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001 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] South Australian Severe Weather and Lightning page [update]
002 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Cold spots in Blackheath
003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Mild weather Continues
004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Cold spots in Blackheath
005 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] East coast action.. or lack of it
006 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Satpics back online...
007 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Cold spots in Blackheath
008 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Las Vegas Weather
009 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Orange weather
010 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] Mild weather Continues
011 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Orange weather
012 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] Thick FOG in Adelaide
013 "Patrick Tobin" [pdtobin at hotmail.com] Las Vegas Weather
014 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] Satpics back online...
015 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] AVN/MRF Address
016 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] AVN/MRF Address
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Subject: aus-wx: South Australian Severe Weather and Lightning page [update]
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Hi all,
I have updated the information on the South Australian Severe Weather and
Lightning page.
Updates include:
>: Merging of the Severe Weather page and my existing Lightning page.
>: Updating severe weather events up to May 1999. with Recent events for
June 1999, kept the same.
>: Making the page more user friendly, well I am trying to..
>: Beware the pop-up windows for the Virtual avenue Banner, I have not yet
included the HTML content into the webpages yet.
The page is located at http://lightning.virtualave.net
Tell me what you think, and please tell me of any changes that can be made
to improve the user friendly nature of the page..
Andrew Wall (VK5NAJ)
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South Australia.
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S.A. / N.T. Co-ordinator for the ASWA Inc.
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold spots in Blackheath
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:53:36 GMT
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On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:48:53 -0700, Lindsay
wrote:
>Laurier or others,
>
>Do you know of any particularly cold spots in Blackheath, ie: hollows or
>spots that are colder than say, the actual township?
>
Hi Lindsay
The town is about the warmest part on still nights, because it is
right on the ridgeline and on the small peaks north and south of the
shopping centre. Coldest points would probably be the suspended swamps
and valleys above Centennial Glen and between the main Evans Lookout
Road/ Govetts Leap Road/ Hat Hill Road ridges. The suspended swamps in
part owe their existence to being frost-hollows, which inhibits the
growth of trees, something that can be seen more clearly around the
Snowy Mountains where low flat country is generally tussocky
grassland, and trees only inhabit the ridges and slopes.
>I was down in the "Frog Hollow" area of Blackheath recently and it
>definately seemed a bit colder down there than at our place. There was
>more frost on the ground down that way and it did "feel" colder. Have
>you got any idea on how much colder it might get down that way on a
>still clear morning or indeed any other places in the Blackheth area
>that might also be colder than say, the township?
>
>
On still nights with clear skies, like we've had just recently, the
ground loses heat through radiation to the sky quite quickly, starting
as soon as direct sunlight stops falling onto the ground. So slopes
facing away from the sun (i.e. to the east or southeast) will start to
cool down even before sunset. As the ground cools, a thin layer of air
close to the ground is also cooled, begins to slide downslope (a
katabatic "wind"), and is replaced by warmer air above. On still
nights by about 9pm you can often actually see this movement if there
is smoke or fog forming. As the night progresses, cold air pools in
sheltered low locations, while the ridge tops can remain relatively
mild as air at ambient atmosphere temperature is drawn into the
katabatic flow. My guess would be that the temperature difference
could be 5 to 7C over relatively small distances between hilltop and
valley floor.
Even greater differences can occur if a warmish NW breeze springs up
during the night, as often happens as the high which caused the still
night drifts away to the east. This can raise temps on the ridgetop
several degrees, but the cold pool is protected by its inversion cap
and keeps losing heat through the night.
Remember, too, that in calm clear conditions, it is quite common to
have a further difference of 5 to 7 degrees between a screen-mounted
thermometer 1 metre above the ground and a grass minimum thermometer
suspended 1cm or so above the ground.
>Also, is it true that Blackheath is around one degree colder than say,
>Katoomba, generally speaking?
>
On average, yes. Katoomba's obs are taken at about 980m while much of
Blackheath is around 1060 to 1080m, and in rough terms air cools at
about 1C/100m.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:57:10 -0700
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Well, we've had a week of maximums of around 10 degrees here, sometimes
a bit more sometimes a bit less - very mild. Our mins have been around
the five mark and it really is feeling like spring here. It's already
ten degrees today and its only 10 am. The first three days of July were
coolish, around 7-8 degree maxs and the first of July gave us 15 mls of
rain but since then...no rain/snow and almost dare I say it, WARM.
Aristotle, if you're up there in heaven somewhere, can you ask God to
pull out his version of Meteorologica and flip to the "COLD" page? Be a
sport, huh?
Taa,
Lindsay P
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:30:34 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Thanks so much Laurier,
I'll sit down and read this more thoroughly when I get a chance.
fantastic stuff!
Lindsay P.
Laurier Williams wrote:
>
> On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:48:53 -0700, Lindsay
> wrote:
>
> >Laurier or others,
> >
> >Do you know of any particularly cold spots in Blackheath, ie: hollows or
> >spots that are colder than say, the actual township?
> >
> Hi Lindsay
>
> The town is about the warmest part on still nights, because it is
> right on the ridgeline and on the small peaks north and south of the
> shopping centre. Coldest points would probably be the suspended swamps
> and valleys above Centennial Glen and between the main Evans Lookout
> Road/ Govetts Leap Road/ Hat Hill Road ridges. The suspended swamps in
> part owe their existence to being frost-hollows, which inhibits the
> growth of trees, something that can be seen more clearly around the
> Snowy Mountains where low flat country is generally tussocky
> grassland, and trees only inhabit the ridges and slopes.
>
> >I was down in the "Frog Hollow" area of Blackheath recently and it
> >definately seemed a bit colder down there than at our place. There was
> >more frost on the ground down that way and it did "feel" colder. Have
> >you got any idea on how much colder it might get down that way on a
> >still clear morning or indeed any other places in the Blackheth area
> >that might also be colder than say, the township?
> >
> >
> On still nights with clear skies, like we've had just recently, the
> ground loses heat through radiation to the sky quite quickly, starting
> as soon as direct sunlight stops falling onto the ground. So slopes
> facing away from the sun (i.e. to the east or southeast) will start to
> cool down even before sunset. As the ground cools, a thin layer of air
> close to the ground is also cooled, begins to slide downslope (a
> katabatic "wind"), and is replaced by warmer air above. On still
> nights by about 9pm you can often actually see this movement if there
> is smoke or fog forming. As the night progresses, cold air pools in
> sheltered low locations, while the ridge tops can remain relatively
> mild as air at ambient atmosphere temperature is drawn into the
> katabatic flow. My guess would be that the temperature difference
> could be 5 to 7C over relatively small distances between hilltop and
> valley floor.
>
> Even greater differences can occur if a warmish NW breeze springs up
> during the night, as often happens as the high which caused the still
> night drifts away to the east. This can raise temps on the ridgetop
> several degrees, but the cold pool is protected by its inversion cap
> and keeps losing heat through the night.
>
> Remember, too, that in calm clear conditions, it is quite common to
> have a further difference of 5 to 7 degrees between a screen-mounted
> thermometer 1 metre above the ground and a grass minimum thermometer
> suspended 1cm or so above the ground.
>
> >Also, is it true that Blackheath is around one degree colder than say,
> >Katoomba, generally speaking?
> >
> On average, yes. Katoomba's obs are taken at about 980m while much of
> Blackheath is around 1060 to 1080m, and in rough terms air cools at
> about 1C/100m.
>
> --
> Laurier Williams
> Australian Weather Links and News
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:08:23 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
Not nearly as much rain up here in the last few days as some of the
models were predicting.. AVN still has heavy rain today and tonight for
us from a surface low which forms North of Brisbane and then moves
south.. but some other models disagree.. so it'll be interesting to see
what does happen.. Drizzle here for the last few hours.. as was the case
on and off yesterday, and the day before..
The drizzle is barely enough to make puddles, but enough to keep me from
mowing the lawn........ woohoo!! :)
BTW, any thoughts on what will happen off the east coast over the next
few days?? all models have some kind of low pressure action.. but it all
looks very very complicated.. some models form a low off the southern
QLD coast/NE NSW coast and then move it SE.. while others form it in the
same spot but move it down the east coast..
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Subject: aus-wx: Satpics back online...
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Hi everyone,
The following has been offline for about 3 weeks... It is now back online
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html
This site as most will know is good for animations and is very presentable.
It is not as real time as other sites but it does have an animation feature
up to 20 hours prior to the latest image. This will allow you to get images
you may have missed with 4km resolution.
Times are getting interesting on the east coast. See what happens.
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:42:29 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Excellent Laurier, excellent!
For a guy who knows a lot about the weather you describe it in simple
terms, very well.
Laurier Williams wrote:
> On still nights with clear skies, like we've had just recently, the
> ground loses heat through radiation to the sky quite quickly, starting
> as soon as direct sunlight stops falling onto the ground. So slopes
> facing away from the sun (i.e. to the east or southeast) will start to
> cool down even before sunset. As the ground cools, a thin layer of air
> close to the ground is also cooled, begins to slide downslope (a
> katabatic "wind"), and is replaced by warmer air above.
Lindsay said:
Yes, that makes sense to me. We live off Clanwilliam St. (Irvine Ave.)
and are basically situated close behind that hill (Park?) at the south
of town, so I would imagine our temps are in the relatively mild
department which augers well for our spring garden, I must add. Irvine
Ave is quite steep and it is interesting to walk down to the bottom of
the hill and feel the colder air in the early morning, especially as you
walk into the bush at the end of the street and head even further down
the track into the narrow valley, one of the lower lying areas you speak
off, I imagine.
Laurier said:
On still nights by about 9pm you can often actually see this movement
if there is smoke or fog forming. As the night progresses, cold air
pools in sheltered low locations, while the ridge tops can remain
relatively mild as air at ambient atmosphere temperature is drawn into
the katabatic flow. My guess would be that the temperature difference
could be 5 to 7C over relatively small distances between hilltop and
valley floor.
Lindsay said:
How interesting. I must pop outside and have a look at that time. I'll
just ask that neighbour to crank up his coal fire for me.
Laurier said:
Even greater differences can occur if a warmish NW breeze springs up
during the night, as often happens as the high which caused the still
night drifts away to the east. This can raise temps on the ridgetop
several degrees, but the cold pool is protected by its inversion cap and
keeps losing heat through the night.
Lindsay said:
Could you explain this inversion cap as it relates to this cold pool,
when you get time?
Taa,
Lindsay P.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:42:23 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Having just come back from a few day's break, I read a press report on
freak storms in Las Vegas, fdumping 750 mm in several hours !
750 ??? - hard to believe when the annual average is less than 100 mm
but does anyone know anything more about these recent events ?
Don White
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:54:49 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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There was a time when "Terry Bishop" from Orange provided this list with
many interesting bits on the local wetaher - even mentioned he was
setting up a rain gauge network around the town.
What has happened to Terry ?
Anyone know?
Don W.
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mild weather Continues
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:59:13 +1000
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Indeed it deos! It was 15 here (Taralga) today which is unheard of - and
rather dissapointing - for July/August. Somebody please, give us a cold
snap!
Andrew...
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From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Date: Sunday, 11 July 1999 12:51
Subject: aus-wx: Mild weather Continues
>Well, we've had a week of maximums of around 10 degrees here, sometimes
>a bit more sometimes a bit less - very mild. Our mins have been around
>the five mark and it really is feeling like spring here. It's already
>ten degrees today and its only 10 am. The first three days of July were
>coolish, around 7-8 degree maxs and the first of July gave us 15 mls of
>rain but since then...no rain/snow and almost dare I say it, WARM.
>
>Aristotle, if you're up there in heaven somewhere, can you ask God to
>pull out his version of Meteorologica and flip to the "COLD" page? Be a
>sport, huh?
>
>
>Taa,
>
>
>Lindsay P
>
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:04:58 +1000
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Don I asked that question myself several weeks ago. Got no information back
though. Dane Newman from a foggy Kilsyth.
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>From: Don White
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>Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 8:53 PM
>Subject: aus-wx: Orange weather
>There was a time when "Terry Bishop" from Orange provided this list with
>many interesting bits on the local wetaher - even mentioned he was
>setting up a rain gauge network around the town.
>What has happened to Terry ?
>Anyone know?
>Don W.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:08:15 +0930
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From: Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Thick FOG in Adelaide
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Hi everyone,
At approx 8:45pm local time, a band of Thick fog had moved in over
Paralowie, 20km's North of Adelaide, visability is reduced to approx 30
meters. Looks like a very foggy night in store for us.
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Don,
There was some footage on ABC TV news on
Saturday night (I think) showing scenes
of water flowing through the streets.
Also showed shots of vehicles washed away
along drainage lines and made the point
that a lot of locals - unused to any
significant precipitation - panicked and
engaged in inappropriate escape activities
(like crossing flooded streams etc).
Can't recall if the report actually
mentioned a rainfall figure. I think I
would have remembered a figure as high
as you are quoting...
Patrick
>
>Having just come back from a few day's break, I read a press report on
>freak storms in Las Vegas, fdumping 750 mm in several hours !
>750 ??? - hard to believe when the annual average is less than 100 mm
>but does anyone know anything more about these recent events ?
>Don White
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:07:11 +1000
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Hi Jimmy and all,
Beware the coast of SE Australia! The GASP & MRF
models look very interesting for next weekend!
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The following has been offline for about 3 weeks... It is now back online
>
> http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html
>
> This site as most will know is good for animations and is very presentable.
> It is not as real time as other sites but it does have an animation feature
> up to 20 hours prior to the latest image. This will allow you to get images
> you may have missed with 4km resolution.
>
> Times are getting interesting on the east coast. See what happens.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
To: "AusWx" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: AVN/MRF Address
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:08:00 +1000
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Hi all,
I don't know where all of you get you're MRF and AVN stuff from, but I found
another good source tonight.
http://weather.unisys.com/mrf/mrf_500p_9panel_aus.html
This site has a 10 day forecast, and depending on it's accuracy forecasts
exactly the same pattern for next Monday that gave us our one and only snow
event this year (oh, that's right I missed out, we need a SW stream here!).
We'll have to see because as I look at it now, it forecasts a situation
where snow would be falling out of thunderstorms for the following wednesday
(low over NSW in the middle of a cold SW airstream)...
--
Andrew Miskelly
Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW
amiskelly at ozemail.com.au
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:11:07 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: AVN/MRF Address
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Yes we have worked on that site which has improved.
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/links/ozcharts.htm
This URL has a fair few links to follow if you wish
Jimmy Deguara
At 23:08 11/07/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I don't know where all of you get you're MRF and AVN stuff from, but I found
>another good source tonight.
>
>http://weather.unisys.com/mrf/mrf_500p_9panel_aus.html
>
>This site has a 10 day forecast, and depending on it's accuracy forecasts
>exactly the same pattern for next Monday that gave us our one and only snow
>event this year (oh, that's right I missed out, we need a SW stream here!).
>
>We'll have to see because as I look at it now, it forecasts a situation
>where snow would be falling out of thunderstorms for the following wednesday
>(low over NSW in the middle of a cold SW airstream)...
>
>--
>Andrew Miskelly
>Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW
>amiskelly at ozemail.com.au
>
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