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001 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au The Media Thing/Thought Police
002 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] Paris Storm
003 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Storm Machine is back
004 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] New tornado scale???
005 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Seven day cycle
006 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Seven day cycle
007 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Seven day cycle
008 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
009 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
010 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Storm Machine is back
011 "The Weather Co." [twc at theweather.com.au] Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
012 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Deriving LCL & WBZ
013 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Paris Storm
014 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] Storm off Ulladulla
015 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Deriving LCL & WBZ
016 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Storm Machine is back
017 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
018 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
019 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Can this be believed?
020 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
021 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] Paris Storm
022 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] European Severe Weather
023 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Paris Storm
024 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] (no subject)
025 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Paris severe weather
026 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Jackpot
027 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
028 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Storm off Ulladulla
029 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Can this be believed?
030 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Seven day cycle
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001
From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:02:47 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Media Thing/Thought Police
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Here here!!!
Don White on 30/05/99 20:30:03
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Media Thing/Thought Police
Kevin, Jimmy et al...
Maybe I shouldn't buy into this one either but I believe that we should
not lose sight of the fact that the Aussie-Weather list exists and that
the ASWA grew out of that - and really, they are two separate, even if
interlocking identities and in no way what so ever does the ASWA have
any ownership or responsibility of what goes on "Aussie Weather".
As one involved in the media, I know that it is so thick skinned that
nothing anyone could dream up could ever offend it.... and I am beginnig
to believe that the Bureau too needs to be reminded that it is a public
service, funded entirely by the Austrlaian taxpayers so in a way, we all
should share ownership and therefore have the right to comment.
So, I believe that the Bureau, the media, ASWA or anyone else has no
right to try and restrict what any individual contributor to the Aussie
Weather list might want to sat..... it is the users of the Internet who
have to develop the skills of filtering information and being
sophisocated enough to realise what is fun, what is serious and what is
tongue-in-cheek.
cheers,
Don White
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> Kevin (and the people on the list),
>
> You didn't have to buy into this one as I told people not to.
>
> To tell you the truth, it is often very hard for me to have to try and
> regulate what is being said before things get out of hand. I don't mind
the
> odd joke as people who know me can vouch for that. But when I get
> complaints or when I feel things have gone too far, I feel it is better
to
> remind people of this. As I said, ambiguity is the biggest problem and
some
> things tend to go on too long that people are joining at various times
> under a different meaning. If you want to joke around like in this
> situation then this is what ICQ chat or the other chat has its advantage.
> We, the state reps and comittee have decided that anything on the list
> should be regulated. It is being logged and represents one of the
> activities of ASWA.
>
> It is very difficult to have a list of often shy and intelligent people
> without someone getting offended. So this was an attempt to regulate not
> stop the jokes.
>
> I don't think that being negative to a third party such as the media or
the
> BoM is a joke and is not in the true interests of most on this list. But
> again, we cannot satisfy everybody...
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 00:45 30/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi every1,
> >
> >I hate buying in to these ones but...
> >
> >1. A list is a list is a list....if the FREE exchange of views (no
matter
> >how different, bizarre or misinformed) is not allowed on #weather then
count
> >me OUT! I'm not talking about abusive or tiradical (is that a word?) but
> >much of the joy on this list for me has been the fun that occasionally
> >arises from our interchanges! (Not to mention the amount I've learned!)
> >
> >2. If we start having to suck up to other "interests" maybe we're no
better
> >than those "interests" themselves.
> >
> >3. I love the list. Don't OVER-regulate it!
> >
> >Kevin from (damp) Wycheproof.
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: aus-wx: Paris Storm
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:28:26 PDT
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Does anyone have any information on the severe storm which occurred in Paris
yesterday? The only information I heard (on the radio) was of strong winds
and hail...
- Paul G.
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:06:58 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
Ok, just got word that Storm Machine is back up.. you can now find it
at:
http://www.stormchaser.niu.edu/machine/
When i first tried to plot Australian data, i was getting a map of
Australia but no data.. I emailed him and he replied very quickly:
>>
The good news is that it is there! The bad news is that due to a
software
glitch that probably can't be fixed, you can only grab the data from :35
after the hour to :59 after the hour. Within that time, you'll get as
many
stations as I get off of my data feed.
I hope that helps!
>>
At the moment i can only get Analysis data for Australia, but the
variable list we have to choose from is just UNREAL.. 90% of the data
available on this site for Australia can be accessed no-where else..
If anyone else wants to email Gilbert about the site, you can get in
touch with him at:
sebenste at weather.admin.niu.edu
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: New tornado scale???
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:07:48 +1000
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As an addendum to a now dead topic... the following URL has an interesting photo captioned "Steamdevil"...
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5549/tornado.html
>snip
B1 - Whirly Whirly
B2 - Willy Willy
B2 - Mini Tornado
B4 - Mini Cyclone
B5 - Small Tornado like funnell.
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:58:01 +1000
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Hi Peter,
A am sure many would corroborate your observation, and I can recall many
times where the cycle gets stuck for months on end and is so consistent
that the wet changes occur every weekend. Not so bad for us, but a bummer
for most other folks.
It would be interesting to analyse this in terms of Southern Circumpolar
waves, which was a recent topic on this channel.
John.
-----Original Message-----
From: peter matters [SMTP:pmatters at eck.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, 30 May 1999 20:39
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
Hi All,
>From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
Cheers Peter(didjman)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:41:50 +1000
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At least now I know other people have been thinking the saem thing -
I thought I was going mad :)
At 12:58 31/05/99 , you wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>A am sure many would corroborate your observation, and I can recall many
>times where the cycle gets stuck for months on end and is so consistent
>that the wet changes occur every weekend. Not so bad for us, but a bummer
>for most other folks.
>
>It would be interesting to analyse this in terms of Southern Circumpolar
>waves, which was a recent topic on this channel.
>
>John.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: peter matters [SMTP:pmatters at eck.net.au]
>Sent: Sunday, 30 May 1999 20:39
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
>
>Hi All,
>
>>From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
>Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
>the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
>NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
>
>ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
>Cheers Peter(didjman)
>
>
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Hi every1,
One of my more lucid memories of Met. classes at Melb. Uni. referred to
seven day cycles in Melbourne weather as part of their persistence
forecasting statistics. As I recall in melbourne tomorrow's weather is the
"same" as today's two-thirds of the time and next Tuesday's weather is the
"same" as this Tuesday's weather two-thirds of the time!
I think they checked their numerical models against these two persistence
parameters (amongst others).
I'd normally have associated low-index (slower-moving) synoptic conditions
with summer and autumn however (in Melbourne) rather than winter and spring.
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
>Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:41:50 +1000
>
>At least now I know other people have been thinking the saem thing -
>I thought I was going mad :)
>
>At 12:58 31/05/99 , you wrote:
> >Hi Peter,
> >
> >A am sure many would corroborate your observation, and I can recall many
> >times where the cycle gets stuck for months on end and is so consistent
> >that the wet changes occur every weekend. Not so bad for us, but a
>bummer
> >for most other folks.
> >
> >It would be interesting to analyse this in terms of Southern Circumpolar
> >waves, which was a recent topic on this channel.
> >
> >John.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: peter matters [SMTP:pmatters at eck.net.au]
> >Sent: Sunday, 30 May 1999 20:39
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >>From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> >Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> >the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
> >NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
> >
> >ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> >Cheers Peter(didjman)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
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All up we got nothing, some light drops which did not wet the cement around
8pm and that was all.
I must admit that an Illawarra coast forecast of rain periods with west
winds always amuses me, this is not the first time I have seen such and they
rarely eventuate.
Michael
> It does however include an hourly image (rather than the JCU's
> 3 hourly) and loads very quickly so you get a rapid overview.
> You can just make out the rain shadow effect Michael T has
> been experiencing in this NW cloud band. Any of the animations
> at the moment reveal some degree of dissipation of the cloud band
> as it moves SE across the Great Dividing Range in NSW/Vic.
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:33:36 +1000
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What can happen in late Autumn is large high pressure systems stagnating
over central Australia, a few of these in a row and indeed it appears that a
pattern has emerged. On the other hand we do get events like East Coast lows
that throw all that out the door so to speak. Personally I like the chaos
theory, which means whilst there are general patterns , always expect
something different. A shift in the jet stream and we have a entire new
pattern on our hands.
Michael
>
> >From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
> NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
>
> ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> Cheers Peter(didjman)
>
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Ben, your a legend for keeping track of this one. Finally we have something
we can go by in terms of things like moisture/dry air boundaries and so on.
Of course, we must be careful that we keep in mind that this comes from the
AVN model data and so on. BUt at least there is something available.
Jimmy Deguara
At 12:06 31/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
>
>Ok, just got word that Storm Machine is back up.. you can now find it
>at:
>
>http://www.stormchaser.niu.edu/machine/
>
>When i first tried to plot Australian data, i was getting a map of
>Australia but no data.. I emailed him and he replied very quickly:
>
>>>
>The good news is that it is there! The bad news is that due to a
>software
>glitch that probably can't be fixed, you can only grab the data from :35
>after the hour to :59 after the hour. Within that time, you'll get as
>many
>stations as I get off of my data feed.
>
>I hope that helps!
>>>
>
>At the moment i can only get Analysis data for Australia, but the
>variable list we have to choose from is just UNREAL.. 90% of the data
>available on this site for Australia can be accessed no-where else..
>
>If anyone else wants to email Gilbert about the site, you can get in
>touch with him at:
>
>sebenste at weather.admin.niu.edu
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Michael
It's a difficult one for forecasters as the Illawarra District extends up to
Bowral which often receives rain from the west. However, as we so often see,
it rarely makes it down to the coast.
Mark
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Date: Monday, 31 May 1999 18:08
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
|All up we got nothing, some light drops which did not wet the cement around
|8pm and that was all.
|
|I must admit that an Illawarra coast forecast of rain periods with west
|winds always amuses me, this is not the first time I have seen such and
they
|rarely eventuate.
|
|Michael
|
|> It does however include an hourly image (rather than the JCU's
|> 3 hourly) and loads very quickly so you get a rapid overview.
|> You can just make out the rain shadow effect Michael T has
|> been experiencing in this NW cloud band. Any of the animations
|> at the moment reveal some degree of dissipation of the cloud band
|> as it moves SE across the Great Dividing Range in NSW/Vic.
|>
|
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:51:30 +1000
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Can anyone help me to derive the Lifting Condensing Level (LCL)
and the Web Bulb Zero (WBZ) from basic data such as thickness,
humidity at different levels etc. available from sites that
use model data such as AVN/MRF that one can extract many
parameters from? Also, is the WBZ at the same level as the
zero celcius degree isotherm? I suspect that this is not so.
Thanks in advance.
P.S. Don't be frightened about sending complex formulas or
recommending some book or URL with the necessary info.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Paul Graham wrote:
> Does anyone have any information on the severe storm which occurred in Paris
> yesterday? The only information I heard (on the radio) was of strong winds
> and hail...
> - Paul G.
>
Didn't make the UK news - Paris (France) is prone to nasty weather - thet's why
the built EuroDisney there (:
If your French is up to it try:
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm off Ulladulla
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:55:21 +1000
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I (from wollongong) just saw a flash of lightning to the far south, on
checking the radar there's a developing storm off ulladulla!! There's a
front down there on the synoptic, could be very interesting/freakish. It
reminded me of the Sydney Storm directly because in many ways the initial
circumstances are exactly the same, it's just a bit colder!
It'll prolly stay off shore.
Seen anything Michael T??
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:56:02 +1000
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Hey Michael..
I have some info on WBZ on my site, as well as a small amount of info on
LCL (very basic, don't think it'll help you much)..
www.nemas.net/edu/soundings/soundings.htm
I did come across some more detailed info on WBZ not so long ago, and
bookmarked it so i could add the info to the soundnings page.. but
Netscape spat the dummy not long after and deleted ALL of my bookmarks,
and i didn't back them up after i added the bookmark.. i will try and
track it down for you again ASAP, from memory it had just about
everything you would want to know about the WBZ..
My college has quite a large range of weather related books, some almost
at UNI level by the look of them.. i'll have a dig for you tomorrow and
see what i can find..
Michael Scollay wrote:
>
> Can anyone help me to derive the Lifting Condensing Level (LCL)
> and the Web Bulb Zero (WBZ) from basic data such as thickness,
> humidity at different levels etc. available from sites that
> use model data such as AVN/MRF that one can extract many
> parameters from? Also, is the WBZ at the same level as the
> zero celcius degree isotherm? I suspect that this is not so.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> P.S. Don't be frightened about sending complex formulas or
> recommending some book or URL with the necessary info.
>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:03:34 +1000
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Hey Jimmy..
Yeah it's a great site, i can't wait for summer to roll around so we can
put them all to use.. I am trying to figure out when exactly the
Analysis data is, in Australian time.. can anybody help with this? It's
stamped 0000Z, but i am thinking that is USA Zulu time, as i was looking
at the Analysis for 31st of May this morning at around 11am.. we don't
start to see AVN 0z forecasts from other sources of AVN data on the net
to at least 2pm, or 3pm even..
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> Ben, your a legend for keeping track of this one. Finally we have something
> we can go by in terms of things like moisture/dry air boundaries and so on.
> Of course, we must be careful that we keep in mind that this comes from the
> AVN model data and so on. BUt at least there is something available.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 12:06 31/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
> >
> >Ok, just got word that Storm Machine is back up.. you can now find it
> >at:
> >
> >http://www.stormchaser.niu.edu/machine/
> >
> >When i first tried to plot Australian data, i was getting a map of
> >Australia but no data.. I emailed him and he replied very quickly:
> >
> >>>
> >The good news is that it is there! The bad news is that due to a
> >software
> >glitch that probably can't be fixed, you can only grab the data from :35
> >after the hour to :59 after the hour. Within that time, you'll get as
> >many
> >stations as I get off of my data feed.
> >
> >I hope that helps!
> >>>
> >
> >At the moment i can only get Analysis data for Australia, but the
> >variable list we have to choose from is just UNREAL.. 90% of the data
> >available on this site for Australia can be accessed no-where else..
> >
> >If anyone else wants to email Gilbert about the site, you can get in
> >touch with him at:
> >
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:45:49 +1000
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An interesting observation, Peter, depending on what part of the weather
you are referring to..do you mean temperatures, or the regularity of
cold fronts, or anything else specifically? I should go through my 23
years of data for this location (Seven Hills NSW) and see if there's
anything..for NSW it may be different as we are not always affected by
,for example, cold outbreaks like you would be in Tasmania or Victoria.
For NSW the frequency of east coast lows would be relevant but that
would be from year to year in conjunction with El Nino, I would think.
As for cycles, I am a great believer in the influence of sunspots on
earth's weather. In my humble opinion, far too little weight is given to
astronomical influences (including the earth's precession) by greenhouse
'prophets' in their assessments of the way they fear the world is going
to end. I have observed sunspots through my 10-inch reflecting telescope
and when one considers their sheer size and the area of the sun's
surface they cover, there MUST be a direct effect on earth's weather due
simply to the reduction in solar output (the spots are cooler than the
surroundings, which is why they are visible).
Sorry if that got off the topic a bit but I think these things are
relevant to any regular weather cycles.
peter matters wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> >From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
> NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
>
> ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> Cheers Peter(didjman)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:47:18 +1000
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Aha..would that make an interesting study in probability?
Kevin Phyland wrote:
>
> Hi every1,
>
> One of my more lucid memories of Met. classes at Melb. Uni. referred to
> seven day cycles in Melbourne weather as part of their persistence
> forecasting statistics. As I recall in melbourne tomorrow's weather is the
> "same" as today's two-thirds of the time and next Tuesday's weather is the
> "same" as this Tuesday's weather two-thirds of the time!
>
> I think they checked their numerical models against these two persistence
> parameters (amongst others).
>
> I'd normally have associated low-index (slower-moving) synoptic conditions
> with summer and autumn however (in Melbourne) rather than winter and spring.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
> >From: Chris Maunder
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
> >Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:41:50 +1000
> >
> >At least now I know other people have been thinking the saem thing -
> >I thought I was going mad :)
> >
> >At 12:58 31/05/99 , you wrote:
> > >Hi Peter,
> > >
> > >A am sure many would corroborate your observation, and I can recall many
> > >times where the cycle gets stuck for months on end and is so consistent
> > >that the wet changes occur every weekend. Not so bad for us, but a
> >bummer
> > >for most other folks.
> > >
> > >It would be interesting to analyse this in terms of Southern Circumpolar
> > >waves, which was a recent topic on this channel.
> > >
> > >John.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: peter matters [SMTP:pmatters at eck.net.au]
> > >Sent: Sunday, 30 May 1999 20:39
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
> > >
> > >Hi All,
> > >
> > >>From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> > >Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> > >the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
> > >NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
> > >
> > >ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> > >Cheers Peter(didjman)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:06:43 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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The rain shadow must have gone over much of Sydney as well..the rain
periods simply didn't eventuate although there may have been a few
drops..just another warm and windy night and another overnight minimum
of 17 degrees (before the westerly change dropped it to 15).Meanwhile
the drought index keeps climbing with the assistance of the above
average temperatures.Even though it's used in bushfire assessment I have
kept track of it for the last 14 years as it can be a useful pointer as
to when there will be a major rain event especially if it goes above 100
(out of a theoretical maximum of 203.8mm or 8 inches).(The formula for
its calculation fits roughly the width of an A4 sheet of paper,more if
it's in my handwriting!)
When it gets above 50 grasses usually start to dry out.
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> That 37mm is a lot more than I have had this May, in fact we are well below
> average, even back in Feb - Mar the rain was stopping at Sydney or the
> Hunter.
>
> I am now watering the grass every second day, admit I have a rather poor
> front lawn competing with several palms and mature gum trees.
>
> Large area of rain just west of the Illawarra tonight, the animated loop
> seem to indicate it dies just west of the escarpment. Sort of a rain shadow
> affect.
>
> Michael
>
> > So I'm still hoping June will live up to its reputation of bringing
> > heavy rain to Sydney..for me a clear indication of this is when a cold
> > pool centres over the upper western district of NSW especially Cobar.And
> > with only 37mm here this month (50% of the 50-year average) June is
> > almost sure to be wetter..but the question is, by how much....?
> > (This is one way of ventilating frustration with these dry, depressing
> > westerlies although I can't complain about the warm temperatures..today
> > was the warmest day for the last 5 days of May here since 1982..)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:13:46 +1000
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I thought Bowral was 'officially' in the southern highlands.I know it's
not that far from there to the Illawarra but the climatic distinction
would hardly justify including Bowral in the Illawarra forecasts.But
then I think there has been discussion in this forum as to the whys and
wherefores of official climatic boundaries so I'm quite happy to be
wrong on this one...
"The Weather Co." wrote:
>
> Michael
>
> It's a difficult one for forecasters as the Illawarra District extends up to
> Bowral which often receives rain from the west. However, as we so often see,
> it rarely makes it down to the coast.
> Mark
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> Date: Monday, 31 May 1999 18:08
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
>
> |All up we got nothing, some light drops which did not wet the cement around
> |8pm and that was all.
> |
> |I must admit that an Illawarra coast forecast of rain periods with west
> |winds always amuses me, this is not the first time I have seen such and
> they
> |rarely eventuate.
> |
> |Michael
> |
> |> It does however include an hourly image (rather than the JCU's
> |> 3 hourly) and loads very quickly so you get a rapid overview.
> |> You can just make out the rain shadow effect Michael T has
> |> been experiencing in this NW cloud band. Any of the animations
> |> at the moment reveal some degree of dissipation of the cloud band
> |> as it moves SE across the Great Dividing Range in NSW/Vic.
> |>
> |
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Hi Les & everyone, I tried the French Meteorological Agency, Le Monde and
Radio France International but couldn't find anything. Apparently, the wind
was strong enough to blow over a crane (I think) and hail was also a feature
but I'm not sure what size. If you find any information please post a
message. One of the soundings I looked at seemed favourable for deep
convection - at 12 Z it indicated CAPE at around 1500J/Kg.
Cheers,
Paul.
>From: Les Crossan
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>Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:26:20 +0100
>
>
>
>Paul Graham wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any information on the severe storm which occurred in
>Paris
> > yesterday? The only information I heard (on the radio) was of strong
>winds
> > and hail...
> > - Paul G.
> >
>
>Didn't make the UK news - Paris (France) is prone to nasty weather - thet's
>why
>the built EuroDisney there (:
>
>If your French is up to it try:
>
>http://www.meteo.fr
>
>Les
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:39:50 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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dear all on the list:
A comprehensive web search didn't find anyhing on a severe thunderstorm
in Paris but I found this after hearing it on the BBC news:
Belarus is part of the Russian Federation....
BBC website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news
CNN Europe website
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9905/31/PM-Belarus-StampedeDeath.ap/index.html
Les
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:52:26 +0100
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Paul Graham wrote:
> Hi Les & everyone, I tried the French Meteorological Agency, Le Monde and
> Radio France International but couldn't find anything.
I've posted on the uk.sci.weather newsgroup - watch this space....
Les
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Subject: aus-wx: Illawarra
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Keith
You may be right about the "official" location of Bowral. However, the
Bowral forecast is included in the Illawarra section of the BoM districts,
so this would reflect the emphasis in the forecasts.
IDF05N04
ILLAWARRA
Tonight
Fine. Cool. Fresh southwest to southerly wind, strong at times near the
coast.
Precis and temperatures for Tuesday
Wollongong : Fine, fresh winds
Nowra : Fine
Min:09 Max:17
Bowral : Fine
Min:04 Max:12
It's not unheard of for Bowral to receive snow while Wollongong basks in
(chilly) sunshine. So, bad boundaries are probably more to blams than bad
forecasts.
Mark
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>From: Keith Barnett
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
>Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 9:13 PM
>
> I thought Bowral was 'officially' in the southern highlands.I know it's
> not that far from there to the Illawarra but the climatic distinction
> would hardly justify including Bowral in the Illawarra forecasts.But
> then I think there has been discussion in this forum as to the whys and
> wherefores of official climatic boundaries so I'm quite happy to be
> wrong on this one...
>
> "The Weather Co." wrote:
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> It's a difficult one for forecasters as the Illawarra District extends up to
>> Bowral which often receives rain from the west. However, as we so often see,
>> it rarely makes it down to the coast.
>> Mark
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Thompson
>> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>> Date: Monday, 31 May 1999 18:08
>> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
>>
>> |All up we got nothing, some light drops which did not wet the cement around
>> |8pm and that was all.
>> |
>> |I must admit that an Illawarra coast forecast of rain periods with west
>> |winds always amuses me, this is not the first time I have seen such and
>> they
>> |rarely eventuate.
>> |
>> |Michael
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:38:00 +0100
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dear all on the list
I've got it... my french isn't up 2 much, mind!
Try this link:
http://www.france3.fr/
The Headlines are about thunderstorms in Paris i think!!
Les
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:41:17 +0100
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There's a RA video on this website!
http://www.france3.fr/regions/index.html
Go for 'journal video' after selecting Paris!
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:16:29 +1000
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Sometimes they do a " smarter " forecast in which the highlands is given a
extra mention in the forecast body, usually with the snow scenario, but
sometimes with thundery showers too. As such, I thought well why not all
the time. I should have made that clearer.
Michael
> It's a difficult one for forecasters as the Illawarra District extends up
to
> Bowral which often receives rain from the west. However, as we so often
see,
> it rarely makes it down to the coast.
> Mark
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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I will have to take a look outside.
On my home from I noticed some Cb building over the SE ocean. It appeared to
be the boundary between this dry W/SW wind a moister S/SW wind veer coming
up the coast. The Cb would be getting sheared off to the east fairly easily
as the S/SW would be shallow, and with night coming the W/SW will re
establish and keep everything offshore. As an indicator it may be mean winds
will swing S tomorrow with the outside chance of a coastal shower, but
unlikely as there is very little mositure being picked up. Try the north
coast for that.
Michael
> I (from wollongong) just saw a flash of lightning to the far south, on
> checking the radar there's a developing storm off ulladulla!! There's a
> front down there on the synoptic, could be very interesting/freakish. It
> reminded me of the Sydney Storm directly because in many ways the initial
> circumstances are exactly the same, it's just a bit colder!
>
> It'll prolly stay off shore.
>
> Seen anything Michael T??
>
> --
> Andrew Miskelly
> Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Can this be believed?
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What is the drought index reading at present, Keith ?
Thanks
Michael
> The rain shadow must have gone over much of Sydney as well..the rain
> periods simply didn't eventuate although there may have been a few
> drops..just another warm and windy night and another overnight minimum
> of 17 degrees (before the westerly change dropped it to 15).Meanwhile
> the drought index keeps climbing with the assistance of the above
> average temperatures.Even though it's used in bushfire assessment I have
> kept track of it for the last 14 years as it can be a useful pointer as
> to when there will be a major rain event especially if it goes above 100
> (out of a theoretical maximum of 203.8mm or 8 inches).(The formula for
> its calculation fits roughly the width of an A4 sheet of paper,more if
> it's in my handwriting!)
> When it gets above 50 grasses usually start to dry out.
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > That 37mm is a lot more than I have had this May, in fact we are well
below
> > average, even back in Feb - Mar the rain was stopping at Sydney or the
> > Hunter.
> >
> > I am now watering the grass every second day, admit I have a rather poor
> > front lawn competing with several palms and mature gum trees.
> >
> > Large area of rain just west of the Illawarra tonight, the animated loop
> > seem to indicate it dies just west of the escarpment. Sort of a rain
shadow
> > affect.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > So I'm still hoping June will live up to its reputation of bringing
> > > heavy rain to Sydney..for me a clear indication of this is when a cold
> > > pool centres over the upper western district of NSW especially
Cobar.And
> > > with only 37mm here this month (50% of the 50-year average) June is
> > > almost sure to be wetter..but the question is, by how much....?
> > > (This is one way of ventilating frustration with these dry, depressing
> > > westerlies although I can't complain about the warm
temperatures..today
> > > was the warmest day for the last 5 days of May here since 1982..)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:50:22 +1000
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Hi Keith and all,
I agree with your theories, Keith - I'm also a firm believer of
astronomical influences on the weather. Today, I got into a very nice
argument with my lecturer about the greenhouse effect and that it has a
direct effect on "global warming." My argument is that it is not
occurring to such an extent as many people think, rather such
fluctuations are to be expected by small shifts in the Earth's orbit
around the Sun. And also, sun spots play a large part, especially in
the possible connection with El Nino and La Nina phenoemena - the theory
behind this is that the extra electromagnetic solar radiation emitted
from sun spots, is some how "caught" by oceans, and since they are salt,
(thus ionic) they are able to have a degree of conduction with the
currents in the ocean. This would help explain why such currents
suddenly occur, and also explains how they occur.
I personally believe that it's a truely fascinating concept,
(interaction between astronomical and meteorologicaly processes) and
while I haven't read into it much, certainly plan to in the near future.
My other argument, was that even if the increase in the "greenhouse
gases" did occur, there'd be a negative feedback to help put things into
balance - my main argument was the process of weather and clouds.
Clouds are almost like snow....they're completely white (this is a
common misconception made by some people, all clouds are in fact
completely 100% white) and thus would relflect some of this light/heat
energy back out into space. I also pointed out, that an increase in
temperature would also increase water vapour in some of the air, these
two factors would allow the development of more (and possibly stronger)
tropical cyclones, thunderstorms and tornadoes...all of these require
large amounts of energy to form, although they don't destroy energy,
they just convert energy (eg light and sound from lightning, and much of
the heat energy would be converted into wind energy by a series of
processes."
Anyway, I better not babble on too long!
Anthony from Brisbane
Keith Barnett wrote:
>
> An interesting observation, Peter, depending on what part of the weather
> you are referring to..do you mean temperatures, or the regularity of
> cold fronts, or anything else specifically? I should go through my 23
> years of data for this location (Seven Hills NSW) and see if there's
> anything..for NSW it may be different as we are not always affected by
> ,for example, cold outbreaks like you would be in Tasmania or Victoria.
> For NSW the frequency of east coast lows would be relevant but that
> would be from year to year in conjunction with El Nino, I would think.
> As for cycles, I am a great believer in the influence of sunspots on
> earth's weather. In my humble opinion, far too little weight is given to
> astronomical influences (including the earth's precession) by greenhouse
> 'prophets' in their assessments of the way they fear the world is going
> to end. I have observed sunspots through my 10-inch reflecting telescope
> and when one considers their sheer size and the area of the sun's
> surface they cover, there MUST be a direct effect on earth's weather due
> simply to the reduction in solar output (the spots are cooler than the
> surroundings, which is why they are visible).
> Sorry if that got off the topic a bit but I think these things are
> relevant to any regular weather cycles.
>
> peter matters wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > >From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> > Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> > the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
> > NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
> >
> > ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> > Cheers Peter(didjman)
> >
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