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001 Max [mnk at zip.com.au] Storm off Ulladulla
002 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Storm off Ulladulla
003 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] WA meeting mins
004 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Re: storms off ulludulla
005 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Thunderstorms in Framce - reply from uk.sci.weather!!
006 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Mistake
007 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] Sydney to Hobart
008 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Barometric Tide
009 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Severe storms Netherlands + AMOS meet.
010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Illawarra
011 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Seven day cycle
012 "L.J. & B. Smail" [gws at pipeline.com.au] Melbourne Storm Chasers update
013 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Deriving LCL & WBZ
014 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Radar Update
015 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Glenda & animal/plant life
016 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Max/Min thermometers
017 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Glenda & computer life...
018 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Max/Min thermometers
019 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Photo Comp
020 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Photo submissions for July
021 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
022 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
023 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
024 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
025 "L.J. & B. Smail" [gws at pipeline.com.au] media award
026 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Photo Comp
027 Kevin Burrows [k.burrows at bom.gov.au] Max/Min thermometers
028 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. media award
029 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Photo submissions for July
030 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] WA meeting mins just another suggestion
031 "Chris Gribben" [chrisgribben at hotmail.com] European Severe Weather
032 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Sol's family
033 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] QLD ASWA Meeting
034 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Illawarra
035 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Illawarra
036 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Can this be believed?
037 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
038 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Max/Min thermometers
039 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Sol's family
040 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
041 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Photo submissions for July
042 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney to Hobart
043 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
044 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Can this be believed?
045 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
046 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] I've got hail dents
047 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Seven day cycle
048 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Photo colourisation?
049 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] I've got hail dents
050 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Seven day cycle
051 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] I've got hail dents
052 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Photo colourisation?
053 Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com] Gopher and Strato-Cu Blues
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001
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:45:01 +1000
From: Max [mnk at zip.com.au]
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Hi people,
My name is Max, I've just subscribed to the mailing list, and it makes
interesting reading.
Just thought you might like to know, I was standing out near the old Control
tower at Mascot Airport
somewhere between 8.30 and 9.30pm, and i saw a HUGE flash of lightning way off
to the South.
That may well have been the same one......
Incidentally, can anyone tell me what IRC channel you folk in Sydney use....
thanks.
Michael Thompson wrote:
> I will have to take a look outside.
>
> On my home from I noticed some Cb building over the SE ocean. It appeared to
> be the boundary between this dry W/SW wind a moister S/SW wind veer coming
> up the coast. The Cb would be getting sheared off to the east fairly easily
> as the S/SW would be shallow, and with night coming the W/SW will re
> establish and keep everything offshore. As an indicator it may be mean winds
> will swing S tomorrow with the outside chance of a coastal shower, but
> unlikely as there is very little mositure being picked up. Try the north
> coast for that.
>
> Michael
>
> > I (from wollongong) just saw a flash of lightning to the far south, on
> > checking the radar there's a developing storm off ulladulla!! There's a
> > front down there on the synoptic, could be very interesting/freakish. It
> > reminded me of the Sydney Storm directly because in many ways the initial
> > circumstances are exactly the same, it's just a bit colder!
> >
> > It'll prolly stay off shore.
> >
> > Seen anything Michael T??
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Miskelly
> > Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:52:04 +1000
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From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm off Ulladulla
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Hi Max
There have been a number of small cells moving north westish well out to
sea, so you would have seen a flash from one of those, anyway id like to
welcome you to the list and could you tell us a bit about yourself ?
name/where you come from/weather interests etc.
We hang out on the channel #weather on the austnet server on IRC, theres
usually a couple of people there all day and 1/2 the night :)
Might see you there.
Matthew Smith
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>
>Hi people,
>
>My name is Max, I've just subscribed to the mailing list, and it makes
>interesting reading.
>Just thought you might like to know, I was standing out near the old Control
>tower at Mascot Airport
>somewhere between 8.30 and 9.30pm, and i saw a HUGE flash of lightning way
off
>to the South.
>That may well have been the same one......
>Incidentally, can anyone tell me what IRC channel you folk in Sydney use....
>thanks.
>Michael Thompson wrote:
>
>> I will have to take a look outside.
>>
>> On my home from I noticed some Cb building over the SE ocean. It
appeared to
>> be the boundary between this dry W/SW wind a moister S/SW wind veer coming
>> up the coast. The Cb would be getting sheared off to the east fairly easily
>> as the S/SW would be shallow, and with night coming the W/SW will re
>> establish and keep everything offshore. As an indicator it may be mean
winds
>> will swing S tomorrow with the outside chance of a coastal shower, but
>> unlikely as there is very little mositure being picked up. Try the north
>> coast for that.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> > I (from wollongong) just saw a flash of lightning to the far south, on
>> > checking the radar there's a developing storm off ulladulla!! There's a
>> > front down there on the synoptic, could be very interesting/freakish. It
>> > reminded me of the Sydney Storm directly because in many ways the initial
>> > circumstances are exactly the same, it's just a bit colder!
>> >
>> > It'll prolly stay off shore.
>> >
>> > Seen anything Michael T??
>> >
>> > --
>> > Andrew Miskelly
>> > Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW.
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:34:52 +0800
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From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]
Subject: aus-wx: WA meeting mins
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Minutes for May's WA ASWA meeting
Meeting started at 5:30pm
Attendees: Ira Fehlberg, Greg Spencer, Mike Fewings, Rebekah Hoare,
Mark Dwyer, Jacob Aufdemkampe.
No Business was brought forward from last meeting except the issue of those
who haven't yet paid their memberships.
Barry Hanstrum from the WA BOM will be attending our next meeting, so we
discussed what we want in terms of the relationship between ASWA and the
BOM here in WA. These points will be put to Barry at our next meeting.
Points raised were:
Recognition that we are an association.
*The wish for our reports to be taken seriously in the wake of the Sydney
Hailstorm issue.
We all agreed that we wouldn't be phoning the BOM with inappropriate
information, however if two or more of us conferred and agreed a warning or
forecast has been over looked than a phone call would be made with us
identifying ourselves as ASWA members.
Damage assessment program.
*We want to offer our time to help the BOM with accurate reporting of storm
damage, as the do not have the manpower to always do this.
Storm Spotters Re-vamp.
*The storm spotters program has been quite for a long time over here and we
would like to see a re-vamp of the program even if this involves us taking
some of the workload ourselves.
At this stage of the evening we took a break to watch "Savage Skies" on
channel 9 featuring tornadoes and lightning.
Resuming the meeting Rebekah brought forward a good point about the
information, or lack of, for those interested in the weather but don't have
a great knowledge of it but wish to learn more. Several members' homepages
contain this info but we all felt that ASWA needs to have something like
this available at the ASWA site. For the average person visiting the site
there really isn't any information about weather patterns, storms or
tornadoes in Australia. The point was also made that this information is
state specific. Most states have their own sites but we all fell that this
information needs to be integrated into the ASWA site. Greg, Jacob and
myself agreed to put together a WA wing of the ASWA site.
Another point was made by Mike about the storm report page on the ASWA. It
was suggested and agreed by all that it is very big and difficult to fill
out. Whilst it is an excellent idea that should remain, all agreed that
they may not fill it out after every event due to the time it takes. It was
suggested that maybe a simpler version could be made?
We also wondered where the information is going to and where it is to be
used? All agreed that they would be more likely to fill out such forms if
the information was put together and made visible at the ASWA site.
We also discussed the possibility of social evenings or days out for
members to get together outside of weather issues. All agreed that we would
hook up to go and see the new Star Wars movie.
Meeting closed at 9:30pm
Ira Fehlberg
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 01:00:59 +1000
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From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Re: storms off ulludulla
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Doh! i meant North East!, sorry for any confusion
Matt Smith
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:20:19 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Subject: aus-wx: Thunderstorms in Framce - reply from uk.sci.weather!!
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dear list -
This is what your'e looking for!!
Jon Witty wrote:
> PARIS, May 30 (AFP) - A freak hail and rain storm battered the
> Paris area on Sunday, killing a 12-year-old girl and injuring at
> least 12 people, rescue workers said.
> Winds gusting at 112 kph (70 mph) toppled a crane at a
> construction site in the northeastern suburb of Aubervilliers,
> sending it crashing into a parked car where the girl was
> sheltering.
> Eight people were hospitalized with serious injuries, including
> a man who had been trapped in a building hit by the same crane.
> Six cyclists were injured, three seriously, by a tree which
> crashed on a bus shelter where they had sought refuge from the
> storm.
> Fire services received emergency calls at the rate of 1,000 per
> hour compared to a normal rate of 4,500 a day.
> Some 110,000 households remained without electricity in
> mid-afternoon due to power cuts after the basement area of a power
> station was flooded and other power sources had to be cut off
> temporarily for safety reasons.
> "It was an unusual storm for the season and the time of day," a
> French meteorologist said, adding that the sudden arrival of a heavy
> dark cloud cover over Paris "gave the impression that night had
> fallen at midday."
> A suburban rail connection was disrupted when the storm damaged
> overhead electric power cables, and drivers had to take refuge on
> the roofs of their vehicles in a flooded Paris underpass.
> At Roland Garros, less than an hour before the French Open
> tennis was set to start, the storm flooded many courts and cut power
> throughout the facility.
> The Alma-Marceau metro station was under 30 centimeters (one
> foot) of water, and several road tunnels in the capital were
> unpassable.
>
> In article <37526A67.948E71D at virgin.net>, Les Crossan
> writes
> >dear list -
> >
> >Does anyone know of the severe weather event that occured in Paris
> >yesterday - large hail and strong winds apparently!!!
> >
> >My australian friends at Australian Severe Weather heard the news on the
> >radio but I can't find any references....
> >
> >Les - UK stormchaser and Torro member.
> >
>
> --
> Jon Witty
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:28:19 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Apologies for sending a jpeg of the Paris severe storm to the list....
Anyone wanting it - email me.
Looks like a pulse severe storm.
Les
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:54:34 +1000
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone
A report on commercial television last night, from the Cruising Yacht Club(?) in a sailing magazine, blaming the crews of the yachts in the Sydney to Hobart for the trouble they got into. It also stated that there were inaccuracies in the met reports and they were critical of the way met reports were issued.
Has anybody read the magazine article?
It looks to me in the preliminary Met report that the BOM released its forecasts accurately and with plenty of warning time. I am sure there are not too many of us who would go to sea heading into a area of gale and storm warnings!
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Barometric Tide
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:30:36 +1000 (EST)
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>
> On Wed, 26 May 1999 07:26:08 +1000, "W.A. (Bill) Webb"
> wrote:
>
>
> >Still, is a common misconception - many in NQ erroneously think the low
> >pressure of a cyclone contributes to the height of an accompanying storm
> >surge!
>
> Not a misconception, Bill. Storm surges are one of the most
> life-threatening aspects of tropical and extra-tropical cyclones, and
> are caused by (a) the effects of continued wind "piling up" water onto
> a coastline, (b) the shape of a coastline in funnelling and enhancing
> the "piling up" effect, and (c) the greater height of the whole body
> of water due to low atmospheric pressure.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the relative contribution of
(a) and (b) was around 90%, and (c) around 10% - this would presumably
depend a fair bit on the relative wind speeds vis-a-vis central
pressure and the configuration of the coastline.
> It doesn't only happen in tropical cyclones, either. The 1952(?) North
> Sea surge which caused massive flooding down the east coast of England
> was due to a deep near-stationary low north of Scotland bringing days
> of strong northerly winds across the North Sea. The low pressure
> (around 970hPa on the east coast) together with the wind piling water
> into the narrowing southern section of the North Sea, resulted in
> exceptionally high tides, broken sea defences, and breaking waves
> running many km inlands.
>
> --
> Laurier Williams
> Australian Weather Links and News
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
The North Sea is unusually vulnerable to this - there aren't many
places in the higher latitudes where there is a flat coastline
exposed to the west or north (contrast with, for example, Norway,
Oregon/Washington/British Columbia, Chile and New Zealand - all highly
mountainous). Worth noting here is that, despite what the Anglo-
centric media of the time would have presumably emphasised, the 1953
event caused far more damage and loss of life in Holland than it did
in Britain. There was also a major coastal flooding event in northern
Germany/western Denmark in January 1976, although I think loss of life
was minimal - these areas are no stranger to coastal flooding and most
settlements are well inland.
I've also seen substantial (~2 m) storm surges in Port Phillip Bay
during an episode of prolonged gale- to storm-force W/SW winds in
November 1994. I'd imagine that, given the configuration of the coast,
Spencer Gulf (and to a lesser extent St. Vincent, although Kangaroo
Island would provide some level of protection) could be vulnerable to
a storm surge in the right sort of winter S/SW flow (say, with a deep
cutoff centred east of Adelaide) - can any SA readers remember this
happening?
Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe storms Netherlands + AMOS meet.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:39:53 +1000 (EST)
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>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I was interested to find a page which has some severe storm reports (of
> sorts) from the Netherlands + links to what seem to be a few other
> chaser pages (my Dutch is of the double variety so I can't read much of
> it). One particular storm, a classic supercell at the time given the
> hook echo which is apparent on radar, occurred on June 6 1998 and
> produced hail to 10 cm and a tornado (no pics!):
>
> http://haven.www.cistron.nl/06june98.htm
>
> Also, on one of the linked sites, I found a few photos of a shelf cloud
> ahead of what may have been a squall line - looks pretty impressive
> too:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5549/severe.html
>
> (one of the Dutch sites did link to the ASW URL and to those of a few
> other aussie storm related sites)
>
> When I was in Germany a few years back (August 96) there were several
> consecutive days of storms, one storm in particular, which moved
> through the Berlin area, had a really spectacular gustfront with
> intense lightning and a dense precipitation curtain - looked severe.
> Since then I have always wondered how western Europe fared in terms of
> severe thunderstorm events compared with eastern Australia. Based on
> the model data I have been looking at, it would seem that our spring
> summer atmosphere is more often conducive to deep convection but I
> guess wherever the right conditions come together you will get some
> some significant storms, as was the case there on the 6/6 (there is a
> modified sounding for the day in question on one of the sites - I think
> CAPE was around 2500 J/kg).
Germany and Switzerland, in particular, get their share of thudnerstorms
from my experience (in late August-early September 1994 I experienced
seven separate thunderstorms in 48 hours near St. Moritz); one would
imagine the risk would remain as one went further east. Scandinavia
can also get severe storms - there was a damaging tornado in Gavle
(Sweden) in July 1994, and I saw one of the more impressive hailstorms
of my experience (not being from Sydney, this means the stones were
topping out at 2-3 cm) south of Trondheim (Norway) last August.
Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Illawarra
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:48:15 +1000 (EST)
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>
> Keith
>
> You may be right about the "official" location of Bowral. However, the
> Bowral forecast is included in the Illawarra section of the BoM districts,
> so this would reflect the emphasis in the forecasts.
>
> IDF05N04
> ILLAWARRA
> Tonight
> Fine. Cool. Fresh southwest to southerly wind, strong at times near the
> coast.
>
> Precis and temperatures for Tuesday
> Wollongong : Fine, fresh winds
> Nowra : Fine
> Min:09 Max:17
> Bowral : Fine
> Min:04 Max:12
>
> It's not unheard of for Bowral to receive snow while Wollongong basks in
> (chilly) sunshine. So, bad boundaries are probably more to blams than bad
> forecasts.
> Mark
This one's actually vaguely defensible on rainfall grounds - Bowral is
far enough east to get much of its rain from the east, unlike locations
further west in the Southern Highlands. (The same logic applies to
locations like Braidwood and Nerriga, which are classified in South
Coast). Of course, once one extends to elements other than rain, the
district boundaries are very dicey.
As previously remarked, district boundaries are essentially set in
stone - I get the distinct impression it would be bureaucratically
easier to move Bowral brick by brick to a location in district 70
than it would be to change the boundaries to include Bowral in that
district!
Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:52:37 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research
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Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> Hi Keith and all,
>
> I agree with your theories, Keith - I'm also a firm believer of
> astronomical influences on the weather...
Aus-wx colleagues! Time for another thread:-) Just think
that without old Sol and our fortunate orbital position,
we live and have reasonable weather for living because;
1) Unlike many recently discovered planetary systems, we
don't have huge gaseous giants close in to mop up all those
nice Class-M (Earth-like) planets.
2) Sol is comparatively stable and long-lived. That's a
fine recipe for the evolution of Life On Earth.
3) Earth's orbit is remarkably stable in that it is not
too elliptical.
4) Rotating every 24hrs or so is just nice for our
position in space to allow our weather cycles (based
on H2O) not to become too extreme. Just think of the
consequences if this was a week. Those "cycles" would
be more extreme, I think:-)
5) Earth's axis of tilt is also not too extreme. Just think
what it would be like if we rolled around our orbit like
Neptune (?).
6) Our mixture of atmospheric gases is about right provided
we don't overdo those greenhouse ones and cook like Venus.
We had a horrible mixture in early days that seems to be
the right mixture for carbon-based basic building blocks
of life. Evidence has mounted supporting the notion that
life itself has played a critical part to derive the final
mixture of atmospheric gases.
7) Take awat Sol and we'd become a lovely icy planet.
It seems to me that astronomical influences are fact and
never open to debate. Now as to precisely what astronomical
perturbations have in stall for us? That is an issue open
to much research and potential constructive debate.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Dear Jane,
Could you please forward this month's radar code as it has been changed by
the BoM. Thanks, Lindsay
At 09:18 PM 19-05-99 +1000, you wrote:
>There have been some updates to the MSC reports as follows at:
>http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/
>
>28th January
>2nd March
>3rd March (HAIL!!!!! Jimmy )
>15th May (summary but pics should be up by the weekend)
>
>Jane
>Bayswater, Melbourne
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:03:16 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Thanks Ben,
By the way, great site and work. I've trolled through it. It surprises me
that "the models" don't work these parameters out but I sense that a
solution is not too far away.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
Ben Quinn wrote:
>
> Hey Michael..
>
> I have some info on WBZ on my site, as well as a small amount of info on
> LCL (very basic, don't think it'll help you much)..
>
> www.nemas.net/edu/soundings/soundings.htm
>
> I did come across some more detailed info on WBZ not so long ago, and
> bookmarked it so i could add the info to the soundnings page.. but
> Netscape spat the dummy not long after and deleted ALL of my bookmarks,
> and i didn't back them up after i added the bookmark.. i will try and
> track it down for you again ASAP, from memory it had just about
> everything you would want to know about the WBZ..
>
> My college has quite a large range of weather related books, some almost
> at UNI level by the look of them.. i'll have a dig for you tomorrow and
> see what i can find..
>
> Michael Scollay wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone help me to derive the Lifting Condensing Level (LCL)
> > and the Web Bulb Zero (WBZ) from basic data such as thickness,
> > humidity at different levels etc. available from sites that
> > use model data such as AVN/MRF that one can extract many
> > parameters from? Also, is the WBZ at the same level as the
> > zero celcius degree isotherm? I suspect that this is not so.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > P.S. Don't be frightened about sending complex formulas or
> > recommending some book or URL with the necessary info.
> >
> > Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:08:00 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
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Hi all,
As some of you may be aware, the radar password changed this
morning.
If by chance you still have authorization fail you will need
to either go through the ASWA Inc. site at
http://www.severeweather.asn.au/members/membersarena/
or if you have that page open already, reload it while
keeping your finger firmly pressed of the shift key on your
keyboard.
If both of these things fail you can contact me at
webmaster at severeweather.asn.au
Thanks
--
Michael Fewings
Strike One Lightning Photos
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:47:53 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Hi Everyone,
I am back online after two weeks away. I had computer problems,
processor fan playing up and some monitor problems (dropper resistor and
dry joints on the crt board), whatever that is. Does anyone else have
computer problems in cold climate areas? Let me know if you have any
hints etc on looking after computers in such climates. We get a LOT of
condensation up here and my computer room gets VERY cold over night as I
have wooden floor boards.
Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:54:21 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Can anyone help me with a max/min thermometer problem.
The marker keeps sliding down on the maximum side, so it is hard to get
an accurate reading. It's one of those push button ones, that you reset
daily. When I turn it upside down and let the markers "Drain" to the top
of the thermometer and then release them, it seems to help somewhat but
the problem seems to persist. What is the process involved in these
thermometers? How do they work?
Does anyone know of places that I can purchase a moderately priced
max/min thermometer if this one ends up being stuffed?
Also, apologies if I haven't got back to anyone that has emailed me. As
I said, I've been out of action for two weeks.
Lindsay Pearce
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Glenda & computer life...
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:32:17 +1000
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Hi Glenda,
I used to live on the South side of a wet & cold gully at Hornsby in a
dense Bush situation - no sun in winter lots of damp, moss & mould. In
fact, after rain, it was not uncommon to find Leaches on the back deck, the
boards of which would rot through in around 2 years. I found that I had
huge problems with Hard Disk drives - they really object to condensing
atmospheres and irregular use. I literally have a carton full of dead hard
drives spanning every major manufacturer - none of which lasted longer than
18 months. Mode of failure was always difficulty booting up the drive
followed by spin down after a gradually shortening period of time -
eventually the disks dying altogether. I figured it was the damp getting
into the drive electronics but how this leads to permanent failure is still
a mystery.
Computers like to be kept warm (10C...35C) & dry (non-condensing
atmosphere), or simply left switched on, where the internally generated
heat & airflow will do the trick.
Just to keep this weather related... Brisbane is a great place for
computers (and living...), although the weather at this time of year
becomes something of a dry topic :). Current situation Fine, 1/8 cloud
cover, Gentle SW wind, temp around 22C.
John.
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Hi Everyone,
I am back online after two weeks away. I had computer problems,
processor fan playing up and some monitor problems (dropper resistor and
dry joints on the crt board), whatever that is. Does anyone else have
computer problems in cold climate areas? Let me know if you have any
hints etc on looking after computers in such climates. We get a LOT of
condensation up here and my computer room gets VERY cold over night as I
have wooden floor boards.
Lindsay Pearce
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Max/Min thermometers
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:53:48 +1000
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Hi Lindsay,
The sliders are made of a magnetic material. A small magnet or magnetic
strip is attached to the button, such that it adds sufficient friction to
slider movement to stop them from falling. When you push in the button the
strip is pushed away and the sliders can move more easily.
This whole mechanism is not very robust and rather delicately balanced.
Vibration or poor construction can result in the sliders moving when they
shouldn't - or worse, not moving when they should, resulting in them
drowning in the Mercury column (Very difficult to fix).
I have tried several of the cheaper variety (after having first calibrated
them against a digital thermometer for accuracy - most of them are anything
up to a couple of degrees out) and typically the min column reading does
not exactly match the max column reading at any given temperature - again
highlighting their inaccuracy.
Better quality max/min thermometers use the opposite approach. You have
small hand held magnet to drag the sliders down to reset them. These days
I think a digital electronic thermometer with outside sensor is probably
the way to go if you can afford it - I'd be curious as to what the BoM
thinks of this.
John.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Max/Min thermometers
Can anyone help me with a max/min thermometer problem.
The marker keeps sliding down on the maximum side, so it is hard to get
an accurate reading. It's one of those push button ones, that you reset
daily. When I turn it upside down and let the markers "Drain" to the top
of the thermometer and then release them, it seems to help somewhat but
the problem seems to persist. What is the process involved in these
thermometers? How do they work?
Does anyone know of places that I can purchase a moderately priced
max/min thermometer if this one ends up being stuffed?
Also, apologies if I haven't got back to anyone that has emailed me. As
I said, I've been out of action for two weeks.
Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:03:05 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
Organization: Strike One Lightning Photos
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Hi all,
This June submissions are up for viewing and voting in the
ASWA Inc. Photo Competition.
Also the Winners of the May competition are now available
for viewing .
I wish to congratulate all of the people who submitted
photos and to the three that are in the
ASWA Inc. Photo Hall Of Fame for May
Well done. Its a pleasure to have your photos represent
Australian weather photography.
--
Michael Fewings
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:12:39 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
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Hi all,
Submissions are now open for the July photo competition.
July's theme is "Winter Clouds."
If you have a photo of a winter cloud you should submit it
to
webmaster at severeweather.asn.au
Please note,
1. Photos not on the theme will not be voted on so please
make sure they are of winter clouds.
2. Photo submissions close on the 26th of June at midnight.
3. Please make the width of the photo 400 pixels or if you
can't do that do make sure it is greater and I will scale it
down to size.
4. Please ensure it is in JPG format as well.
Good luck to you all
--
Michael Fewings
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: aus-wx: Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 04:24:47 GMT
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I've just updated my website to carry noteworthy weather observations.
These are available in near real-time from my Bureau of Meteorology
data feed. There's also a one-week archive, but right now it only goes
back to last Wednesday.
The data is updated hourly at about 20 minutes past the hour, and is
in two reports:
Synoptic observations are the 3-hourly reports that come in from the
Bureau's Australian synoptic network. Any observation which shows
significant weather (defined in the heading of the report) will appear
here -- heavy rain, strong winds, noteworthy weather (like
thunderstorms or snow), or abnormally high/low temperatures or rapid
barometer changes.
AWS observations come in hourly or half hourly, and more often when
significant weather conditions occur. An obs will appear here if the
wind gusts to 45 knots or more, or there is 1.0mm or more of rain in
the past 10 minutes.
I'd strongly suggest you read the "important information" link, even
if you can figure out what you're looking at on the reports.
I hope everyone on the list finds these useful. They should get often
unobtainable but relevant data into your hands as events are
occurring, with a short archive to help you download the data to study
at your liesure.
It's taken nearly 3 months working with the Bureau to ascertain
whether distribution of the data like this complies with the Bureau's
still-uncertain secondary distribution policy. All I can say is that I
believe that it does at present, but things will hopefully be
clarified soon. The Bureau is holding a meeting with commercial
providers, to which I've been invited, on 10 June to discuss these
issues, so more should be known then. Any comments you have on the
usefulness of this sort of data would be appreciated by me, too, as I
may have to make a case for its retention.
I've also written a fairly lengthy briefing article for Australian
Weather News on the current state of play in the Bureau's data access
policy -- worth reading if you were interested in the recent thread on
this list about this.
For now, enjoy! (Always subject to my computer not spitting the dummy
;-)
Any questions? Just reply to this thread.
--
Laurier Williams
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From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:41:22 +1000
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Well done Laurier!
On another note I hope all the regular Weather 21 viewers have noted the
automated computer displays.....very very good....inlcuding rainfall for
previous months, chance of rain in upcoming months etc etc. Excellent!
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Cant wait till weather21 makes it to Australia's capital cities, all the
talk about it here on the list has made me itchy to get a look at it seeing
as i have foxtel!
Matt Smith
>
>
>Well done Laurier!
>
>On another note I hope all the regular Weather 21 viewers have noted the
>automated computer displays.....very very good....inlcuding rainfall for
>previous months, chance of rain in upcoming months etc etc. Excellent!
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:49:21 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Laurier Williams wrote:
>
> I've just updated my website to carry noteworthy weather observations.
[snip]
Thanks a squillion, Laurier. I'm running out of bookmark space.
On the subject of access to BoM data etc. Not only would I
mind being involved somehow as the voluntary ASWA archiver
of satpics and radar (I can say that now:-) but I'd also
like to see all BoM data as freely open as possible. Of
priority interest is BoM model data (LAPS, MesoLAPS, GASP)
and HI-res satpics (~4km). Access to these might prevent
my venturing to US model sites (NOGAPS, MRF, AVN) as prime
model data source and NPMOC for gmsd and gmsc satpics. I'm
all into "Buy Australian" provided it offers superior value.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Subject: aus-wx: media award
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Istead of all the BoM-bashing why don't we offer an annual award for media
excellence in weather reporting? Just a thought...
Lindsay Smail.
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What's the URL??
At 14:03 1/06/99 , you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>This June submissions are up for viewing and voting in the
>ASWA Inc. Photo Competition.
>
>Also the Winners of the May competition are now available
>for viewing .
>
>I wish to congratulate all of the people who submitted
>photos and to the three that are in the
>
>ASWA Inc. Photo Hall Of Fame for May
>
>Well done. Its a pleasure to have your photos represent
>Australian weather photography.
>--
>Michael Fewings
>Strike One Lightning Photos
>http://strikeone.com.au
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Hi All,
At 13:53 1/06/1999 +1000, John wrote:
>Hi Lindsay,
>
>Better quality max/min thermometers use the opposite approach. You have
>small hand held magnet to drag the sliders down to reset them. These days
>I think a digital electronic thermometer with outside sensor is probably
>the way to go if you can afford it - I'd be curious as to what the BoM
>thinks of this.
>
The Bureau of Meteorology uses separate maximum and minimum thermometers.
The Maximums thermometers are mercury in glass with a small constriction
that breaks when the temperature falls (just like a medical thermometer).
The minimum thermometers are alcohol in glass with an index that is dragged
down to indicate the lowest temperature.
The cost of these thermometers are well over $100 each and meet an
Australian Standard for meteorological thermometers.
Thermometers are located in a Stevenson Screen designed to shade the
thermometer from direct and reflected sunshine, but allow a free flow of
air through the screen so that the thermometers can measure air temperature.
The thermometer you are talking about is a Six's pattern thermometer
designed by a Mr J Six. As has been previously mentioned they are not as
accurate as the individual thermometers.
In addition to glass thermometers that need to be read by humans the BOM
uses platinum resistance thermometers in automatic weather stations.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:04:00 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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"L.J. & B. Smail" wrote:
>
> Instead of all the BoM-bashing why don't we offer an annual award for
> media excellence in weather reporting? Just a thought...
I think that this might mean;
1) Only bash the BoM and/or media when facts confirm first:-)
2) A decision is required as to "who" awards;
a) The BoM, for excellence in weather advice to the media
b) The media, for excellence in reporting such advice.
3) "who" needs to be independant of the BoM and media.
Cheers,
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
P.S. Above all, the "list" besides being an open forum, must strive
to remain constructive when it comes to progress forward in regard
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Photo submissions for July
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:30:20 +1000
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Hmmm Michael,
How do you define "Winter clouds"??
A winter cloud in QLD might well look like a summer cloud in Victoria...
And to not discriminate against members who don't live in the Antarctic
regions of Australia :) surely the definition should be any cloud photo
taken in Winter (ah but how do you then prove that???)
At our last ASWA meeting we had talked about requiring photo's to have been
taken in the same month (but any year) as the month of the competition -
and then using the winners in an annual 12 month "ASWA" calendar (which
could also be a revenue source). Anthony - were these suggestions ever
forwarded??
Now, onto the June selections, would I perhaps dare to suggest that just a
tincy bit of colour enhancement may have been added curtesy paintshop pro
or some similar tool?? Is this fair game? Me thinks that after voting is
complete, winners should be required to make an original print available so
that the judges can then ensure that it is a reasonably close approximation
to the colours in the photo as submitted. (thinks - what if it is from a
digital camera??). Any photos which clearly have been "enhanced" should be
dumped in the "Dungeon of Disgrace".
John W.
>snip
Submissions are now open for the July photo competition.
July's theme is "Winter Clouds."
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WA meeting mins just another suggestion
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Hi Ira and WA members as well as the rest of the list,
Jimmy here.
I think the point raised in the WA meeting about filling in the storm
report is a valid one. I have brought it up a couple of times here in the
NSW meeting. My suggestion was to actually give someone the job of taking
charge of the page. They will research and manually fill in that page any
storm reports that came over the list and then this makes sure that is
actually entered. The person or persons has to be one who is willing to do
this and is always subscribed to the list and checks in daily.
What do people think? Is this a reasonable idea or are there other ideas. I
think the problem has to be solved by the next season. We can also simplify
the page somewhat but I don't think that the problem will be fully solved.
Sometimes, information comes in bits and pieces and someone can then make
the entries....
Come one, any ideas and are there anyone who would like to volunteer for
the job?
Jimmy Deguara
At 10:34 31/05/99 +0800, you wrote:
>Minutes for May's WA ASWA meeting
>
>Meeting started at 5:30pm
>
>Attendees: Ira Fehlberg, Greg Spencer, Mike Fewings, Rebekah Hoare,
> Mark Dwyer, Jacob Aufdemkampe.
>
>No Business was brought forward from last meeting except the issue of those
>who haven't yet paid their memberships.
>
>Barry Hanstrum from the WA BOM will be attending our next meeting, so we
>discussed what we want in terms of the relationship between ASWA and the
>BOM here in WA. These points will be put to Barry at our next meeting.
>
>Points raised were:
>
>Recognition that we are an association.
>*The wish for our reports to be taken seriously in the wake of the Sydney
>Hailstorm issue.
>We all agreed that we wouldn't be phoning the BOM with inappropriate
>information, however if two or more of us conferred and agreed a warning or
>forecast has been over looked than a phone call would be made with us
>identifying ourselves as ASWA members.
>
>Damage assessment program.
>*We want to offer our time to help the BOM with accurate reporting of storm
>damage, as the do not have the manpower to always do this.
>
>Storm Spotters Re-vamp.
>*The storm spotters program has been quite for a long time over here and we
>would like to see a re-vamp of the program even if this involves us taking
>some of the workload ourselves.
>
>At this stage of the evening we took a break to watch "Savage Skies" on
>channel 9 featuring tornadoes and lightning.
>
>Resuming the meeting Rebekah brought forward a good point about the
>information, or lack of, for those interested in the weather but don't have
>a great knowledge of it but wish to learn more. Several members' homepages
>contain this info but we all felt that ASWA needs to have something like
>this available at the ASWA site. For the average person visiting the site
>there really isn't any information about weather patterns, storms or
>tornadoes in Australia. The point was also made that this information is
>state specific. Most states have their own sites but we all fell that this
>information needs to be integrated into the ASWA site. Greg, Jacob and
>myself agreed to put together a WA wing of the ASWA site.
>
>Another point was made by Mike about the storm report page on the ASWA. It
>was suggested and agreed by all that it is very big and difficult to fill
>out. Whilst it is an excellent idea that should remain, all agreed that
>they may not fill it out after every event due to the time it takes. It was
>suggested that maybe a simpler version could be made?
>We also wondered where the information is going to and where it is to be
>used? All agreed that they would be more likely to fill out such forms if
>the information was put together and made visible at the ASWA site.
>
>We also discussed the possibility of social evenings or days out for
>members to get together outside of weather issues. All agreed that we would
>hook up to go and see the new Star Wars movie.
>
>Meeting closed at 9:30pm
>
>
> Ira Fehlberg
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Hi Les and everyone else :),
I just thought I'd relate my storm experiences, at least, what I can recall
of them, both in England from 1980-83 and in Europe during 1993
I can recall quite a few decent storms in England, specifically Lincoln,
during the early 80s. I can't remember any news about the 1981 tornado
outbreak unfortunately. The southerly wind in England is very humid - coming
from a mix of the heat in Spain as well as the moistness from the warm water
that reaches the SW coast areas. I can remember some spectacular storms -
including one where the sky was an orange colour - due to the pollution on
doubt - but it was truly spectacular.
I also saw some awesome storms in the Dordogne regoin of France ( have a few
photos) and several spectacular night-time ones in southern Germany.
although the air temps never got above 28-30C, the humidity would've been
around 60% or so on both occasions. One of the southern Germany storms was a
t night and was spectacular - lightning every 2 seconds or so.
I'm surprised that we do not hear more from Europe in their summer months -
conditions can be very favourable for severe storms, plenty of temperature
contrasts in the area, some useful DP's occasionally as well as a couple of
major mountain ranges - and in high summer there is easily enough solar
heating on many days - even in England - no offence :)
Chris Gribben
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Hey Michael!
>5) Earth's axis of tilt is also not too extreme. Just think
>what it would be like if we rolled around our orbit like
>Neptune (?).
I think it's Uranus! (definitely no pun intended!) :)
98 deg. axial tilt, I believe.
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:48:44 +1000
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Hi all!
Just a reminder that this Saturday, the 5th of June is the QLD ASWA
meeting, there's a reasonable amount to talk about and organise at this
meeting. Michael Bath (the President of the Australian Severe Weather
Association) will also be joining us!
For those new to the list, the address is: Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner.
The meeting is scheduled for 10am.
Please email me at cyclone at rmitel.com.au or phone me on (07) 3390 4812
if you are able to attend.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:34:13 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Oh well, there's another gap filled in my education...maybe it's the
press I keep hearing that refer to Bowral in the 'southern highlands'
especially if they are talking about tulip festivals or snowfalls...
Mark Hardy wrote:
>
> Keith
>
> You may be right about the "official" location of Bowral. However, the
> Bowral forecast is included in the Illawarra section of the BoM districts,
> so this would reflect the emphasis in the forecasts.
>
> IDF05N04
> ILLAWARRA
> Tonight
> Fine. Cool. Fresh southwest to southerly wind, strong at times near the
> coast.
>
> Precis and temperatures for Tuesday
> Wollongong : Fine, fresh winds
> Nowra : Fine
> Min:09 Max:17
> Bowral : Fine
> Min:04 Max:12
>
> It's not unheard of for Bowral to receive snow while Wollongong basks in
> (chilly) sunshine. So, bad boundaries are probably more to blams than bad
> forecasts.
> Mark
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> ----------
> >From: Keith Barnett
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
> >Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 9:13 PM
> >
>
> > I thought Bowral was 'officially' in the southern highlands.I know it's
> > not that far from there to the Illawarra but the climatic distinction
> > would hardly justify including Bowral in the Illawarra forecasts.But
> > then I think there has been discussion in this forum as to the whys and
> > wherefores of official climatic boundaries so I'm quite happy to be
> > wrong on this one...
> >
> > "The Weather Co." wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> It's a difficult one for forecasters as the Illawarra District extends up to
> >> Bowral which often receives rain from the west. However, as we so often see,
> >> it rarely makes it down to the coast.
> >> Mark
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Michael Thompson
> >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >> Date: Monday, 31 May 1999 18:08
> >> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice satellite loop + Canberra rain
> >>
> >> |All up we got nothing, some light drops which did not wet the cement around
> >> |8pm and that was all.
> >> |
> >> |I must admit that an Illawarra coast forecast of rain periods with west
> >> |winds always amuses me, this is not the first time I have seen such and
> >> they
> >> |rarely eventuate.
> >> |
> >> |Michael
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:35:41 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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As an employee of the NSW Public Service I sympathise entirely!
Blair Trewin wrote:
>
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > You may be right about the "official" location of Bowral. However, the
> > Bowral forecast is included in the Illawarra section of the BoM districts,
> > so this would reflect the emphasis in the forecasts.
> >
> > IDF05N04
> > ILLAWARRA
> > Tonight
> > Fine. Cool. Fresh southwest to southerly wind, strong at times near the
> > coast.
> >
> > Precis and temperatures for Tuesday
> > Wollongong : Fine, fresh winds
> > Nowra : Fine
> > Min:09 Max:17
> > Bowral : Fine
> > Min:04 Max:12
> >
> > It's not unheard of for Bowral to receive snow while Wollongong basks in
> > (chilly) sunshine. So, bad boundaries are probably more to blams than bad
> > forecasts.
> > Mark
>
> This one's actually vaguely defensible on rainfall grounds - Bowral is
> far enough east to get much of its rain from the east, unlike locations
> further west in the Southern Highlands. (The same logic applies to
> locations like Braidwood and Nerriga, which are classified in South
> Coast). Of course, once one extends to elements other than rain, the
> district boundaries are very dicey.
>
> As previously remarked, district boundaries are essentially set in
> stone - I get the distinct impression it would be bureaucratically
> easier to move Bowral brick by brick to a location in district 70
> than it would be to change the boundaries to include Bowral in that
> district!
>
> Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:44:07 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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As of last Friday morning it was 69.2 mm. Although I haven't calculated
the index exactly since then, looking at the current trend it would be
about 72 as of this morning.
Bear in mind that the index is highly subjective as it is a function of
the annual rainfall and daily maximum temperatures of the site at which
it is measured.
If you have a list of your maximum temperatures (or Wollongong's,
assuming they would be almost identical) plus the daily rainfall since
the last time you had floods (which would have dropped the index to
zero), I could work out the index for your location or if you have a
spreadsheet program I could send you the equation (or the Excel 97 macro
I use to do the job).
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> What is the drought index reading at present, Keith ?
>
> Thanks
> Michael
>
> > The rain shadow must have gone over much of Sydney as well..the rain
> > periods simply didn't eventuate although there may have been a few
> > drops..just another warm and windy night and another overnight minimum
> > of 17 degrees (before the westerly change dropped it to 15).Meanwhile
> > the drought index keeps climbing with the assistance of the above
> > average temperatures.Even though it's used in bushfire assessment I have
> > kept track of it for the last 14 years as it can be a useful pointer as
> > to when there will be a major rain event especially if it goes above 100
> > (out of a theoretical maximum of 203.8mm or 8 inches).(The formula for
> > its calculation fits roughly the width of an A4 sheet of paper,more if
> > it's in my handwriting!)
> > When it gets above 50 grasses usually start to dry out.
> >
> > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > That 37mm is a lot more than I have had this May, in fact we are well
> below
> > > average, even back in Feb - Mar the rain was stopping at Sydney or the
> > > Hunter.
> > >
> > > I am now watering the grass every second day, admit I have a rather poor
> > > front lawn competing with several palms and mature gum trees.
> > >
> > > Large area of rain just west of the Illawarra tonight, the animated loop
> > > seem to indicate it dies just west of the escarpment. Sort of a rain
> shadow
> > > affect.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > So I'm still hoping June will live up to its reputation of bringing
> > > > heavy rain to Sydney..for me a clear indication of this is when a cold
> > > > pool centres over the upper western district of NSW especially
> Cobar.And
> > > > with only 37mm here this month (50% of the 50-year average) June is
> > > > almost sure to be wetter..but the question is, by how much....?
> > > > (This is one way of ventilating frustration with these dry, depressing
> > > > westerlies although I can't complain about the warm
> temperatures..today
> > > > was the warmest day for the last 5 days of May here since 1982..)
> > >
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:58:44 +1000
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As to the negative feedback side of things, one has also to remember
that the oceans are an enormous sink for carbon dioxide and from what I
have read, the oceans appear to be more capable of absorbing CO2 than
was first thought. I haven't heard of oceanic absorption of ions..I
would think that sunspots, being cooler, would emit less radiation,
depending on the type (ie long or short wave).I think the cooler the
temperature, the longer the wavelength. Someone out there with much more
knowledge of physics than I will no doubt be able to clarify that
one.But whatever wavelengths are emitted, the question is, how do they
affect the ionisation? Sea water of course also contains many other
elements particularly bromine and iodine but a halogen is a halogen and
very interactive at that, at least chemically!
Although I don't subscribe for one second to this New Age 'Gaia' rubbish
we hear about sometimes (ie the earth is a living, breathing organism or
something like that), there is no doubt about earth/sea/astronomical
interactions which make up the weather and much more research is
required before the doomsayers can be taken seriously.I don't mean we
should ignore warnings to cut emissions, we certainly need to have
measures in place, but we shouldn't believe everything they say just
because they are scientists and think the rest of us mere mortals are
too dumb to question them.
Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> Hi Keith and all,
>
> I agree with your theories, Keith - I'm also a firm believer of
> astronomical influences on the weather. Today, I got into a very nice
> argument with my lecturer about the greenhouse effect and that it has a
> direct effect on "global warming." My argument is that it is not
> occurring to such an extent as many people think, rather such
> fluctuations are to be expected by small shifts in the Earth's orbit
> around the Sun. And also, sun spots play a large part, especially in
> the possible connection with El Nino and La Nina phenoemena - the theory
> behind this is that the extra electromagnetic solar radiation emitted
> from sun spots, is some how "caught" by oceans, and since they are salt,
> (thus ionic) they are able to have a degree of conduction with the
> currents in the ocean. This would help explain why such currents
> suddenly occur, and also explains how they occur.
>
> I personally believe that it's a truely fascinating concept,
> (interaction between astronomical and meteorologicaly processes) and
> while I haven't read into it much, certainly plan to in the near future.
>
> My other argument, was that even if the increase in the "greenhouse
> gases" did occur, there'd be a negative feedback to help put things into
> balance - my main argument was the process of weather and clouds.
> Clouds are almost like snow....they're completely white (this is a
> common misconception made by some people, all clouds are in fact
> completely 100% white) and thus would relflect some of this light/heat
> energy back out into space. I also pointed out, that an increase in
> temperature would also increase water vapour in some of the air, these
> two factors would allow the development of more (and possibly stronger)
> tropical cyclones, thunderstorms and tornadoes...all of these require
> large amounts of energy to form, although they don't destroy energy,
> they just convert energy (eg light and sound from lightning, and much of
> the heat energy would be converted into wind energy by a series of
> processes."
>
> Anyway, I better not babble on too long!
>
> Anthony from Brisbane
>
> Keith Barnett wrote:
> >
> > An interesting observation, Peter, depending on what part of the weather
> > you are referring to..do you mean temperatures, or the regularity of
> > cold fronts, or anything else specifically? I should go through my 23
> > years of data for this location (Seven Hills NSW) and see if there's
> > anything..for NSW it may be different as we are not always affected by
> > ,for example, cold outbreaks like you would be in Tasmania or Victoria.
> > For NSW the frequency of east coast lows would be relevant but that
> > would be from year to year in conjunction with El Nino, I would think.
> > As for cycles, I am a great believer in the influence of sunspots on
> > earth's weather. In my humble opinion, far too little weight is given to
> > astronomical influences (including the earth's precession) by greenhouse
> > 'prophets' in their assessments of the way they fear the world is going
> > to end. I have observed sunspots through my 10-inch reflecting telescope
> > and when one considers their sheer size and the area of the sun's
> > surface they cover, there MUST be a direct effect on earth's weather due
> > simply to the reduction in solar output (the spots are cooler than the
> > surroundings, which is why they are visible).
> > Sorry if that got off the topic a bit but I think these things are
> > relevant to any regular weather cycles.
> >
> > peter matters wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > >From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> > > Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> > > the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly, the
> > > NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
> > >
> > > ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> > > Cheers Peter(didjman)
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:05:15 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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I haven't seen a push button one Lindsay but with the BoM standard one I
use (it's like a giant doctor's thermometer you shake down every day) I
mount it almost horizontally (in a Stevenson screen), the bulb slightly
lower than the other end. You might minimise the slipping marker if you
can do this with your one.
Hope this helps...
Lindsay wrote:
>
> Can anyone help me with a max/min thermometer problem.
>
> The marker keeps sliding down on the maximum side, so it is hard to get
> an accurate reading. It's one of those push button ones, that you reset
> daily. When I turn it upside down and let the markers "Drain" to the top
> of the thermometer and then release them, it seems to help somewhat but
> the problem seems to persist. What is the process involved in these
> thermometers? How do they work?
>
> Does anyone know of places that I can purchase a moderately priced
> max/min thermometer if this one ends up being stuffed?
>
> Also, apologies if I haven't got back to anyone that has emailed me. As
> I said, I've been out of action for two weeks.
>
> Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:10:56 +1000
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And I think U-Ranus rotates vertically, doesn't it? So the weather would
move from south to north?
Kevin Phyland wrote:
>
> Hey Michael!
>
> >5) Earth's axis of tilt is also not too extreme. Just think
> >what it would be like if we rolled around our orbit like
> >Neptune (?).
>
> I think it's Uranus! (definitely no pun intended!) :)
> 98 deg. axial tilt, I believe.
>
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Noteworthy weather observations on the Net
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:38:27 +1000
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...and that jet stream !!!!!!
>
> On another note I hope all the regular Weather 21 viewers have noted the
> automated computer displays.....very very good....inlcuding rainfall for
> previous months, chance of rain in upcoming months etc etc. Excellent!
>
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> How do you define "Winter clouds"??
>
How about a nice lenticular cloud, surely the border ranges with a west wind
gets these.
> digital camera??). Any photos which clearly have been "enhanced" should
be
> dumped in the "Dungeon of Disgrace".
Love that idea.
Michael
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Some reports are trying to paint this tragedy as another Sydney Hailstorm type blunder, but there is a world of difference. Many of the yacht people knew what they were getting into, so it is like surfers complaining about a mate drowning at a surfing contest at sunset beach because the forecast said 20ft seas instead of the 30ft that occurred.
The wealthier crews would have had access to the US models like the rest of us, I would imagine that they would have known exactly what was going down and plotted courses still to win the race, not to turn back because of any risk.
Another factor is these boats are designed for speed not toughness, sort of a race car compared to a 4WD , except the sailing suddenly became 4WD territory so to speak.
Michael
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Hello Everyone
A report on commercial television last night, from the Cruising Yacht Club(?) in a sailing magazine, blaming the crews of the yachts in the Sydney to Hobart for the trouble they got into. It also stated that there were inaccuracies in the met reports and they were critical of the way met reports were issued.
Has anybody read the magazine article?
It looks to me in the preliminary Met report that the BOM released its forecasts accurately and with plenty of warning time. I am sure there are not too many of us who would go to sea heading into a area of gale and storm warnings!
Chas
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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The balance thing you talk about is true, afterall everything strives
towards balance, the balancing of heat is what drives weather afterall. I
know where your argument is coming from, and to an extent increased CO2 even
helps plants grow better, that sort of thing. But that is as far I would
agree with your arguments. But the earth's attempts to ' balance ' things
may not occur in nice peaceful scenarios, what if increased absorption of
Co2 into the ocean led to a major ocean current changing course, what if the
gulf stream decided to just loop the mid atlantic. The older I get the more
I think that no climate change happens gradually or peacefully, and triggers
occur far more frequently than we realise, so why push our luck any further.
Man's reliable history into major climate events is perhaps at best 2000
years old, on an earth scale that is nothing.
On a slightly more borderline issue does anybody believe that the periodic
switch of magnetic poles is a relatively harmless thing, or does it unleash
volcanic chaos and subsequent climate change.
Michael
>
> I agree with your theories, Keith - I'm also a firm believer of
> astronomical influences on the weather. Today, I got into a very nice
> argument with my lecturer about the greenhouse effect and that it has a
> direct effect on "global warming." My argument is that it is not
> occurring to such an extent as many people think, rather such
> fluctuations are to be expected by small shifts in the Earth's orbit
> around the Sun. And also, sun spots play a large part, especially in
> the possible connection with El Nino and La Nina phenoemena - the theory
> behind this is that the extra electromagnetic solar radiation emitted
> from sun spots, is some how "caught" by oceans, and since they are salt,
> (thus ionic) they are able to have a degree of conduction with the
> currents in the ocean. This would help explain why such currents
> suddenly occur, and also explains how they occur.
>
> I personally believe that it's a truely fascinating concept,
> (interaction between astronomical and meteorologicaly processes) and
> while I haven't read into it much, certainly plan to in the near future.
>
> My other argument, was that even if the increase in the "greenhouse
> gases" did occur, there'd be a negative feedback to help put things into
> balance - my main argument was the process of weather and clouds.
> Clouds are almost like snow....they're completely white (this is a
> common misconception made by some people, all clouds are in fact
> completely 100% white) and thus would relflect some of this light/heat
> energy back out into space. I also pointed out, that an increase in
> temperature would also increase water vapour in some of the air, these
> two factors would allow the development of more (and possibly stronger)
> tropical cyclones, thunderstorms and tornadoes...all of these require
> large amounts of energy to form, although they don't destroy energy,
> they just convert energy (eg light and sound from lightning, and much of
> the heat energy would be converted into wind energy by a series of
> processes."
>
> Anyway, I better not babble on too long!
>
> Anthony from Brisbane
>
> Keith Barnett wrote:
> >
> > An interesting observation, Peter, depending on what part of the weather
> > you are referring to..do you mean temperatures, or the regularity of
> > cold fronts, or anything else specifically? I should go through my 23
> > years of data for this location (Seven Hills NSW) and see if there's
> > anything..for NSW it may be different as we are not always affected by
> > ,for example, cold outbreaks like you would be in Tasmania or Victoria.
> > For NSW the frequency of east coast lows would be relevant but that
> > would be from year to year in conjunction with El Nino, I would think.
> > As for cycles, I am a great believer in the influence of sunspots on
> > earth's weather. In my humble opinion, far too little weight is given to
> > astronomical influences (including the earth's precession) by greenhouse
> > 'prophets' in their assessments of the way they fear the world is going
> > to end. I have observed sunspots through my 10-inch reflecting telescope
> > and when one considers their sheer size and the area of the sun's
> > surface they cover, there MUST be a direct effect on earth's weather due
> > simply to the reduction in solar output (the spots are cooler than the
> > surroundings, which is why they are visible).
> > Sorry if that got off the topic a bit but I think these things are
> > relevant to any regular weather cycles.
> >
> > peter matters wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > >From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> > > Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> > > the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly,
the
> > > NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
> > >
> > > ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> > > Cheers Peter(didjman)
> > >
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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A pity as I do not keep temps and rainfall any longer, it's those trees
again, the figures for my yard are just too unreliable.
No good using Wollongong as the site is near the escarpment and has had
20-30mm more than me over the past few weeks.
Regards
Michael
> As of last Friday morning it was 69.2 mm. Although I haven't calculated
> the index exactly since then, looking at the current trend it would be
> about 72 as of this morning.
> Bear in mind that the index is highly subjective as it is a function of
> the annual rainfall and daily maximum temperatures of the site at which
> it is measured.
> If you have a list of your maximum temperatures (or Wollongong's,
> assuming they would be almost identical) plus the daily rainfall since
> the last time you had floods (which would have dropped the index to
> zero), I could work out the index for your location or if you have a
> spreadsheet program I could send you the equation (or the Excel 97 macro
> I use to do the job).
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > What is the drought index reading at present, Keith ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Michael
> >
> > > The rain shadow must have gone over much of Sydney as well..the rain
> > > periods simply didn't eventuate although there may have been a few
> > > drops..just another warm and windy night and another overnight minimum
> > > of 17 degrees (before the westerly change dropped it to 15).Meanwhile
> > > the drought index keeps climbing with the assistance of the above
> > > average temperatures.Even though it's used in bushfire assessment I
have
> > > kept track of it for the last 14 years as it can be a useful pointer
as
> > > to when there will be a major rain event especially if it goes above
100
> > > (out of a theoretical maximum of 203.8mm or 8 inches).(The formula for
> > > its calculation fits roughly the width of an A4 sheet of paper,more if
> > > it's in my handwriting!)
> > > When it gets above 50 grasses usually start to dry out.
> > >
> > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That 37mm is a lot more than I have had this May, in fact we are
well
> > below
> > > > average, even back in Feb - Mar the rain was stopping at Sydney or
the
> > > > Hunter.
> > > >
> > > > I am now watering the grass every second day, admit I have a rather
poor
> > > > front lawn competing with several palms and mature gum trees.
> > > >
> > > > Large area of rain just west of the Illawarra tonight, the animated
loop
> > > > seem to indicate it dies just west of the escarpment. Sort of a rain
> > shadow
> > > > affect.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > So I'm still hoping June will live up to its reputation of
bringing
> > > > > heavy rain to Sydney..for me a clear indication of this is when a
cold
> > > > > pool centres over the upper western district of NSW especially
> > Cobar.And
> > > > > with only 37mm here this month (50% of the 50-year average) June
is
> > > > > almost sure to be wetter..but the question is, by how much....?
> > > > > (This is one way of ventilating frustration with these dry,
depressing
> > > > > westerlies although I can't complain about the warm
> > temperatures..today
> > > > > was the warmest day for the last 5 days of May here since 1982..)
> > > >
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:21:06 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Except that there are precedents for climatic change such as the one
that changed the climate of Greenland from a habitable place (it used to
be green hence the name) to a place so cold the residents had to
leave.This was over 150 years. I agree with you Michael that there is
potential for man, in his stupidity, to stuff things up pretty quickly
but I think the 'balancing' would limit that and indeed, has done so
far,as witness the fact that the scientific community is almost
unanimous in saying that we need a lot more research etc before we can
conclude that man's CO2 (and the cows' CH4) is causing our climate to
change that rapidly.
I know CO2 emissions weren't around in Leif Ericssons's time when that
climate change happened but the means of 'automatic correction'
certainly were and I see no evidence of that having diminished.
What I am trying to say here is, what sort of triggers could trigger
such a catastrophe that, for example, the sea level would rise 3 feet in
say 50 or so years? And yet that is what some of the extremists are
trying to make us believe.
As I have said before, we let these people scare us with as yet unproved
theories. We sit and let them tell us what to do, what to say and how to
say it.And then when someone says something like that, they are
immediately put down and laughed out of town.
The real balance needs to be (1) in what precautions we take given the
limited knowledge we already possess and (2) filtering the dogmas of the
scientific community through demanding they publicly justify their
position rather than let them (with the help of the media) promulgate
theory as proven fact when it isn't (a bit like evolution, but this is
not the forum for that one).
To get this back to something meteorological,I wouldn't mind a warmer,
wetter climate in Sydney...and (referring to another thread), what could
be a more wintry cloudscape than Sydney in a westerly gale under a
standing lee wave or those cold freezing southerlies that bring all the
low cloud up but scarcely any rain?
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> The balance thing you talk about is true, afterall everything strives
> towards balance, the balancing of heat is what drives weather afterall. I
> know where your argument is coming from, and to an extent increased CO2 even
> helps plants grow better, that sort of thing. But that is as far I would
> agree with your arguments. But the earth's attempts to ' balance ' things
> may not occur in nice peaceful scenarios, what if increased absorption of
> Co2 into the ocean led to a major ocean current changing course, what if the
> gulf stream decided to just loop the mid atlantic. The older I get the more
> I think that no climate change happens gradually or peacefully, and triggers
> occur far more frequently than we realise, so why push our luck any further.
>
> Man's reliable history into major climate events is perhaps at best 2000
> years old, on an earth scale that is nothing.
>
> On a slightly more borderline issue does anybody believe that the periodic
> switch of magnetic poles is a relatively harmless thing, or does it unleash
> volcanic chaos and subsequent climate change.
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > I agree with your theories, Keith - I'm also a firm believer of
> > astronomical influences on the weather. Today, I got into a very nice
> > argument with my lecturer about the greenhouse effect and that it has a
> > direct effect on "global warming." My argument is that it is not
> > occurring to such an extent as many people think, rather such
> > fluctuations are to be expected by small shifts in the Earth's orbit
> > around the Sun. And also, sun spots play a large part, especially in
> > the possible connection with El Nino and La Nina phenoemena - the theory
> > behind this is that the extra electromagnetic solar radiation emitted
> > from sun spots, is some how "caught" by oceans, and since they are salt,
> > (thus ionic) they are able to have a degree of conduction with the
> > currents in the ocean. This would help explain why such currents
> > suddenly occur, and also explains how they occur.
> >
> > I personally believe that it's a truely fascinating concept,
> > (interaction between astronomical and meteorologicaly processes) and
> > while I haven't read into it much, certainly plan to in the near future.
> >
> > My other argument, was that even if the increase in the "greenhouse
> > gases" did occur, there'd be a negative feedback to help put things into
> > balance - my main argument was the process of weather and clouds.
> > Clouds are almost like snow....they're completely white (this is a
> > common misconception made by some people, all clouds are in fact
> > completely 100% white) and thus would relflect some of this light/heat
> > energy back out into space. I also pointed out, that an increase in
> > temperature would also increase water vapour in some of the air, these
> > two factors would allow the development of more (and possibly stronger)
> > tropical cyclones, thunderstorms and tornadoes...all of these require
> > large amounts of energy to form, although they don't destroy energy,
> > they just convert energy (eg light and sound from lightning, and much of
> > the heat energy would be converted into wind energy by a series of
> > processes."
> >
> > Anyway, I better not babble on too long!
> >
> > Anthony from Brisbane
> >
> > Keith Barnett wrote:
> > >
> > > An interesting observation, Peter, depending on what part of the weather
> > > you are referring to..do you mean temperatures, or the regularity of
> > > cold fronts, or anything else specifically? I should go through my 23
> > > years of data for this location (Seven Hills NSW) and see if there's
> > > anything..for NSW it may be different as we are not always affected by
> > > ,for example, cold outbreaks like you would be in Tasmania or Victoria.
> > > For NSW the frequency of east coast lows would be relevant but that
> > > would be from year to year in conjunction with El Nino, I would think.
> > > As for cycles, I am a great believer in the influence of sunspots on
> > > earth's weather. In my humble opinion, far too little weight is given to
> > > astronomical influences (including the earth's precession) by greenhouse
> > > 'prophets' in their assessments of the way they fear the world is going
> > > to end. I have observed sunspots through my 10-inch reflecting telescope
> > > and when one considers their sheer size and the area of the sun's
> > > surface they cover, there MUST be a direct effect on earth's weather due
> > > simply to the reduction in solar output (the spots are cooler than the
> > > surroundings, which is why they are visible).
> > > Sorry if that got off the topic a bit but I think these things are
> > > relevant to any regular weather cycles.
> > >
> > > peter matters wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > >From my humble weather observations of thirty years, for SE
> > > > Australia(mainly Southern Victoria/All Tasmania), at this time of year
> > > > the weather approximately follows seven day cycles. Interestingly,
> the
> > > > NZ/Aussie prognosis appear to support this. Any comment?
> > > >
> > > > ps: From where are the LI, CAPE & other data obtained?
> > > > Cheers Peter(didjman)
> > > >
> > > >
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: I've got hail dents
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:22:44 +1000
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Well not me, but my car. Washed it for the first time since April 14 on the
weekend, and there are several on the bonnet. Only small but they are there.
My wife had the car that evening at Shellharbour where golfball size hail
fell.
Michael Thompson
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
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I would not mind that warmer and wetter climate also.
You have a point in that most of this involves personal barrows being
pushed.
Any reasonable trust seems to have gone out of any discussions in the last
20 years, whether they be financial, scientific or political. Everything is
a negotiation these days, in other words to get X you have to present a
scenario of X+y. So if your a scientist who earns a living from the study of
climate you have to convince the government to fund you, on the other hand
if your a environment officer for a oil company, well everything is dandy
and climate change is all theory.
I'm in one of those sell everything and go live on a small farm, feed the
chooks and grow the vegetables moods at the moment.
Michael
> As I have said before, we let these people scare us with as yet unproved
> theories. We sit and let them tell us what to do, what to say and how to
> say it.And then when someone says something like that, they are
> immediately put down and laughed out of town.
> The real balance needs to be (1) in what precautions we take given the
> limited knowledge we already possess and (2) filtering the dogmas of the
> scientific community through demanding they publicly justify their
> position rather than let them (with the help of the media) promulgate
> theory as proven fact when it isn't (a bit like evolution, but this is
> not the forum for that one).
> To get this back to something meteorological,I wouldn't mind a warmer,
> wetter climate in Sydney...and (referring to another thread), what could
> be a more wintry cloudscape than Sydney in a westerly gale under a
> standing lee wave or those cold freezing southerlies that bring all the
> low cloud up but scarcely any rain?
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Hi all,
There was a comment about people changing the colours of photos
that have been submitted and I was just wondering which photos
people were referring to. I've just checked out this months photos
(http://www.severeweather.asn.au/photo/) and I can't see anything
too strange. I trashed the email that mentioned this problem so
I can't reply directly - but I think photographers should be given
the benifit of the doubt, since there really can be some spectacular
lighting effects that only *seem* to have been colourised (and in
fact in many cases the offending pic may in fact be a poor imitation
of what actually was occuring in the sky)
cheers,
Chris
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: I've got hail dents
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Michael, are you trying to take my title away from me?
Jimmy Hail
At 22:22 1/06/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Well not me, but my car. Washed it for the first time since April 14 on the
>weekend, and there are several on the bonnet. Only small but they are there.
>My wife had the car that evening at Shellharbour where golfball size hail
>fell.
>
>Michael Thompson
>http://thunder.simplenet.com
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Seven day cycle
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:10:57 +1000
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Unfortunately, weather isn't the only area of life where commercial
decisions come into play. The minute money becomes a factor, the whole ball
game changes. Justifications are required, grants must be applied for,
funding becomes an issue. It is unfortunately a fact of life, and one that
none of us will ever be able to change, however much we dislike its role.
I've got my tree at Mallacoota reserved!
Jane ONeill
Bayswater, Melbourne
>Any reasonable trust seems to have gone out of any discussions in the last
>20 years, whether they be financial, scientific or political. Everything is
>a negotiation these days, in other words to get X you have to present a
>scenario of X+y. So if your a scientist who earns a living from
>the study of
>climate you have to convince the government to fund you, on the other hand
>if your a environment officer for a oil company, well everything is dandy
>and climate change is all theory.
>
>I'm in one of those sell everything and go live on a small farm, feed the
>chooks and grow the vegetables moods at the moment.
>
>Michael
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: I've got hail dents
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You can only see mine if you look across the surface rather then down upon
it. Yours were definitely larger.
Michael
> Michael, are you trying to take my title away from me?
>
> Jimmy Hail
>
>
> At 22:22 1/06/99 +1000, you wrote:
> >Well not me, but my car. Washed it for the first time since April 14 on
the
> >weekend, and there are several on the bonnet. Only small but they are
there.
> >My wife had the car that evening at Shellharbour where golfball size hail
> >fell.
> >
> >Michael Thompson
> >http://thunder.simplenet.com
> >
> >
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photo colourisation?
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I doubt that it was referring to any of the photos displayed. I assumed that
it was a sensible general rule that was put ' before ' anybody tried this
on.
Michael
> Hi all,
>
> There was a comment about people changing the colours of photos
> that have been submitted and I was just wondering which photos
> people were referring to. I've just checked out this months photos
> (http://www.severeweather.asn.au/photo/) and I can't see anything
> too strange. I trashed the email that mentioned this problem so
> I can't reply directly - but I think photographers should be given
> the benifit of the doubt, since there really can be some spectacular
> lighting effects that only *seem* to have been colourised (and in
> fact in many cases the offending pic may in fact be a poor imitation
> of what actually was occuring in the sky)
>
> cheers,
> Chris
>
> Chris Maunder (Canberra)
>
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From: Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Gopher and Strato-Cu Blues
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:38:03 +1000
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As Laurier Williams stated earlier the BOM Gopher site has closed after 5 years of operation. This is very depressing, where am I going to get my 2 and 3 day NMC GASP Forecast charts from now? Where am I going to get my current Victorian observations (updated every ten minutes or so and including stations right across Victoria and southern NSW) from? Oh well that's progress I suppose. As for the first day of winter in Melbourne what can you say, a little early drizzle cleared to a cool overcast (Strato-Cu) day with a moderate west to northwest wind. 8/8 Strato-Cu all day great for all you eager Sc chasers. Top temp in the city 15.4c and here in Kilsyth the top was 13.6c, all in all a pretty typical early winters day in Melbourne. And to think only 3 more months of this to go. The outlook for the next few days looks pretty exciting a few late showers tomorrow( Wednesday) and then mostly fine and cool right through into early next week, top temps around 15 or 16 each day Bliss!!!. Dane.
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