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001 Sam Barricklow [k5kj at pulse.net]                Chase Summary 5/16/99
002 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     WA Severe Thunderstorm Advice
003 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]       Re: Cold Snap
004 vortex at wwdg.com                                Chase 18-5-98  and possible chase today
005 "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]               Chase 18-5-98  and possible chase today
006 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]   Thanks
007 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]    Southern QLD rain
008 vortex at wwdg.com                                (no subject)
009 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]    Chase 18-5-98  and possible chase today
010 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]    S Qld Wx --> Gales forecast
011 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au                    Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
012 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]   Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
013 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Adelaide's weather roundup :)
014 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     Pics of Perth storms
015 "W.A. (Bill) Webb" [billwebb at tpgi.com.au]      Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
016 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]            Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
017 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au                    Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
018 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]    South Qld rain
019 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     Possible tornado in Perth
020 Greg Spencer [hawk at aisnet.net.au]              Pics of Perth storms
021 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              South Qld rain
022 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Re: 
023 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]           Melbourne Storm Chasers update
024 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Thanks
025 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Help
026 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Victorian cold outbreak
027 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Cloud prongs, Sandon tornado and Jan 30th chase
028 "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au]              Fw: Tech support -Forwarded
029 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]   Perth Tornado Reporting

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:02:37 -0500
From: Sam Barricklow [k5kj at pulse.net]
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After receiving advice from Al Moller via cell phone, Bruce
Haynie, Robert Willis, Glenn Dickson and I gave up on SW Oklahoma
and charged south toward Guthrie to intercept a storm coming out
of Dickens County (almost a carbon copy of one of last week's
chases).  The Guthrie storm was the farthest south of three storms
in a short line.  Tail end Charlie, apparently a tornadic LP, was
another 40 or so miles SW in Kent County (was anyone on the Kent
County storm?).

The northern two cells were being seeded, but had SW flank rain
free bases.  Both produced RFD downbursts which raised large dust
plumes and perhaps, perhaps a few tornadic dust whirls.  Both RFB
areas had a hellish red  appearance and were full of wrapping rain
(and hail?) curtains.

We met Gene Rhoden at Guthrie.  Gene had also come south from 287
but told us he had originally targeted the area east and northeast
of Lubbock.

Haze was a problem (is Chiapas burning again?).  We gassed up in
Guthrie and then drove south of town to take a look at the
updraft, which was located SW of Guthrie.  The storm had a SW
flank with a huge wall cloud underneath.    The central part of
the wall cloud was on the deck, but the haze was bad enough to
prevent seeing any detail underneath.

As the precip area moved north of Guthrie, Gene and Bruce drove
west of Guthrie, assuming the 4 inch hail had moved north of the
highway, to get a closer look at the wall cloud.  I had set up
about three or four miles south of town and was shooting the storm
structure when they made their move.  After a few minutes, I
decided to follow their lead and headed back north.  As I drove
north, Bruce and Gene reported the brief tornado.  During most of
the weak tornado's one to two minute life, it was obscured from my
view by a ridge west of the highway.  I got a few brief glimpses
of a dust whirl underneath a shallow funnel, but never saw
condensation to the ground.  The storm produced several other
brief funnels.

We watched the storms go down hill just before sunset.  Bruce,
Robert and I then drove east to highway 6 and then turned north to
Crowell where we intercepted two HP monsters, one just north of
town and one to our northeast near Chillocothe.   We turned east
toward Vernon and experienced a tremendous lightning barrage as we
passed a few miles south of a large meso and wall cloud that was
between us and Chillicothe.

Gene stopped in Crowell to gas up.  As Bruce, Robert and I
continued east, we saw a series of power flashes under the meso to
our north.  Gene immediately reported a power outage in Crowell
via 146.52 MHz.

Six to eight inch diameter tree limbs littered the highway on the
western edge of Vernon.  We drove through the southern edge of the
meso as we passed through Vernon and east on 287, experiencing
several miles of high winds, frothy atomized rain and
hydroplaning.

The armada grew as we all drove to Wichita Falls for a late dinner
and discussion.

Sam Barricklow
http://www.k5kj.net/

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Currently 2:40am as I write this, all us Perth people (except hawk-wx,
where are you Greg? :P ) are currently chatting on IRC discussing the
current storm situation, some pink showing on the Perth local radar right
now to the north of the city. A lot more storms to the north of that where
the current severe thundestorm advice is issued for, and the advice is also
for the central wheatbelt, the district to the east of Perth.

PRIORITY
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY PERTH
ISSUED AT    2AM/ WEDNESDAY 19/05/1999

PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHERN GASCOYNE SOUTH OF CARNARVON, THE CENTRAL
WHEATBELT AND THE CENTRAL WEST DISTRICT INCLUDING GERALDTON
ARE ADVISED THAT THERE IS A RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS DURING
THE MORNING.

STORMS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY HAIL AND STRONG WINDS THAT COULD RESULT
IN DAMAGE TO PROPERTY.


 IF
STORMS APPROACH PEOPLE ARE ADVISED TO SECURE LOOSE ITEMS, MOVE
VEHICLES UNDER COVER, THEN STAY INDOORS UNTIL THE STORMS HAVE PASSED.

THIS THUNDERSTORM ADVICE WILL BE UPDATED AT 5:00AM.

Jacob

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We get a lot of single figure max's during June/July - but very rarely
in May!

At 07:15 18/05/99 , you wrote:
>Your minimums would kill ours normally, we rarely get more than say -3
>but it does get colder than that in various hollows I'd say. Still,
>we've had a few nice single figure maximums lately, something that few
>places experience outside of the Alps, I imagine.
>
>Lindsay P.
>
>Chris Maunder wrote:
>> 
>> -0.5C at 11pm. Gonna be another cold night in Canberra!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> At 00:30 17/05/99 , you wrote:
>> >Minimum of -1 in Blackheath this morning, Sunday, 16/5
>> >Currently 0.5 at 8am.
>> >
>> 
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:54:46 -0600
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Hey all,

Well, finally got some action here in the West of Vic last night. First thunderstorm since Feb. Wasn't much though....altough the advancing front had some good features on it. As soon as I can, I'll have them scanned and posted. Started off from Murtoa at 4:40pm and headed for Minyip which is about 30K's North. After hitting Minyip and seeing a small squall line, re-assessed the situation and decided that there was no point in going any furthur as nothing much else seemed to happen, but 3 individual rumbles of thunder were heard, so I am assuming that this is a thunder day.

Returned to Murtoa approximately 6:00pm and took some photos of Mammatus and called it a day.

Good news is that already we have castellanus overhead at 9:00am, and some TCu activity over the Grampians ranges, but I am assuming this is related to the lift coming up the side of the range helping this.



Paul Yole
2 McDonald Street
Murtoa.  Vic. 3390
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From: "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:03:01 +1000
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Hey Paul  

Andrew McDonald here.  I'm going chasing today too.  Good luck.  I'm headed
for teh airport for a better view.  See ya.

Macca

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> Subject: aus-wx: Chase 18-5-98  and possible chase today
> Date: Wednesday, 19 May 1999 9:54
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Well, finally got some action here in the West of Vic last night. First
thunderstorm since Feb. Wasn't much though....altough the advancing front
had some good features on it. As soon as I can, I'll have them scanned and
posted. Started off from Murtoa at 4:40pm and headed for Minyip which is
about 30K's North. After hitting Minyip and seeing a small squall line,
re-assessed the situation and decided that there was no point in going any
furthur as nothing much else seemed to happen, but 3 individual rumbles of
thunder were heard, so I am assuming that this is a thunder day.
> 
> Returned to Murtoa approximately 6:00pm and took some photos of Mammatus
and called it a day.
> 
> Good news is that already we have castellanus overhead at 9:00am, and
some TCu activity over the Grampians ranges, but I am assuming this is
related to the lift coming up the side of the range helping this.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Yole
> 2 McDonald Street
> Murtoa.  Vic. 3390
> Australia
> Phone: (035) 385 2699
> Mobile: 0419 367 920
> Email: vortex at wwdg.com
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Thanks
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:15:33 +1000
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Thanks to every one who went to the trouble of helping me out getting those
obs for Sunday, too easy!!

Good luck to anyone chaseing, we only have a severely boring weather
warning here! :)

--
Andrew Miskelly
Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW.
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Southern QLD rain
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:14:24 +1000
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Hi all

Apparently early this morning there were some good falls on the Sunshine
Coast between 50-100mm.  Some local flooding did occur.  We have to wait for
the rainfall obs however.
Sunshine Coast (north of Bris) forecast:
    SUNSHINE COAST
Rain periods, heavy at times. A possible thunderstorm.  Some local flooding
and
traffic disruptions. Fresh gusty SE winds.
Tewantin Maximum ...  21

Its fine and cloudy in Brisbane right now...radar shows a band of rain on
the Sunshine Coast making it as far as Caboolture and then dying off.  The
rain should extend south a bit tonight.  The sat pic shows some decent cloud
up near Fraser Island where thunder was reported...I need a thunderday!!!!
Anyway, we'll see.

Regards
James (about to go to work) Chambers


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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:14:36 -0600
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Andrew,

Hope ya have a good one and get something


Paul Yole
2 McDonald Street
Murtoa.  Vic. 3390
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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>Good news is that already we have castellanus overhead at 9:00am, and some
TCu activity over the Grampians ranges, but I am assuming this is related to
the lift coming up the side of the range helping this.

Hi all

I've spotted the accas (its a little bit hard to tell) on Melbourne Webcams
if anyone wants to peruse:

http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/Melbourne/Weather/Melbourne_Web_Cam/
Just go through the list of webcams and you'll find an adequate one.  Keep
watching them during the day.

Regards
James C

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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: S Qld Wx --> Gales forecast
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STRONG WIND  GALE WARNING FOR SMALL CRAFT
Issued at 10:12am on Wednesday the 19th of May 1999

for coastal waters between  ST. Lawrence and Coolangatta.

A 1031 hPa high in the Tasman sea is moving slowly east with a broad trough
located off the south coast.  A low is expected to develop east of Fraser
Island

Thursday afternoon.

Expect SE winds 25/30 knots to continue  for at least another 24 hours but
increase to 35/40 knots south of Sandy Cape from Thursday afternoon.

Seas and swells to 3 metres in open waters rising to 4 to 5 metres south of
Sandy Cape later Thursday.
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Last I night I experienced one of the most interesting pieces of weather
forecasts I have ever seen for this weekend.

Channel ten had some Showers with a developing trough/Low SE QLD/NE NSW

7 had some showers with a change.

9 (Nat Jeffrey who is the best) had a trough coming across Western NSW
linking with a developing Low NE NSW bringing heavy squally rain.

ABC had fine weather forecast.

Now I realise its 48 - 72 hours away, I thought that most models are
reasonably reliable for that period of time. Seems that the media dont
think so.......or shop at different places for their weather info.

I see that the BOM are going for showers to increase on the NE NSW Coast
for Friday / Saturday. When are the media going to make weather a more
important aspect of there focus - I mean just because it doesn't bring in
revenue - it still plays a vital part in peoples lives and a better
distribution of the information can actually save lives (as the OK Tornado
outbreak proved.........).  Its allright for the media to blame the BOm for
the Sydney Hailstorm BUT the media would not have passed on any warnings
that the BOM would have issued anyway!

dear oh dear oh dear. Sometimes it feels like you are banging your head on
a brickwall.


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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Paul,

That's exactly right. Last year the (federal?) government released that
special sound to be played on radio or TV when an important message
regarding weather/fire etc was to be broadcast. I've never heard it yet but
there have been several severe storm advices/warnings, obviously. And I've
never heard any mention of weather warnings on TV in my life, except for
those that are current for days - wind/sheep graziers warnings - and they
are only mentioned on the ABC weather. It is indeed time for the media to
get themselves into gear...

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> From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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> Subject: aus-wx: Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
> Date: Wednesday, 19 May 1999 11:11
> 
> 
> 
> Last I night I experienced one of the most interesting pieces of weather
> forecasts I have ever seen for this weekend.
> 
> Channel ten had some Showers with a developing trough/Low SE QLD/NE NSW
> 
> 7 had some showers with a change.
> 
> 9 (Nat Jeffrey who is the best) had a trough coming across Western NSW
> linking with a developing Low NE NSW bringing heavy squally rain.
> 
> ABC had fine weather forecast.
> 
> Now I realise its 48 - 72 hours away, I thought that most models are
> reasonably reliable for that period of time. Seems that the media dont
> think so.......or shop at different places for their weather info.
> 
> I see that the BOM are going for showers to increase on the NE NSW Coast
> for Friday / Saturday. When are the media going to make weather a more
> important aspect of there focus - I mean just because it doesn't bring in
> revenue - it still plays a vital part in peoples lives and a better
> distribution of the information can actually save lives (as the OK
Tornado
> outbreak proved.........).  Its allright for the media to blame the BOm
for
> the Sydney Hailstorm BUT the media would not have passed on any warnings
> that the BOM would have issued anyway!
> 
> dear oh dear oh dear. Sometimes it feels like you are banging your head
on
> a brickwall.
> 
> 
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide's weather roundup :)
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Phil Bagust wrote:

> Hi Andrew!
> 
> Yeah, it was a wierd day wasn't it?  Quite lovely actually, with all that
> castellanus and waste anvils.  Pity the storms fell apart as soon as they
> begun.  Here at St Peters we didn't get a drop, but I still photographed a
> nice precip cascade and some base features.
> 
> Did you check the radar?  Did anyone get a decent fall?
> 
> Must have been one of the warmest May days for some time too....
> 
Not that long - it reached 26 on the 5th, compared with 23 yesterday.

It's starting to get late in May for a 23, though, although still some
way short of record territory - it was 26.9 on the 24th in 1994 (IIRC
this had some duststorms attached to it).

On the other hand, central Australia has been very warm - 33 at Alice
Springs yesterday equals their record for this late in autumn. There
is certainly potential for a couple of warm days further south late in
the week if skies remain reasonably clear.

Blair Trewin
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We just had a thundestorm pass us here in the northern suburbs of Perth,
some nice lightning in it.

I managed to get some pics of the storm using my brothers digital camera,
didnt manage to get any lightning on camera though. 3 of the pics are
showing cloud tops next to the main storm.

http://www.iinet.net.au/~jacob/clouds/

Jacob


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From: "W.A. (Bill) Webb" [billwebb at tpgi.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Consistency Weather Forecasts & Others
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:07:53 +1000
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Hi Paul, Andrew, and others,

Can relate to what you say.

Currently have a (prediction sceptical) tourist industry buff on my back
about warnings - he's into taking visitors out on boats, and he sent the
following the other day -

COPY
Ahoy!
Anything happening?
Thought you might like this.
Cheers, Cap'n Dan

Prediction: no blame
Have you ever thought about taking the weather forecasters or weather
boffins to court when the say, for instance, that we will have ten cyclones
this season and we don't, but it adversely affects our business.
A US judge has ruled that weather forecasts are predictions and broadcasters
should not be blamed if they are wrong. The judge dismissed a $US10 million
(A$15,8 million) lawsuit filed by relatives of a Florida fisherman who died
in a storm.
END COPY

The local beef is of course caused by irresponsible southern media reporting
(file footage etc of cyclones, tales of destruction when the cyclone is 1000
km away) of what SHOULD be a warning only, so the public have time to
prepare.

There is no doubt that local tourism businesses get thousands of
cancellations when these "reports" are aired - this is a perennial problem,
and their concern is real$$$$. On the basis of these "reports", my parents
ring me from Brisbane "to see if we're all right" - which is nice, but the
cyclone is 200 km off Cape Melville not Proserpine!

We of course have the warning system in use up here, and I've seen the
reaction of visitors/newcomers when they hear it -PANIC. I guess I can
understand the reason BoM are reluctant to use the same down south.

If the general public were better informed on interpreting weather data, and
interpreting the press rubbish, perhaps all would be better.

Bill - Proserpine

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:57:00 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Paul..
Which city's 10,7,9, etc were you watching ?
Don W

Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
> 
> Last I night I experienced one of the most interesting pieces of weather
> forecasts I have ever seen for this weekend.
> 
> Channel ten had some Showers with a developing trough/Low SE QLD/NE NSW
> 
> 7 had some showers with a change.
> 
> 9 (Nat Jeffrey who is the best) had a trough coming across Western NSW
> linking with a developing Low NE NSW bringing heavy squally rain.
> 
> ABC had fine weather forecast.
> 
> Now I realise its 48 - 72 hours away, I thought that most models are
> reasonably reliable for that period of time. Seems that the media dont
> think so.......or shop at different places for their weather info.
> 
> I see that the BOM are going for showers to increase on the NE NSW Coast
> for Friday / Saturday. When are the media going to make weather a more
> important aspect of there focus - I mean just because it doesn't bring in
> revenue - it still plays a vital part in peoples lives and a better
> distribution of the information can actually save lives (as the OK Tornado
> outbreak proved.........).  Its allright for the media to blame the BOm for
> the Sydney Hailstorm BUT the media would not have passed on any warnings
> that the BOM would have issued anyway!
> 
> dear oh dear oh dear. Sometimes it feels like you are banging your head on
> a brickwall.
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Gday Don.

9 - Newcastle (NBN with Nat jeffrey who is excellent)
7 - Sydney
10 - Sydney
ABC - Sydney.

Regards, Paul


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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: South Qld rain
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Hi all

Radar currently shows widespread mod rain over the Sunshine Coast and the
Wide Bay area which is drifting SSW.  Redcliffe has light rain now.

PRELIMINARY FLOOD WARNING FOR COASTAL RIVERS AND STREAMS BETWEEN MARYBOROUGH
AND BRISBANE
Issued at 4:17pm on Wednesday the 19th of May 1999
by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane.

Further rain with some heavy falls is forecast to continue overnight in
coastal
areas between Maryborough and Brisbane. Stream rises and flooding is likely
during tonight and Thursday morning, particularly in the smaller Sunshine
coast
streams and the tributary creeks of the Mary River.

Motorist should exercise caution when driving in the area and avoid driving
through water on the roads.

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Subject: aus-wx: Possible tornado in Perth
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Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb of
Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it was
a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports to
see if it was a tornado or not.

Jacob

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:08:36 +0800
From: Greg Spencer [hawk at aisnet.net.au]
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Hi Jacob

Thank god someone managed to get some pics of that Storm, the lightning was
pretty good from where I was at Kingsway SHopping center working. Mind you I
got home absolutely soaked cause we had a nice heavy shower come over us too.

Just wish I had mt camera with me at the time. :-)

Greg

Jacob wrote:

> We just had a thundestorm pass us here in the northern suburbs of Perth,
> some nice lightning in it.
>
> I managed to get some pics of the storm using my brothers digital camera,
> didnt manage to get any lightning on camera though. 3 of the pics are
> showing cloud tops next to the main storm.
>
> http://www.iinet.net.au/~jacob/clouds/
>
> Jacob
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:44:34 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..

That light rain has increased to light/borderline moderate.. but fairly
steady at the moment, the rain band approaching from the N/NE is VERY
slow moving, and i think we can expect some heavy falls tonight, mainly
north of Brisbane as BOM is predciting..

It's been raining on the Sunshine coast since late last night (more like
constant rain in the last 8-9 hours) with plenty of moderate falls
around the 60mm mark close to the coast, and some heavy ones including
over 100mm at Rainbow Beach and Double Island point - right on the
coast.  

At the moment there are 33 roads cut in the Maroochydore shire, wich is
like 1/4 of the SE coast district.. i can't get through to my normal
information source at the moment, but i think their would be a few more
roads cut in other districts as well.. They are also sandbagging in
places as well, as the Maroochy River was very close to breaking its
banks in todays high tide, and could possibly break its banks in
tonights high tide sometime around Midnight i think.. At the moment the
flood situation isn't major by any means, and i think their will have to
be allot more rain, and in a more intense fashion for the major rivers
to cause problems, but it certainly has the potential there if their are
any heavy falls overnight..

I've pasted the info from our Weather summary below..

RAINFALL SUMMARY
In the 24 hours to 0900 Wednesday, there was widespread rain in SE Qld,
particularly about the Sunshine Coast. Totals included Yandina 107mm,
Palmwoods
88mm, Landsborough 77mm, Eumundi 66mm, and Maroochydore and Baroon
Pocket Dam
64mm.  Brisbane Airport recorded only 5mm. Elsewhere, only scattered to
isolated
showers were reported from the Tropical Coast, for example Lockhart
River 11mm,
Babinda 8mm, and Crystal Brook on the Central Coast 10mm.  
  
During Wednesday, the trend was similar, with falls in the 6 hours to
1500
about the Sunshine Coast of 106mm at Double Island Point, 93mm at
Rainbow Beach,
74mm at Tewantin, 55mm at Maroochydore. Falls about the remaining
southern
coasts and adjacent inland were lighter, and only isolated light showers
occurred near the tropical coast.   


James Chambers wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Radar currently shows widespread mod rain over the Sunshine Coast and the
> Wide Bay area which is drifting SSW.  Redcliffe has light rain now.
> 
> PRELIMINARY FLOOD WARNING FOR COASTAL RIVERS AND STREAMS BETWEEN MARYBOROUGH
> AND BRISBANE
> Issued at 4:17pm on Wednesday the 19th of May 1999
> by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane.
> 
> Further rain with some heavy falls is forecast to continue overnight in
> coastal
> areas between Maryborough and Brisbane. Stream rises and flooding is likely
> during tonight and Thursday morning, particularly in the smaller Sunshine
> coast
> streams and the tributary creeks of the Mary River.
> 
> Motorist should exercise caution when driving in the area and avoid driving
> through water on the roads.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> James Chambers
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
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Welcome Glenda and Arthur John, I do recall you asking these questions
several months back. There are a few as you may have found on the list that
have discussed such issues in the past.

Enjoy your stay.


Jimmy Deguara

At 20:48 17/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hello to everyone - I've just subscribed to this list and hope to learn from
>it all.  The weather fascinates and never ceases to interest me.  One aspect
>I follow closely (and recently published a book on) is the way animal/plant
>life react or behave prior to changes in the weather.  Anyone else
>interested in this?
>Glenda John
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Storm Chasers update
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:18:14 +1000
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There have been some updates to the MSC reports as follows at:
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/

28th January
2nd March
3rd March (HAIL!!!!!  Jimmy )
15th May (summary but pics should be up by the weekend)

Jane
Bayswater, Melbourne


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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Very boring, the only thing of interest in the next 1 to 2 days could be
photo chemical smog.

There is a very outside chance of this high slipping away south a bit and
letting the showers along the north coast move southwards. ( as if they have
not had enough ! ), but it is unlikely.

Michael


> Good luck to anyone chaseing, we only have a severely boring weather
> warning here! :)
>



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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Help
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:49:48 +1000
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A bit scary here Lindsay. I presume that the graphic driver file in Windows
Setup was not changed in any way ?

If not then there can only be a few places the rogue problem can come from,
check your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS for any new lines, especially related
to graphics. If either of these files has a date the same as you installed
Photoworks you are on a winner. The Windows startup group is probably too
obvious and I bet you have checked that. Look also in WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI
for any graphic drivers, usually any funny drivers may be found in the first
few lines of either, again the date of these files may be a pointer. If you
suspect a culprit backup your present file with a .OLD extension ( or like )
and remove the suspect line and save as the new .INI file and restart
windows.

Michael


> I know this isn't directly related to weather but I need help and it was
> for aussue-weather that I obtained this software to make my snow photos
> available to everyone etc.
>
> I installed Photoworks for windows 3.1 and it has stuffed up my
> graphics/ colours etc. I'm operating on very limited colour just now,
> very frustrating. Now and then, when I change back to a vga driver with
> say 16 colors then back to my S3 driver everything returns to normal but
> when I turn the computer off for more than a minute or so, it reverts
> back to strange colours. National Photos finally remembered after
> sending me the software that it wasn't compatible with "One S3 driver"
> and that appears to be mine. Any help would be appreciated, and I will
> return the favour somehow.Maybe email privately eh?
>
>
> Ta,
>
> Lindsay Pearce
>
> Has anyone else had experience with this software, good or bad?
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian cold outbreak
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I have a couple of pics of typical low level glaciation at

http://thunder.simplenet.com/diary/s98.htm#27OCT

this was from October last year. Victorians would see this a lot more than
I.

> Rod, if you have time, could you explain what a glaciated cloud looks
> like, for me? Thanks,
>



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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Cloud prongs, Sandon tornado and Jan 30th chase
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I was doing a little roaming around the sites this morning and noticed a pic
of the Sandon Tornado at

http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/inside/sevwx/public/handbook/spotter5.shtm
l

The BOM article goes on to describe the large ' prong ' attached to the wall
cloud. It just so happens I had the latest storm news on the desk and Matt's
pic from the 30th January 1999 chase was on the front page, the black and
white storm news pic is so similar to the Sandon one, I am now sure that a
tornado was mixed in there, if only briefly. The colour version is at , but
I suggest comparing the B/W storm news version to the Sandon pic.

http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/30-01-99-05.jpg

...and just to plug my own site, another cloud 'prong ' as BOM calls them at

http://thunder.simplenet.com/chase/chase13.htm

which is the Sydney Hailstorm forming,

Something to think about !!

Michael Thompson
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Tech support -Forwarded
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:35:11 +1000
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I know this email isn't related to the 2 mailinglists I'm on, but as some of
you work with computers, it's worth a giggle or 2
John


Technophobia - How the other half live.....

 A woman called the Canon help desk with a problem with her printer.
 The tech asked her if she was "running it under Windows."
 The woman responded, "No, my desk is next to the door. But that's a good
 point. The man sitting in the cubicle next to me is under a window, and
 his is working fine."

 **********

 Tech Support: "OK Bob, let's press the control and escape keys at the same time.
 That brings up a task list in the middle of  the screen.  Now type the letter 'P'
 to bring up the Program Manager."
 Customer: "I don't have a 'P'."
 Tech Support: "On your keyboard, Bob."
 Customer: "What do you mean?"
 Tech Support: "'P' on your keyboard, Bob."
 Customer: "I'm not going to do that!"

 **********

 Overheard in a computer shop:

 Customer: "I'd like a mouse mat, please."
 Salesperson: "Certainly sir, we've got a large variety."
 Customer: "But will they be compatible with my computer?"

 **********

 I once received a fax with a note on the bottom to fax the document back
 to the sender when I was finished with it, because  he needed to keep it.

 **********

 Customer in computer shop: "Can you copy the Internet onto this disk for me?"

 **********

 Customer: "So that'll get me connected to the Internet, right?"
 Tech Support: "Yeah."
 Customer: "And that's the latest version of the Internet, right?"
 Tech Support: "Uhh...uh...uh...yeah."

 **********

 Tech Support: "All right...now double-click on the File Manager icon."
 Customer:"That's why I hate this Windows - because of the icons - I'm a
 Protestant, and I don't believe in icons."
 Tech Support: "Well, that's just an industry term sir.  I don't believe it was meant to-"
 Customer: "I don't care about any 'Industry Terms'. I don't believe in icons."
 Tech Support: "Well...why don't you click on the 'little picture' of a filing
 cabinet...is 'little picture' OK?"
 Customer: {click}

 **********

 Customer: "My computer crashed!"
 Tech Support: "It crashed?"
 Customer: "Yeah, it won't let me play my game."
 Tech Support: "All right, hit Control-Alt-Delete to reboot."
 Customer: "No, it didn't crash-it crashed."
 Tech Support: "Huh?"
 Customer: "I crashed my game. That's what I said before. I crashed my spaceship and now it doesn't work."
 Tech Support: "Click on 'File,' then 'New Game.'"
 Customer: {pause} "Wow! How'd you learn how to do that?"

 **********

 I had been doing Tech Support for Hewlett-Packard's DeskJet division for
 about a month when I had a customer call with a  problem I just couldn't solve.
 She could not print yellow. All the other colours would print fine,
 which truly baffled me  because the only true colours are cyan, magenta,
 and yellow.For instance, green is a combination of cyan and yellow, but green printed fine.
 Every colour of the rainbow printed fine except for yellow. I had the
 customer change ink cartridges. I  had the customer delete and reinstall the drivers.
 Nothing worked. I asked my co-workers for help; they offered no new ideas.
 After over two hours of troubleshooting, I was about to tell the
 customer to send the printer in to us for repair when she asked quietly,
 "Should I try printing on a piece of white paper instead of this yellow paper?"

 **********

 A man attempting to set up his new printer called the printer's tech
 support number, complaining about the error message:  "Can't find the printer."
 On the phone, the man said he even held the printer up in front of the screen,
 but the computer still couldn't find it.

 **********

 And another user was all confused about why the cursor always moved in
 the opposite direction from the movement of the mouse.  She also
 complained that the buttons were difficult to depress. She was very
 embarrassed when we asked her to rotate the  mouse so the tail pointed away from her.

 ****************

 An unfailingly polite lady called to ask for help with a Windows installation
 that had gone terribly wrong.

 Customer: "I brought my Windows disks from work to install them on my home computer."
 Training stresses that we are "not the Software Police," so I let the little act of piracy slide.
 Tech Support: "Umm-hmm. What happened?"
 Customer: "As I put each disk in it turns out they weren't initialized."
 Tech Support: "Do you remember the message exactly, ma'am?"
 Customer: (proudly) "I wrote it down. 'This is not a Macintosh disk. Would you like to initialize   it?'"
 Tech Support: "Er, what happened next?"
 Customer: "After they were initialized, all the disks appeared to be blank.And
 now I brought them back to work, and I can't  read them in the A: drive; the PC
 wants to format them. And this is our only set of Windows disks for the whole
 office. Did I  do something wrong?"

 *********

 This guy calls in to complain that he gets an "Access Denied" message
 every time he logs in. It turned out he was typing his username and password in capital letters.
 Tech Support: "Ok, let's try once more, but use lower case letters."
 Customer:"Uh, I only have capital letters on my keyboard."

 **********

 Email from a friend:   "CanYouFixTheSpaceBarOnMyKeyboard?"

 **********

 My friend was on duty in the main lab on a quiet afternoon. He noticed a young
 woman sitting in front of one of the  workstations with her arms crossed across
 her chest, staring at the screen. After about 15 minutes he noticed that she
 was still in the same position, only now she was impatiently tapping her foot.
 He asked if she  needed help and she replied "It's about time! I pressed the F1
 button over twenty minutes ago!"

 ***********************

 After experiencing difficulties with his computer, a poor,incognizant user
 called the system maker's technical support line for assistance...

 Technician: Hello.  How can I help you today?

 Customer: There's smoke coming from the power supply on my computer...

 Technician: Looks like you need a new power supply...

 Customer: No, I don't!  I just need to change the startup files...

 Technician: Sir, what you described is a faulty power supply.  You need to replace it...

 Customer: No way!  Someone told me that I just had to change the system startup files to fix the  problem!  All I need is for you to tell me the right command...

 For the next ten minutes, in spite of the technician's efforts to explain the problem and its    solution, the customer adamantly insisted that he was right.

 So, in frustration, the technician responded...

 Technician: I'm sorry.  We don't normally tell our customers this, but
 there's an undocumented DOS command that will fix the  problem...

 Customer: I knew it!

 Technician: Just add the line "LOAD NOSMOKE.COM" at the end of the CONFIG.SYS file and everything should work fine.  Let me  know how it goes...

 About ten minutes later, the technician received a call back from the
 customer...

 Customer: It didn't work.  The power supply is still smoking...

 Technician: Well, what version of DOS are you using?

 Customer: MS-DOS 6.22...
 Technician: Well, that's your problem.  That version of DOS doesn't include NOSMOKE.  You'll need to contact Microsoft and  ask them for a patch.  Let me know how it all works out...

 When nearly an hour had passed, the phone rang again...

 Customer: I need a new power supply...

 Technician: How did you come to that conclusion?

 Customer: Well, I called Microsoft and told the technician what you said,and he started asking me questions about the make  of the power supply...

 Technician:What did he tell you?

 Customer: He said my power supply isn't compatible with NOSMOKE...
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
To: "Weather Mailing List" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Perth Tornado Reporting
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:44:40 +1000
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Pardon me for being a grump, but why is it that when ever witnesses
describe the effects of a storm as tornadic, the media immediatly adopts
the term "mini tornado"? A tornado is a tornado damn it, and I don't recall
Dr Fujita including a "mini" rating in his scale!!

Yep, must be the "ooh, we don't have real tornadoes in Australia" thing
coming up again and again. Aren't the media supposed to be well informed?

OK, enough digs at the media for me today...

Andrew.

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Andrew Miskelly
Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW.
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