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001 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] CAPE calculations...
002 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] CAPE calculations...
003 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] CAPE calculations...
004 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au STrange weather...for some.
005 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Strange UK Weather..... not at all
006 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] NG report on British tornadoes
007 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Strange UK Weather..... not at all
008 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] STrange weather...for some.
009 Kevin Burrows [k.burrows at bom.gov.au] (no subject)
010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Re: your mail
011 Kevin Burrows [k.burrows at bom.gov.au] (no subject)
012 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] STrange weather...for some.
013 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] snow this year?
014 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. snow this year?
015 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] Northern Aussie cold snap/Central Otago snowstorm
016 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) snow this year?
017 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
018 Tom Johnstone [Iain.Johnstone at pse.unige.ch] More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
019 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
020 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
021 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] BBC Website.
022 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] More on UK tornadoes
023 Tom Johnstone [Iain.Johnstone at pse.unige.ch] More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:46:57 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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dear list,
What's the mathematics behind calculating CAPE from a Skew-T diagram? The thread re this one vanished
into my trashcan a while back.
I now have access to UK skew - t diagrams from my local RAF station. From the USA, naturally, not
from 25 miles up the road!
For other parts of the world.....
http://www-das.uwyo.edu/upperair/eu.html
Look at the bottom!
Les
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 06:48:38 +1000
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Hi Les,
While I'm not sure of the actual mathematical calculation, there is a
way to plot CAPE on a Skew-T that doesn't have a theoretical air parcel
plot line. Can you tell me what URL you're using for Skew-T's? Or, if
you're using the URL that you mentioned below, it already displays CAPE
(on the right hand side, you'll see 'CAPE: 8394' for example :)
Although, most likely, it'll be 'CAPE: 12' - depending on the stability
on the atmosphere. Altertnative, you can choose 'text' instead of 'gif'
and you'll get the CAPE to 2 decimal places :)
Hope this helps,
Anthony Cornelius
Les Crossan wrote:
>
> dear list,
>
> What's the mathematics behind calculating CAPE from a Skew-T diagram? The thread re this one vanished
> into my trashcan a while back.
>
> I now have access to UK skew - t diagrams from my local RAF station. From the USA, naturally, not
> from 25 miles up the road!
>
> For other parts of the world.....
>
> http://www-das.uwyo.edu/upperair/eu.html
>
> Look at the bottom!
>
> Les
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:43:51 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> While I'm not sure of the actual mathematical calculation, there is a
> way to plot CAPE
I wasn't reading the screen.... shocking for a microsoft certified person. The CAPE value is stated on the
RHS of the tephigram..
The url was on the previous post.
For 55N 1 30W today at 1200z....
LI: 0.3 CAPE=85 helicity = 40 skew T diagram shows some midlevel instability indeed it was another day of
sheared ACCAS and ACCB.
Jane O'Neill has the pix of yesterday's nonsevere weather in this part of the UK.
Les
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Howdy all.
Various medai reports has some interesting weather happening around the world as
we speak (or write)
China has devstating floods & heavy rain
East Coast USA is cooking under heatwave conditions with temps between 38C - 41C
UK - Britain had Severe Storms with Tornados ( I hope its true....the Today show
was talking about it this morning with great video footage) - they say they were
reported Near Bristol ?? or was that Birmingham?
Anyway what does our UK correspondent say?
The Strange but great weather continues here with yesterdays top at 22C - Taree
had 23C which was the States TOP temp. Absolutely beaut weather........BUT I
notice some cirrus cloud now to the South.......prob the first signs of the rain
expected late Thursday / Friday.
Paul at Port.
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:57:55 +0100
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Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>UK - Britain had Severe Storms with Tornados ( I hope its true....the Today show
was talking about it this >morning with great video footage) - they say they were
Three tornadoes reported near Birmingham - the strongest being T2. We've had a lot
of severe TS in the south and middle of the country. Having just obtained a source
of skew - T charts CAPE values were as high as 800 in some cases.... wow!
Apologies for the TORRO scale, folks, the problem with the Fujita scale is, of
course, that a 300mph tornado going across fields and causing no damage is an F0 but
is T11 on the Torro scale. Most Brits use the Torro scale (i) 'coz it works and
(ii) we're British and have to be different (: No reports of huge hail, though.
Most storms were multicell / MCS reportedly spewing out lightning 2/3 per sec. No
supercells reported, therefore tornadoes being caused by updraught tightening,
typical British tornado.
Havn't seen video footage.... it is reported on the uk.sci.weather NG as "not bad".
For once the UK press didn't call it "freak", "mini - tornado", etc etc.
I'm too far north and east for this action - all I've had is ACCB with a CAPE of
85.... zilch all day and unable to join the action due to contract work.
Les
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:10:55 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Here it is, when can we expect 30 australians on a British storm chase??
(:
Les
*SNIP*
Hi
A 5 page (!) article on last nights severe weather in the Midlands, in
this
evenings Birmingham Evening Mail. A resonable good picture of the Selly
Oak
tornado, estimated to be about T2 on TORRO scale. Also a 5min slot on
the
1800 BBC1 News and a 5min slot on Midlands Today, also featuring an
interview with David Reynolds (nice to put a face to the name, Dave,
also
makes a change for you / TORRO to be able to put its view across!)
21 houses were damaged in Selly Oak, with most of the damage being tiles
removed from roofs, when the tornado struck at about 1900bst. 2 houses
had
large holes blown in by the tornado, and there were broken windows also.
Also reports of garden furniture being blown several streets, and bricks
blown on to cars.
Flooding was also a problem in the area, with almost 4ft of water in
some
areas, making roads impassable and doing thousands of pounds of damage
to
houses.
Tornadoes were also reported in Rugeley and Cannock.
There was, not surprisingly, the usual media words such as freak
tornado,
mini-twister etc. and even tropical storm, and going rather to some
extreme,
the mention of it being similar to Tornado Alley in the US !
Amazing, that I only live about 6mi SSE in a straight line from Selly
Oak,
and
there was no rain and only a small amount of thunder. Big :-(
Just goes to show how localised these storms have been. Coleshill AWS
also
reporting Trace rainfall, while B'ham Airport had nearly 30mins of Heavy
Rain, and these locations are 2mi apart!
As for the above, I bet the Met Office got a bit of a "slating" from
those
residents of Selly Oak, when only 30mins before the tornado, there was a
bit
on Midlands Today, where a Met Office forecaster at Birmingham Weather
Centre said...
"they really are nothing to worry about, the most that they are likely
to do
is raise some loose debris off the ground" !!!
An interesting evening over in SW Birmingham, not so here in SE B'ham
(yet
again!)
*SNIP*
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Les:
I saw the video footage - most of the twisters were "elephant trunk" size with a
few more like rope size twisters BUT there was a decent one out of the lot of
the footage shown - and still better then none !!
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: STrange weather...for some.
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>
>
> Howdy all.
>
> Various medai reports has some interesting weather happening around the world as
> we speak (or write)
>
> China has devstating floods & heavy rain
>
> East Coast USA is cooking under heatwave conditions with temps between 38C - 41C
More notable have been the very high overnight temperatures - New York
has had minima of 30C on each of the last two nights (with a max of
38 yesterday and the same forecast for today). I can't remember
seeing a 30+ minimum at such a high latitude before - northern China,
Japan and Korea get pretty hot in summer, but it tends to take the
form of a lot of mid-20s minima - I can't remember seeing a 30 from
there.
Dewpoints have also been very high (mid 20s).
Given what happened in Chicago four years ago when similar conditions
prevailed, we might well see a significant body count out of this
episode (it usually takes a few weeks to sort out the details).
Blair Trewin
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Hi all.
The South Australian Regional Office of the Bureau of Meteorology announce
a new web page providing hourly observations for the Adelaide Regional
Office (Kent Town). This is the site for which maximum and minimum
temperatures are forecast.
The observations are taken from the Automatic Weather Station so no visual
observations of cloud and present weather are available, just wind,
temperature, dewpoint,relative humidity, pressure (MSL) and trend and
cumulative rainfall total since 0900.
There are also daily data and extremes available. The form is reset at
midnight.
Enjoy
Kevin Burrows
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
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>
> Hi all.
>
> The South Australian Regional Office of the Bureau of Meteorology announce
> a new web page providing hourly observations for the Adelaide Regional
> Office (Kent Town). This is the site for which maximum and minimum
> temperatures are forecast.
>
> The observations are taken from the Automatic Weather Station so no visual
> observations of cloud and present weather are available, just wind,
> temperature, dewpoint,relative humidity, pressure (MSL) and trend and
> cumulative rainfall total since 0900.
>
> There are also daily data and extremes available. The form is reset at
> midnight.
>
> Enjoy
>
> Kevin Burrows
>
To add to this, this page is found under the 'Observations'
section of the SA section of the Bureau home page under the
heading 'Adelaide (Kent Town) Daily Weather Summary'.
It essentially replaces the similar page which existed on the now-
defunct gopher server, although there are a couple of new features.
Blair Trewin
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Hi all.
Oops. I was a bit hasty and didnt put the URL which is:
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDS65000.shtml
The South Australian Regional Office of the Bureau of Meteorology announce
a new web page providing hourly observations for the Adelaide Regional
Office (Kent Town). This is the site for which maximum and minimum
temperatures are forecast.
The observations are taken from the Automatic Weather Station so no visual
observations of cloud and present weather are available, just wind,
temperature, dewpoint,relative humidity, pressure (MSL) and trend and
cumulative rainfall total since 0900.
There are also daily data and extremes available. The form is reset at
midnight.
Enjoy
Kevin Burrows
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:15:53 +1000
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And also Russia according to ABC last night with footage of forest fires,
Russians in swim suits (!) and more than just a few drownings from too much
Vodka before swimming... (True!!)
John.
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Subject: aus-wx: STrange weather...for some.
Howdy all.
Various medai reports has some interesting weather happening around the
world as
we speak (or write)
China has devstating floods & heavy rain
East Coast USA is cooking under heatwave conditions with temps between 38C
- 41C
UK - Britain had Severe Storms with Tornados ( I hope its true....the Today
show
was talking about it this morning with great video footage) - they say they
were
reported Near Bristol ?? or was that Birmingham?
Anyway what does our UK correspondent say?
The Strange but great weather continues here with yesterdays top at 22C -
Taree
had 23C which was the States TOP temp. Absolutely beaut weather........BUT
I
notice some cirrus cloud now to the South.......prob the first signs of the
rain
expected late Thursday / Friday.
Paul at Port.
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:09:56 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Just been reading the Don W. weather blurb in todays Daily Telegraph.
The 1900 snow storms are the same snow stories I am using in my novel
:-)
Does anyone have any thoughts on the prospects of more snow for the
southern and central tablelands this year? It's been pretty quiet so far
and quite mild too, for us.
Any thoughts Don, Laurier, others?
Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:13:56 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> Just been reading the Don W. weather blurb in todays Daily Telegraph.
> The 1900 snow storms are the same snow stories I am using in my novel
> :-)
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the prospects of more snow for the
> southern and central tablelands this year? It's been pretty quiet so far
> and quite mild too, for us.
>
> Any thoughts Don, Laurier, others?
Ummm, many snow season years have started like this from the
records, namely; 62, 63, 65, 66, even 68 had a patch of little
snow between June W2 and July W2 etc. probably better to look
at the exceptions, since they are fewer, namely; 64 (the best),
70, 72, 74, 75, 77, 78, 80, 81, 86, 90 and 95. So it appears
to be quite common to get this "blocking high" effect early
in the season.
Medium/long term forecasts are currently lousy but they are
changing dramatically from week to week. So much so that I've
given up on them:-( That tends to be a seasonal thing that
is aggravated by nature of ENSO at this time of year.
El Nino's can be picked OK by the models but when it comes
to forecasting 2W+ Aussie weather, in particular, not so good.
Coming back under a 2W forecast, MRF has good prospects for
next week, as does GASP.
I could put it down to a lack of detailed modelling of the
Southern Ocean, in particular, the Antartic Circumpolar
Current (with others) and the wrapping of all this back
into the global coupled models. How I would love to bring
such data into my own modelling domain since the pattern
of the ACC, manifesting in the Antartic Circumpolar Wave,
may have a greater impact on winter weather system evolution
in SE Australia than what is happening toward the Equator.
That's a value judgement, I know, backed up with some early
research results from CLIVAR.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]
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Subject: aus-wx: Northern Aussie cold snap/Central Otago snowstorm
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:02:44 +1200
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After hearing about the current cold spell in tropical WA/Northern
Territory (Record low maximums?), I wonder how high would any mountain have
to be in that area to get snow?. (Presuming there is rain falling from any
clouds - I presume cloud cover contributed to the low maximums)
Speaking of snow, Central Otago got a heavy dumping last Friday
night/Saturday after the severe gales of Friday (combination of the two
resulted in widespread power cuts) Good news for the skiers - Coronet Peak
got over 1 metre!. The All-Blacks were training in Queenstown shortly after
the fall - they had to clear the snow from the field before they could
train!. Canterbury got good rain on the low country, but snow was confined
to the back country - still good news for the skiers since the snow now
means all Canterbury fields are now open.
Ben Tichborne
Christchurch
NZ
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: snow this year?
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 06:39:42 GMT
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On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:13:56 +1000, Michael Scollay
wrote:
>Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Just been reading the Don W. weather blurb in todays Daily Telegraph.
>> The 1900 snow storms are the same snow stories I am using in my novel
>> :-)
>>
>> Does anyone have any thoughts on the prospects of more snow for the
>> southern and central tablelands this year? It's been pretty quiet so far
>> and quite mild too, for us.
>>
>> Any thoughts Don, Laurier, others?
>
>Ummm, many snow season years have started like this from the
>records, namely; 62, 63, 65, 66, even 68 had a patch of little
>snow between June W2 and July W2 etc. probably better to look
>at the exceptions, since they are fewer, namely; 64 (the best),
>70, 72, 74, 75, 77, 78, 80, 81, 86, 90 and 95. So it appears
>to be quite common to get this "blocking high" effect early
>in the season.
The jet stream has also been extraordinarily fragmented for weeks on
end now, probably also indicative of a lack of overall circulation
strength. I think it's this that is making all the models so variable
and unreliable in their longer term outlooks. Most of the models,
e.g., have been going for heavy rain in SE Qld late in the week, but
did a complete about-face this morning.
These hiatuses are common enough in June, with their accompanying
blocking patterns, but they always break down in the long run as the
thermal engine gets into gear again. The fun is watching for the event
that will cause the break -- possibly next week as Michael says.
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:53:58 +1000
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Channel 7 Nightly News in Sydney in their report on the Tornadoes in Britan
took the angle that this was an unprecidented event (obviously this is far
form the truth). They introduced the story with "Twisters in Britan, what's
happening to the world's weather!" and yes, the terms 'freak storms' and
'mini-twisters' were used in the actual report.
Very disappointing, and misleading once again...
Andrew.
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:16:07 +0200
From: Tom Johnstone [Iain.Johnstone at pse.unige.ch]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Bad Reporting - GB Twisters
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Reports on both the BBC site and The Independent site refer to "mini
twisters" and "mini tornadoes". BTW, the BBC has some, albeit very limited,
Real Player video of a couple of the tornadoes.
www.bbb.co.uk
www.independent.co.uk
Tom
At 21:53 07/07/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Channel 7 Nightly News in Sydney in their report on the Tornadoes in Britan
>took the angle that this was an unprecidented event (obviously this is far
>form the truth). They introduced the story with "Twisters in Britan, what's
>happening to the world's weather!" and yes, the terms 'freak storms' and
>'mini-twisters' were used in the actual report.
>
>Very disappointing, and misleading once again...
>
>Andrew.
>
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>Andrew Miskelly
>Illawarra/Southern Tablelands
>amiskelly at ozemail.com.au
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:30:27 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Tom Johnstone wrote:
> Reports on both the BBC site and The Independent site refer to "mini
> twisters" and "mini tornadoes". BTW, the BBC has some, albeit very limited,
> Real Player video of a couple of the tornadoes.
>
AAAARGGGHHHH!!!!
Call TORRO - QUICK!!
Les
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:32:42 +0100
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Andrew Miskelly wrote:They introduced the story with "Twisters in Britan,
what's
> happening to the world's weather!" and yes, the terms 'freak storms' and
> 'mini-twisters' were used in the actual report.
AAARGGHHHH!!! T2 Tornado - freak storm with thirty three odd a year????
Les
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:47:07 +0100
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UK tornadoes.
NOT mini - twisters, freak weather or whatever.
http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid%5F387000/387200.stm
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:54:24 +0100
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Another URL for your pleasure...
http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_387000/387464.stm
...and acknowleged that they are not freak events!! (:
Les
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:32:20 +0200
From: Tom Johnstone [Iain.Johnstone at pse.unige.ch]
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At 14:16 07/07/99 +0200, you wrote:
>Reports on both the BBC site and The Independent site refer to "mini
>twisters" and "mini tornadoes". BTW, the BBC has some, albeit very limited,
>Real Player video of a couple of the tornadoes.
>
>www.bbb.co.uk
>www.independent.co.uk
>
>Tom
Oops - www.bbc.co.uk
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