" covering the town
> and surrounding areas.
>
> Cheers to all,
>
> Duane Van Schoonhoven
> Paracombe (Adelaide),
> South Australia
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:54:58 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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I do know that the Bureau is eventually going to close the Gopher down.
One would think they'd remove the menus that no longer operate!
Blair Trewin wrote:
> >
> > Keith...
> > you must be using the Gopher which hasn't been updated for a long
> > time... go to the Bof M site, NSw, Obs and you'll find the current day's
> > rainlist
> > Don White
> Actually, it's only some of the NSW observations that aren't being
> updated on the gopher site - the rest is still alive and well,
> and there are still things on it that aren't on the web (aviation
> reports, some current obs) - for how much longer is anyone's guess.
>
> Blair Trewin
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:21:47 +1100
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
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Up to 1995, snowfalls had been reported 130 times in 140 years in South
Australia. The earliest (in season) reported snowfall was on 25 April
1919 while snow fell iat Mt Lofty and near Mt Gambier on 3 December
1955, accoridng to press reports but I believe that may have been soft
hail. My research indicated the maximum snow depths in South Austrlaia
are as follows: (all depths in centimetres)
Angaston 2, Birdwood 4, Black springs 5, Bridgewater Mill 2, Hallett 10
(where it that ???), St Marys Peak 5, Mt Barker 5, Mt Bryan 6, Mt Lofty
4, Mt Pleasant 3, Orroroo 3, Stirling 3, Wilpena 4 and Yongala 3. Light
falls less than 2 cm have been reported around Mt Gambier and near Cleve
on the western side of Spencers Gulf.Hope this is of interest to snow
starved South Aussies
Don White
Phil Bagust wrote:
>
> >G'day Phil,
> >
> >Liked your observation, very interesting. WE can get some nasty storms
> >up this way - Blue mountains (elev. 1100 metres)
> >
>
> What about the snowfall side of things at 1100m? I'd be interested to hear
> tales of extreme 'white stuff' events. In SA one hangs on to each flake as
> if it were the last!
>
> I've done quite a bit of research into historical snowfalls in SA. On
> things for sure, earlier this century 'big dumps' (relative term) were much
> more common than they are now. I guess that's global warming for you.
>
> The big area for falls was (is) not the South Mt Lofty Ranges behind
> Adelaide (although falls like last July always get heavy publicity because
> of their 10 minute proximity to the city). Take the area in the North
> Lofty/South Flinders ranges between Clare, Mt Remarkable (965m)
> Peterborough and Mt Bryan (933m). Most of this is a rolling plateau at
> about 5-600m altitude with higher ridges. Some of the old accounts mention
> drifts on the hills that lasted for a week. Pretty remarkable for that
> latitude and low altitude.
>
> The northern Flinders are higher, but further north too, so we really have
> to get a powerful southerly outbreak (July 84), or a cut off eastern low
> (Oct 94) to get a sprinkling up there....
>
> I'd really be interested to hear any reports from the MacDonell ranges
> around Alice. At 1500m, surely, once in a blue moon, it must snow.....
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
> paisley at cobweb.com.au
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From: "John Roenfeldt" [wa_tornado at hotmail.com]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Report on the feasibility of future chasing...
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 02:30:07 PST
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>> While it is all very well to say that the ASWA does not organise
>chases, if you look at minutes of meetings, post agenda business will
>usually include a 'Show and Tell' session with chases generally the
>favoured topic. My understanding is that it is not possible to sign
>away your rights. So I extrapolate that to infer that even if you
>sign a piece of paper saying that it is your choice to attend a
>chase, the mere fact that it has been, is, or will be 'adopted' by
>ASWA people,and if the rules for the chase were devised by those
>people - indicate the involvement of ASWA.
OK, so lets take it out of all agendas. When the meeting is finished,
you can do whatever you like.
A lot of these legal issues would disappear if we disassociate ASWA from
storm chasing.
ASWA should be an association of weather enthusiasts who meet to discuss
weather issues and events, and to further the cause of education,
accuracy, public awareness of Severe Weather in Australia.
Sure, some of its members chase storms, but that does not mean that
should be an official part of the association.
I believe that this issue must be brought up at ASWA meetings, and a
decision made as to what we will do. Michael, Jimmy, State branches,
would it be possible to add it to your next meetings agenda for
discussion?
Another item for discussion might be a code of practice for ASWA
members. A guideline to the ways in which reports are made, member's
behavior, the way we deal with the Bureau of Meteorology, presenting
ASWA to the public, etc. Also, we might like to organise 'working bees'
to assist people where they have been hit by severe weather. This would
present ASWA asn a caring and contributing organisation to the
community.
Then there is the separate issue of car costs, damage, driving, etc
whilst on chases.
I believe this should be handled outside of ASWA. I understand Jimmy's
concerns in always doing the driving, risks to vehicle, and they are
valid concerns, but this should be handled between the individuals who
want to chase together. It is only fair that people share
responsibility, otherwise you will find chasers reluctant to share their
chasing with others. (Bad news for people new to chasing who want to
get experience)
The emergency contact details is a great idea, but once again keep it as
a list of details that can be used in the event of an emergency, but not
for the "Official" use of Storm Chasing.
regards,
John Roenfeldt
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:32:17 +1100
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]
Subject: aussie-weather: Let me introduce myself...
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Hi All,
Just got the "welcome" letter from Jane ONeill, and she suggested
us newcomers introduce ourselves.
Well, you have my name and email, and I live in Canberra (in Scullin).
I work from home as a programmer for some guys in the US and Canada,
but before that I was completing a PhD at CSIRO Land and Water. The
topic was on incorporating fine scale detail into existing Digital
Elevation Models, but it's been put on hold after the evil IT industry
lured me with money :). Before that I bummed around ANU for 4 years
doing maths and physics and did Honours in General Relativity.
Apart from that I get a little weird when I see tall Cu forming and
excel at taking bad photos of lightning. It's so nice to know there
are others with the same fascination!
cheers,
Chris.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Earth Alert Pages - Discovery Channel On Line
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:43:36 +1100
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This page used to be on separate site once called EARTHWEEK. It seems it has
now found a new home.
The page is very simple and the stories brief and non-technical. Don't be
put off by the non-technical nature, it is great reading non the less. You
simply click on the symbols on the world map to read the stories. Stories
are not limited to weather, but general Natural science.
Some examples of news stories this week is the Victorian Bushfires,
Cyclone Damien / Chikita and torrential rain and snow in Algeria killing 3
people.
Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:03:22 +0930
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at indigo.cobweb.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Up to 1995, snowfalls had been reported 130 times in 140 years in South
>Australia. The earliest (in season) reported snowfall was on 25 April
>1919 while snow fell iat Mt Lofty and near Mt Gambier on 3 December
>1955, accoridng to press reports but I believe that may have been soft
>hail. My research indicated the maximum snow depths in South Austrlaia
>are as follows: (all depths in centimetres)
>Angaston 2, Birdwood 4, Black springs 5, Bridgewater Mill 2, Hallett 10
>(where it that ???), St Marys Peak 5, Mt Barker 5, Mt Bryan 6, Mt Lofty
>4, Mt Pleasant 3, Orroroo 3, Stirling 3, Wilpena 4 and Yongala 3. Light
>falls less than 2 cm have been reported around Mt Gambier and near Cleve
>on the western side of Spencers Gulf.Hope this is of interest to snow
>starved South Aussies
>
>Don White
Thanks Don. Hallett is a small town just west of Mt Bryan, its actually
closer to the mountain than the town of the same name. Hallett is 610m asl
and is the equal highest gazetted town (not settlement) in SA. I wish I
could remember which book I found some of my records in - I'm pretty sure
it was one of the local histories. Many of these books feature snow
scenes, presumably because it was a novelty. I definitely saw a reference
to a fall (sometime between 1900 and 1910 - this seemed to be a
particularly cold period) where snow lay on Mt Bryan for a week and there
were drifts several feet deep
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:52:24 +0930
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at indigo.cobweb.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Grafton Examiner tornado picture
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Hi All,
>
>I have posted the article and picture from yesterdays Grafton Examiner
>newspaper. It is a follow up story to the one from Monday and was kindly
>emailed to me by the spotter mentioned in the article: Halden Boyd.
>http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/temp/grafton300199.gif
>
>regards, Michael
Looks a little like the Booloroo tornado on the ASW site?
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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