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001 "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au] Web site
002 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Web site
003 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] More severe weather for eastern NSW?
004 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au More severe weather for eastern NSW?
005 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] November - December storm chase
006 "Joanne Walker" [jmwalker at hotmail.com] November - December storm chase
007 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au November - December storm chase
008 Bodie_27 at postmaster.co.uk SE QLD wx
009 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] November - December storm chase
010 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. My Travel Report - March / April 1999
011 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Melbourne Webcam
012 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Sister's Questionaire
013 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Sister's Questionaire
014 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Katoomba Site: was "Brisbane Totals + Brisbane Froze O'night
015 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Great to see Michael Scollay back safe`
016 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sister's Questionaire - cmon!
017 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Katoomba Site: was "Brisbane Totals + Brisbane Froze O'night
018 Bodie_27 at postmaster.co.uk UK Weather Sites
019 "Nick Sykes" [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au] Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
020 Tim Grugeon [timg at iniaccess.net.au] Katoomba Site: Barrington Tops is similar
021 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Katoomba Site: was "Brisbane Totals + Brisbane Froze
022 Tim Grugeon [timg at iniaccess.net.au] Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
023 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
024 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com] RE: Nov. - Dec. storm chase + ham radio
025 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] e-mail trouble + more info on Sydney hailstorm!
026 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
027 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] November - December storm chase
028 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] MSC report update
029 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
030 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Just when you think high pressure systems cannot get any wor
031 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] More severe weather for eastern NSW?
032 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Woolbrook was -Katoomba Site: was "Brisbane Totals + Brisban
033 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] e-mail trouble + more info on Sydney hailstorm!
034 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Web site
035 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] MSC report update
036 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
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From: "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Web site
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:42:56 +1000
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Hi everyone,
I've just added a few more photos to my site. They're not particularly new
(taken between about one to two years ago), but I just got around to
scanning them.
http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
Cheers,
Marty.
Brisbane, Australia
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Images of Canberra: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp
Lightning Photos: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
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From: Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Web site
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Superb, Marty!
At 00:42 19/04/99 , you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I've just added a few more photos to my site. They're not particularly new
>(taken between about one to two years ago), but I just got around to
>scanning them.
>
>http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
>
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From: "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: More severe weather for eastern NSW?
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:46:10 PDT
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Hi everyone,
I wonder if there is more to come in the way of severe weather for
NSW. I had a look at yesterday's Williamtown stability trace which
seems to indicate moderate instability. Perhaps ahead of the next
front we'll get some more severe weather....
- Paul G.
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:59:09 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: More severe weather for eastern NSW?
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Hey Paul & everyone.
Yesterday around Taree / PMQ areas there was decent instability (but I
reckon a high cape figure) - including 2 or 3 CB that formed NE of here -
nice lightning out to sea last night. Im hoping for some decent weather as
it has been too long between drinks eehhhh storms I mean.
Looking forward to next ASWA meeting in Sydney.
I am hoping to come on the end of year chase - need some definite dates so
I can get some holidays.
regards, Paul at Port.
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:34:33 +1000
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Likewise in my case. Wife has just had sprog#2, so family commitments will
no doubt impact my activities. However, I intend to take part at least on
a daily basis depending upon conditions, which should be possible being
based in Brisbane, although Moree is a fair hike. (Is not Moree rather too
far inland, and limited in terms of road network? I would have thought
that closer to the coast/dividing range (i.e., East of New England hwy) may
be more profitable in terms of both storm frequency & results..., plus if
there is no activity there are always the N.P.'s or Surf).
John W.
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From: Michael Thompson [SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 19 April 1999 11:14
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
I should be able to make 2 of weeks, but my wife is expecting our first
baby
in September so I cannot push my luck too far.
Michael
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From: Jane ONeill [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Date: Sunday, 18 April 1999 8:23
Subject: RE: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>Ok - so the tally is now ...........
>
>Victoria - 6 chasers confirmed
>NSW - 3 chasers confirmed
>QLD - 3 chasers confirmed
>UK - 2 chasers confirmed
>
>Total (with 6 months to go) - 13!!!
>
>Roll on November!!!!!!!
>
>Jane
>Bayswater, Melbourne
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Les Crossan
>>Sent: Sunday, 18 April 1999 12:37
>>To: aus-wx
>>Subject: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>>
>>
>>dear all -
>>
>>Les has just bought two tickets to Sydney arriving there in the last
>>week in November to chase with you guys for two weeks.
>>
>>Just have to sort out a visa now...
>>
>>Chris Maunder's lightning pix did it for us - the pileus are just
>>awesome not to mention the rock hard updraft!
>>
>>Any recommendations re accomodation in NSW and hiring a ute???
>>
>>See you all there - Les / Christine.
>>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
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I too am extremely interested in the chase since it will most likely
be my first, but will only be able to attend also from a day to day
basis. Three weeks before the proposed start of chase I will have
just got back from a 3 month trip overseas to Europe, UK and
Ireland. So another holiday is out of the question. A question for
Les and whoever else can help - I am driving around UK and Ireland
for three weeks in October, what type of weather can I expect ( 10 -
20 degrees celsius is my guess)and even though I realise it would me
mid Autumn by then, any chance of "severe" weather? :)
Feel free to email me directly
JO aka JOJOBA
>From: John Woodbridge
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>To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'"
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:34:33 +1000
>
>Likewise in my case. Wife has just had sprog#2, so family
commitments will
>no doubt impact my activities. However, I intend to take part at
least on
>a daily basis depending upon conditions, which should be possible
being
>based in Brisbane, although Moree is a fair hike. (Is not Moree
rather too
>far inland, and limited in terms of road network? I would have
thought
>that closer to the coast/dividing range (i.e., East of New England
hwy) may
>be more profitable in terms of both storm frequency & results...,
plus if
>there is no activity there are always the N.P.'s or Surf).
>
>John W.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Thompson [SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
>Sent: Monday, 19 April 1999 11:14
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>
>I should be able to make 2 of weeks, but my wife is expecting our
first
>baby
>in September so I cannot push my luck too far.
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jane ONeill
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Sunday, 18 April 1999 8:23
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>
>
>>Ok - so the tally is now ...........
>>
>>Victoria - 6 chasers confirmed
>>NSW - 3 chasers confirmed
>>QLD - 3 chasers confirmed
>>UK - 2 chasers confirmed
>>
>>Total (with 6 months to go) - 13!!!
>>
>>Roll on November!!!!!!!
>>
>>Jane
>>Bayswater, Melbourne
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>>>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Les
Crossan
>>>Sent: Sunday, 18 April 1999 12:37
>>>To: aus-wx
>>>Subject: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>>>
>>>
>>>dear all -
>>>
>>>Les has just bought two tickets to Sydney arriving there in the
last
>>>week in November to chase with you guys for two weeks.
>>>
>>>Just have to sort out a visa now...
>>>
>>>Chris Maunder's lightning pix did it for us - the pileus are just
>>>awesome not to mention the rock hard updraft!
>>>
>>>Any recommendations re accomodation in NSW and hiring a ute???
>>>
>>>See you all there - Les / Christine.
>>>
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I agree John. And as a bonus, for some of the chase, We could use my place
as a base (I have a few spare rooms that people could bunk down in - thus
saving accom costs??)
Ps I have 4 spare rooms which a few spare beds etc could be used and if
some Sydney people brought travel beds?? All we would look at then is
food.....a much cheaper way?
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
There was actually some decent instability around SE QLD yesterday as
well.. there was some great looking congestus around during the morning,
but it had that "coastal maritime" look to it.. the afternoon made way for
some harder and healthier stuff - in the early afternoon i photographed a
Tcu that had a top not unlike the Orange Storm (the edges of the Tcu were
folded over if you know what i mean) - and there was actually some isolated
thunderstorms inland during the late afternoon.. unfortunately they stayed
inland, with only the odd shower making it to the coast..
Some healthy Cu having a go at the cap at the moment (12pm), i doubt if
we'll see anything today though..
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:09:42 +1000 (EST)
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>
> I too am extremely interested in the chase since it will most likely
> be my first, but will only be able to attend also from a day to day
> basis. Three weeks before the proposed start of chase I will have
> just got back from a 3 month trip overseas to Europe, UK and
> Ireland. So another holiday is out of the question. A question for
> Les and whoever else can help - I am driving around UK and Ireland
> for three weeks in October, what type of weather can I expect ( 10 -
> 20 degrees celsius is my guess)and even though I realise it would me
> mid Autumn by then, any chance of "severe" weather? :)
> Feel free to email me directly
>
It may not be a great time of year for thunderstorms, but by October
there can be some very impressive mid-latitude depressions; 1987 is
the most famous, but I was in the middle of one in October 1989 in
western Ireland with gusts up around the 170 km/h mark - quite an
experience! (I attempted to go for a run in the middle of it, but
was literally unable to move into the wind).
Anywhere on the western coast has potential for these.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:40:35 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: My Travel Report - March / April 1999
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Hi Aussie-weather people! I've been very quiet for over a
month now. Good reason - travelling. I've scanned over 1200
messages and will avoid opening old wounds:-)
My young family and I travelled to Adelaide, Kangaroo Island
(KI), Goolwa, The Grampians, Ballarat, Mornington Peninsula
and Melbourne stopping a few days in each place over one
month. 6480km in all with 3 kids. It all went extremely
well with the weather being extremely kind to us.
I took a punt thinking that some really cold weather would
roll in from Fri 19 March. True enough, Adelaide got a wee
bit chilly and some decent rain overnight that was really
needed. With 16C in the city, I was recording 7/9C up in
the hills. That's one hell of a lapse. I knew that this
would deliver some unseasonal cold weather for NSW/VIC.
Taking a punt on what TC-Vance would do, we packed some
more winter woolies for KI. Talk about wierd weather!
Drove through 10/11C temps with rain on morning of 24
March. Arrived at Cape du Couedic to a strong W gale enough
to blow you over (~90kph). Temp now 16C. After lunch, temp
rose to 27C while a dust storm moved in cutting visability
to less than 1km. By 1700, temp fell to 17C and the dust
was blown away to be replaced by a W/SW wind. A day later,
the swell from TC-Vance moved in. I've got video of 10m+
waves! This swell lasted several days. Also, much fog all
day at Cape Borda on Thu 25 March is worthy of note.
I had a very interesting discussion with the observer at
Cape Willoughby. He's taken several waterspout pictures
from this magnificent location and backs up the AWS obs
with manual obs. Good to see manual obs continuing since
AWS's sometimes give weird readings. Cape Willoughby has
several "minus" temp records that are wrong plus minor
(<0.2mm) and intense precipitation events that are often
recorded by this AWS with errors. People are also better
at cloud obs:-( Needless to say both automatic and manual
obs have their place. I just hope that BoM budget cuts
don't lead to less manual obs since this could lead to
accuracy problems with the long term archive.
The rest of the trip was boring from an extreme weather
point of view with the only event worthy of mention being
the autumn season's first decent frost when we stayed at
Hall's Gap in The Grampians on Tue 6 April.
Finally, I was shocked by reports of the Sydney SC that
produced large hail. When damage reports came in and the
media ramped up for a serve at the BoM I knew that aussie
weather would provide interesting reading. I was not
dissappointed. I imagined those unlucky Sydney BoM people
gazing at the radar while muttering that immortal word
"s...!". There was bugger-all else that BoM could have
done since the extreme weather warning mechanisms through
the media and other means are inadequate for such events.
That, at least, has been clearly demonstrated. On a more
personal side, one associate I know had their car written
off by hail that split the steel on their roof. Dents are
the size of a small dinner plate! Another person who
supplied a Rolls Royce for a wedding on Saturday, had
damage done to the "Roller" when hail smashed through a
poly-prop and cement fibre roof sheeting. No scratches,
as the car was protected by a car cover but there are
noticable dents.
It was truely a wonder that no one was killed by this
hail. At least, that's as far as the info that I have
goes since I have not seen any news papers or listened
and/or watched much radio/TV in the last month. Holidays
are great for that reason alone:-) Any future ASWA role
in this sort of thing will undoubtedly be a top item in
future meetings. I can imagine that insurance companies
might have an interest in what we do and how we effectively
report about extreme events and/or mobilise.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Webcam
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:43:12 +1000
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If you haven't found this one yet.....they keep moving it - absolutely
stunning for an unbroken view of Melbourne from the east around to the
north.
http://www.omni-cam.com/Default.htm
approximately 270 degree view of Melbourne from 101 Collins Street
Jane
Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Sister's Questionaire
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:26:33 +1000
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Hi Everyone,
I know that this is not weather related but my sister who is in Year 12
wants everyone on this list to fill out the following questionaire which can
be found at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Station/4212/questionaire.htm
Thanks for your cooperation
Matthew and Karita
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From: Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sister's Questionaire
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There was an Admin letter a week or so ago asking mail list
subscribers to keep mails to this group weather related.
Please honour this request in future.
Chris
At 13:26 19/04/99 , you wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I know that this is not weather related but my sister who is in Year 12
>wants everyone on this list to fill out the following questionaire which can
>be found at
>
>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Station/4212/questionaire.htm
>
>Thanks for your cooperation
>
>Matthew and Karita
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:19:50 +1000
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Blair & others interested,
The Katoomba site is on Cliff drive about 200m from the
highest point in the Katoomba area where the water tanks
and aviation nav comms are located. It was moved at least
twice (I think). Sited in the original location in
the business area. Next move to the front yard of one
private residence in Cliff Drive 1.5km from the business
area but at a similar altitude, to the front yard of another
private residence almost directly opposite. To the west is
a 250m escarpment possibly 400m away. To the east lies a
valley where Catalina racing circuit and the Olympic pool
lie then another ridge on which the business area is
situated. Further east lies another ridge where the Leura
business area is located. The main E-W ridge forms the
backbone of the Blue Mountains where the main western rail
line and Great Western Highway are situated.
I'd say that Katoomba has a rating of 5 simply because
the site has been moved a number of times.
As for "that obs" of -8.2C, I was fortunate enough to be
recording temps in Sherman Ave that same day and made a
note in my diary to the effect "lowest temp yet recorded of
-6.5C". Now my crude max/min thermometer didn't make that
much of an error as it was only -1.5C at 8:00am. There was
no other way for that indicator to get pushed that far up
the min side unless the temp was very low. I can only
say that whenever that event occurred during the night,
it must have lasted only a few hours at most. Needless
to say, I was not that surprised when Katoomba recorded
the lowest state temperature that day.
Now as for reasons, I can only speculate. The official
site is up on the ridge away from the cold frost hollow
of the Catalina area. My location in Sherman Ave was
also up the hill a bit at the lower end of this valley.
Now I've travelled through this area in my car (Holden
Berlina). It is equipped with an outside temperature
sensor that is OK within a degree or so provided one is
moving. On a calm winters day in Aug 1998, I motored
toward the Olympic pool from the business area. One
actually travels from the east ridge, down into the
Catalina valley, then up to the west ridge very close
to where the Katoomba met obs station is located. Temp
on that Aug 1998 day went from +3C on the east ridge
to -3C in the valley rising to +2C on the western ridge.
Now when the wind blows, this frost hollow breaks up.
I could speculate that given particular conditions, this
valley forms a severe frost hollow. If a light E/SE
breeze were to blow hard enough, eddies of the cold
frost hollow air might just make it to the Katoomba
met obs site. This might have caused such an event
when -8.2C was recorded.
Same sort of effect in our Snowy Mountains often gives
something like -4C at Smiggins Holes, -7C at Perisher
Valley, -10C at Charlottes Pass and -1C at the top of
Mt. Perisher! Only in calm conditions though.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
Lindsay wrote:
>
> Fascinating Blair,
>
> In Blackheath we can have vastly different temp readings compared to the
> ones they give for Katoomba and I have wondered why. We are only about
> 12 k's from Katoomba and admittedly a touch higher and on a narrow ridge
> but the difference in readings at times is ridiculous. The max and min
> temps for Katoomba compared to Blackheath can be degrees different. I've
> had days where Katoombas max (like yesterday , wednesday) was given as
> 21 and I got 17 here at Blackheath.
>
> Lindsay
>
> Blair Trewin wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Interesting Anthony,
> > >
> > > I have relly's in brisbane and they have had colder temps than the
> > > Brisban airport readings.
> > >
> > > Curiously, whilst my town is around 1100 metres altitude and almost
> > > always has winter days of 2 to -2 we don't often get colder than that.
> > > Colder air sinks into the valleys I guess. i think the air record low is
> > > around -9 in Katoomba so maybe -10 here. Still, we can have days where
> > > it hovers around Zero all day, not to mention that lovely white stuff
> > > that falls now nd then.
> > The -8.2 at Katoomba is a highly suspect observation; a more probable
> > record low is -5.6. (On the day when Katoomba supposedly reached -8.2
> > no other station in the region was much below 0). Katoomba is a warm
> > site (relatively speaking) for minimum temperature, probably because
> > of its position on top of the range. (While I'm not familiar with
> > the actual site, I'm also aware that Simon Torok, when he was doing
> > his study of the quality of long-term Australian temperature records,
> > gave Katoomba a rating of 5, the worst possible; I'm not sure why).
> >
> > Blair Trewin
> >
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Isnt it?
Hope you had a great trip Michael. Will be interested to see your video
footage of those 10 m plus waves!!
Paul at Port.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sister's Questionaire - cmon!
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Ohh cmon Chris........be a little flexible hey. Its not like Matthew is a
flagrant breacher of the "rules" now is he?
PS So I keep this weather related.....nice and sunny here with temp about
24c and clear blue skys with decent Tc & Cb off the coast.
Chris Maunder on 19/04/99 15:05:31
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There was an Admin letter a week or so ago asking mail list
subscribers to keep mails to this group weather related.
Please honour this request in future.
Chris
At 13:26 19/04/99 , you wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I know that this is not weather related but my sister who is in Year 12
>wants everyone on this list to fill out the following questionaire which
can
>be found at
>
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>
>Thanks for your cooperation
>
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Katoomba Site: was "Brisbane Totals + Brisbane Froze O'night"
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>
> Blair & others interested,
> As for "that obs" of -8.2C, I was fortunate enough to be
> recording temps in Sherman Ave that same day and made a
> note in my diary to the effect "lowest temp yet recorded of
> -6.5C". Now my crude max/min thermometer didn't make that
> much of an error as it was only -1.5C at 8:00am. There was
> no other way for that indicator to get pushed that far up
> the min side unless the temp was very low. I can only
> say that whenever that event occurred during the night,
> it must have lasted only a few hours at most. Needless
> to say, I was not that surprised when Katoomba recorded
> the lowest state temperature that day.
Are you referring to 1 June 1977?
I've checked this a bit further. The other stations in district 63
(Central Tablelands) were mostly in the 0 to -3 range. Lithgow was
-1.0. (Lowest was Oberon at -3.0) , and Mount Victoria was -2.5.
If your -6.5 was on 1/6/77 I'd be very interested to know about it (and
how your site compared with the main Katoomba site over a longer
period of time).
> Now as for reasons, I can only speculate. The official
> site is up on the ridge away from the cold frost hollow
> of the Catalina area. My location in Sherman Ave was
> also up the hill a bit at the lower end of this valley.
> Now I've travelled through this area in my car (Holden
> Berlina). It is equipped with an outside temperature
> sensor that is OK within a degree or so provided one is
> moving. On a calm winters day in Aug 1998, I motored
> toward the Olympic pool from the business area. One
> actually travels from the east ridge, down into the
> Catalina valley, then up to the west ridge very close
> to where the Katoomba met obs station is located. Temp
> on that Aug 1998 day went from +3C on the east ridge
> to -3C in the valley rising to +2C on the western ridge.
> Now when the wind blows, this frost hollow breaks up.
> I could speculate that given particular conditions, this
> valley forms a severe frost hollow. If a light E/SE
> breeze were to blow hard enough, eddies of the cold
> frost hollow air might just make it to the Katoomba
> met obs site. This might have caused such an event
> when -8.2C was recorded.
Agreed, but 1/6/1977 was a classic cold outbreak situation with a
strong W/SW airstream. Katoomba was reporting 14 knots at 0900; well
and truly enough to kill a frost hollow normally. (Many stations
recorded their lowest May max temps on record on 31/5, and there was
widespread snow).
> Same sort of effect in our Snowy Mountains often gives
> something like -4C at Smiggins Holes, -7C at Perisher
> Valley, -10C at Charlottes Pass and -1C at the top of
> Mt. Perisher! Only in calm conditions though.
Yes, only in calm conditions. I've posted previously on the Inverell
frost hollow. Woolbrook (S of Armidale) is another good one if the
conditions are right.
Blair Trewin
> Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >
> > Fascinating Blair,
> >
> > In Blackheath we can have vastly different temp readings compared to the
> > ones they give for Katoomba and I have wondered why. We are only about
> > 12 k's from Katoomba and admittedly a touch higher and on a narrow ridge
> > but the difference in readings at times is ridiculous. The max and min
> > temps for Katoomba compared to Blackheath can be degrees different. I've
> > had days where Katoombas max (like yesterday , wednesday) was given as
> > 21 and I got 17 here at Blackheath.
> >
> > Lindsay
> >
> > Blair Trewin wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Interesting Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > I have relly's in brisbane and they have had colder temps than the
> > > > Brisban airport readings.
> > > >
> > > > Curiously, whilst my town is around 1100 metres altitude and almost
> > > > always has winter days of 2 to -2 we don't often get colder than that.
> > > > Colder air sinks into the valleys I guess. i think the air record low is
> > > > around -9 in Katoomba so maybe -10 here. Still, we can have days where
> > > > it hovers around Zero all day, not to mention that lovely white stuff
> > > > that falls now nd then.
> > > The -8.2 at Katoomba is a highly suspect observation; a more probable
> > > record low is -5.6. (On the day when Katoomba supposedly reached -8.2
> > > no other station in the region was much below 0). Katoomba is a warm
> > > site (relatively speaking) for minimum temperature, probably because
> > > of its position on top of the range. (While I'm not familiar with
> > > the actual site, I'm also aware that Simon Torok, when he was doing
> > > his study of the quality of long-term Australian temperature records,
> > > gave Katoomba a rating of 5, the worst possible; I'm not sure why).
> > >
> > > Blair Trewin
> > >
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Hey Joanne..
Just for interests sake, this URL has some links to UK and Europe weather
conditions, forecasts and maps. Also some great courses there, these are
actuall courses used at the University:
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/physics/meteo/
In case you miss it, there are more links under the "more links" section
down the bottom of the page:
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/physics/meteo/links.html
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From: "Nick Sykes" [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:26:04 +1000
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Hi all
Well after an erternity of boring werather in Melbourne it looks like we
could finally get some weather of interest. The front expected to cross
tomowrow looks like showing a bit more grunt than what was first expected.
Thw BOM is now forecasting local hail to develop in South West Vic on Tues
afternoon and the rest of southern areas on Weds Morning.
The latest Sat Pics have a nice looking pool of cold air to the south of
Australia, but it will have to move a fair bit north for Vic to get the
best of it.
But those lucky enough to live in Tassie can expect snow down to 400m
tomowrow and Weds.
Will keep the group up to date.
Nick Sykes
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:34:48 +1000
From: Tim Grugeon [timg at iniaccess.net.au]
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Barrington Tops experiences similar conditions. Unfortunately there are no weather
stations on the Barrington Tops. However, you can see how much temperatures vary
by the different sorts of vegetation. On the plateau areas, it is open alpine like
country, riddled with frost hollows, while the slopes are made up of thick forests
land varying with altitude.
During a June long weekend (you may think I was mad), I camped up on the tops. At
six o�clock in the morning, using a mercury thermometer I measured a temperature
of �9�C. Later on when the temperature there was still �4�C, I drove down the road
only by a couple of kilometers and found the temperature to be +1�C.
Tim Grugeon
Morpeth (Maitland), NSW
Michael Scollay wrote:
> Blair & others interested,
>
> The Katoomba site is on Cliff drive about 200m from the
> highest point in the Katoomba area where the water tanks
> and aviation nav comms are located. It was moved at least
> twice (I think). Sited in the original location in
> the business area. Next move to the front yard of one
> private residence in Cliff Drive 1.5km from the business
> area but at a similar altitude, to the front yard of another
> private residence almost directly opposite. To the west is
> a 250m escarpment possibly 400m away. To the east lies a
> valley where Catalina racing circuit and the Olympic pool
> lie then another ridge on which the business area is
> situated. Further east lies another ridge where the Leura
> business area is located. The main E-W ridge forms the
> backbone of the Blue Mountains where the main western rail
> line and Great Western Highway are situated.
>
> I'd say that Katoomba has a rating of 5 simply because
> the site has been moved a number of times.
>
> As for "that obs" of -8.2C, I was fortunate enough to be
> recording temps in Sherman Ave that same day and made a
> note in my diary to the effect "lowest temp yet recorded of
> -6.5C". Now my crude max/min thermometer didn't make that
> much of an error as it was only -1.5C at 8:00am. There was
> no other way for that indicator to get pushed that far up
> the min side unless the temp was very low. I can only
> say that whenever that event occurred during the night,
> it must have lasted only a few hours at most. Needless
> to say, I was not that surprised when Katoomba recorded
> the lowest state temperature that day.
>
> Now as for reasons, I can only speculate. The official
> site is up on the ridge away from the cold frost hollow
> of the Catalina area. My location in Sherman Ave was
> also up the hill a bit at the lower end of this valley.
> Now I've travelled through this area in my car (Holden
> Berlina). It is equipped with an outside temperature
> sensor that is OK within a degree or so provided one is
> moving. On a calm winters day in Aug 1998, I motored
> toward the Olympic pool from the business area. One
> actually travels from the east ridge, down into the
> Catalina valley, then up to the west ridge very close
> to where the Katoomba met obs station is located. Temp
> on that Aug 1998 day went from +3C on the east ridge
> to -3C in the valley rising to +2C on the western ridge.
> Now when the wind blows, this frost hollow breaks up.
> I could speculate that given particular conditions, this
> valley forms a severe frost hollow. If a light E/SE
> breeze were to blow hard enough, eddies of the cold
> frost hollow air might just make it to the Katoomba
> met obs site. This might have caused such an event
> when -8.2C was recorded.
>
> Same sort of effect in our Snowy Mountains often gives
> something like -4C at Smiggins Holes, -7C at Perisher
> Valley, -10C at Charlottes Pass and -1C at the top of
> Mt. Perisher! Only in calm conditions though.
>
> Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >
> > Fascinating Blair,
> >
> > In Blackheath we can have vastly different temp readings compared to the
> > ones they give for Katoomba and I have wondered why. We are only about
> > 12 k's from Katoomba and admittedly a touch higher and on a narrow ridge
> > but the difference in readings at times is ridiculous. The max and min
> > temps for Katoomba compared to Blackheath can be degrees different. I've
> > had days where Katoombas max (like yesterday , wednesday) was given as
> > 21 and I got 17 here at Blackheath.
> >
> > Lindsay
> >
> > Blair Trewin wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Interesting Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > I have relly's in brisbane and they have had colder temps than the
> > > > Brisban airport readings.
> > > >
> > > > Curiously, whilst my town is around 1100 metres altitude and almost
> > > > always has winter days of 2 to -2 we don't often get colder than that.
> > > > Colder air sinks into the valleys I guess. i think the air record low is
> > > > around -9 in Katoomba so maybe -10 here. Still, we can have days where
> > > > it hovers around Zero all day, not to mention that lovely white stuff
> > > > that falls now nd then.
> > > The -8.2 at Katoomba is a highly suspect observation; a more probable
> > > record low is -5.6. (On the day when Katoomba supposedly reached -8.2
> > > no other station in the region was much below 0). Katoomba is a warm
> > > site (relatively speaking) for minimum temperature, probably because
> > > of its position on top of the range. (While I'm not familiar with
> > > the actual site, I'm also aware that Simon Torok, when he was doing
> > > his study of the quality of long-term Australian temperature records,
> > > gave Katoomba a rating of 5, the worst possible; I'm not sure why).
> > >
> > > Blair Trewin
> > >
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:40:05 +1000
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Blair Trewin wrote:
>
> >
> > Blair & others interested,
> > As for "that obs" of -8.2C, I was fortunate enough to be
> > recording temps in Sherman Ave that same day and made a
> > note in my diary to the effect "lowest temp yet recorded of
> > -6.5C". Now my crude max/min thermometer didn't make that
> > much of an error as it was only -1.5C at 8:00am. There was
> > no other way for that indicator to get pushed that far up
> > the min side unless the temp was very low. I can only
> > say that whenever that event occurred during the night,
> > it must have lasted only a few hours at most. Needless
> > to say, I was not that surprised when Katoomba recorded
> > the lowest state temperature that day.
> Are you referring to 1 June 1977?
Yes. Media also reported a cold start to that winter. "Official"
first day of winter is 1 June, I think. I also kept the maps of
this particular cold snap which I've just told my father to dig
out of my roof storage in Katoomba (one never moves completely
"out" when leaving home).
> I've checked this a bit further. The other stations in district 63
> (Central Tablelands) were mostly in the 0 to -3 range. Lithgow was
> -1.0. (Lowest was Oberon at -3.0) , and Mount Victoria was -2.5.
> If your -6.5 was on 1/6/77 I'd be very interested to know about it
> (and how your site compared with the main Katoomba site over a
> longer period of time).
I was a High School student in those days and only wrote up the
more notable events. I reset my thermometer each day but only wrote
about the more extreme events, keeping the maps from the newspaper.
Later that year, we moved into a new house near Echo point where I
set up some sort of Stevenson screen in the backyard. Sherman Ave
was a rented property, hence by no means a "stable" site. It would
be less than 1km from the official Katoomba met obs site as the
crow flies and about 40m lower in altitude at the end of this
"Catalina frost hollow".
> > Now as for reasons, I can only speculate. The official
> > site is up on the ridge away from the cold frost hollow
> > of the Catalina area. My location in Sherman Ave was
> > also up the hill a bit at the lower end of this valley.
> > Now I've travelled through this area in my car (Holden
> > Berlina). It is equipped with an outside temperature
> > sensor that is OK within a degree or so provided one is
> > moving. On a calm winters day in Aug 1998, I motored
> > toward the Olympic pool from the business area. One
> > actually travels from the east ridge, down into the
> > Catalina valley, then up to the west ridge very close
> > to where the Katoomba met obs station is located. Temp
> > on that Aug 1998 day went from +3C on the east ridge
> > to -3C in the valley rising to +2C on the western ridge.
> > Now when the wind blows, this frost hollow breaks up.
> > I could speculate that given particular conditions, this
> > valley forms a severe frost hollow. If a light E/SE
> > breeze were to blow hard enough, eddies of the cold
> > frost hollow air might just make it to the Katoomba
> > met obs site. This might have caused such an event
> > when -8.2C was recorded.
>
> Agreed, but 1/6/1977 was a classic cold outbreak situation with a
> strong W/SW airstream. Katoomba was reporting 14 knots at 0900; well
> and truly enough to kill a frost hollow normally. (Many stations
> recorded their lowest May max temps on record on 31/5, and there was
> widespread snow).
I can now recall the basic weather at that time and I remain
at a loss to explain why such an isolated area should receive
such extreme cold. All I can confirm is that the recording is
plausible from what I recorded at the time. Pity that I didn't
keep more meticulous data.
> > Same sort of effect in our Snowy Mountains often gives
> > something like -4C at Smiggins Holes, -7C at Perisher
> > Valley, -10C at Charlottes Pass and -1C at the top of
> > Mt. Perisher! Only in calm conditions though.
>
> Yes, only in calm conditions. I've posted previously on the Inverell
> frost hollow. Woolbrook (S of Armidale) is another good one if the
> conditions are right.
>
> Blair Trewin
Thanks Blair.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
> >
> > Lindsay wrote:
> > >
> > > Fascinating Blair,
> > >
> > > In Blackheath we can have vastly different temp readings compared to the
> > > ones they give for Katoomba and I have wondered why. We are only about
> > > 12 k's from Katoomba and admittedly a touch higher and on a narrow ridge
> > > but the difference in readings at times is ridiculous. The max and min
> > > temps for Katoomba compared to Blackheath can be degrees different. I've
> > > had days where Katoombas max (like yesterday , wednesday) was given as
> > > 21 and I got 17 here at Blackheath.
> > >
> > > Lindsay
> > >
> > > Blair Trewin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting Anthony,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have relly's in brisbane and they have had colder temps than the
> > > > > Brisban airport readings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Curiously, whilst my town is around 1100 metres altitude and almost
> > > > > always has winter days of 2 to -2 we don't often get colder than that.
> > > > > Colder air sinks into the valleys I guess. i think the air record low is
> > > > > around -9 in Katoomba so maybe -10 here. Still, we can have days where
> > > > > it hovers around Zero all day, not to mention that lovely white stuff
> > > > > that falls now nd then.
> > > > The -8.2 at Katoomba is a highly suspect observation; a more probable
> > > > record low is -5.6. (On the day when Katoomba supposedly reached -8.2
> > > > no other station in the region was much below 0). Katoomba is a warm
> > > > site (relatively speaking) for minimum temperature, probably because
> > > > of its position on top of the range. (While I'm not familiar with
> > > > the actual site, I'm also aware that Simon Torok, when he was doing
> > > > his study of the quality of long-term Australian temperature records,
> > > > gave Katoomba a rating of 5, the worst possible; I'm not sure why).
> > > >
> > > > Blair Trewin
> > > >
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:48:04 +1000
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This system looks almost as nice as the one that hit New Zealand recently. If
the LAPS models are right, there will be snow on the Snowy Mountains in Victoria
and NSW. It is also possible that there could be sleet or snow across the
central tablelands in NSW.
Tim Grugeon
Morpeth (Maitland), NSW
Nick Sykes wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Well after an erternity of boring werather in Melbourne it looks like we
> could finally get some weather of interest. The front expected to cross
> tomowrow looks like showing a bit more grunt than what was first expected.
> Thw BOM is now forecasting local hail to develop in South West Vic on Tues
> afternoon and the rest of southern areas on Weds Morning.
>
> The latest Sat Pics have a nice looking pool of cold air to the south of
> Australia, but it will have to move a fair bit north for Vic to get the
> best of it.
>
> But those lucky enough to live in Tassie can expect snow down to 400m
> tomowrow and Weds.
>
> Will keep the group up to date.
>
> Nick Sykes
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
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>
> This system looks almost as nice as the one that hit New Zealand recently. If
> the LAPS models are right, there will be snow on the Snowy Mountains in Victoria
> and NSW. It is also possible that there could be sleet or snow across the
> central tablelands in NSW.
>
> Tim Grugeon
> Morpeth (Maitland), NSW
>
> Nick Sykes wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Well after an erternity of boring werather in Melbourne it looks like we
> > could finally get some weather of interest. The front expected to cross
> > tomowrow looks like showing a bit more grunt than what was first expected.
> > Thw BOM is now forecasting local hail to develop in South West Vic on Tues
> > afternoon and the rest of southern areas on Weds Morning.
> >
> > The latest Sat Pics have a nice looking pool of cold air to the south of
> > Australia, but it will have to move a fair bit north for Vic to get the
> > best of it.
> >
> > But those lucky enough to live in Tassie can expect snow down to 400m
> > tomowrow and Weds.
> >
> > Will keep the group up to date.
> >
> > Nick Sykes
This is looking quite nice for this time of year. 1000-500 hPa thicknesses
are progged to reach about 5360m in Melbourne and 5260m in southern
Tasmania on Wednesday morning. It doesn't look like the cold air
will push far enough north for any serious action in central NSW.
(Roughly speaking, anything below 5260m opens the possibility of snow
to sea level - although one needs sub-5200 for it to become probable.
At 5360m you'd expect snow down to 1000-1200 metres).
I think the Tasmanian forecast, if anything, is a little conservative;
I wouldn't expect snow to settle below 400m (especially with relatively
warm ground temps), but the snow level could well drop below that in
the heavier showers.
Is there anyone on the list from Tassie? (especially at some sort of
elevation).
A perennial gripe of mine - it's quite difficult for us to know what
the snow level actually is in Victoria, as there is no site with
manual obs in Victoria above 450m except for Omeo, which is quite a
bit further east. More than once I've been reduced to ringing
assorted friends at various elevations in Macedon and the Dandenongs...
This outbreak could also bring some fairly significant frost in its
wake if things settle down quickly enough.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: RE: Nov. - Dec. storm chase + ham radio
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Hi everyone
> (Is not Moree rather too
> far inland, and limited in terms of road network? I
> would have thought
> that closer to the coast/dividing range (i.e., East
> of New England hwy) may
> be more profitable in terms of both storm frequency
> & results...,
Looking at historical storm data John, I reckon the area west of the
great divide in NSW - from Armidale and out onto the NSW NW
slopes/plains are a far better bet, for really big storms, than the
areas east of the divide. Troughs linger over the inland areas for
longer which I guess provides more of an opportunity for all the other
factors to come together as well - the tornado data suggests that this
area cops many more tonadoes than the more eastern areas, granted there
is plenty of room for error with the Australian stats. On either side
the roads aren't ideal, but visibility would be better out west.
Just confirming, whoever is counting heads, that myself and also Darren
Heys (Sydney based ASWA member) are certain starters for the chase.
With the formation of ASWA and chasers from the different states/UK
congregating this will be an event not to miss.
Also, I'm hoping that among all the chasers going we can get enough
into amatuer radio which would be ideal on this sort of trip - only
need one licencee/unit per car. On a particular morning a 'high risk'
convective outlook might cover a large area of the northern
tablelands:) Some chasers may opt to follow their noses and go in
different directions so keeping contact will be essential to monitor
storm development as well as to keep tabs on everyone. I have told Paul
G that I would get a unit for the car (if others do to make it
worthwhile for storm chasing). We only need a few more and we should be
in business. Contact Paul,who is our resident expert, on amatuer radio
if your interested.
Cheers
David
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Subject: aus-wx: e-mail trouble + more info on Sydney hailstorm!
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Yet again (this has happened about 5 times now) mail I have sent to
this mailing list has not been received. I have no idea why. I am
not sure whether it is to do with using this free hotmail account but
one thing is that I sent some e-mail about 3 months ago from my
Macquarie Uni account and it never was distributed on this mailing
list. Does anyone know what might be happening?
Anyway, there wasn't really much in this last message but I thought it
might be interesting for people on this list. Take a look at the two
latest reports on the ABC's weather site about the Sydney hail storm:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/weather/weath-19apr1999-4.htm
and
http://www.abc.net.au/news/weather/weath-19apr1999-5.htm
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:54:28 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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And NZ is in for another blast as well from it..
Nick Sykes wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Well after an erternity of boring werather in Melbourne it looks like we
> could finally get some weather of interest. The front expected to cross
> tomowrow looks like showing a bit more grunt than what was first expected.
> Thw BOM is now forecasting local hail to develop in South West Vic on Tues
> afternoon and the rest of southern areas on Weds Morning.
>
> The latest Sat Pics have a nice looking pool of cold air to the south of
> Australia, but it will have to move a fair bit north for Vic to get the
> best of it.
>
> But those lucky enough to live in Tassie can expect snow down to 400m
> tomowrow and Weds.
>
> Will keep the group up to date.
>
> Nick Sykes
>
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Hi Jane et al.,
God, I'd love to chase but....
(a) have crap car
(b) have to teach until end of December
(c) oh yeah...like Michael I'm expecting a new junior storm chaser at
the end of September...
however, my thoughts (envious mostly!) will be with you guys and I
hope that you find an internet cafe or something and keep us all up-
to-date on proceedings...:)
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:14:28 +1000
>
>I should be able to make 2 of weeks, but my wife is expecting our first baby
>in September so I cannot push my luck too far.
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Sunday, 18 April 1999 8:23
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>
>
>>Ok - so the tally is now ...........
>>
>>Victoria - 6 chasers confirmed
>>NSW - 3 chasers confirmed
>>QLD - 3 chasers confirmed
>>UK - 2 chasers confirmed
>>
>>Total (with 6 months to go) - 13!!!
>>
>>Roll on November!!!!!!!
>>
>>Jane
>>Bayswater, Melbourne
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
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>>>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Les Crossan
>>>Sent: Sunday, 18 April 1999 12:37
>>>To: aus-wx
>>>Subject: aus-wx: November - December storm chase
>>>
>>>
>>>dear all -
>>>
>>>Les has just bought two tickets to Sydney arriving there in the last
>>>week in November to chase with you guys for two weeks.
>>>
>>>Just have to sort out a visa now...
>>>
>>>Chris Maunder's lightning pix did it for us - the pileus are just
>>>awesome not to mention the rock hard updraft!
>>>
>>>Any recommendations re accomodation in NSW and hiring a ute???
>>>
>>>See you all there - Les / Christine.
>>>
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: MSC report update
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:37:12 +1000
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Clyve's report on the meso is finally (I think) complete.......
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
and go to the Geelong - Corio report on 2nd March by Clyve Herbert.
Jane ONeill
Bayswater, Melbourne
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Here's hoping! looking back over snow records there are a number of years
where
snow started piling up mid April.
Expecting 0C tonight, and only 14 on Wed. Just giving the Polartek a
pre-season
wash and airing :)
Chris.
At 17:48 19/04/99 , you wrote:
>This system looks almost as nice as the one that hit New Zealand recently. If
>the LAPS models are right, there will be snow on the Snowy Mountains in
Victoria
>and NSW. It is also possible that there could be sleet or snow across the
>central tablelands in NSW.
>
>Tim Grugeon
>Morpeth (Maitland), NSW
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:27:14 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
Has anyone seen 00Z NGP (April 19), if you haven't...it's forecasting a
11032hPa high!!!
http://metoc-u1.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap/grf/ngp/archive/1999041900/ngp10.prp.048.ausnz.gif
That's some mighty pressure gradient Me thinks there's an extra '1'
there!
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: More severe weather for eastern NSW?
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It is funny that you should say that Paul as the AVN model has an almost
identical chart for Tuesday evening as it did for last Wednesday evening.
Mind you I thought nothing about last Wednesday until about 5.30pm.
Michael
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>Hi everyone,
>I wonder if there is more to come in the way of severe weather for
>NSW. I had a look at yesterday's Williamtown stability trace which
>seems to indicate moderate instability. Perhaps ahead of the next
>front we'll get some more severe weather....
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Woolbrook was -Katoomba Site: was "Brisbane Totals + Brisbane Froze O'night"
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I kind of feel that Woolbrook is misplaced as being included under NW slopes
and plains by the BOM, granted that rain that falls in Woolbrook runs west
into the Darling system, but it is really Northern Tablelands in my
reasoning, especially given its 1000m plus altitude.
It is near Walcha.
Michael
>Yes, only in calm conditions. I've posted previously on the Inverell
>frost hollow. Woolbrook (S of Armidale) is another good one if the
>conditions are right.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Thanks Paul, I wonder if that report will ever be made public ? it would be
interesting to read.
Michael
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/weather/weath-19apr1999-5.htm
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Yet again superb shots.
Do you have a well trained photo lab ? I nearly always get overexposed pics,
back in the days I took slides this never happened so I am blaming the
processing.
Michael
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>Hi everyone,
>
>I've just added a few more photos to my site. They're not particularly new
>(taken between about one to two years ago), but I just got around to
>scanning them.
>
>http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marty.
>Brisbane, Australia
>martyp at dynamite.com.au
>Images of Canberra: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp
>Lightning Photos: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: MSC report update
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:32:43 +1000
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Lovely catellanus pics, I like those striated bases.
Michael
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From: Jane ONeill [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Date: Monday, 19 April 1999 21:36
Subject: aus-wx: MSC report update
>Clyve's report on the meso is finally (I think) complete.......
>
>http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
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>and go to the Geelong - Corio report on 2nd March by Clyve Herbert.
>
>Jane ONeill
>Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:22:50 +1000
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Even the US models seemed to have it wrong up until about 24 hours ago. They
have since adjusted to have a strong high pushing up a very cold S stream in
front of it, which is how the BOM are seeing it too.
Michael
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From: Nick Sykes [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Date: Monday, 19 April 1999 17:16
Subject: aus-wx: Possible Cold Outbreak for S.E Aust.
>Hi all
>
>Well after an erternity of boring werather in Melbourne it looks like we
>could finally get some weather of interest. The front expected to cross
>tomowrow looks like showing a bit more grunt than what was first expected.
>Thw BOM is now forecasting local hail to develop in South West Vic on Tues
>afternoon and the rest of southern areas on Weds Morning.
>
>The latest Sat Pics have a nice looking pool of cold air to the south of
>Australia, but it will have to move a fair bit north for Vic to get the
>best of it.
>
>But those lucky enough to live in Tassie can expect snow down to 400m
>tomowrow and Weds.
>
>Will keep the group up to date.
>
>Nick Sykes
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