From                                           Subject
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001 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Sydney Scud
002 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           SA Funnel cloud (!)
003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Sound of snow...
004 "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]               Melbourne Weather
005 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Sydney Night Out
006 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Weak line of Showers + T'storms yesterday evening
007 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          (no subject)
008 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au]            Sydney Scud
009 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        The most extreme polar outbreaks ever in Australia
010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Sydney 1947 Thunderstorm
011 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Snow for Central Tabs?
012 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Sydney Scud
013 "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au]              Weak line of Showers + T'storms yesterday evening
014 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]         Heavy rain in Canterbury
015 "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]               Michael Fewings

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:31:21 +0100
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Daniel Weatherhead wrote:

> Hi Everyone
>
> Attached to this base was a dynamic scud formation. I watched it with no
> other
> fascination other than a interesting cloud. But as the cloub base got
> nearer, the scud grew longer and strangely twisted becoming more smooth.
> This took my attention.
> Then I noticed around where the scud was attatched to the cloud base was
> small, individual vorticies. I counted five. They kept spinniing themselves
> out then reappearing. Then within a minute the whole this just twisted into
> nothing.

Pardon me for puttiny my pennyworth in but this sounds like updraught
teghtening, quite a common event here.

Les

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:34:39 +0100
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Phil Bagust wrote:

> >It occurred under a relatively lower Ns base (as you can see on the
> >picture).  I know many people do not believe this was a funnel/tornado -
> >however, afer long hard thought, I believe it was.

The pic looks like updraught tightening as well, again quite a common event in
the UK on cold fronts.

Les

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:36:00 -0700
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Yes, good point. :-)

WE have clip-lock roofing, it's insulated but snow tends to have a
particular sound on our roof. It's a little like, um, say, sand
scattering across the roof. Admittedly, most snow that falls here is in
the -1 to 1 degree range. 

Lindsay P.

Andrew Miskelly wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's quite ironic that snow sounds so good on the roof because if it's
> any good you can't hear it. hahahah! We do have thick ceilings though...
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> --
> Andrew Miskelly
> Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW
> amiskelly at ozemail.com.au
> 
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From: "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:40:52 +1000
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Morning all,

Been a while since i've posted to the list mainly due to our lack of
weather.  June and July have so far proved to be very boring (but nice
weather) with one exception being June 15th.  Finally, these high pressure
systems have weakened ever so slightly so as to allow some cold air up this
way.  The forecast is for a few days of cooler weather - hopefully leading
to some snow falls on the alps - they need it pretty badly.  Us
melbourninans have been sitting watching everyone else enjoy the weather.

NSW - ECL or low of some description (the debate still goes on)
QLD - they seem to have a chance of thunderstorms once a week at least.
SA - some nice fronts, lows, tornadoes and funnels.
WA - several tornadoes and plenty of intense cold fronts keeping things
interesting over there.
UK - storms and tornadoes.

Then we come to good old VICTORIA.  The weather has been sooooooo boring. 
Nights haven't been cold enough for frosts, days are usually sunny but not
warm enough to do anything and if it does get cloudy - usually when one of
the weakening fronts slips to our south - then all we get is Sc.  The only
half decent thing worth taking photos of has been the few nice sunsets we
have had.  Come on people - be generous and send some severe weather our
way (actually any weather would do at the moment).  Snow would be greatly
appreciated (I'm going skiing next week).

Anyway - enough whingeing.

Here is our forecast.

Isolated showers will become more widespread in western and central areas
during saturday afternoon and evening with local thunderstorms possible.

Sunday night will see the 540 thickness line take a long awaited holiday to
our north with thickness forecast to go below 536 during monday.  Hopefully
this will result in some half decent snow falls - up to 15cm - at the major
resorts.

Anyway - the 540 line seems to hang right over melbourne for this whole
week - taking a northward holiday each time another front comes through. 
This should see some more snow fall on the mountains and give us
melbournians something to do.

Andrew McDonald - the bored melbournian.



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Hi everyone,

Geoff Thurtell and I went to The Mean Fiddler out Rouse Hill last night. It 
was a good atmosphere. I am planning to make it a weekly visit say from 
7:30pm onwards. Now ASWA or people on the list from NSW may want to begin a 
regular gathering. It makes it much easier to meet and not have to get 
phone calls and e-mail messages and wondering if people turn up or not. We 
could make it a once in every week or two week gathering on Friday and 
perhaps vary it once in a while to another location. What do you think?

Like I said, I will be going there from now on regularly on the Fridays and 
if people want to join in, they can do so. If you haven't been, it is quite 
a poplular place. If anyone is interested, they can team up with someone 
and go if they wish or ring me to see if I am going. In summer, the only 
thing that can stop it..... storm chase. Perhaps a good place to meet 
afterwards!!!

Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:19:26 +1000
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Hi all,

A weak line of showers and local thunderstorms went through SE QLD
yesterday...I only scored a measily 6mm, but mum who was in Coorparoo at
the time (inner eastern suburbs) said the rain was quite heavy there. 
There were a few patchy strikes on tracker, but it didn't last long, and
it maxed out on 6 whites.

Did anyone receive anything nice?  So far, I've had 97.4mm for July -
well above the July average of 62mm, but nowhere as much as our NE NSW
counterparts.

Anthony from Brisbane
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Michael Bath and I had embarked on a programme of sorts, to sort out all 
the photographs according to types. To sort out all the 3500 or so 
photographs, Michael Bath wrote a program which has meant that instead of 
taking weeks, it has only taken a couple of days. The photography section 
still looks the same except that the categories have many more sections or 
pages with 20 photographs in each page maximum. For instance, a particular 
photograph may have cumulonimbus base features, a precipitation cascade and 
perhaps also is a shelf cloud. That photo will then be classified in all 
three sections. This is what many e-mails over the years have suggested. 
People that wanted to look at particular sections did not want to look 
through the whole lot just to look at a few photographs!

For those that are interested, the URL is still the same:

http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/index.html

For those that only want to look at thunderstorms, you can do it. Enjoy.

Jimmy Deguara
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>Hi Everyone
>
>Today i witnessed a very interesting cloud formation. I was driving along
>the Windsor Rd at about 1:30 shopping for Australian Native Plants. To the
>South of me a very dark cloud base was quickly passing by me. Attached to
>this base was a dynamic scud formation. I watched it with no other
>fascination other than a interesting cloud. But as the cloub base got
>nearer, the scud grew longer and strangely twisted becoming more smooth.
>This took my attention.
>Then I noticed around where the scud was attatched to the cloud base was
>small, individual vorticies. I counted five. They kept spinniing themselves
>out then reappearing. Then within a minute the whole this just twisted into
>nothing.
>
>I know Matt Smith has witnessed similar things on normal cloudy days. Has
>anyone else??
>
>Just thought I would share that interesting piece of weather phenomena with
>you all.
>
>Daniel Weatherhead

Hi Daniel,

I, for one, am rapidly becoming convinced that all sorts of strange small
scale vorticity can occur in decidedly non-supercell looking clouds (or
even non CuN!).  The trick is that these things are very short lived, you
have to be at the right place at the right time and you have to keep paying
attention...

Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The most extreme polar outbreaks ever in Australia
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> 
>  When did they occur?. I'm not talking about the heaviest snowfall events
> or very intense frost inducing anticyclones. The sort of event I'm
> referring to would be something like the cold outbreak of early July 1984,
> with snow and ice right up to southern Queensland.

July 1984 is certainly the one in the last 40 years with the impact
over the widest area, although its most notable effects were from
central New South Wales northwards; in Victoria and Tasmania (and in
the alpine areas) it was the sort of outbreak one might expect to
get once every year or two. In the north it was a different story.
(As an example, it was below zero at Armidale continuously for about
36 hours).

The others which come to mind in recent years are those of 25 July 1986,
12 June 1993 and 31 May 1977. The maximum temperature at Cabramurra
(the only alpine site with a long record of reasonable quality, and a
good indicator of cold outbreak intensity because of its exposure)
reached its lowest recorded value of -4.8 on 25 July 1986, with -4.5
on 31 May 1977 the other instance of -4 or lower. 7 September 1995 
was notable in Victoria and Tasmania, less so further north.

In Western Australia, the event of 25-26 June 1956 (in which Perth 
failed to reach 10 on two successive days) stands out, although 19
November 1992 is also notable as an out-of-season event.

Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I went to the BoM today to talk with Jeff with a few things, and also
> share some information with him that I found by going through old
> newspapers on microfilm last week.
> 
> Anyway - Jeff gave me a job to do, and that was to type up the list of
> severe t'storms (in particular hailstorms) in QLD between 1935 and
> 1953.  It also contains othern information on other significant
> thunderstorms in Australia.
> 
> One that caught my eye, was a Sydney thunderstorm, of which I've typed
> out below:
> 
> 1.1.47 SYDNEY.  Roofs damaged in hailstorms.  Also furniture, etc.
> 
> And then below this it says:
> 
> 1.1.47 SYDNEY (additional to above).  Record hailstorm, over a million
> pounds damage, neon signs, aircraft, cars, gardens, electric wires,
> damaged.  Trees stripped.  Roofs caved in, tiles, windows panes, roofs
> smashed.  Over 300 people injured by hail, glass and tiles and Randwick
> race course and Bondi and Sports ground.  Hail stones up to 8 inches
> across, bigger than cricket balls, worst area Hurstville and Bankstown
> northeast to the Harbour.  Greatest damage east of City and eastern
> suburbs, area 15 X 12 miles affected, lasted 10 minutes, about 2.30pm.
> 
> For those who are wondering, 8 inches = 20cm across.  And one million
> pounds in 1947 would be a phenomenal amount of money if they were
> inflated - my guess is if it were inflated, then this figure would be
> around the figure of the April 14 t'storm.

I suspect that the stones might actually have been 8 inches in 
circumference - this would make them 6-7 cm across (which makes sense
given the reference to cricket balls).

Inflation hasn't galloped quite that far! I'd guess $100 million would
be a more realistic equivalent (I'll look up the long-term CPI figures
in the library on Monday) - although the original million pounds
is probably an underestimate.

> Certainly, a very interesting event - does anyone else have more
> information on this???  If anyone is interested in researching this
> event (going through newspapers for articles and clippings) I will
> gladly go halves with the cost.  Please email me personally.
> 
> 
I'll see what there is in the Bureau library on Monday. They have a
set of press clippings from the time, although most of them come from
Melbourne papers so the coverage may be a bit limited.

Blair Trewin
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:24:19 -0700
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The Bureau is going for possible snow on the higher parts of the central
Tablelands for mon/tues. Lets hope so. I'll keep the list posted if it
develops.

As of now, at 5:42pm on Saturday, there is a decent band of pre-frontal
cloud coming in from the west/nw.

Lindsay P.

> 
>

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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:04:31 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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> Hi Daniel,
>
> I, for one, am rapidly becoming convinced that all sorts of strange small
> scale vorticity can occur in decidedly non-supercell looking clouds (or
> even non CuN!).  The trick is that these things are very short lived, you
> have to be at the right place at the right time and you have to keep paying
> attention...
>

This sounds about right, in small Cu / Cb the downdraught can make the updraught
strart to spin and at the same time the upward vortex starts to become smaller,
result FC or rope tornado (as they are known here). These things can get quite
nasty if they touch down, up to T7 on the Torro Scale.

This kind of event can happen wherever there is an updraught / downdraught close
to each other; this can happen in non - supercell clouds,  presumably it could
happen to an updraught only if something sets it spinning.....

>

Les has seen these kind of event time after time, the trick is not just to watch
that overshooting top and rock hard anvil  that is 50km away but keep an eye on
that smaller scale convection above your head.

I've a photo of what looks like a vortex couplet (but isnt) as well in an MCS
which looks supercellular but isnt but you'll have to wait 'till November to see
that!

LC

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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au]
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----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Weak line of Showers + T'storms yesterday evening


So far, I've had 97.4mm for July -
> well above the July average of 62mm, but nowhere as much as our NE NSW
> counterparts.
>
> Anthony from Brisbane

Hi Anthony,

I've recorded 170mm (to the nearest mm) so far this month........think I'll
grow webbed feet.......quack
See Ya's
John from Ballina

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From: "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]
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Subject: aus-wx: Heavy rain in Canterbury
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:54:54 +1200
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 The forecast heavy rain for Canterbury has certainly arrived, at least
from Christchurch northwards. Pissing down all day in the city, and even
worse to the north with widespread surface flooding. Virtually no change in
temperature (averaging 8-9 degrees) from last night through today.

 Further to the subject of extreme polar outbreaks, the worst in NZ's
recent history could be that of June 20-22 1976, when heavy snow fell in
Dunedin, Christchurch, and Wellington's hill suburbs, while
snowflakes/sleet were even reported in central Auckland. While no proper
polar blasts have affected NZ so far this winter, the cold snap of April
16/17 was extreme for that time of the year.

Ben Tichborne
Christchurch
NZ

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From: "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Michael Fewings
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:42:14 +1000
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Hi Mike,

I've tried contacing you via email (at both your personal email address and
webmaster at severeweather.asn.au) several times each and keep getting errors. So
I'm trying the list as a last resort.

Does anyone know how to contact Mike?

Cheers,

Marty.
Brisbane, Australia
martyp at dynamite.com.au
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