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001 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
002 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] End Of Year Storm Chase.
003 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au] Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
004 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] End Of Year Storm Chase.
005 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] ASWA membership - yes please
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Re: Snow
007 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] MSC updates
008 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Snow
009 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
010 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. ASWA membership - yes please
011 steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au] SSU page
012 steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au] cold gold coast
013 "Adam Mayo" [oyam at bigpond.com] Storm Warning Signs in Central West
014 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] cold gold coast
015 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Storm Warning Signs in Central West
016 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Storm Warning Signs in Central West
017 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Storm Warning Signs in Central West
018 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Cold in Canberra!
019 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] Perth - Severe Thunderstorm Advice
020 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Storm Warning Signs in Central West
021 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] Dropping LI's in Vic
022 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] Dropping LI's in Vic
023 Matt Smith[disarm at braenet.com.au] SA/VIC/WA storms
024 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Dropping LI's in Vic
025 Matt Smith[disarm at braenet.com.au] SA severe TStorm advice
026 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] ASWA membership - yes please
027 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Storm Warning Signs in Central West
028 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] 9mm in Ballina ????
029 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) SSU page
030 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] SA severe TStorm advice
031 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Re: Perth Severe ThunderStorm Advice Updated!!!!
032 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] 9mm in Ballina ????
033 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] tropical activity + eastern states upper system
034 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Storm recording or database for ASWA
035 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) 9mm in Ballina ????
036 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) SA severe TStorm advice
037 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] 9mm in Ballina ????
038 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Important....July 31st Annual General Meeting for ASWA
039 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] current temp at Wollongbar
040 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] SA severe TStorm advice
041 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] SA severe TStorm advice
042 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Oragraphic lift or Orographic storms?
043 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Types of thunderstorms
044 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] What the models are coooking for SE Australia
045 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] 9mm in Ballina ????
046 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Types of thunderstorms
047 Mark Dwyer [mjd at wantree.com.au] Perth Gets Hit By Thunder Storm Over Night
048 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au] 9mm in Ballina?...also cold Bris temps
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001
From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:04:29 +1000
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Hi Anthony,
Tonight is looking more hopeful, 9.5C here at 11:00pm. No wind...
John.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:37:47 +0100
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: End Of Year Storm Chase.
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Matt Smith wrote:
Hi Everyone
A new section has been added to the ASWA Members Area, about the up and
comming chase at the end of the year , with all details on the chase and
any updates/new info will be posted there.
This is only open to ASWA Members, The only exception being
International participants, so if you would like to be included please join
the Association.
Erm..... isn't ASWA open to australians ONLY????
And if you are interested/have any questions please feel free to mail
me, but i stress this is only open to ASWA members.
Can any exceptions be made here for international participants or perhaps create an ASWA Iinernational for expat Ozzies / foreigners??
Les
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:32:34 +1000
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Hi all....
Yeah tonight has a better feel to it...
At 2am it was 5C at the Brisbane Airport...6.2c at my place in the southern
suburbs with grasstemp hovering around 4.4C. Although here the wind is
still around keeping the temps steady for the last 2 hours.
Brrrrrr too cold for James
>Hi Anthony,
>
>Tonight is looking more hopeful, 9.5C here at 11:00pm. No wind...
>
>John.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:59:42 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au]
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Hi Les,
>
>
>
> Matt Smith wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone
> >
> > A new section has been added to the ASWA Members Area, about the
> > up and
> > comming chase at the end of the year , with all details on the chase
> > and
> > any updates/new info will be posted there.
>
> > This is only open to ASWA Members, The only exception being
> > International participants, so if you would like to be included
> > please join
> > the Association.
>
> Erm..... isn't ASWA open to australians ONLY????
ASWA is open to everyone, Australian or international. As Matthew said,
international participants are exempted from needing to be with ASWA :)
You are more then welcome to join ASWA if you like, though! :)
Membership is $20AUD without radar access, or $30AUD with radar access -
however, I don't believe an international price has been set yet
(subscription includes 4 copies of Storm News posted each year, and
international postage costs more than Australian postage) If you are
interested in becoming an ASWA member, then please let me know, and I'll
work out the costs involved, and then give you an indication on how much
it'll cost (fortunately for you, the cost is halved because of the pound
being so much strong then the AUD )
> > And if you are interested/have any questions please feel free to
> > mail
> > me, but i stress this is only open to ASWA members.
> >
>
> Can any exceptions be made here for international participants or
> perhaps create an ASWA Iinernational for expat Ozzies / foreigners??
As I said - International participants will be exempted from the "ASWA
member only" rule.
Look forward to seeing you at the end of the year Les!
Anthony Cornelius
QLD Chase Co-ordinator
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:45:53 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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>
>
> ASWA is open to everyone, Australian or international. As Matthew said,
> international participants are exempted from needing to be with ASWA :)
> You are more then welcome to join ASWA if you like, though! :)
We want the member access - see below...
>
> Membership is $20AUD without radar access, or $30AUD with radar access -
> however, I don't believe an international price has been set yet
> (subscription includes 4 copies of Storm News posted each year, and
> international postage costs more than Australian postage) If you are
> interested in becoming an ASWA member, then please let me know, and I'll
> work out the costs involved, and then give you an indication on how much
> it'll cost (fortunately for you, the cost is halved because of the pound
> being so much strong then the AUD )
>
Theres a doctor friend of my wife who's from Ballina, NSW studying over here
in Newcastle upon Tyne, England - when Christine mentioned that we were going
to NSW to chase storms she said "great big thumping storms in Ballina"....
seems to be somewhat supercell prone, does this place..... (:
OK go for it - 2 x international membership of ASWA with radar access (usefull
when we r there) or husband and wife membership if such a thing exists! Let
us know how we can get your Pacific Pesos to you - perhaps the easiest way is
getting $AU here at a bereau de change then sending them by post!!! Certainly
bank charges to transfer ozzie dollars mite work out more. There's always VISA
if your bank / BS does e-commerce.... NSW is probably more advanced than the
UK for this sort of thing!
>
> Look forward to seeing you at the end of the year Les!
>
We've even managed to get the baby dumped for 3 weeks - we're gonna b there
and wer'e both looking forward to sun, sea, sand, s*x and especially STORMS!!
35 degree temperatures would have our youngster fried in no time and it's
best to leave her here.... we'll both have to be liberal with the sunblock (:
Oz here we come.
Bring on the giant hail, non stop lightning, gust fronts, wall clouds, pulse
severe storms, supercells and tornadoes please - i'm saving my Virgin Net
freespace for it!
There are people that we know over here who think nothing of going down
disused mineshafts or hanging upside down offa glaciers who think that "wer'e
mad coz its dangerous"... fortunately we'll be in expert hands as we could
easily end up going the wrong way being in the southern hemi the last thing we
want is ending up in the bears cage with a T7 for company or having our nice
shiny hired ute being battered by H7 hail ):
There's always Darwin for big regular storms or even regular tourism - type -
things in NSW if it all ends up as a bust.
Les
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:08:52 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Snow is less now, on the east side at least, of the ranges out Oberon
way.
Still, low cloud is settled there.
Light cu coming over now in Blackheath.
>
I just heard that the front now approaching Perth (due there tonight) is
pretty lively. Anybody got any thoughts on this one?
Lindsay P.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:49:17 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Healing to you Nandina. Thoughts,prayers and a candle burning for you in
our meditation room, if I remember to light it later tonight!
Lindsay P.
Nandina Morris wrote:
>
> I'vw been out of things for the past month - nasty heart attack put me away, and the ambulance drivers didn't want to wait while I unsubscibed to lists. My son in law retrieved 800+ messages a few days later, misunderstood my request and deleted them all. He did unsubscribe from some lists, but when I got home Monday there were 1770 emails waiting. Must say I deleted most without much of a glimpse into them - but kept your memory lane gem.
>
> )h, I'm sposed to keep it to weather - hmmm. Nice sunny morning in Mulgrave this morning.
>
> Cheers
> Nandina
> nandina at alphalink.com.au
>
> ----------
> > This weekend's updates include:
> >
> > Photos of 3.5 new members of ASWA Victoria
> > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/mug_shots.htm
> >
> > Geelong storm photos for 19th May 1999 (report coming)
> > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/19_5_99.htm
> >
> > Photos of part 1 of today's Sea to the Mountains chase (report coming)
> > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/14_6_99.htm
> >
> > Jane ONeill
> > ============================================================
> >
> > Jane ONeill Bayswater Melbourne cadence at rubix.net.au
> >
> > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
> >
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
> >
> > ============================================================
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:00:59 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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No haven't Ben. Would love to,very slight chance I might early tomorrow
but only slight. I agree with you,it didn't seem to feel that cold, the
snow that is. It was quite dry and crunchy even in places at Shooters.
Hopefully my photos will pick that up.
Yes,it was a tremendous experience.
Lindsay Pearce
Ben Munro wrote:
>
> At 14:04 14-06-99 -0700, Lindsay wrote:
> >Well, what a day in Oberon and South of Oberon today, Monday the 14th.
>
>
> I was in same region on monday afternoon too.
> I had spent the long weekend hiking in in the kowmung river area, to the
> south east of the snowy area. On sunday night I was camped by the Kowmung
> river, there wasn't a cloud in the sky, and there was light rain was
> falling. I later found out that this was caused by snow being blown
> horizontally from the west by the high winds, then melting and falling down
> into the valley. The wind got stronger during the night, and rain continued
> to fall lightly.
> On monday morning we had a 600-700m vertical climb out of the valley, the
> wind got stronger and the temperature dropped as we climbed higher, up to
> almost 1000m. The temperature was roughly 4 degrees, from a key ring
> thermometer, so only roughly, and the winds were gusting to perhaps
> 50knots. By then I could see that snow was pretty likely, from the low
> clouds up the valley to the west.
> As we drove west, it wasn't long before we started seeing snow on the
> ground. Then wet snow started to fall, and as we drove on, the snow kept
> getting deeper and deeper. about 15cm deep covering quite a large area, 1
> foot and deeper drifts in many places. The cover was best along the mount
> werong road (dirt road), and the shooter's hill area.
> Around shooter's hill the flakes were quite big, almost a centimetre wide,
> and when we stopped, the snow was really light and dry. The snow didn't
> really feel very cold, because of the low amount of liquid in it, it was
> too dry to transfer the heat.
> All up, it took about one and a half hours to drive through the snow
> covered area, and snow was falling for almost all the 2 hours it took to
> drive to Lithgow. There was a brief fall of wet/snow/sleet at the top of
> the hill to the east of Lithgow, but the sky was clear by the time we
> reached Bell and stayed clear all the way back to Sydney.
> It seems as though it is still snowing in that region, so there could be
> quite a large buildup of snow cover. You haven't had a nother chance to get
> out there have you Lindsay?
>
> Ben Munro
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:11:41 +1000
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Hi James, Anthony,
Yes, the wind picked up again in the early hours, my min was 6.0C.
Shnappenfrizzentoesoffen...
John.
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From: James Chambers [SMTP:jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 1999 2:33
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane Suburbs Could go Below 0 Tonight
Hi all....
Yeah tonight has a better feel to it...
At 2am it was 5C at the Brisbane Airport...6.2c at my place in the southern
suburbs with grasstemp hovering around 4.4C. Although here the wind is
still around keeping the temps steady for the last 2 hours.
Brrrrrr too cold for James
>Hi Anthony,
>
>Tonight is looking more hopeful, 9.5C here at 11:00pm. No wind...
>
>John.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:21:26 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Les Crossan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ASWA is open to everyone, Australian or international.
> > As Matthew said, international participants are exempted
> > from needing to be with ASWA :) You are more then welcome
> > to join ASWA if you like, though! :)
>
> We want the member access - see below...
>
> >
> > Membership is $20AUD without radar access, or $30AUD with
> > radar access - however, I don't believe an international
> > price has been set yet...
It'll only affect postage costs. I'll have the $$ on Mon June
21 after I've visited the bank and the post office.
[snip]
> OK go for it - 2 x international membership of ASWA with radar
> access (usefull when we r there) or husband and wife membership
> if such a thing exists! Let us know how we can get your Pacific
> Pesos to you - perhaps the easiest way is getting $AU here at a
> bereau de change then sending them by post!!! Certainly
> bank charges to transfer ozzie dollars mite work out more.
> There's always VISA if your bank / BS does e-commerce....
> NSW is probably more advanced than the UK for this sort of
> thing!
Watch out Les:-) Many Brits end up finding that earnings v/s
cost-of-living-lifestyle matters in Oz are much better off
than in the UK. I worked out the logistics of this two years
back and reasoned that to maintain our standard of living
that we have in Oz in the UK needed 2.5x salary in AUD value.
Take the AUD, add 20-30% and call it UK-Pounds.
As for the logistics of paying ASWA Inc., in my capacity as
Treasurer, ASWA Inc., I will approach the bank on Monday to
enquire and report. No promises yet re: Visa etc. but
payment in UK-Pound to a Westpac Branch in the UK (I know
of two at least, one in Maidenhead and another in central
London) might be cheaper and practical.
[snip]
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au]
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hey everybody!!!!
SSU page now has satellite loop. how long has that been there??
unfortunately not working at the moment, but am waiting to see what it
looks like:)
http://ssu1.bom.gov.au/agforce/agforce.pl
steve
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hey,
at 12:30 am today 6.0C
at 2:30 am 2.5C
and expected coldest time is later sometime isn't it?
at about 4 or 5 am?
steve
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From: "Adam Mayo" [oyam at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm Warning Signs in Central West
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:55:42 +1000
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Hello Everyone,
We sure got lucky, taking our caravan to Wellington Caves for the weekend. When we were between Lithgow and Bathurst on Friday about 11 am the snow was already settling lightly around the hills. We were able to observe the other side of the snow event from the freezing Wellington area. Unfortunately since we were mostly travelling in convoy with the other members of the caravan club, we didn't get any photos of the sky.
In answer to David Croan's question from 11th May, about the rumour regarding warning signs. No we didn't see one. We looked as far as Narromine and all around Dubbo, Wellington and Burrendong Dam. The only sign we saw was one??? snow sign and those intriguing signs at the Lithgow end of the Hartley Valley about flashing road markers, which flash when ice forms. Does anyone know how they work and what powers them. Had us puzzled.
We had to return home through Mudgee to avoid the snow because of the caravan and that led to much disappointment. We did drive through snow at Lithgow and again at Katoomba though. Even if it was to warm for it to settle on the ground.
Frank, Judy, Adam and Maree Mayo.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:00:41 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au]
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Hi Steve,
You'll probably found that the wind rose a little after you recorded
2.5C, this stirs the air around (cooler air on the ground, warmer air
just aloft) and warms the temperature up. This can greatly affect the
time of the min.
As for when the expected time of the min, it generally occurs just after
sunrise (not just before) the reason for this is it takes a little while
for the net ingoing solar radiation to equal, and eventually exceed that
of the net outgoing radiation.
Hypothetical Example:
You lose 100 units of heat per hour - this is a constant (assume no
other affect from wind/clouds) during the night, you have 100 units of
heat going out, and 0 units of heat coming in. At sunrise, you still
have 100 units of heat going out, but the Sun is so weak, you may only
be receiving 40 units of heat, and this results in a deficit of 60 units
of heat, and the temperature will still decrease (just more slowly).
The minimum will occur when you have 100 units of heat ingoing/outgoing
- once the amount of incoming heat exceeds the outgoing heat (eg, 120
units coming in) you can expect a rise in temperature.
Hope this helps,
Anthony Cornelius
steve baynham wrote:
>
> hey,
> at 12:30 am today 6.0C
> at 2:30 am 2.5C
> and expected coldest time is later sometime isn't it?
> at about 4 or 5 am?
> steve
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Warning Signs in Central West
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:18:46 +1000 (EST)
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> In answer to David Croan's question from 11th May, about the rumour =
> regarding warning signs. No we didn't see one. We looked as far as =
> Narromine and all around Dubbo, Wellington and Burrendong Dam. The only =
> sign we saw was one??? snow sign and those intriguing signs at the =
> Lithgow end of the Hartley Valley about flashing road markers, which =
> flash when ice forms. Does anyone know how they work and what powers =
> them. Had us puzzled.
The Calder Highway between Melbourne and Bendigo (Vic) also has these
in the Macedon area (where the road reaches ~620m).
I don't know for sure, but I'd always assumed that it's triggered by
a simple temperature sensor - it doesn't seem to make any difference
if there is moisture about or not.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:40:22 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Blair Trewin wrote on Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:18:46 +1000 (EST):
>
> > In answer to David Croan's question from 11th May, about the
> > rumour regarding warning signs. No we didn't see one. We
> > looked as far as Narromine and all around Dubbo, Wellington
> > and Burrendong Dam. The only sign we saw was one??? snow
> > sign and those intriguing signs at the Lithgow end of the
> > Hartley Valley about flashing road markers, which flash when
> > ice forms. Does anyone know how they work and what powers
> > them. Had us puzzled.
>
> The Calder Highway between Melbourne and Bendigo (Vic) also has
> these in the Macedon area (where the road reaches ~620m).
>
> I don't know for sure, but I'd always assumed that it's
> triggered by a simple temperature sensor - it doesn't seem
> to make any difference if there is moisture about or not.
Comment about the Lithgow "flashers":-) The last time that
I traversed the area on my way to Bathurst, I noticed these
and enquired about them. At the time, the system in that
particular area was under trial. It's a particularly bad
spot as it almost never gets sun in winter ensuring that
a really good frost could hang around all day. It's also
a spot where the frost first forms of an evening for the
same reasons - a colder than normal spot.
I was told that the trial system has individual sensors
fitted with a lithium battery. Each operates independently
in response to temperature only. They flash when the temp
falls below freezing. The flasher itself with battery has
a lifetime of about 3 years, costs about $20 in quantities
over 100 and is replaced in the maintenance cycle along
with other cat's eye reflectors on the road. The system
would pay for itself if it saves just one life in 3 years.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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At 12:40 17/06/99 , Michael Scollay wrote:
>Comment about the Lithgow "flashers":-)
[snip]
>The flasher itself with battery has
>a lifetime of about 3 years, costs about $20 in quantities
>over 100 and is replaced in the maintenance cycle along
>with other cat's eye reflectors on the road. The system
>would pay for itself if it saves just one life in 3 years.
Yikes - does that mean a life is worth $20 over 3 years in
lots of 100? :)
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Well, it doesn't look like we'll get the 12C we were promised.
All morning the S/Sc has been building up and the temp has dropped
from around 8C at lunch down to 6.9 at 1:15.
Almost looks like we'll get more drizzle any minute.
Chris Maunder (Canberra)
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IDW10W00
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued at 10:50 am WST on Thursday, 17 June 1999
People in the Lower West and Southwest Districts are advised that there is a
risk of severe thunderstorms later this afternoon and tonight.
Storms may be accompanied by hail, flash flooding and strong winds that could
result in damage to property.
People are advised to keep a lookout for thunderstorms and if storms approach
secure loose items, move vechicles under cover, then stay indoors until the
storms have passed. Driving conditions may be hazardous.
This Thunderstorm Advice will be updated at 2:00pm.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:30:54 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Chris Maunder wrote:
>
> At 12:40 17/06/99 , Michael Scollay wrote:
>
> >Comment about the Lithgow "flashers":-)
>
> [snip]
>
> >The flasher itself with battery has
> >a lifetime of about 3 years, costs about $20 in quantities
> >over 100 and is replaced in the maintenance cycle along
> >with other cat's eye reflectors on the road. The system
> >would pay for itself if it saves just one life in 3 years.
>
> Yikes - does that mean a life is worth $20 over 3 years in
> lots of 100? :)
There are a few thousand needed in just a few km of road.
Work out the maths. Insurance values of the average "life"
is less than $250k. Cost to the community and family of a
lost person? That could vary from a bonus in some cases to
invaluable in others:-) On a more serious note, however,
the value of improving roads and public transport is hardly
ever compared with the total cost of non-action. How often
do you see insurance companies funding new roads or public
transport infrastructure based on a reduced exposure risk
analysis that reduces lives lost or damage to property and
the environment? It's easier the jack up premiums instead.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:15:17 +1000
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Hi all,
Currently (5.20Z 17/06) there is an impressive squall line - on
radar - crossing Kangaroo Island and SE S.A. Note also, that projected
LI's for Victoria for this time Friday are around the 1 - minus 1
figure.
Cheers Peter
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:15:22 +1000
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Hi all again,
It's now 2hrs since my last email, and the squall line has
appeared to intensify - extending NW toward Ceduna(as per radar). Adelaide
and SE SA could have an interesting evening, considering the BoM has posted a
SEVERE WEATHER ADVICE as per 4.15pm local time - half an hour ago.
I'm saving radar pics if anyone is interested, for an animated gif.
Cheers Peter.
peter matters wrote:
> Hi all,
> Currently (5.20Z 17/06) there is an impressive squall line - on
> radar - crossing Kangaroo Island and SE S.A. Note also, that projected
> LI's for Victoria for this time Friday are around the 1 - minus 1
> figure.
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Storms on radar currently around SA/WA and mt gambier in VIC
Adelaide looks fantastic, lots of red/pink/green , Andrew Wall is
chasing.And The Perth guys are chasing over there. warnings/advices are
also out i believe, im saving most things along with gmsd/c sat pics. as well.
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>Hi all,
> Currently (5.20Z 17/06) there is an impressive squall line - on
>radar - crossing Kangaroo Island and SE S.A. Note also, that projected
>LI's for Victoria for this time Friday are around the 1 - minus 1
>figure.
>Cheers Peter
Yeah Peter, plenty of 'red pixels' in this sucker.
Here in Adelaide the horizon's getting very dark, but we're gonna loose
daylight before the thing arrives. Still - we might get a decent lightning
show.
Stay 'tooned'....
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued at 4:15 pm on Thursday, 17 June 1999
For people in the Greater Adelaide and Mount Lofty Ranges south of
Adelaide, on
Yorke Peninsula south of Minlaton, on Kangaroo Island and in the Upper and
Lower
South East districts.
Severe winds are possible with thunderstorms in these districts during this
afternoon and evening.
If thunderstorms do develop in your area, localised damage may occur and
you are
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:49:47 +1000
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As far temperatures are concerned 40-42C once west of the divide is a
distinct possibility in December, although we hope not as it usually means a
dry NW airstream, then again there has to be a line between that and
tropical air somewhere in Queensland and that could be interesting.
Michael
> We've even managed to get the baby dumped for 3 weeks - we're gonna b
there
> and wer'e both looking forward to sun, sea, sand, s*x and especially
STORMS!!
> 35 degree temperatures would have our youngster fried in no time and it's
> best to leave her here.... we'll both have to be liberal with the sunblock
(:
> Oz here we come.
>
> Bring on the giant hail, non stop lightning, gust fronts, wall clouds,
pulse
> severe storms, supercells and tornadoes please - i'm saving my Virgin Net
> freespace for it!
>
> There are people that we know over here who think nothing of going down
> disused mineshafts or hanging upside down offa glaciers who think that
"wer'e
> mad coz its dangerous"... fortunately we'll be in expert hands as we could
> easily end up going the wrong way being in the southern hemi the last
thing we
> want is ending up in the bears cage with a T7 for company or having our
nice
> shiny hired ute being battered by H7 hail ):
>
> There's always Darwin for big regular storms or even regular tourism -
type -
> things in NSW if it all ends up as a bust.
>
> Les
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Warning Signs in Central West
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:00:26 +1000
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I hope you don't mean 1 life = $20.
Just joking !
Michael
>
> I was told that the trial system has individual sensors
> fitted with a lithium battery. Each operates independently
> in response to temperature only. They flash when the temp
> falls below freezing. The flasher itself with battery has
> a lifetime of about 3 years, costs about $20 in quantities
> over 100 and is replaced in the maintenance cycle along
> with other cat's eye reflectors on the road. The system
> would pay for itself if it saves just one life in 3 years.
>
> Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: 9mm in Ballina ????
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:58:21 +1000
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Just going through the 9am observations for today and it says that Ballina
AWS had 9mm in last 24 hours, pretty suspect considering the bone dry west
wind. Also a min of -2C, a bit sus' as well.
Michael B what were your observations ?
Michael Thompson
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:06:11 GMT
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On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:07:18 +1000, steve baynham
wrote:
>hey everybody!!!!
>SSU page now has satellite loop. how long has that been there??
>unfortunately not working at the moment, but am waiting to see what it
>looks like:)
>
>http://ssu1.bom.gov.au/agforce/agforce.pl
>
Steve
The "visiting" page is now dummy (i.e. old) data only. To get the real
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Now teeming down at St Peters (3km NE of Adelaide CBD). No lightning yet,
but I'm going off line, just in case.
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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We have qyite a few storms with pink in them on our local scale radar and
this just out!!!!!!
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
PRIORITY
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued at 4:50 pm WST on Thursday, 17 June 1999
People in the Lower West and Southwest Districts including the Perth
Metropolitan Area and Bunbury are advised of the risk of severe thunderstorms
tonight.
Storms may be accompanied by hail, flash flooding and strong winds that could
result in damage to property.
People are advised to keep a lookout for thunderstorms and if storms approach
secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then stay indoors until the
storms have passed. Driving conditions may be hazardous.
This Thunderstorm Advice will be updated at 8:00pm tonight.
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Michael and everyone,
I too wonder about some of these observations. Last weekend, I noticed that
Holesworthy had -2C two days in a row which made us look like wimps here in
the real cold west (obviously it has been fixed). Now although I think the
Penrith AWS station is working properly, I wonder whether there really is a
difference of up to 2C between Penrith and Richmond. I note this as the
summer maximums also have varied up to around 1 to 2C above Richmond. For
instance, there were several times when Penrith recorded temps 1 or 2 C
higher than Richmond. I am NOT saying that it's not possible but after this
winter reading, I think it may have to be properly checked. Perhaps there
is a heat island effect in the area......
Further to this, there have been many instances when Alan Williams has told
me of stories when rainfall at AWS stations are improperly calibrated and
hence give absolutely rediculous data.You would think you were in the tropics.
Nevertheless, I now don't have full faith in these unmanned money-saving
stations. The price we have to pay for suspect data. Obviously there are
advantages, but it is sad that money-saving and gathering has really taken
hold in the 90's.
Jimmy Deguara
At 17:58 17/06/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Just going through the 9am observations for today and it says that Ballina
>AWS had 9mm in last 24 hours, pretty suspect considering the bone dry west
>wind. Also a min of -2C, a bit sus' as well.
>
>Michael B what were your observations ?
>
>
>Michael Thompson
>http://thunder.simplenet.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:12:49 +1000
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Hey Jane, everyone..
I've been watching that system on the models for the past 3 days.. it
looks like it will move through the bass straight close to Melbourne
tomorrow in a somewhat weakened form.. it has certainly stirred things
up around Adelaide late thisafternoon with plenty of red on radar..
Andrew Wall and his girlfriend were out chasing as well, and are still
out there as fas as i know (7pm QLD time)..
Although it's a LONG way out on the models, i have my eye on an upper
level system MRF and EC have for the eastern states early/mid next
week.. BOM have also picked this up.. right now i'd give anything to get
rid of these SW'rs!!
Jane ONeill wrote:
>
> Clyve's just pointed out that there is still activity lingering over Timor &
> to the north of Darwin 3 days later. As you say - unusual for this time of
> year.
>
> There's also an interesting development in the Bight - the system is very
> complex according to the latest MSL chart.
> http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/national/charts/synoptic.shtml
> (bomw0007/aviation)
>
> Jane ONeill
> Bayswater, Melbourne
>
> On Sunday, 13 June 1999 7:31
> Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> >Subject: aus-wx: tropical activity
> >
> >
> >If you take a look at the activity just north of Cape York, you will find
> >some activity which is unusual for this time of year. New Guinea has some
> >storm scattered on its southern part. Very interesting.
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm recording or database for ASWA
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Hi everyone Jimmy here,
Recently, probably a few weeks back, I had forwarded a request based on the
WA minutes of the meeting but as usual, some items go uncommented on. It
was in regards to getting a group of volunteers to take charge of recording
storms into a database.
Obviously we already have a severe storm form (thanks Paul Graham) to fill
in but personally it keeps getting forgotten and I really believe it would
be more effective if this 'new group' takes ownership and responsibility.
What I suspect should be done is that all storm reports particularly severe
are collated into a central database. We could have one person from each
state doing their bit or just have a whole group of a few people making
sure all storms mentioned on the list including archives prepared by
Michael Bath are analysed as well.
Do we have any volunteers?? I know I would have like to but I have too much
things on my plate.. One of the advantages which is why I would have liked
to do it is that you get to read most storm reports. I believe a central
database is essential even if I have to take the job on myself. It will
also gives others who would like to chase up a report in the past easy
access. For instance, someone may tell you that they were told on the 28th
October 1995, there was a tornado reported near Camden or even large hail
to be a little more serious. You would go back and find there was a
supercell that went through the area.
Anyway, if there is anyone interested, please contact me or perhaps
announce on the list. Or perhaps discuss your impressions of the idea. It
keeps nagging me in my brain.... You don't have to have any qualifications
as such as there are people who could prepare a database with a lot of
flexibility. It is even possible with Visual Basic to come up with a
windows program that can perpare a database and also convert it to html for
internet use and cgi......
What are your thoughts
well you guessed it
Jimmy Deguara
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: 9mm in Ballina ????
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:45:27 GMT
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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:55:12 +1000, Jimmy Deguara
wrote:
>Michael and everyone,
>
>I too wonder about some of these observations. Last weekend, I noticed that
>Holesworthy had -2C two days in a row which made us look like wimps here in
>the real cold west (obviously it has been fixed). Now although I think the
>Penrith AWS station is working properly, I wonder whether there really is a
>difference of up to 2C between Penrith and Richmond. I note this as the
>summer maximums also have varied up to around 1 to 2C above Richmond. For
>instance, there were several times when Penrith recorded temps 1 or 2 C
>higher than Richmond. I am NOT saying that it's not possible but after this
>winter reading, I think it may have to be properly checked. Perhaps there
>is a heat island effect in the area......
>
Their reliability is a problem, and one that the Bureau recognises
though I'm not aware of any plans they have to rectify the situation.
Blair may be. It is also a factor in their thinking as to just what
data will be made generally available, given that quality control on
real time data is very difficult to attain. While most errors are
gross and easy to spot -- like the wind gusts to 79 knots at Fort
Denison in Sydney Harbour, with sustained speeds of 3 knots, or minima
of minus 29 in the tropics, I do worry about the number of wrong but
credible readings there may be. Probably the biggest problem is that
AWSs occasionally go off air for days at a time -- Tamworth AWS, the
only weather station representing that major city -- has had problems
like this since it was installed, resulting in a discontinuous and
nearly unusable rainfall record.
>Nevertheless, I now don't have full faith in these unmanned money-saving
>stations. The price we have to pay for suspect data. Obviously there are
>advantages, but it is sad that money-saving and gathering has really taken
>hold in the 90's.
>
I think it pays not to have faith in any stations, manned or
otherwise. Even airport stations manned by trained observers have been
known to get things wrong. You need to seek confirmation for anything
that seems out of the ordinary.
Non-Bureau staff stations, especially those that only report at 9 and
3 have their share of problems. Observations can be done too early or
late, wet bulb wicks not attended to, and I've stood with one
long-time observer at a 3-hourly reporting lighthouse station and
watched him judge what I would have called 5 octas of large Cu as 2
octas of Sc. I would guess that one of the most common human observer
errors is misreading graduated scales by 5 or 10, so that 1010hPa
becomes 1015, 20C becomes 25C -- often hard to detect unless other
stations are nearby. The most insidious problem is changes in site
exposure -- the asphalt carpark or fence that gets built right beside
the screen, for example. Some years ago, when Braidwood PO staff got
all enthusiastic, they painted the whole PO pink, including the
screen. Lithgow maxima were loopy for months when the observer exposed
the thermometers on a shady wall while the screen was away being
fixed. The raingauge at Jenolan Caves has been moved several times to
my knowledge, each time after a tree has been growing over it for some
years.
My preference would be for manned automatic wx stations, and there are
some that operate like this. The auto obs are done each hour or half
hour, and at fixed times the human observer adds visual obs (cloud,
visibility) and basic climatological data like max/min/rain from
separate instrumentation. Unfortunately, from the Bureau's point of
view, this is the worst of both financial worlds. You also need to
keep in mind that the present profusion of new AWSs is being paid for
by once-only budget allocations to the Bureau. Complain to your
politician, not the Bureau which is only too well aware of the
problems.
So what we're left with is
--AWS obs which are always on time and more frequent than all but
major airport manned stations can achieve, but are occasionally
erroneous and have problems maintaining a continuous climatic record,
and
--human obs which have their own set of unreliabilities.
So cross-check, cross-check, cross-check -- everything!
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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:16:58 +0930, Phil Bagust
wrote:
>Now teeming down at St Peters (3km NE of Adelaide CBD). No lightning yet,
>but I'm going off line, just in case.
>
There's a very good network of AWS's in the Adelaide and Adelaide
Hills area, so it'll be interesting to see what gusts and rain they
report.
I think this is a classic CVA, or convection vorticity advection
event. If you animate the JCU satpics from 18z to 09z, you can see
major development of the cloud in the head of the comma, where the
tail of the comma is the cloud along the cold front advancing into
Victoria, and the head is back to the west of Adelaide. If you animate
a sequence of vis satpix for 00, 03 and 06z, you can see how the CVA
is at the leading edge of a tongue of cold air (speckled cloud).
I'm not great in this area -- anyone else hazard a guess?
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I can assure you all that there has been no rain in the district for a week
now. I saw a 10mm for Ballina on Tues and that was certainly an error as
well, but definitely no rain.
4.9 degrees this morning at Wollongbar, 1 at Lismore, not sure of the
reading for Ballina. Day max are typically only reaching 17 here for the
past several days, which is not that common, giving 100% sunny days.
regards, Michael
At 17:58 17/06/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Just going through the 9am observations for today and it says that Ballina
>AWS had 9mm in last 24 hours, pretty suspect considering the bone dry west
>wind. Also a min of -2C, a bit sus' as well.
>
>Michael B what were your observations ?
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Subject: aus-wx: Important....July 31st Annual General Meeting for ASWA
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Hi Jimmy here again,
I have sent this message around a few days ago and perhaps a few guys or
gals are assuming they think I know they are going. I so far have only six
that have said they will come so please e-mail to me your intention of
coming... We need to know from a planing perspective of where the venue
will be so please don't assume. If you happen to call someone from ASWA and
so on and they indicate send their name as well. I still can double
check.... And remember, if you do not come there is no problems. It is only
for PLANNING..
If you are more than 50% certain you are coming to the July 31st Annual
General Meeting for ASWA, e-mail me on
jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
or perhaps call 96271943
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Hi all,
Currently (9.30pm 17/6) it is just 5.2 in the Wollongbar screen. We're at
an elevation of 155 metres, about 12km from the coast at Ballina (~ 29
degrees South). We're also on a ridge, and the land drops away sharply
about 15 metres to a creek.
Could get a frost here after all.
cheers, Michael
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Not much of a storm really mainly heaps of rain in it with strong gusting
winds, Myself, Kathryn, and my sister went down to Seaford tonight and
mainly encountered these events even though we saw about 5 flashes of
lightning but unsure what type. The lightning frequency was somewhere
between 4 and 5 minutes a strike so it wasnt that spectacular anyway. As we
drove down south road which funny enough goes down south hehehe, we were in
the middle of what we call down here a downpour, I could hardly see the
cars infront of me and I had to drive leaning forward for most of the time
because I couldnt see the little white lines on the road, so I was guessing
most of the time. Overall I thought by the look of it on radar it would
have been more spectacular just goes to show that you cannot always trust
radar in these cases. I think I will go back to instinct.
At 18:16 17/06/99 +0930, you wrote:
>Now teeming down at St Peters (3km NE of Adelaide CBD). No lightning yet,
>but I'm going off line, just in case.
>
>Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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Hi Andrew
Radar indicates probably rainfall... whether or not there is
thunder/lightning mixed up in it is another thing i guess.. did u get any
hail ?
Matt Smith
>Not much of a storm really mainly heaps of rain in it with strong gusting
>winds, Myself, Kathryn, and my sister went down to Seaford tonight and
>mainly encountered these events even though we saw about 5 flashes of
>lightning but unsure what type. The lightning frequency was somewhere
>between 4 and 5 minutes a strike so it wasnt that spectacular anyway. As we
>drove down south road which funny enough goes down south hehehe, we were in
>the middle of what we call down here a downpour, I could hardly see the
>cars infront of me and I had to drive leaning forward for most of the time
>because I couldnt see the little white lines on the road, so I was guessing
>most of the time. Overall I thought by the look of it on radar it would
>have been more spectacular just goes to show that you cannot always trust
>radar in these cases. I think I will go back to instinct.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 18:16 17/06/99 +0930, you wrote:
>>Now teeming down at St Peters (3km NE of Adelaide CBD). No lightning yet,
>>but I'm going off line, just in case.
>>
>>Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
>>paisley at cobweb.com.au
>>www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oragraphic lift or Orographic storms?
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I said on IRC last night that there was a few setups that formed storms,
these are, storms formed in troughs (summer), convergence lines ( ahead of
a low), frontal storms (along the front) and storms in the cold pool of air
behind the front. Someone else said that there was alos orographice storms.
I said this was incorrect as the word "orographic" describes the lifting
mechanism not the storm and this would occur inside on of the above
mentioned systems. I was cut apart by Anthony Cornelius, Ben Quinn and Matt
Smith who insisted that i was wrong. I cleary stated that storms do form by
orographic lifting ( i have the conversation logged) but that the orograph
part is the lifting mechanism, not the storm. Maybe im wrong. Can some one
please tell me if this is so? I would welcome any comments to help clear
this up for me.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:29:03 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
Organization: Strike One Lightning Photos
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Subject: aus-wx: Types of thunderstorms
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Hi all,
After a nice fiery debate in the #weather room in irc there
were a few questions that remained somewhat grey. I thought
that they would be interesting to post to the list to see
what others thought about these ideas.
What are the types of thunderstorms that occur and what
would be there name?
In the room we came up with a few but the hotly debated one
was,
is there an "orographic thunderstorm" or just one that is
caused by orographic lifting?
It really comes down to the names that we give them.
Any places in the world that might get a thunderstorm that
we could classify as a such?
--
Michael Fewings
Strike One Lightning Photos
http://strikeone.com.au
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: What the models are coooking for SE Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:21:56 +1000
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For coastal NSW folks it looks like the models all agree that the present
dry pattern will finally break Tue - Wed next week. MRF, NGP and GASP all
look remarkably similar for next week and have high pressure south of
Australia allowing E/SE winds to develop along the coast. However the models
do vary slightly in the placement of low pressure and troughs. GASP on its
Wednesday frame has a nice trough off the NSW north coast looking as though
it may develop into a East Coast low. NGP also has this, but not as well
defined, but NGP does have 540 thickness over SE Australia on Monday -
Tuesday with onshore winds, this may give a better chance for a southern
highlands - blue mountains dusting.
One thing I have noticed in the last few weeks and that is east of New
Zealand has been the place to be. No wonder a surfing contest footage from
Tahiti I saw a few days ago had perfect 12ft barrels. Perhaps even southern
California would be going off, you would be surprised just how much some
surfers know about weather, many of southern California's best south swells
have come from depressions east of New Zealand, and I know that the surf
forecast gurus watch the Pacific wide weather maps.
Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: 9mm in Ballina ????
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:52:50 +1000
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Thanks Laurier, I really enjoyed reading these !!!!
Some years ago, when Braidwood PO staff got
all enthusiastic, they painted the whole PO pink, including the
screen. Lithgow maxima were loopy for months when the observer exposed
the thermometers on a shady wall while the screen was away being
fixed. The raingauge at Jenolan Caves has been moved several times to
my knowledge, each time after a tree has been growing over it for some
years.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Types of thunderstorms
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:32:17 +1000
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I will throw my two cents in, I suppose it gets down to whether you want to
class thunderstorms by their lifting mechanism - orographic, frontal, etc,
or by structure as in single cell, multi cell, etc.
In the end whatever method it is a bit like cloud classifications, there are
grey shades, not black and white boundaries. You can get storms like the
August Wollongong flash flood ( yes it was a thunderstorm ) which have
several mechanism playing, orographic being just one player.
Michael
> After a nice fiery debate in the #weather room in irc there
> were a few questions that remained somewhat grey. I thought
> that they would be interesting to post to the list to see
> what others thought about these ideas.
>
> What are the types of thunderstorms that occur and what
> would be there name?
>
> In the room we came up with a few but the hotly debated one
> was,
> is there an "orographic thunderstorm" or just one that is
> caused by orographic lifting?
>
> It really comes down to the names that we give them.
>
> Any places in the world that might get a thunderstorm that
> we could classify as a such?
>
> --
> Michael Fewings
> Strike One Lightning Photos
> http://strikeone.com.au
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:45:39 +0800
From: Mark Dwyer [mjd at wantree.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Perth Gets Hit By Thunder Storm Over Night
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At approximately 8.50 pm Perth time we got spanked, buy a very nice
storm complete with Hail and Heavy Rain. CG`S Put me off line, directly
after a very big cg the power went almost instantaneously. Here is some
scrpit form irc that night:-
There were more very intense CG`S to follow that even had bright
green tinges to them. One of these episodes lasted for about 8 seconds
after the lightning strike, the tinge was near the top of the cloud and
it was very bright too. Will give any damage and rainfall reports latter
as they come in during tomorrow.
[21:07] any one here
[21:07] <^-Killer-^> wb mj
[21:08] <^-Killer-^> what happened?
[21:08] hey mj
[21:08] when i went off line big cg and straight away no power
for a minute
[21:08] and followed by more big cgs
[21:09] and they were giving of very bright green tinges too
[21:09] and i mean bright too
[21:10] didn't get a chance too jj the power surge/ drop out
beat me
[21:10] ahh
[21:10] i want to know where the lightning hit
[21:10] no street light any more around here
[21:10] it was VERY close to here
[21:10] whoa
[21:10] still on here
[21:10] hehehe
[21:10] Vahland ave
[21:11] ?
[21:11] the street lights
[21:11] man those cg;s were soooooooooo close
[21:11] hehe
[21:12] the new moblie phone tower about 700 M away is now a
very good lightning conductor, it's in the middle of a park to, higher
that the surrounding trees too
[21:12] havnt heard thunder that LOUD for a while :)
[21:12] last summer actually
[21:12] :)
[21:12] lol
[21:12] the walls shaked and the window almost shattered.
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: 9mm in Ballina?...also cold Bris temps
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:55:09 +1000
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Hi all
I remember looking through the obs last night and strangely the Ballina
reading was updated at 2236 and read -2. I laughed when I saw it.
>Just going through the 9am observations for today and it says that Ballina
>AWS had 9mm in last 24 hours, pretty suspect considering the bone dry west
>wind. Also a min of -2C, a bit sus' as well.
Well its a cold night here in Brisbane.
I'm in the southern suburbs and here are some readings
7.15pm: 9.5C
7.30pm: 8.7C
7.45pm: 8.2C
8.45pm: 7.2C
9.00pm: 7.1C
9.15pm: 6.8C
10.45pm: 5.9C
11.00pm: 6.0C
11.15pm: 6.1C
11.30pm: 5.9C
11.45pm: 5.7C
Its slowly but surely going down...might get a 2-3C min temp with a light
frost here.
Regards
James
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