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001 Michael_Bath at amp.com.au Mudgee Storm 30/1 not a tornado by K.Batt at bom
002 Michael_Bath at amp.com.au Agenda for Sydney ASWA meeting 9/5/99
003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Canberra connection explained
004 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Intense Tasman low forecast for nextweek
005 Rebekah Hoare [rebekah at tnet.com.au] tornadoes
006 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] Canberra connection explained
007 "L.J. & B. Smail" [gws at pipeline.com.au] Intense Tasman low forecast for nextweek
008 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Intense Tasman low forecast for nextweek
009 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Conference in Ballarat - Met' education
010 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] MSC update
011 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Mudgee Storm 30/1 not a tornado by K.Batt at bom
012 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Canberra connection explained
013 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Intense Tasman low forecast for nextweek
014 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Mudgee Storm 30/1 not a tornado by K.Batt at bom
015 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] WA meeting mins
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001
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Subject: aus-wx: Mudgee Storm 30/1 not a tornado by K.Batt at bom
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A message was posted to this discussion group on the 30th March about a
possible tornado that occurred near Mudgee, NSW during the mid afternoon of
Sat 30th January 1999.
A few keen BoM spotters and ASWA members were going to investigate the
damage track, but now there is no need.
Apparently Kenn Batt (a member of this list) from the NSW Bureau of
Meteorology Severe Weather Section investigated this event a couple of
weeks ago, and came to the conclusion that a severe microburst was the
cause.
The lack of communication and feedback from the NSW BoM continues to be a
major dissapointment to this forum, and to members of the Australian Severe
Weather Association. Members actively support the BoM by reporting severe
weather encountered, in both real-time and post event analysis.
Communication between ASWA and BoM must be two way.
Michael Bath
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From: Michael_Bath at amp.com.au
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Subject: aus-wx: Agenda for Sydney ASWA meeting 9/5/99
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Agenda for the Sydney ASWA meeting this Sunday 9th May 1999
- membership applications
- bank account signatories
- future meeting dates, including AGM
- ASWA shirts
- member photos
- website feedback, suggestions for NSW pages
- vantage point database
- AG article
- preparation of educational material
- Sydney BoM
- Sydney Hailstorm discussion, video and photographs
- other videos
- other weather discussion
regards,
Michael Bath
ASWA President
mbath at ozemail.com.au
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:53:53 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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I must say that is pretty amazing. My parter is a teacher, and her
brother lives in Canberra! He's a doctor, um, not a GP but Anthropology.
> > >
Re the intelligence thoughts, I'm not sure how you measure such a thing.
There are many different expressions of intelligence; oral
(grandiloquent sententious etc), aural (good listeners, counsellors
etc), tactile intelligence (sculptors, carpenters, etc). Yet, one of
these types may not appear that intelligent to the other because of bias
etc.
Lindsay Pearce
> > > Maybe we should explain the Canberra connection to Rob - he won't have a
> > clue
> > > what's going on .
> > >
> > > We've found that a significant number of the 110 people on the list either
> > > were born, live, or have lived in the Canberra / Queanbeyan area.
> > >
> > > Um, now we're finding also that a significant number of us were, are, or are
> > > married to teachers - sheesh!!! - anyone like to try the next thread of
> > > commonality among our little group??????
> > >
> > > Jane ONeill
> > > Bayswater, Melbourne
> > > ASWA - Victoria
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Chris Maunder
> > >> <cmaunder at dynamite.com.au>
> > >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >> <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >> Date: Tuesday, 4 May 1999 10:14
> > >> Subject: Re: aus-wx: aus-wx Some more introduction
> > >>
> > >> Tha 'Canberra Connection' strikes again :)
> > >>
> > >> Welcome, Rob!
> > >>
> > >> At 21:54 3/05/99 , you wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for the welcome! A little more about myself for Jimmy. . .
> > >>> schoolteacher with wife, one child (hates storms - although understandable
> > >>> being only 16 months old), originally from Canberra, moved here 3 years
> > ago
> > >>> (for the job, although coastal weather did affect our decision). Still a
> > >>> bit new to computer stuff, so would appreciate some advice on appropriate
> > >>> size for photos etc. By the way, thanks to David Hart for posting my
> > photo
> > >>> at
> > >>>
> > >>> http://worl
> > >>> d.std.com/~dhart/aussie-weather/Storm990304c.jpg
> > >>> By the way, 300.9mm of rain for April in my gauge in Charlestown if anyone
> > >>> is interested (ave. is 118mm)
> > >>>
> > >>> Rob.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------------------------
> > >> Chris Maunder Canberra, Australia
> > >> Administrator CodeGuru -
> >
Subject: aus-wx: Conference in Ballarat - Met' education
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:58:55 +1000
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Hi Rachel
I have forwarded your reply to the Australian Weather mailing list. The
Victorian branch of the AWSA is very active and has really got their act
together, I do not know of any members in Ballarat, but there are several
Melbourne members and one from Geelong, which is not too far away.
I suggest the Victoria guys put it on the agenda for the next Victorian AWSA
metting.
Michael
>
> Michael,
> Thanks for getting back to me about the website photos. If ASWA is
> interested in getting into schools work, someone (or more) might
> like to come to the '5th International conference on school and popular
> meteorological and oceanographic education', otherwise known as EWOC
> (Education: Weather, ocean , climate). It's 5-9th July, in Ballarat and
> Melbourne. All the relevent information is at the conference website
> http://www.shm.monash.edu.au/ewoc99 .
> Rachel Law
>
> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> > No problems at all. The AWSA ( Australia Severe Weather Association )
has
> > been recently formed and one of the things we want to eventually get
into is
> > this sort of thing.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: MSC update
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:36:53 +1000
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Great photos, you really have the scanning mastered.
I also like the inclusion of the Li map and it's little bullseye over
Melbourne.
Michael
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From: Jane ONeill [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 1999 20:58
Subject: aus-wx: MSC update
> The Wallan - Tallarook chase of the 3rd March 1999 - Andrew & Claire
> McDonald & Chris Gribben is finally up with photos at.....
> http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/3_3_99.htm
>
> Jane
> Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mudgee Storm 30/1 not a tornado by K.Batt at bom
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:53:49 +1000
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I suppose our next step is going to media and letting ourselves be known.
Just ignore the BOM, when the media starts contacting AWSA members for
opinions or weather related stories then the BOM may sit up and take notice.
I left my details with the local ABC radio some time last year as a weather
contact if they need to clarify anything or get info. This was not long
after hearing a local unversity pofessor gave inaccurate descriptions about
what a waterspout is, but I must admit nothing has eventuated. Perhaps with
a AWSA letter backing it up it may hold more weight. I suppose that is
something we can also discuss, we don't really want to encourage everybody
to write anything they want without approval on the behalf of the AWSA.
>
>
>
> A message was posted to this discussion group on the 30th March about a
> possible tornado that occurred near Mudgee, NSW during the mid afternoon
of
> Sat 30th January 1999.
>
> A few keen BoM spotters and ASWA members were going to investigate the
> damage track, but now there is no need.
>
> Apparently Kenn Batt (a member of this list) from the NSW Bureau of
> Meteorology Severe Weather Section investigated this event a couple of
> weeks ago, and came to the conclusion that a severe microburst was the
> cause.
>
> The lack of communication and feedback from the NSW BoM continues to be a
> major dissapointment to this forum, and to members of the Australian
Severe
> Weather Association. Members actively support the BoM by reporting severe
> weather encountered, in both real-time and post event analysis.
> Communication between ASWA and BoM must be two way.
>
> Michael Bath
>
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Canberra connection explained
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:07:14 +1000
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Reminds of of a line from one the Monkey shows, you remember the one with
Pigsy, Sandy, Monkey and Trippa taka ( or whatever )...anyway at the end of
each show they always quote a buddhist scripture, and one went something
like " A fool who knows he is fool is further along the road to
enlightenment than many of the wise "
Michael
Lindsay - tying the GEnealogy into the weather list - Bertrand Russell once
said "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always
so certain of themselves, but wiser (more intelligent?) so full of doubts"
Gee - I hope I got that right....
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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> I must say that is pretty amazing. My parter is a teacher, and her
> brother lives in Canberra! He's a doctor, um, not a GP but Anthropology
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Intense Tasman low forecast for nextweek
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:13:22 +1000
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I agree with the models and forecasting lows, I have said it before and I
will say again, the NGP in particular tends to go for the big play, last
year on one its longer 120 - 144 hr runs it had a 980 something low sitting
bearly offshore of the NSW Illawarra coast, had it occurred it would have
been a disaster.
On the other hand with ocean temperatures appearing warm and the systems
that we have seen in the last few weeks a East Coast low feast this year
look on the cards.
Michael
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Intense Tasman low forecast for nextweek
> Hi Blair and all,
>
> I'm also looking at the low with keen interest, the models actually have
> it forming near 25S, and travelling south. It could certainly prove for
> some interesting weather for us, with some strong winds (gales if it's
> close enough) and certainly the potential of some very heavy rain.
>
> I'm looking forward to future model runs, as unfortunately, sometimes
> models can be way off in the forecasting of lows :-(
>
> Anthony Cornelius from Brisbane
>
> Blair Trewin wrote:
> >
> > Both the Bureau GASP model and the ECMWF are predicting a very
> > intense low in the Tasman in the middle of next week. GASP is
> > particularly impressive, deepening it from 1007 hPa on Monday night
> > to 988 on Tuesday (and GASP tends to underestimate the depth of lows).
> > The EC holds off until Wednesday. Both scenarios would lead to some
> > very high winds in the Tasman (and some consequent interesting surf),
> > but not heavy rain unless the systems form closer to the coast than
> > forecast. Neither model pushes much in the way of cold air northwards
> > in the way that last week's system did.
> >
> > Blair Trewin
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:32:01 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mudgee Storm 30/1 not a tornado by K.Batt at bom
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Michael..
My understanding of this event from radio links in Dubbo was that damage
indicated rotation.
How are you aware of Kenn's assessment?
Is there a report from the BoM of this?
If Keen is a reader of this, perhaps he can reply ?
Cheers,
Don White
Michael_Bath at amp.com.au wrote:
>
> A message was posted to this discussion group on the 30th March about a
> possible tornado that occurred near Mudgee, NSW during the mid afternoon of
> Sat 30th January 1999.
>
> A few keen BoM spotters and ASWA members were going to investigate the
> damage track, but now there is no need.
>
> Apparently Kenn Batt (a member of this list) from the NSW Bureau of
> Meteorology Severe Weather Section investigated this event a couple of
> weeks ago, and came to the conclusion that a severe microburst was the
> cause.
>
> The lack of communication and feedback from the NSW BoM continues to be a
> major dissapointment to this forum, and to members of the Australian Severe
> Weather Association. Members actively support the BoM by reporting severe
> weather encountered, in both real-time and post event analysis.
> Communication between ASWA and BoM must be two way.
>
> Michael Bath
>
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:37:39 +0800
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From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]
Subject: aus-wx: WA meeting mins
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Friday 30th April 1999
Present, Ira Fehlberg, Jacob Aufdemkampe, Michael Fewings, Greg Spencer,
Nathan Howes & Rebekah Hoare
Apologies from John Roenfeldt (London), Radeak Doleki (off the NW shelf),
Kieth Evans & Jason Bush (from Karratha) & DroughtMaster (Mandurah)
ASWA memberships forms were handed out and disscussd.
Nathan Howes and Rebekah Hoare were welcomed as it was their first meeting.
Nathan is from Busselton, about 350k's to the south of Perth. Rebekah is a
friend of Mikes and lives in Perth.
The possible article for Australian Geagraphic article was discussed and
all agreed that some reference should be made to storm chasing.
Pizza & KFC was consumed by all washed down by Coke.
Photos were looked at along with old newspaper clippings of tornadoes in
Mandurah from 87, 90, 92, 94.
Greg Spencer showed video footage of the Pulse cells chase that myself and
Greg did on the 14th. Including spectacular footage of a cg that hit approx
60-90m from my car. Spectacular to say the lest! my eyes still burn, :P
Jacob had footage of the same storms but from the south looking North as
they approahced. Some great Lightning were captured on these. Jacob also
had footage of other pulse cells and lightning from earilier in the month
as well as footage of hail at his place on the same day that I saw the
Toodyay tornado and wall cloud. Jacob ( the human severe weather video
libary ) also showed news footage of the awesome winter fronts Perth got in
1996 in which the south Perth tornado ocurred and Perths freeway was
flooded along with other damage in Perth.
Michael Fewings gave a talk on his Media format camera that he uses for
lightning photos. He also gave an excellent explanation on lightning
photograpy hints and tips.
Various other severe weather was discussed until everyone left, very late,
cant actually remember the time.
Next meeting: Date to be announced Barry Hanstrum of the WA severe weather
section of the BOM will be attending to give a talk.
WA ASWA rep
Ira Fehlberg
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