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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Monday, 24 May 1999

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001 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au                    Re; Weather21
002 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au]            Storm Chasing & Storm Development
003 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au]            welcome rain
004 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]             welcome rain
005 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  Silent Sentinels...
006 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Late-season heatwave in Central Australia
007 Michael Bath [mbath at penman.es.mq.edu.au]       Change of Address: Michael Bath
008 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]       NSW Storm Chasers Home Page
009 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]       NSW Storm Chasers Home Page
010 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]              Storm Chasing & Storm Development
011 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]        welcome rain
012 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]           Melbourne weather
013 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au]            welcome rain
014 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au                    Melbourne weather
015 Michael_Bath at amp.com.au                        welcome rain - Sydney too
016 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]       welcome rain - Sydney too
017 Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]                  Welcome Rain
018 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Weak squall line just offshore- Illawarra
019 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Just a reminder of the AMOS meeting this Wednesday
020 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Re; Weather21
021 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Storm Chasing & Storm Development
022 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   NSW Storm Chasers Home Page
023 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]    Strahan Tasmania
024 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]   Re; Weather21
025 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au]            welcome rain

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From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Howdy all.

If you are able , get Austar for Weather 21! It is an excellent service -
On Saturday the graphics of the deep spiral action of the Low that is SW of
Victoria was well defined, and the Jetstream feature is great. Not only
that but the Radar loop of the S.A. storms was amazing!!

Here at port it is "pissin" down with heavy squalls drfiting in off the
sea. Seems that Low is starting to make more of an impact here now (the one
in the Pacific Ocean). Only light falls received at Mitchells Island on the
weeknd - 3.8mm Saturday & 5.4mm yesterday. Great "pea-souper" this morning.

Seems those Lows of the East Coast are just letting us down
lately..........ohh well. Maybe soon!

Paul at a wet Port Macquarie.


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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:15:33 +1000
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>From humble experience of storm observation from my childhood to now:
use all MET data available, watch the sky and LISTEN TO YOUR INTUITION!
Cheers Peter.



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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:53:30 +1000
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In the 18 hrs since 2pm Sunday, Broadford has had 14mm of rain. How has
everyone else faired?
Cheers Peter


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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:10:37 +1000
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Hi Peter,

Excuse my ignorance - where is Broadford?

Here at Mt. Crosby, 26km west of Brisbane and inconveniently located (from 
a Weather perspective) behind the southern spur of the D'Aguilar Range, we 
have also had welcome rain for this time of year.  Totals to midnight each 
day:

Friday: 12mm
Saturday: 12.5mm
Sunday: 1mm

John.

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In the 18 hrs since 2pm Sunday, Broadford has had 14mm of rain. How has
everyone else faired?
Cheers Peter


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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:00:30 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Keith Barnett wrote on Fri, 21 May 1999 19:51:21 +1000:
> 
> There is no doubt that we have been put on this Earth to take care of
> it. What other species is capable..except that some of them may well 
> put us to shame!

We, as a species unique to this Earth (so it seems) also are 
the only species (so it seems) that is capable of caring for 
the well-being of other species. This is not a symbiotic 
relationship, but one which has developed to a myriad of species
including those that we just enjoy to watch...We also are capable 
of both predicting and effecting our future and that of other 
species. That responsibility carries with it a price that we 
cannot yet qualify, let only quantify. Our economic models are
not capable of putting a quantitative economic value on the 
preservation of a natural area verses its exploitation. The 
destruction of rainforest habitat in the Amazon at some 100+ 
hectares per day has not been factored into the Earth's budget 
that states the preservation or expansion of such a region for 
a greater cause.

What I am pointing out is that despite many advances in the
science of this all, we are a still merely a baby. Environmental
economically speaking, we are a just mid-term foetus. We run 
the risk of being too arrogant by and seeing the wood for the 
trees. That is not a strong position from which to draw 
conclusions that agree with or contest the view of "socialist"
scientists. We need to assess all evidence.

> However I get a bit chuffed when some scientists,especially greenhouse
> Americans, start applying different standards of sicentific research
> criteria to greenhouse emissions than the ones they apply to other
> disciplines.In the case of greenhouse emissions, they are only too
> willing to say 'we THINK such and such is the case' or 'there MAY be
> this or that'. In other scientific disciplines rigorous, laboratory
> proofs are required.

Every person is entitled to express their view, particularly if
it comes with authority. As for the scientific rigour of those
engaged in climatology,  I would say that because there are fence
sitters is merely a testimony to the immaturity of environmental
science. QED. By the time we have a consistent view, it might be 
far too late to effect great change. Consider, hypothetically, 
that it was decided to build large-scale solar power plants 
cabable of delivering base-load-type power levels. Doing this 
might require the expenditure of a future fossil-fuel budget. 
What if this expenditure was enough to escalate Earth's 
green-house gas problem to an uncontrollable level? What I am 
saying is that there is now time and resources available that
allow us to change our bad habits. Leave that decision longer 
might well make feasible alternatives impossible to achieve
without some as-yet-to-be-discovered enabling technology.

As for laboratory proofs, that's a holy grail. There is no 
laboratory model that precisely models the Earth. Some processes,
maybe, but all together? Probably never.

> This is quite apart from those who are on the public record 
> as saying that the world's populace has to be scared into
> going along with their view by distorting the facts..if they 
> are the facts in the first place.

No matter how scared people seem to be, it hasn't changed
their underlying habits greatly (yet). How many people 
seriously pursue passive solar design in new homes when it
increases a project's cost? While the western world may have
agreed on greenhouse gas reductions, has any action happened
yet? Has the 3rd world been given enough resources to avoid
going down the western world's energy consumption path? etc.

Despite some inevitable data misinterpretation, some facts
cannot be contested such as average temperature rise, glacial
retreat, sea-level rise, dead coral etc. How many more facts
are needed before we get our marine-emu heads out of that now
dead coral? It's like my kids arguing about the bath overflowing.
Sure, if they or I didn't turn the tap off, the bath would
probably overflow. But we could also spend our time arguing
about the rate of water rise and never realise the dire 
consequences of this.

> Today's world population is the most terrified the world has 
> ever known because of these doomsayers.

I'm not terrified. Are you? One is only terrified if they are
powerless to effect a positive change or not suitably dilusioned.

> Granted, changes are occurring, and I don't deny mankind's activites
> have contributed to coral reef destruction and other things. But
> anything coming out of the ABC is, by any fair measure, open to question
> when you remember that ,unless my knowledge is out of date, you have to
> be dedicated to socialist philosophy to get a job there.

That's a broad brush you stroke. Distortions of fact also come
from "right-wing" media organisations probably to an equal level
of any "left-wing" biased media. It is important to get a balance.
Quite frankly, I don't think you'll find much of a counter 
argument to "Silent Sentinels".

> Certain greenhouse scientists will, to me, be a lot more believable when
> they come up with irrefutable, hard core evidence , cease and desist
> from ad hominem diatribes aimed at all who dare to challenge them and
> give equal public exposure to their political motivations...

I couldn't agree more about hard core evidence. There are hard 
coral cores, hard ice cores and hard geologic cores:-) Seek and 
ye shall find. As for believable? Well, I am a devoted snow-skier 
and while I gather data from 1952, I havn't formed an opinion yet 
about that Aussie-Alps perspective. You might say that I have a 
self-centred interest in "increased" snowfall. Quite frankly, 
I'm finding it extremely difficult to dig up any counter evidence 
to the greenhouse doomsayers. Mind you, like argueing with my kids 
about the bath water rate of rise, I am only faced with arguing 
about the rate of warming, not the fact that it is getting warmer.

As for our tropical corals, one might say that the evidence gleams
as white as fresh snow. Anti-doomsayers might attribute the coral
bleeching to a "natural event" but they would find it extremely
difficult proving that this is not a rare event (twice in 65MY)
and not caused by both excessive dissolved CO2 and excessive sea-
surface temperatures.

> I'm not seeking to start a 'war' here but I don't believe 
> we get enough of both sides of the argument, especially in the 
> media. My one cent's worth...

While I agree in principle with this, one undeniable fact seems
to be emerging...there is only really one side to this arguement.
We just have to agree on whether its "arguement", "Argument" or
"ARGUMENT":-)

[snip]

> > > Kevin Phyland wrote on Thu, 20 May 1999 04:09:33 PDT
> > >
> > > > Global warming is very likely happening but I disagree that rapid climate
> > > > changes occur WITHOUT some sort of catastrophic trigger.

As for some catastrophic trigger, I would have thought that the
mere presence and habits of homo sapien sapien represents one
such trigger. Just consider what the geologic record 100MY into
the future might show of our activities within the comparatively
short 4-5MY period. Particularly the period mapped to the 20th
and 21st centuries of the Gregorian calendar, That is, if it is 
actually genus homo studying Earth's rocks at that time...

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Late-season heatwave in Central Australia
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> 
> The duration of the heatwave (warmwave?) in northern SA and around the
> SA/NT border is quite unusual. For 8 consecutive days now, the maxima
> in this area have been 8 to 12 above the May average, and as it's the
> middle of the month, that figure would be pretty close to the day
> average in a month where the "true" average drops rapidly through the
> month. 
> 
> The stations with the greatest positive departure from normal max temp
> over the past 8 days have been:
> 
> 14th  Kulgera (on the SA/NT border south of Alice Springs) 30.5 (+8.2)
> 15th Alice Springs AP 31 rounded (+8.2)
> 16th Alice Springs AP 32 rounded (+9.2)
> 17th Alice Springs AP 32 rounded (+9.2)
> 18th Kulgera 33.5 (+11.2)
> 19th Kulgera 33.5 (+11.2)
> 20th Marla (about 200km S of Kulgera) 34.7 (+12.0)
> 21st  Ulara 32 rounded (+9 rounded)
> 
> Do your records extend to duration of off-season warmwaves, Blair?
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They do.

Alice Springs experienced at least 8 consecutive days over 30 (15-22
May), possibly 9 (the 14th was 30 rounded). 

There is no previous instance of a run of 5 or more consecutive days
over 30 commencing in May (or June or July). A run of 8 consecutive
days has finished in May (28 April-5 May 1942). 

The latest previous start in autumn to a spell of 9 or more consecutive
days over 30 is 12 April 1992 (part of a run of 11 extending 10-20 
April 1992).

Alice Springs' record for all months is 107 consecutive days over 30
(14 December 1979 - 29 March 1980).

Blair Trewin

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Hi All,

Please update your address books for me to:

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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: NSW Storm Chasers Home Page
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:01:04 +1000
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Hi Everyone,

The NSW Storm Chasers Home Page is now up at the following address

http://members.xoom.com/backshear/nswstormchasers.htm

On this page if you follow the link "Meet the Gang" you will find pictures
of all who attended the last ASWA meeting in Sydney.

I hope everyone enjoys it and any feedback would be most appreciated.

Matthew Piper

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At 13:01 24/05/99 , you wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>The NSW Storm Chasers Home Page is now up at the following address
>
> >http://members.xoom.com/backshear/nswstormchasers.htm
>
>On this page if you follow the link "Meet the Gang" you will find pictures
>of all who attended the last ASWA meeting in Sydney.
>
>I hope everyone enjoys it and any feedback would be most appreciated.

Any chance of trimming the size of those pics? Us poor people on crappy
modem lines have a very long wait...



Chris Maunder (Canberra)

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Chasing & Storm Development
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--- peter matters  wrote:
> >From humble experience of storm observation from my
> childhood to now:
> use all MET data available, watch the sky and LISTEN
> TO YOUR INTUITION!

That's for sure Peter. I think Prof. Howard Bluestein, who has to be
the most passionate storm researcher / chaser I have ever seen, said
that severe storm forecasting (and by extension chasing) was 1/2
science and 1/2 art. I have only been actively chasing storms for two
years but have been watching / studying them for as long as I remember
- it's amazing what your subconcious has picked up on past storm events
and then throws back out as insight. Model data etc are great for
helping you decide whether it's worth bringing a camera to work but on
the chase intuition prevails........well most of the time...

Hopefully see all you Sydney district chasers on Wednesday night at the
weatherwatch meeting.
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Hi Peter!

Massive 8 mm. at Wycheproof since Friday night. Nowhere near as much as the 
models seemed to indicate...

Oh well.. later in the week.

Kevin.

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>In the 18 hrs since 2pm Sunday, Broadford has had 14mm of rain. How has
>everyone else faired?
>Cheers Peter
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne weather
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:31:59 +1000
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1 flash of lightning just SE of Melbourne city 2.30pm, thunder heard in
Abbotsford also, flooding in Alexander Parade.  Heavy shower through
Abbotsford about 2.20pm

Jane
ASWA - Victoria
Abbotsford, Melbourne

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Just keeps on raining here in Adelaide.  Near continuous heavy showers this
morning.  This is turning into a major rain event.  I've received nearly
70mm here at St Peters so parts of the hills must be over the 100mm by now.
4 inches in two days - not bad for dry old SA.....

Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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yeah yeah dont rub it in......

:-)

windy here with TC slipping in from the sea....most shower activity now on
the East side of the ranges
occaisonal shower here..................


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There's been some moderate showers about in Sydney most of the day now,
with some heavy falls in Parramatta now  (3pm). Light E winds.

cheers,

Michael Bath


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Absolutely nothing in Canberra - just grey skies...

At 15:06 24/05/99 , Michael wrote:
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>
>
>There's been some moderate showers about in Sydney most of the day now,
>with some heavy falls in Parramatta now  (3pm). Light E winds.

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From: Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Welcome Rain
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:23:15 +1000
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Not that much rain in Kilsyth over the last few days. 10.4mm in the 72 hours to 9am and another 1.4mm during the day. The city and Laverton have recorded 10mm during the day today and the city was reporting thunder at 3.00pm. Top temp in Melbourne today was 18.0c and it reached 17.4c here in Kilsyth. Dane. BTW that NSW storm chasers site is good, nice to put a face to the names but were are your storm pics.    
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Weak squall line just offshore- Illawarra
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:29:08 +1000
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Monday 5.30pm - In the last hour or so a lovely line of congestus has been
moving towards the Illawarra coast. One of those strange days where you will
find that Penrith or Richmond has had the highest rainfalls. The Cu over the
mountains has been very thick and persistent, but up until 4pm the ocean was
relatively clear and blue skies.

Hardly any wind at all - Lake Illawarra is like a mirror. Very humid close
to 100% I estimate by the amount of mist and sea mist.

Surf has risen from 4ft this morning to 8-10ft now, should be 15ft tomorrow.


Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com


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A.M.0.S.		WEATHERWATCH NEWS - NUMBER 99-1 - MAY 1999

The Next Meeting of the Weatherwatch Group will be on the Wednesday 26th
May 1999 at 7:30pm (19:30) at Macquarie University, Building E5A, Room 143
(Room E5A-143). Note Parking Requires a Fee of $1.00 per Hour, payable to
the Grey Machines which issue a white ticket which must be in clear view
in the windscreen. The ticket shows the expiry time. The main subject of
the meeting is 'RECENT HAIL STORMS'. There will be some discussion about
the "Sydney 99 Hail Storm".

Our Guest Speaker is Mr. Robert Webb of the Sydney Bureau of Meteorology,
Severe Weather Unit. Robert will introduce some theoretical discussion
about the development of thunderstorms and about the formation of hail in
Supercell Thunderstorms. Robert has agreed to discuss the development and
behaviour of the "Sydney 99 Hail Storm" and its representation on the
Radar. Please note Robert is not prepared to discuss the Warning System in
use at the present time, or any legal aspects which may arise.

Radar plots of the day are still available on Jimmy Deguara's
Web Site at http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/
enquiries may be made to jimmy's e-mail
jimmyd at ozemail.com.au

Visitors are very welcome and light refreshments will be available
during the meeting. Future dates of AMOS Meetings and Weatherwatch
Meetings are listed on the AMOS Web Site. at
http://atmos.es.mq,edu.au		Click on AMOS Sydney Centre.

The present policy is to have some meeting every month, usually on
the last Wednesday Evening (this is not always the fourth) Weatherwatch
Meeting Dates are 26th May, 28th July, 29th Sept. and 24th November, 
and possibly a date to be chosen in December. This enables
'Weatherwatchers' to discuss Summer Storms. Please bring suggestions 
in May for discussion on 28th July 1999.

Roger Nurse (Convenor) Alan Williams & Paul Graham (Committee)

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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re; Weather21
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:34:06 +1000
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The problem is this and the last are not your classic East Coast low, but
tropical origin. Both sorts want to head SE when they hit the higher
latitudes, but your classic East Coast low at least forms just offshore, so
you get 24 hours of it doing the dirty. The fact that this low has moved
S/SW is against the normal run, I think it will steer off SE during
tomorrow.

Michael

> Seems those Lows of the East Coast are just letting us down
> lately..........ohh well. Maybe soon!
>



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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Chasing & Storm Development
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:39:48 +1000
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I like that statement, I hope to think that my experience going back to the
1970's look after the 1/2 ART side of things, and with the help of stuff
like internet models and Andrew's Skew T page the 1/2 science is kicking in.

Michael
>
> That's for sure Peter. I think Prof. Howard Bluestein, who has to be
> the most passionate storm researcher / chaser I have ever seen, said
> that severe storm forecasting (and by extension chasing) was 1/2
> science and 1/2 art. I have only been actively chasing storms for two



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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW Storm Chasers Home Page
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:46:17 +1000
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Oh great ! my picture looks like my fly is undone, how am I going to live
this one down.

Michael


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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:55:30 +1000
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone

Another day of very little wind and light rain (1mm since 9am). The
harbour this morning had perfect reflections and all the fishing boats
are still out with this run of north easterly winds and mild weather.
Forecasts have been predicting  thunderstorms and moderate falls of rain
since the low positioned itself south of Adelaide but no sight of any of
that yet.

Chas
Strahan Tasmania



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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re; Weather21
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:19:51 +1000
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That's right, looks like we'll have to rely on those cold fronts for our
lows down here!!

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> From: Michael Thompson 
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re; Weather21
> Date: Monday, 24 May 1999 17:34
> 
> The problem is this and the last are not your classic East Coast low, but
> tropical origin. Both sorts want to head SE when they hit the higher
> latitudes, but your classic East Coast low at least forms just offshore,
so
> you get 24 hours of it doing the dirty. The fact that this low has moved
> S/SW is against the normal run, I think it will steer off SE during
> tomorrow.
> 
> Michael
> 
> > Seems those Lows of the East Coast are just letting us down
> > lately..........ohh well. Maybe soon!
> >
> 
> 
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:44:34 +1000
From: peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au]
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Hi All!

We have now had 25mm rain in 24 hrs at Broadford. Broadford is in the
"North Central" BOM district of Victoria: midway between Seymour &
Kilmour in a north / south line(75kms north of Melbourne up the Hume
Hwy).
Cheers Peter

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