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001 Jason Smith [s348771 at student.uq.edu.au] Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
002 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Brisbane-wx
003 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Heres Hoping........
004 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Brisbane-wx
005 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Melbourne June Rainfall Record
006 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne has highest June daily rainfall on record
007 "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au] Melbourne Last Night
008 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. SOI on the ABC
009 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
010 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Melbourne Last Night
011 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
012 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Melbourne Last Night
013 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
014 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Brisbane-wx
015 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
016 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Melbourne Last Night
017 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
018 Patrick_Tobin at ama.com.au Winter starting to get going
019 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Melbourne has highest June daily rainfall on record
020 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne - not a record after all
021 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Current Obs.
022 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Current Obs.
023 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Morning Glories (was strange weather phenom. any guesses??)
024 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Forecast models summary
025 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Current Obs.
026 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Chilly
027 Paul Graham [v_notch at hotmail.com] Strange Phenomena: Oceanic Rope Clouds...
028 Greg Spencer [hawk at aisnet.net.au] Waterspouts in Perth
029 Paul Graham [v_notch at hotmail.com] Interesting Weather Phenomena...
030 Paul Graham [v_notch at hotmail.com] Sydney Social Night...
031 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Waterspouts in Perth
032 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Perth water spouts and chase!!!
033 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Heres Hoping........
034 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne Last Night
035 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne has highest June daily rainfall on record
036 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Photograph of damage on the Sydney Hailstorm article
037 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Heres Hoping........
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From: Jason Smith [s348771 at student.uq.edu.au]
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I know bugger all about weather but....
It sort of sounds like the Morning Glory's they get up in the Gulf of
Carpenteria - Early morning, very dark long cloud etc.
I think they're something to do with sea breeze convergenge on Cape York.
I'm currently doing another all nighter at the uni computer labs :-(
Pommy
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:19:44 +1000
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Hi All,
Any wx of interest has now passed out to sea - quite a few storms in a line
parallel to the coast off Moreton Is. today. Looks like fine & dry for a
few days now. Interestingly my electronic baro showed a dip early this
afternoon (yesterday now) down to 999hPa. That's pretty darn low for this
time of year or in fact any time of year in Brisbane.
John.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:38:24 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heres Hoping........
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Morning Don & All.
Get out my plywood? Is that to build my ark?
:-)
Seriously though, the weather pattern is still very spring/autumn, which is
unusual. Is this to do with La Nina.? I note that the sea temps on the east
Coast are just warmer then average but West Coast temps are very warm (2 or 3C
above).
Might be another mild winter yet again. I mean it was 22 here yesterday which is
quite warm for winter and we are looking at 22 or 23 today with an absolute
bottler!!
Cant complain really.......may get some decent winter storms because of the
greater temp gradients......heres hoping....
Paul at Port.
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Phil...
The feature of June 1967 and to a large extent to whole Winter was
strong high pressure in the southern Tasman. Easterly winds dominated
throughout the month. Rainfall right along the coast was between 200 and
500% of normal. sydney and mostl centres to the north had > 20 days
rain. Ave min temps were at record levels - from memory, Sydney's ave
min was 12.8 - the warmest ever, only 1991 on 12.5 has been above 11.
Inland E/NE winds dominated - rare for June and no upper distubances.
Two major east coast lows developed as well. Brisbane and Sunshine coast
also had record June rain.
don White
Phil Bagust wrote:
>
> >That was the month Springbrook (on the border and in the mountains) had
> >2600mm..
> >
> >Don White wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul...
> >> What about June 1967 ?? Up to 800 mm around Dorrigo
> >> don W.
> >>
> >> Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>
> That's interesting. That was Adelaide's driest year on record (257mm or
> something like that). Now, you don't expect the events that caused the big
> wet and the bid dry to be in concordance at two such geographically and
> climatically disparate stations - but I for one would like to know what,
> for instance, the ENSO was doing that year. Were the big east coast falls
> from east coast lows? Was Adelaide's low total from a blocking high to the
> east? What about the north west cloudbands?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
> paisley at cobweb.com.au
> www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:40:07 +1000
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Hi all,
999hPa!?!?!? I think your baro might be wrong John...the Brisbane AP
didn't record anywhere near that - 1015hPa I think the was the lowest,
and that was my lowest!
I've had 84.1mm all up this June, the average for June is normally 71mm.
Yesterday, when the SW'ers came through - the cloud cleared within
2hrs! Last night, I froze my knackers off...and I'll be doing this for
the next few nights too :-(((
Anthony from Brisbane typing with semi-frozen hands (14C here at
8:40am!!)
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Any wx of interest has now passed out to sea - quite a few storms in a line
> parallel to the coast off Moreton Is. today. Looks like fine & dry for a
> few days now. Interestingly my electronic baro showed a dip early this
> afternoon (yesterday now) down to 999hPa. That's pretty darn low for this
> time of year or in fact any time of year in Brisbane.
>
> John.
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne June Rainfall Record
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:17:28 +1000
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Only a few showers were expected but Melbourne received 46mm in the 24 hours to 9am, an all time June record. No record here in Kilsyth 39.8mm to 9am we had 44.2mm on June 7 last year. still a few showers around but the heavy stuff is gone. Yesterday max was 12.6c (in Kilsyth) overnight min 8.9c. Dane
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne has highest June daily rainfall on record
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Melbourne has had ~46mm in the 24 hours to 9 this morning. This
is a new record for June (previously 44.2) - the record length is
145 years, although on the other hand June is the only month in which
50mm has never been recorded (the July record is 74.4).
I haven't seen a chart yet (just got into work) but would surmise that
the Bass Strait low formed somewhat west of its expected position.
Rain was falling steadily from about 4 until at least 11 last night
(at which point I went to bed). Still raining lightly, but probably
1mm/hour at most.
Merri and Darebin Creeks are flowing strongly and probably about 1
metre above their usual level, but not high enough for any flooding
of consequence.
I'll post more when the statewide obs come in and I've had a chance
to review them properly (although the AWS obs suggest that this event
was concentrated in the central and eastern suburbs of Melbourne).
Blair Trewin
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:41:02 +1000
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Morning All (from a rain soaked melbourne),
For those of you who don't know me, I deliver pizzas for a bit of extra
cash (extra, what extra - i don't earn anything else). It's nights like
last night that i hate when it comes to my job. My uniform consists of a
pair of jeans and a T-Shirt. Weather conditions like we had last night in
melbourne were so awful (good) to work in. Strong winds (to about 50km/h),
heavy rain (enough for flash flooding and making driving very hazardous)
and it was BLOODY FREEZING!!! I got BOGGED once (yep - bogged). I nearly
ran up the back of someone cause the breaks locked up and I hit a speed
hump at 65km/h (oops) cause the visibility was so bad (and the pizzas fog
up the inside of the car. Something good came out of last night though.
IT SNOWED IN THE MOUNTAINS!!!!!!!!!!! Only a bit but should be followed up
by more on sunday/monay.
Andrew McDonald.
P.S. - still cold anthony??
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:51:55 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Don White wrote:
>
> Michael..
> I haven't seen any model predicting a retrun to El nino later this
> year. What is the souce of that?
> Don W
[snip]
Hi Don,
I was refering to the feature of the SSTA (Sea-Surface
Temperature Anomaly) beginning to rise and staying that way.
This should result in a firming of falling SOI's becoming
entrenched from the end of 1999. The cross-over to a warmer
SSTA will sometime about mid 2000 by which time the SOI
is usually well and truely negative.
I will review my statement to clarify this point. The various
model hunts include (in addition to BoM);
http://grads.iges.org/nino/fcst0399.html
That has slipped the SST "cold" anomaly in their March 1999
forecast from May 1999 to July 1999, ending the anomaly about
mid 2000.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/index.html
States in their report of March 16 that cold episode conditions
will last for the next 3-6 months (June to September, 1999).
Further, by following another link to the NCEP June 11 report,
this predicts cold anomaly conditions to persist into 2000.
This tends to agree with COLA's forecast of March 1999.
We'd better hope that it's a bit dryer by September 2000
for the Y2000 Olympic Games in Sydney. Unfortunately, this
will come at the expense of our farming community, again:-(
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:50:31 GMT
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On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:02:45 +0930, Phil Bagust
wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Got this interesting historic account from the 'James Craig' restoration
>page (she's a historic 3 masted barque being restored in Sydney).
>
>Would anybody care to guess what kind of met. phenomenon is being described
>here?? (my guess is some kind of roll cloud al la the gulf 'Morning
>Glory', but then there's the rain??...)
>
Phil, given that it occurred somewhere between Adelaide and Auckland,
my guess is that it would have been a squall line associated with a
cold front. I'd imagine that the extraordinarily "together" squall
line that passed through Melbourne on 26 May would have produced the
sort of effects in Bass Strait that are described by the ship's
captain.
Have a look at Peter Matters' loop of the event, and see what you
think conditions would have been like at sea as the line passed. It's
at http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/26_5_99.htm.
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Laurier Williams
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From: Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Last Night
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Don't you just LOVE winter!! No snow on the hills around Canberra
(Lot's of low cloud so there may be some that is not visible yet)
but it's been dumping in the snowies. I don't think the start of the
ski season will be spectacular - but at least it will be white :)
>
>P.S. - still cold anthony??
>
hehe!
Cheers,
Chris
At 09:41 11/06/99 , you wrote:
>Morning All (from a rain soaked melbourne),
>
>For those of you who don't know me, I deliver pizzas for a bit of extra
>cash (extra, what extra - i don't earn anything else). It's nights like
>last night that i hate when it comes to my job. My uniform consists of a
>pair of jeans and a T-Shirt. Weather conditions like we had last night in
>melbourne were so awful (good) to work in. Strong winds (to about 50km/h),
>heavy rain (enough for flash flooding and making driving very hazardous)
>and it was BLOODY FREEZING!!! I got BOGGED once (yep - bogged). I nearly
>ran up the back of someone cause the breaks locked up and I hit a speed
>hump at 65km/h (oops) cause the visibility was so bad (and the pizzas fog
>up the inside of the car. Something good came out of last night though.
>IT SNOWED IN THE MOUNTAINS!!!!!!!!!!! Only a bit but should be followed up
>by more on sunday/monay.
>
>Andrew McDonald.
>
>P.S. - still cold anthony??
Chris Maunder (Canberra)
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/2473/
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:10:51 GMT
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On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:50:31 GMT, wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier
Williams) wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:02:45 +0930, Phil Bagust
> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Got this interesting historic account from the 'James Craig' restoration
>>page (she's a historic 3 masted barque being restored in Sydney).
>>
>>Would anybody care to guess what kind of met. phenomenon is being described
>>here?? (my guess is some kind of roll cloud al la the gulf 'Morning
>>Glory', but then there's the rain??...)
>>
>Phil, given that it occurred somewhere between Adelaide and Auckland,
>my guess is that it would have been a squall line associated with a
>cold front. I'd imagine that the extraordinarily "together" squall
>line that passed through Melbourne on 26 May would have produced the
>sort of effects in Bass Strait that are described by the ship's
>captain.
>
Oops. Just re-read the item and noticed the sentence
> As it
>rose it seemed to take the form of a wide band, with a clear sky behind it.
Later, he says
>We lay like this, while this terrific force of wind and rain passed on and
>beyond us.
So clearly there was some rain with the event, even though clear sky
could be seen beyond it as it approached.
From what I recall, Morning Glories are confined to the Gulf of
Carpentaria, and are gravity waves initiated by previous day's
seabreeze front on the eastern side of Cape York Peninsula. I'm not
sure if these are the same phenomena as "gulf lines", which are
frequently referred to by NT forecasters.
I still feel it was a squall line associated with a cold frontal
passage, though obviously a narrower one than the 26 May event.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:27:58 +1000
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> Andrew McDonald.
>
> P.S. - still cold anthony??
It is 18C outside with a 10-15kn SW'er blowing, I went outside 15mins
ago to get the mail, and my feet almost got frostbite. I am wearing
trackpants, t-shirt, jumper (I did have a jacket, but I took it off
because after I found the heater, and put it on max, it became a more
acceptable 27C in the study - thank the Lord for 1000W heaters :-) )
Answer your question? :)
Anthony from a cold Brisbane :( (although a "normal" winters day)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:31:41 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
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You are right Laurier. I watched a docco on the "morning glory" cloud on the
Discovery channel. The "morning glory" has no associated weather with it - thats
why it is so unusual - i.e. there is no rain, no squally winds - however there
is severe turbulence within the cloud itself due to the nature of the cloud. And
the fact that this type of cloud is only found in the gulf (well thats what they
said......). There is some meteorologist that is studying the cloud and has
weather sites set up all over the southern end of the Gulf to monitor the
conditions that cause the cloud. I wonder if he has prepared a report on the
matter yet?
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:32:10 +1000
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Whoa Anthony,
I think you must be right (embarrassment city)... It has been telling me
for quite some time that I should replace the battery (hummm), so it must
be that the baro transducer circuitry is sensitive to battery voltage (trap
for young players (and old!!)). Even though it was a sharp dip, it could
not be that far out of wack and certainly nothing on the synoptic chart
would indicate that it should be reading what it is. Either that or it has
lost it's altitude adjustment. Will check it tonight when I get home.
10C min overnight (shiver) (from trusty rusty outdoor max/min, not the
fancy electronic doodad).
John.
>snip
999hPa!?!?!? I think your baro might be wrong John...the Brisbane AP
didn't record anywhere near that - 1015hPa I think the was the lowest,
and that was my lowest!
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:42:15 +1000
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Hi Phil,
Certianly sounds bizarre doesn't it. It would be interesting to know more
precisely the location of the boat and the time of year of this event. The
direction that this line squall was travelling is not quite clear from the
account but it would appear to have been travelling towards the SW
(definitely bizarre), but could have been more Southerly or even W/NW. The
Morning Glory is thought to be a wave or undular bore occurring as a
disturbance between air layers initiated by convergence of sea breezes over
Cape York. While the structure of the atmosphere is rather different in NZ
latitudes, a wave effect propagating westwards could be postulated, arising
from air which has cooled significantly overnight sinking on the westward
side of the Southern Alps. However, I tend to think that this is rather
unlikely circumstance given a situation with a fresh SW'ter.
Some 10 years ago I observed what I postulate to be an undular bore effect
in Sydney (Hornsby). At the time I lived on the edge of bushland in
Waitara Ck Valley. It was summertime and around 11:00pm at night. It had
been dead calm since sundown with a clear sky. I heard a roaring in the
distance and went outside to look. I realised that the noise was wind in
the trees approaching from the South. A few seconds later a close to gale
force wind struck which lasted around 3 to 4 mins with quite some
turbulence and much littering of the yard with leaves and small branches.
Initially I thought, aha, Southerly buster... But the wind died down as
quickly as it had arrived and I could hear it fade off into the distance.
It returned to dead calm and remained so with a clear sky until morning.
Given the otherwise stable atmosphere at the time, I guessed that what I
had observed was one stationery air layer being replacing another. The
sudden wind being a kind of wave front boundary for this event.
I called the Sydney BoM the next day to report this event, which was
greeted with much interest. The duty forecaster mentioned that they had
recorded a pressure anomaly around 20mins before the time I had noted,
which would have coincided fairly well with whatever it was passing their
location and moving at approx 80km/hr. They did not record a wind front
however. But Hornsby is at an altitude of 170m compared to the airport.
So, the theory goes that if this was an undular bore then there may have
been little ground effect where the bottom air layer is deep (or perhaps
there is an additional layer), but will when it becomes shallower due to
higher ground...
John.
>snip
In 1920, when I was Able Seaman in the barque James Craig, we were running
before a very stiff breeze from the south west on a voyage from Adelaide to
Auckland, New Zealand. The yards were not quite square. We were doing at
least eight knots with a clear cloudless sky; it was just breaking day.
Steering by compass, I occasionally lifted my eyes to the horizon and
suddenly, I noticed a dark patch of cloud rising above the sky line. As it
rose it seemed to take the form of a wide band, with a clear sky behind it.
Mr Carver, the mate, was close by, and I drew his attention to it. He
walked
to the mizzen rigging and stood gazing ahead. After a time he suddenly
called for 'all hands on deck'. The very urgency of his voice prompted
immediate response, and all hands came tumbling out over the wash sill of
the crew's deckhouse.
The next order was 'lee-fore'brace', with Mr Carver going to the weather
braces to slack them away as the lee braces were hauled in; then the main
braces, until the yards were close hauled on the starboard tack. We were
still headed east with the wind on the starboard quarter.
I was having a very difficult task in keeping the ship on course because of
the set of the sails. Now Mr Carver began shortening sail, letting every
upper sail fly.
Leaving the crew to clew up as best they could, he came and stood by me and
ordered me to 'down helm' gently. By now this strange phenomenon was fast
approaching and we realised that is was an area of hurricane force wind
stretching from horizon to horizon. As it neared us, what had been our fair
wind gradually died, and a peculiar ripple took over on the surface of the
sea. With a crack that shook the ship from stern to stern, we were struck
by
this great force with its blinding rain, travelling in the exact opposite
direction to our previous fair wind.
Owing to the brilliant seamanship of Mr Carver, we were not caught aback,
but were now almost hove-to on the starboard tack. Two of the upper sails
which had not been clewed up were torn to shreds.
We lay like this, while this terrific force of wind and rain passed on and
beyond us. Nearing its passing it blew lighter, and when it had passed
astern altogether, the sea again rippled and quickly settled down, and the
wind took up its former direction. The ship was paid off and we again
resumed our former steady course.
As quickly as it had approached us, the streak of devastation passed away
astern and disappeared beyond the horizon.
When we had settled down, I asked Mr Carver if he had ever before
experienced such an extraordinary happening. He replied that he hadn't, but
he had remembered an 'old salt' telling him of a similar occurrence which
happened in the same area many years before.
As I turned away, he remarked that he was thankful that it had happened in
daylight. In the dark, he felt that surely we would have been demasted.
Over the years I have asked a number of meteorologists about it. None has
ever heard of such an event, and few believed me.
Captain J. Maitland Thompson
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gee you wouldnt survive in Melbourne
Are you a reptile by any chance? Just that reptiles need warmth as
well........... :-)
Paul.
Ps I hate the cold as well
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> Andrew McDonald.
>
> P.S. - still cold anthony??
It is 18C outside with a 10-15kn SW'er blowing, I went outside 15mins
ago to get the mail, and my feet almost got frostbite. I am wearing
trackpants, t-shirt, jumper (I did have a jacket, but I took it off
because after I found the heater, and put it on max, it became a more
acceptable 27C in the study - thank the Lord for 1000W heaters :-) )
Answer your question? :)
Anthony from a cold Brisbane :( (although a "normal" winters day)
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Hi Laurier,
I thought maybe that too - but I have never seen a cold front track
westwards which is what is implied by the account, or include a wind
reversal (directly opposite to... previously stiff SW breeze).
John,
>snip
I still feel it was a squall line associated with a cold frontal
passage, though obviously a narrower one than the 26 May event.
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Hi all,
It looks like winter might be starting to manifest itself in the SE.
In Canberra at 9.00am Friday we have steady moderate-heavy rain and a temp that
has been hovering between 4.5 and 6.0 over the last hour. Driving to work
revealed the very occasional melting sleet droplet on the windscreen.
Looking towards the Brindabellas, there appeared to be some accumulation on the
ground visible around the 1200-1300m line. It is very hard to see clearly
through the precipitation and cloud. I will clarify when things become clearer.
Clouds are coming from the SSE and are not penetrating across the Brindabella
ranges - I can see clear blue throught the precipitation to the west .
Monday is starting to look interesting as well.
Patrick
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne has highest June daily rainfall on record
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:08:34 GMT
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On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:20:00 +1000 (EST), Blair Trewin
wrote:
>Melbourne has had ~46mm in the 24 hours to 9 this morning. This
>is a new record for June (previously 44.2) - the record length is
>145 years, although on the other hand June is the only month in which
>50mm has never been recorded (the July record is 74.4).
>
Blair and All
A late corrected synop report from Melbourne RFC has adjusted the
rainfall down to 43mm -- it was reported as 45mm in the first synop.
Possibly the first report was from the AWS and the second from the
normal gauge ????
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne - not a record after all
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The final Melbourne figure came in at 43mm - not a record after all.
In case you are wondering how such a discrepancy can come about, the
progressive figures through the day/night are derived from the gauge
attached to the automatic station (known as a tipping bucket rain
gauge, because it works by having two small buckets in a 'seesaw'
arrangements which tips when a set amount collects in the collecting
bucket, triggering an electrical signal), but the final 0900 figure
is measured using a traditional manual gauge. It is not unusual for
the two instruments to differ by a few percent on any given day,
although 43 to 46 is starting to get at the high end of expectations.
So we'll just have to settle for:
- wettest day in any month since 2 January 1996 (53.8)
- wettest winter day since 14 July 1952 (48.3)
- wettest June day since 22 June 1904 (44.2) and 2nd wettest on record
I look forward to seeing how much fun the Victorian Regional Office
people have trying to explain this one to the media!
Lots of 40-50 totals through the suburbs but not much higher. 66 at
Preston was the highest suburban figure (and the only one over 50,
although Eltham, which looked in a potential high-rainfall area, didn't
report). Kinglake and Wallaby Creek, both in the hills NE of Melbourne,
had 81 apiece.
Blair Trewin
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Well.....that damn Low pissed off and left us all hagning for the non-event.
Damn it!
Currently here it is beautiful!! Deep blue sky, wind gentle - moderate , mild
temps (I would say probably 20 - 22c)
Feels like spring already.
Is there anything of note weather wise for next week? I note that rain is
forecast for Monday / Tuesday. Is it frontal or because of SE'ers?
Paul.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:18:28 +1000
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Hi Paul,
Moderate, mild temps??? Hmm :-( It's 19C here - going down to 6C
tonight, 1C at Ipswich (have fun John!)
The models are indicating an interesting frontal/upper system event for
southern states - some very cold air, and a nice low (over Vic) I
haven't had a chance to fully assess the event though - but looking at
MRF/NGP it does look quite interesting.
Unfortunately, not for us poor QLD'ers (who were robbed on Wednesday
from victory!)
Oh well...back to watching the TVC series for the 40th time :)
...(Tornado Video Classics)
Anthony from Brisbane
Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>
> Well.....that damn Low pissed off and left us all hagning for the non-event.
> Damn it!
>
> Currently here it is beautiful!! Deep blue sky, wind gentle - moderate , mild
> temps (I would say probably 20 - 22c)
>
> Feels like spring already.
>
> Is there anything of note weather wise for next week? I note that rain is
> forecast for Monday / Tuesday. Is it frontal or because of SE'ers?
>
> Paul.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:25:15 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
I found this page a few months ago, some great pictures of Morning
Glories here..
http://www.dropbears.com/brough/
I think it was a book called "The Weather and Climate of Australia" that
had a section on various Australian Weather Phenomena, and from memory
Morning Glories and Gulf lines were classed as two separate events.. but
don't quote me on that :)
Laurier Williams wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:50:31 GMT, wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier
> Williams) wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:02:45 +0930, Phil Bagust
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>Got this interesting historic account from the 'James Craig' restoration
> >>page (she's a historic 3 masted barque being restored in Sydney).
> >>
> >>Would anybody care to guess what kind of met. phenomenon is being described
> >>here?? (my guess is some kind of roll cloud al la the gulf 'Morning
> >>Glory', but then there's the rain??...)
> >>
> >Phil, given that it occurred somewhere between Adelaide and Auckland,
> >my guess is that it would have been a squall line associated with a
> >cold front. I'd imagine that the extraordinarily "together" squall
> >line that passed through Melbourne on 26 May would have produced the
> >sort of effects in Bass Strait that are described by the ship's
> >captain.
> >
> Oops. Just re-read the item and noticed the sentence
> > As it
> >rose it seemed to take the form of a wide band, with a clear sky behind it.
>
> Later, he says
>
> >We lay like this, while this terrific force of wind and rain passed on and
> >beyond us.
>
> So clearly there was some rain with the event, even though clear sky
> could be seen beyond it as it approached.
>
> From what I recall, Morning Glories are confined to the Gulf of
> Carpentaria, and are gravity waves initiated by previous day's
> seabreeze front on the eastern side of Cape York Peninsula. I'm not
> sure if these are the same phenomena as "gulf lines", which are
> frequently referred to by NT forecasters.
>
> I still feel it was a squall line associated with a cold frontal
> passage, though obviously a narrower one than the 26 May event.
>
> --
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Subject: aus-wx: Forecast models summary
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:32:56 GMT
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On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:18:28 +1000, Anthony Cornelius
wrote:
>The models are indicating an interesting frontal/upper system event for
>southern states - some very cold air, and a nice low (over Vic) I
>haven't had a chance to fully assess the event though - but looking at
>MRF/NGP it does look quite interesting.
>
GASP has been remarkably consistent with its treatment of the
situation in SE Australia early next week. Like the EC, MRF and
NOGAPS, the latest GASP develops a cut-off upper low west of Tasmania
late in the weekend, together with a surface reflection east of the
coldest air. It then moves a leaf of cold air (1000/500 thickness 536
or below) over Victoria on Monday. This cold air then remains, with
the 536 line somewhere over Victoria until at least Thursday!
Yesterday's 00z MRF was similar in its temperature distribution and
the development of the cut-off. But unlike GASP, which moves high
pressure well north over Qld and keeps Victoria in a southwesterly,
the MRF develops a high southwest of Tassie pushing the airstream over
SE Aust more southerly by midweek. The 12z AVN run was pretty close to
the previous 00z MRF run.
The latest EC has a deep cut-off upper low just west of Bass Strait on
Sunday night, with a very strong SW jet on its NW side across
Adelaide, and a surface low under the upper low. It moves the whole
assemblage into the central Tasman by Monday night, and socks the SI
of NZ Tuesday night, with conditions over Victoria warming up.
NOGAPS (which has been performing quite nicely over the past few
weeks) develops a mean-looking low in the central Bight on Saturday
night, then moves it into western Victoria early Monday whereupon it
weakens substantially, but still brings a cut-off 540 line over the
state. NOGAPS makes more of another thermal trough coming into the
Bight mid-week.
The latest (00z) LAPS analyses a deep cut-off already under WA, and
simply moves it east, but has a 536 thickness leaf entering western
Vic at +48 hours (Sunday morning).
The live Noteworthy AWS reports on my website are at last showing
something of interest, with the AWS in SW Western Australia recording
some respectable wind gusts -- 52 knots at Busselton Airport, 55 at
Cape Leeuwin and 45 knots on Rottnest Island are the best so far.
These reports are updated hourly at about 20 past the hour, so it'll
be interesting to see what happens further east as the frontal system
moves along the south coast.
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:31:53 +1000
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Hi Anthony,
Yes it will be a brrrr cold one tonight. Still a light to mod Wester
blowing at present, which will keep temps up a bit if it continues. Can't
see it getting to 1C at Mt. Crosby, maybe at Amberley if the wind drops.
I'll punt for 5C.
Must be about time I got the winter woolly & fluffies out. Still, temp
didn't drop below 20C indoors last night despite hitting 10C outside - one
of the advantages a fully insulated residence...
John.
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Hi Paul,
Moderate, mild temps??? Hmm :-( It's 19C here - going down to 6C
tonight, 1C at Ipswich (have fun John!)
The models are indicating an interesting frontal/upper system event for
southern states - some very cold air, and a nice low (over Vic) I
haven't had a chance to fully assess the event though - but looking at
MRF/NGP it does look quite interesting.
Unfortunately, not for us poor QLD'ers (who were robbed on Wednesday
from victory!)
Oh well...back to watching the TVC series for the 40th time :)
...(Tornado Video Classics)
Anthony from Brisbane
Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>
> Well.....that damn Low pissed off and left us all hagning for the
non-event.
> Damn it!
>
> Currently here it is beautiful!! Deep blue sky, wind gentle - moderate ,
mild
> temps (I would say probably 20 - 22c)
>
> Feels like spring already.
>
> Is there anything of note weather wise for next week? I note that rain is
> forecast for Monday / Tuesday. Is it frontal or because of SE'ers?
>
> Paul.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:45:58 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Friday at 2:50 pm and five degrees here in the Upper Blue Mountains.
Humidity is around 80-85. Had some cold-sleety rain early this morning
but no snow, too warm still.
Here's hoping that the colder change might take another 3 to 5 degrees
off our temps so we can get some white stuff.
Lindsay P.
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Subject: aus-wx: Strange Phenomena: Oceanic Rope Clouds...
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:45:59 PDT
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>From my book on satellite meteorology (Images in Weather Forecasting):
"rope clouds/roll clouds: long and very narrow lines of low cloud,
observed on satellite imagery, sometimes in association with active cold
fronts but sometimes extending for 1000km or more over the sea with little
other cloud"
What do you think about this as a possible explanation?
- Paul G.
>From: John Woodbridge
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>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:42:15 +1000
>
>Hi Phil,
>
>Certianly sounds bizarre doesn't it. It would be interesting to know more
>precisely the location of the boat and the time of year of this event. The
>direction that this line squall was travelling is not quite clear from the
>account but it would appear to have been travelling towards the SW
>(definitely bizarre), but could have been more Southerly or even W/NW. The
>Morning Glory is thought to be a wave or undular bore occurring as a
>disturbance between air layers initiated by convergence of sea breezes over
>Cape York. While the structure of the atmosphere is rather different in NZ
>latitudes, a wave effect propagating westwards could be postulated, arising
>from air which has cooled significantly overnight sinking on the westward
>side of the Southern Alps. However, I tend to think that this is rather
>unlikely circumstance given a situation with a fresh SW'ter.
>
>Some 10 years ago I observed what I postulate to be an undular bore effect
>in Sydney (Hornsby). At the time I lived on the edge of bushland in
>Waitara Ck Valley. It was summertime and around 11:00pm at night. It had
>been dead calm since sundown with a clear sky. I heard a roaring in the
>distance and went outside to look. I realised that the noise was wind in
>the trees approaching from the South. A few seconds later a close to gale
>force wind struck which lasted around 3 to 4 mins with quite some
>turbulence and much littering of the yard with leaves and small branches.
> Initially I thought, aha, Southerly buster... But the wind died down as
>quickly as it had arrived and I could hear it fade off into the distance.
> It returned to dead calm and remained so with a clear sky until morning.
>
>Given the otherwise stable atmosphere at the time, I guessed that what I
>had observed was one stationery air layer being replacing another. The
>sudden wind being a kind of wave front boundary for this event.
>
>I called the Sydney BoM the next day to report this event, which was
>greeted with much interest. The duty forecaster mentioned that they had
>recorded a pressure anomaly around 20mins before the time I had noted,
>which would have coincided fairly well with whatever it was passing their
>location and moving at approx 80km/hr. They did not record a wind front
>however. But Hornsby is at an altitude of 170m compared to the airport.
> So, the theory goes that if this was an undular bore then there may have
>been little ground effect where the bottom air layer is deep (or perhaps
>there is an additional layer), but will when it becomes shallower due to
>higher ground...
>
>John.
>
> >snip
>
>In 1920, when I was Able Seaman in the barque James Craig, we were running
>before a very stiff breeze from the south west on a voyage from Adelaide to
>Auckland, New Zealand. The yards were not quite square. We were doing at
>least eight knots with a clear cloudless sky; it was just breaking day.
>
>Steering by compass, I occasionally lifted my eyes to the horizon and
>suddenly, I noticed a dark patch of cloud rising above the sky line. As it
>rose it seemed to take the form of a wide band, with a clear sky behind it.
>
>Mr Carver, the mate, was close by, and I drew his attention to it. He
>walked
>to the mizzen rigging and stood gazing ahead. After a time he suddenly
>called for 'all hands on deck'. The very urgency of his voice prompted
>immediate response, and all hands came tumbling out over the wash sill of
>the crew's deckhouse.
>
>The next order was 'lee-fore'brace', with Mr Carver going to the weather
>braces to slack them away as the lee braces were hauled in; then the main
>braces, until the yards were close hauled on the starboard tack. We were
>still headed east with the wind on the starboard quarter.
>
>I was having a very difficult task in keeping the ship on course because of
>the set of the sails. Now Mr Carver began shortening sail, letting every
>upper sail fly.
>
>Leaving the crew to clew up as best they could, he came and stood by me and
>ordered me to 'down helm' gently. By now this strange phenomenon was fast
>approaching and we realised that is was an area of hurricane force wind
>stretching from horizon to horizon. As it neared us, what had been our fair
>wind gradually died, and a peculiar ripple took over on the surface of the
>sea. With a crack that shook the ship from stern to stern, we were struck
>by
>this great force with its blinding rain, travelling in the exact opposite
>direction to our previous fair wind.
>
>Owing to the brilliant seamanship of Mr Carver, we were not caught aback,
>but were now almost hove-to on the starboard tack. Two of the upper sails
>which had not been clewed up were torn to shreds.
>
>We lay like this, while this terrific force of wind and rain passed on and
>beyond us. Nearing its passing it blew lighter, and when it had passed
>astern altogether, the sea again rippled and quickly settled down, and the
>wind took up its former direction. The ship was paid off and we again
>resumed our former steady course.
>
>As quickly as it had approached us, the streak of devastation passed away
>astern and disappeared beyond the horizon.
>
>When we had settled down, I asked Mr Carver if he had ever before
>experienced such an extraordinary happening. He replied that he hadn't, but
>he had remembered an 'old salt' telling him of a similar occurrence which
>happened in the same area many years before.
>
>As I turned away, he remarked that he was thankful that it had happened in
>daylight. In the dark, he felt that surely we would have been demasted.
>
>Over the years I have asked a number of meteorologists about it. None has
>ever heard of such an event, and few believed me.
>
>Captain J. Maitland Thompson
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:59:26 +0800
From: Greg Spencer [hawk at aisnet.net.au]
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ok, I uploaded my pics that I took of the storms before I ran out of film
http://www.geocities.com/~racwa/temp
enjoy :-)
Greg Spencer wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Well it had to happen one day, I saw my first funnel cloud :-))))))
>
> I decided to bring the camera with me while taking my brother to work
> with the hope of taking some photo's of the storms around the city
> today. I did take the photo's I wanted and decided to go for a drive
> down the coast to intercept one of the cells as it crossed the coast
> (geeze peak hour traffic can be a problem while chasing).
>
> As it turned out, intercepting it as it crossed the coast didnt matter
> to much because as I was driving down the West Coast Highway at about
> 16:20, which lies right on the coast, I took a quick look at the storm
> and nearly ran off the road through shock at what I saw. There it was, a
> funnel streched 2/3 the way from the cloud to the water. I quickly found
> the nearest parking area and pulled over to watch this unbelievable
> site!!! A few other cars pulled into the parking area shortly after me
> asking if I had seen the funnel too. I think they were just as excited
> and amased to see it as I was.
>
> Although this was absolutely unreal, there had to be something to ruin
> things for me. All those pics i took before used all my film so
> unfortunately I dont have pics to show everyone :-((((. I will however
> post the pics that I do have to the net when I get them developed.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg from Perth
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Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Weather Phenomena...
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In addition to phenomenon John W. described, I thought I'd mention some
interesting weather I witnessed in December of 1997. It was sometime around
the 11th when I was out watching what appeared to be a severe thunderstorm
to the east of Sydney. The lightning was very intense and the storm had the
appearence of an atomic explosion. A cool damp breeze from the direction of
the storm (to the east) developed probably from its outflow. About this
time, I turned to look to the west to see if there may be any more storms
headed my way. It was at this time that I noticed a very nicely formed
strato-cumulus cloud in the formation of a very long line for as far as I
could see and moving quite slowly east. It seemed like a roll cloud but was
very turbulent in nature. As it moved overhead there was an abrupt 180
degree change in wind direction.
- Paul G.
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Social Night...
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Hi everyone, Jimmy asked me if I could organise a social night for people in
Sydney. I wanted to reply last night but had a headache from hell so I
decided not to. Jimmy expressed interest in seeing a film - such as The
Craic. What do people think? Perhaps Saturday night?
Rather than replying to the mailing list, please reply to me directly. If
we can't get numbers this weekend, we could make it forthe following
weekend. I, for one, am not sure whether I can make it this weekend.
- Paul G.
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Waterspouts in Perth
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:15:33 +1000
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Awesome pics!!!!!!!
Made me get a strange urge to find a way to live in Perth in winter & over
the east in summer
Please, please, please carry more film for the next one!!
Jane ONeill
Bayswater, Melbourne
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> ok, I uploaded my pics that I took of the storms before I ran out of film
>
> http://www.geocities.com/~racwa/temp
>
> enjoy :-)
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Subject: aus-wx: Perth water spouts and chase!!!
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Hi all
As you now know two of our members saw and reported funnels yesterday of
the coast of perth Greg Spencer and Mark Dwyer, not bad huh!! So far from
what i can gather after talking with Barry at the BOM here at least 3 were
seen but there may have been more. Mike Fewings and I did chase but spent
most of the time just south of where they were, missed the funnels & spouts
but we did score quite a few great storms however, a couple with nice
anvils and gust fronts, got a few great pictures too, will be up as soon as
possible (took about 40). Myself and Barry arn'nt 100% sure if they were
water spouts or tornadic water spouts, we both aggreed that it was
certainley border line as there was a weak shear enviroment around. Another
10-20knts of shear and they would have seen tornadic waterspouts cross the
beach and make landfall for sure, we both aggreed on that. The storm tried
its hardest with what it had.
One cell to our south was about 50ks away and was so big that i couldnt
fit it in one pic!!! Phone updates from Jacob helped us to know what was on
the radar and positioned ourselves on the SW side of the cells.
Unfortunatley for us or fortunatley for the other guys the funnels were all
to the north and rear of the cell, certainly unusual for here. Once we got
out there lack of shear was really noticable but the airplots did show the
wind swinging with hieght just off the coast before we left. Kinda confused
me why the spouts were to the north and rear of the cells, so anyway
naturally i poisitioned my self south of the best storms, we were mostly
around just south of freo from luch time on but moved north later. Storm
tops were anviling out at about 8-9k's ( I think ). I saw later that there
was a jet at around 10k and some did cap out, at least 2 that i saw, most
of the others were close anyway. The cell that crossed at around 4:30ish
just north of freo looked awesome from the front!! The rain in it was just
black as the ace of spades (we came in from the south side) and Jason Bush
also an ASWA member on hols here from up north did get pea sized hail. So
we missed the waterspouts but not by very far, it was funny cause we could
see out past Rotto the whole time, but never saw them. The best storm all
day crossed Perth at around 3:20am in the morning, it was small and crappy
on the radar but it goes to show that the radar isnt really a good
indication of how strong a storm is, the storm did damage in a few perth
suburbs and looks like its a possible small nader. Barry told me the cell
did have high echos and with winter here sometimes thats all it takes. The
damage will be assest over the weekend so stay tuned!!!
Ira Fehlberg
Many thanks from Mike and myself to Jacob for all the updates on the radar
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heres Hoping........
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>
> I'm just going through my hand-copied (from the newspaper) charts for
> June 1967 .There was:
> 1.On 1st June, following a weak cold front, high pressure slow moving
> over southeast Australia and Tasmania (when it got as high as 1046mb
> east of Hobart, a figure which I believe may be in dispute), with an
> inland trough over western Qld which triggered an east coast low off the
> mid-North Qld coast. moving south..these latter developments occurred
> from 4th and the high persisted in the south Tasman until the 16th with
> the low recurving toward the central NSW coast briefly on the 16th.
Highest pressures from various Tasmanian stations from this event:
Launceston Airport 1044.3
Hobart 1043.6
Eddystone Point 1042.7
Low Head 1042.5
Flinders Island 1042.5
Smithton 1041.7
Given the Low Head and Eddystone obs Launceston seems a little high
to me (and the conversion to sea level tables in use at the time
would have been severely tested), although not outrageously so.
I don't think the data justifies a 1046 hPa isobar, but 1044+ is
certainly on (either way it's the highest in Australia in the digital
database).
There are only two other instances since 1957 of 1040+ over a wide
area of land in Australia, the most notable being 7-8 July 1987 over
southern NSW and eastern Victoria (peaking at 1042.9 at Canberra - with
the caveats that always apply to sea-level pressure at such an
altitude). The other one was 27-28 May 1972 over western Victoria, SE
SA and King Island. (1040 has been touched locally on a few other
occasions, such as June 1997 (Canberra), May 1973 (Adelaide) and
July 1951 (Kalgoorlie)).
Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Last Night
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>
> > Andrew McDonald.
> >
> > P.S. - still cold anthony??
>
> It is 18C outside with a 10-15kn SW'er blowing, I went outside 15mins
> ago to get the mail, and my feet almost got frostbite. I am wearing
> trackpants, t-shirt, jumper (I did have a jacket, but I took it off
> because after I found the heater, and put it on max, it became a more
> acceptable 27C in the study - thank the Lord for 1000W heaters :-) )
>
> Answer your question? :)
>
> Anthony from a cold Brisbane :( (although a "normal" winters day)
Cold? COLD! There are places I went to in Norway last year that didn't
reach 18C in the entire summer!
Blair Trewin
(who misses those crystal-clear 10-degree midwinter days that Canberra
gets so many of)
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne has highest June daily rainfall on record
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> On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:20:00 +1000 (EST), Blair Trewin
> wrote:
>
> >Melbourne has had ~46mm in the 24 hours to 9 this morning. This
> >is a new record for June (previously 44.2) - the record length is
> >145 years, although on the other hand June is the only month in which
> >50mm has never been recorded (the July record is 74.4).
> >
> Blair and All
>
> A late corrected synop report from Melbourne RFC has adjusted the
> rainfall down to 43mm -- it was reported as 45mm in the first synop.
> Possibly the first report was from the AWS and the second from the
> normal gauge ????
As mentioned in an earlier post, this is correct.
Blair Trewin
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Subject: aus-wx: Photograph of damage on the Sydney Hailstorm article
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If you are interested at looking at an aerial view of the damage, try
looking reading throught the article and the photo is linked from there
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/docs/9904-
01.htm
or directly at
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1999/04
00br01.jpg
This photograph is courtesy of Buchanan Reed
I was contacted by Craig Geddes who says he has subscribed to the list. I
hope he enjoys the list. If you are reading this Craig, introduce yourself
and give some sort of descroption of what you do.
Happy reading
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Yesterday and today however were real winter days, we had a brief shower
here in the Illawarra around lunch time from very icy looking clouds, there
is a deep low in the southern Tasman.
I was up your way on Wednesday, flew up to Port Macquarie, not much to see
as cloud cover was down to about 500-600m everywhere, but lots of water
laying in the fields around Taree.
Michael
> Seriously though, the weather pattern is still very spring/autumn, which
is
> unusual. Is this to do with La Nina.? I note that the sea temps on the
east
> Coast are just warmer then average but West Coast temps are very warm (2
or 3C
> above).
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