From                                           Subject
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001 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]    Launceston Obs
002 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           ASWA membership - yes please
003 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Split jet + shortwave and longwave surface troughs
004 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           ASWA membership - yes please
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   strange rainbow
006 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]   Thickness lines
007 "Weather Co." [twc at theweather.com.au]          Split jet
008 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Thickness lines
009 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Inland trough
010 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   PhotoWorks
011 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Rain in Blackheath
012 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          NSW ASWA meeting  minutes
013 Ben Munro [benjamin at biosys.net]                Rain in Blackheath

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:53:40 +1000
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone

Yesterday we had a southerly wind. This was a nice change, although
cold.
Because it was dry,  it was a chance to open the house to air it out.
The wind also cleared away the winter smoke haze that hangs around the
Tamar Valley. A clear day followed by a cold night with the temperature
dropping to -3C this morning. It looks like another clear day today.

Chas
Launceston Tasmania


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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:49:18 +0100
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Chris Maunder wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> The other option is simply a personal cheque. It costs $7 at
> the Commonwealth Bank to get it processed, and can take up
> to 21 days - but still relatively simple.

Easy answer - Les makes it seven dollars more!!!

LC

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:34:11 +1000
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Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
> 
> Thanx Mark....I knew that because you already described it on Weather21
> 
> What I was more interested in was the actual number of splits - in that there
> were 2. I didn't realise that the Jet Stream meanders wherever it pleases.
> 
> So does upper systems control where the jet stream travels or is there another
> influence on that?

Funny you should ask that.. someone told me while back that the upper
level systems influence the path of the jet.. but i'm not 100% sure if
that's right or not.. I wouldn't mind knowing the answer for this, i can
put it on my 500's page..

On another subject, i was toying with the idea that we also have both
short wave and long wave surface troughs, as well as short wave and long
wave upper level troughs.. can anyone comment on this?


> 
> Paul.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:47:57 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Michael Scollay wrote:

>
> When you come to Oz, pay us here in cash.
>

if u r prepared 2 wait????? Les needs that ASWA satpic stuff like now so he
can try to understand what happens down there!!

> The Easiest & Least Expensive from anywhere:
>
> Use your credit card in the 'net. Problem is, that is
> not supported by the bank (yet).

Shocking. An advanced place like Australia not having e-commerce (:

> Also, our status as a
> non-profit organisation prohibits ASWA from setting
> up a Merchant Facility i.e. so ASWA can bill credit
> cards. That's presently only available to businesses.
> My request got them thinking about a new product
> though.

OK this would b the easiest way - obviously Oz law prohibits this...... as it
isn't in the uk. The transaction would have to be secure anyway (no problem
with Netscape)

>
>
> The Next Most Expensive from UK:
>
> Australian Dollar Money Order. Check with your bank
> and/or Royal Post Office.

for  "royal post office" read "post office" 

>
>
> Westpac's Bank Option:
>
> Westpac only has commercial banks in the UK. No retail
> unfortunately. Their retail affilliate is LLoyds Bank
> in London.

Now Lloyds - TSB. Could be done from any bank!

> They might be able to raise an Australian
> Dollar Money Order. Forget telegraphic transfer, that
> is too expensive.

There is another way - getting your Pacific Pesos from someone like Thomas
Cook - taking a chance and sending it snailmail - am looking into it tomorrow
(Saturday) as i'm up 2 my eyes in contract work today!

Would it be possible to send the ASWA application to me in Word 6 or less or
Wordperfect format - I'm a Wordperfect user... i ain't installing MS Office,
smiley paperclip and all!!! - Wordpad doesn't decode the document properly....
):

Les

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:20:06 -0700
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That explains our rainbow up here maybe. It was close to sunset when the
arc went huge! (insert darrel eastlake voice here)

Lindsay Pearce

Marty wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve and all,
> 
> Some info from a great weather book I have. A rainbow forms it's greatest arc
> when the sun is close to the horizon. The higher the sun, the flatter the
> rainbow will be, until the sun rises higher than 420 above the horizon, when it
> disappears altogether.
> 
> I have also seen a few fogbows in the last few years, a couple of them from
> airplanes, where I saw one as a full circle! I have a photo of a fogbow, but it
> is not in an album, so it's sitting in one of a kazillion packets of rejected
> photos that didn't make it into the albums! Not sure why this is so with this
> photo! If anyone's dreadfully keen, I can attempt the brave mission to retrieve
> it. Though, knowing me, I'll probably end up doing that anyway, now that my
> curiosity is sparked. Rest assured that I shan't sleep until my quest is
> complete!
> 
> I've crapped on enough.
> 
>


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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Ben,

I believe 540's the one you're after. The blurb on the MRF
(http://grads.iges.org/pix/aus.fcst.html) site explains it all...

Andrew.
--
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Illawarra/Southern Tablelands
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> From: Ben Tichborne 
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Thickness lines
> Date: Friday, 25 June 1999 20:27
> 
>  Below what line would you normally expect snow to fall to sea-level?. I
> notice one set of models showing a thickness line of 522 reaching the
lower
> South Island tomorrow, and 534 crossing the central North Island on
Sunday.
> That same set shows the 540 thickness line crossing the southwest corner
of
> WA on Monday.
> 
>  Fine and cool (around 7 degrees C) in Christchurch this evening, but a
> thin layer of high cloud, plus a halo around the moon. That must be sign
of
> the approaching southerly blast due to hit early tomorrow. (Metservice
> forecasts rain and snow to 500 metres in Canterbury for Saturday)
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Paul, Michael

The split jet and upper devergence are not necessarily related. There is an
important distinction between diffluence and divergence. The point where
jets split is diffluent but not always divergent. Jet entrances and exits
are points of high convergence and divergence. The cyclonic curvature
(trough) of the jet is also an area where upper level divergence occurs due
to vorticity changes. These are the places to look for development - jet
entrances, exits and sharp upper troughs. A strong jet maxima approaching
the upper trough is often a good one to look out for.

The movement of upper level systems and the jet stream are interdependent
with perhaps the jet being slighly more of a driving force. IMHO I don't
think one can categorically state that one feature completely dominates the
other. The jet stream is driven by both local and broadscale circulation
features. Whereas upper level cold lows, cold pools and ridges tend to form
in response to local dynamical events (in this the jet stream is a major
player).

Short wave and long wave features are also important but not something I am
terribly up to speed on at the moment. Long wave features are hard to detect
and typically found by using a 5 day average of the upper air data. Long
wave patterns are much slower moving and are thought to influence longer
term trends in system development.

Mark
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>
>
> Thanx Mark....I knew that because you already described it on Weather21
>
> What I was more interested in was the actual number of splits - in that
there
> were 2. I didn't realise that the Jet Stream meanders wherever it pleases.
>
> So does upper systems control where the jet stream travels or is there
another
> influence on that?
>
> Paul.
>
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:44:46 GMT
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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:27:33 +1200, "Ben Tichborne"
 wrote:

> Below what line would you normally expect snow to fall to sea-level?. I
>notice one set of models showing a thickness line of 522 reaching the lower
>South Island tomorrow, and 534 crossing the central North Island on Sunday.
>That same set shows the 540 thickness line crossing the southwest corner of
>WA on Monday.
>
Ben, there's no hard and fast rule for this, as there are so many
variables. The 540 line is often stated as a dividing line between
precipitation falling as snow and rain, and that may be true for the
northern US and Europe. Based entirely on my own observation, I'd say
that southern Tasmania and South Island NZ need thicknesses in the low
520s or lower, while the rare occurrences of sea-level snow in
Victoria and NSW have occurred with thicknesses well below 520. 

However, for estimating precipitation type, I find 850hPa temperature
more useful -- low 1000/500hPa thickness doesn't always correspond
with sufficiently cold air at the surface, and it is the temperature
(and dew point) structure in the lowest few hundred metres above the
surface that is often critical in the finely balanced situations that
are usual for extreme events like this. 

Anyway, you lucky Un Zudders now have Rob Davies at MetVUW producing
snowfall (and accumulated snow) forecasts for you at
http://www.geo.vuw.ac.nz/~robd/snow.html. The commentary at the bottom
is very relevant to this discussion. 

BTW, he threatens to produce similar maps for Australia -- maybe we
should all email him to express our strong support!


-- 
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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Hi Jimmy here

It would have been great to see the type of system developing in inland NSW
during the summer period. There are quite a few thunderstorms developing
out there. Will this be the expected East Coast Low??? IT shows the best
signs with the position of the high pressure system to move the system
slowly and I think NE NSW is in for a dumping. After all, they had 1 month
of drought.

What I mean, because we had a few last year, the East Coast people are not
satisfied and they want more... We need news for Storm News  although the
WA and SA members will have stories to put through.

Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:19:14 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Thanks Michael,

No worries if there isn't any stuff for win 3.1 I will just accept that
and enjoy the wonderful world of computers working for me and not vica
versa. 


Cheers,


Lindsay Pearce
PS: Actually, I have never had a computer crash that I can remember in
10 years of computering! I'm looking for a big bit of timber to touch,
just now :-) Keep it simple is my motto.
Michael Scollay wrote:
> 
> Lindsay wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know a similar program to Photoworks that can read files
> > with an .sfw extension? Photoworks isn't compatible with my video card.
> > I've got rolls of photos on disk that I can't read with this file
> > extension.
> >
> > It has to be for win 3.1.
> >
> > Shareware maybe?
> 
> Try looking up ImageMagick from the "E.I. du Pont De Nemours
> and Company  Incorporated. Their utility called "convert" may
> well handle this format in later versions. Binaries are
> available for a variety of O/S's and windowing systems but
> in the light of your requirement, I don't hold out much hope
> since Win95 was released in 1995 and it is 1999 with WIN2000
> just released (or whatever).
> 
> Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:44:28 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Some decent rain coming down in Blackheath at 8:45pm saturday night.

Five degrees. Why can't it be just three of four degrees colder?

Lindsay P.

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Hi all,
Jimmy here.

This is a brief run down of the NSW meeting held today 26th June 1999.

It was a pleasure to be able to lead this meeting. There were 11 in
attendance which is a fair turnout but apologies were accepted.

Agenda

The following items were discussed and some great ideas arose from the
discussion!!

- Grant suggested that the 4 community service announcements will be used
and may act as a basis for other states to use.
- Storm Database for ASWA - everyone loves the idea and accepts the
importance of manually maintaining such a database but only a few willing
to put in the efforts to run it. We desperately need more help. At the
moment, David Croan, Keith Barnett and John Roenfeldt (from WA) will be
working together in this very important project. Their help is very much
appreciated but we do need other people to help AT LEAST IN THE INITIAL
PROCESS.
- Discussed the need for storm spotters but most were anyway.
- The Annual General Meeting - was decided to have an informal type dinner
on Saturday evening/night 31st July 1999. Darren Heys and David Croan will
look into finding a venue. The night will be a casual affair but is
expected to cost hopefully between $20 to $30 per head. We will see what is
available first!!!!

- Call for nomination of Committee members: In light of the Annual General
Meeting around the corner (July 31st 1999), it was generally accepted that
people will self nominate for the positions to be filled and therefore not
need others to act as formal written nomonies. But as the rules suggest, it
must be given in writing 7 days before the meeting to the Secretary. The
positions that will become vacant or could be contested will be discussed
in the official minutes of the meeting.

- we need guest speakers but obviously they will be in short supply. So it
was proposed (and other states should follow suite) to encourage members to
give a talk of something they are comfortable with even like "the worst
storm they have ever experienced".

-Social nights and video nights - due to the distances and difference in
preferences, there will still be a mixture of activities although it seems
like the video nights are most popular. I wonder why?

-ASWA home page - very successful so far. Ideas to add: book list and links
of educational weather resources, online form to join ASWA, clickable map
for ASWA home page for the radar  - will contact Michael Fewings on this one.

- Storm News - should addresses of State Reps and executive committee
members appear on Storm News?? How do others that want to join ASWA send
their forms??  Also proof reading Storm News in case of spelling and
especially copyright issues.

- Australian Geographic article taking place and pictures needed.
Unfortunately pictures wanted may not be available.

- meetings to be held first Saturday of each month from September. Perhaps
a similar model will be beneficial to other states if not already in place.

- T-Shirts not much discussed but Jane will get back to us on this
- Honourary membership - agreed that it should only apply for very special
circumstances of years of dedicated work. Perhaps an award given out each
year can compliment and reward people for their work. Was suggested that
non-financial prizes are more acceptable according to the rules such as a
book or other form of gift. Guests can have dinner paid for by members.


We then went for some MacDonalds where everyone dispersed afterwards

This is the initial copy of the minutes. The main minutes will come a
little later when properly typed up.

Jimmy Deguara
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Lindsay, you need to get your time zone changed. I think that the date/time
stamp is put on by your isp?? email them about it
The time zone on your mail is -0700, or western north america.
20:44 on the 26th in that time zone doesn't occur for almost another 17 hours.

Ben Munro

At 20:44 26-06-99 -0700, you wrote:
>Some decent rain coming down in Blackheath at 8:45pm saturday night.
>
>Five degrees. Why can't it be just three of four degrees colder?
>
>Lindsay P.


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