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001 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Australian Weather Pages Webring
002 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] Sea temp & SOI information
003 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Sea temp & SOI information
004 "W.A. (Bill) Webb" [billwebb at tpgi.com.au] [Fwd: Re: [WX-CHASE] evapotranspiration]
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Chilly Mt Victoria
006 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] [Fwd: Re: [WX-CHASE] evapotranspiration]
007 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] high Pressure
008 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] Sydney University Vislab, 24 hour forecast model...
009 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Chilly
010 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Lifted Index page
011 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] cold in Queensland
012 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] cold in Queensland
013 "Joanne Walker" [jmwalker at hotmail.com] cold in Queensland
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:15:32 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
This email is just to let people know that i have set up a webring for
Australian Weather Pages, as we don't actually have one for Australia..
I will be emailing the webmasters of all the Australian Weather pages
that i know of over the next week or so, but if anyone on the list has a
weather page and would like to join i will point you in the right
direction now..
If you were to join, the following HTML fragments would appear on your
site.. the first URL is an example of what you would use if you have a
black background on your page.. the second URL is an example of what you
would use if you have a white background on your page..
Black background
http://www.flatrate.net.au/~bodie/webring/htmlcode/code-black.htm
White background
http://www.flatrate.net.au/~bodie/webring/htmlcode/code-white.htm
These are just examples of the code that goes on your page, do not use
these if you are going to join.. if you join, the correct customised
HTML code will be sent to you via email..
If anyone is unsure of how to go about placing the code on the page i
have no dramas with helping you out..
This can only increase the hits on your site.. so i hope everyone
considers joining the webring.. If you want to join, you can do so by
going to the webring homepage which you can find at:
http://www.flatrate.net.au/~bodie/webring/index.htm
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:04:49 +1000
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Hi all,
I noticed that Weather 21 sometimes has charts depicting sea
temps around Oz, and SOI. Where does this info come from (URL)?
Cheers Peter(didjman).
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:02:38 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Peter..
You can get SST data from a number of locations on the net.. I have
uploaded some links to some webspace for you, as there are quite a few..
You can find it at:
http://www.nemas.net/edu/sstlinks.htm
And this is where i get SOI data from, there may be better sites..
http://www.dnr.qld.gov.au/longpdk/latest/latest.htm
That DNR site is a very good site.. lots of other products for Australia
there as well..
peter matters wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I noticed that Weather 21 sometimes has charts depicting sea
> temps around Oz, and SOI. Where does this info come from (URL)?
> Cheers Peter(didjman).
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From: "W.A. (Bill) Webb" [billwebb at tpgi.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: [Fwd: Re: [WX-CHASE] evapotranspiration]
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:09:53 +1000
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Hi Anthony and all,
Some quick comments on this subject. I'm in the business of helping farmers
manage irrigation of sugar cane, so the subject is of some interest,
although purely from an agronomic viewpoint. How weather may be modified by
plant growth is a mistery to me. The age old question - what came first, the
rain forest or the rain !!!
I think in the overall scheme of things, what is growing on the land is
largely irrelevant. Irrigation will increase evapotranspiration in the
absence or rain, but the irrigation water has to come from somewhere, and
the net effect on moisture in the atmosphere should be zero in the overall
sense.
Some comments below.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Anthony Cornelius
>Hi all,
>
>I thought this was a very interesting email, involving
>evapotranspiration and how it effects the wx. Makes you wonder how much
>we have really altered the climate by doing things like this, although
>I'd like concrete evidence on the evapotranspiration effects before I
>start saying too much, but in theory, it appears sound.
>
>Anthony Cornelius
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: [WX-CHASE] evapotranspiration
>Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:07:58 -0400
>From: Stephen Jascourt
>Reply-To: Stephen Jascourt
>To: WX-CHASE at POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU
>
>Lon Curtis provided a fine description of evapotranspiration.
>A few things I should add:
>Corn is extremely efficient at evapotranspiration. Corn fields will give
>off more water than evaporation over a flat surface of water!
Plants do not "pump" water from ground to atmosphere. The process is driven
by evaporation, and is called evapotranspiration. Hence, while plants have
means to restrict water loss from the surface of their leaves (some are
better at it than others), they cannot lose moisture at a rate greater than
evaporation. The amount of water a plant transpires under zero moisture
stress is governed by the green leaf area exposed to the atmosphere and
radiation.
> Wheat is
>not
>nearly as effective - agreeing with what you might think would be the
>case
>- wheat is a grass and is adapted to a drier climate than corn.
Corn is also a grass, although the above only implies rather than states
otherwise. However, its leaf area and biomass is much greater than that of
wheat, so it needs more water.
>This is
>why
>you see 80 dewpoints in the upper midwest but seldom in the southern
>plains/lower midwest.
snip
loses me here, not enough background info. on what he's on about. We also
run crop growth models alongside irrigation models, and although we
obviously connect them to weather data, we don't connect them to weather in
the sense of effect on weather.
>Enough for now.
>
>Stephen Jascourt jascourt at earthlink.net
I suspect things could get more complicated, and maybe more interesting,
from here on.
Bill
Proserpine.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:22:45 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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We actually had some light sleet outside the Mt Victoria Pub this
arvo.(Sunday 3:30pm) It was around 4 degrees when we got back to
Blackheath but dryer than Mount Vic. Lower cloud at Mount vic. and maybe
3 degrees, I'd guess or even slighly less.
Lindsay Pearce
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: [Fwd: Re: [WX-CHASE] evapotranspiration]
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:10:07 +1000
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Hi all,
Merely to comment on this, I suggest that it is not entirely accurate. The
process of Osmosis essentially drives fluid up a plant. In some plants,
e,g., members of the Araceae family, Osmotic pressure is sufficiently high
to cause fluid to actually drip out of the leaves. Anyone who doubts this
may visit our Office where we have a particularly large Dieffenbachia
Amoena, the leaves of which drip so profusely for 3 or 4 days after
watering, that small puddles manifest beneath the leaf tips on the carpet.
I have observed similar behaviour in both Philodendron and Alocasia
species. Quite clearly moisture loss in these species at least, is greater
than that due to evaporation alone.
Some other interesting facts... A mature Eucalypt uses some 100..120
litres of water a day on average. 6,000 trees on a 100 acre block have
the capacity to extract in excess of 200 million litres of water per year
from the water table. The contribution to atmospheric moisture from large
forested areas is therefore considerable.
John.
>snip
Plants do not "pump" water from ground to atmosphere. The process is driven
by evaporation, and is called evapotranspiration. Hence, while plants have
means to restrict water loss from the surface of their leaves (some are
better at it than others), they cannot lose moisture at a rate greater than
evaporation. The amount of water a plant transpires under zero moisture
stress is governed by the green leaf area exposed to the atmosphere and
radiation.
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From: "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: high Pressure
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:52:39 EST
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Hi John!
Sorry I'm so late to this thread....but...
it's no surprise really...everyone I've talked to has said that a
low-level-jet (in a spa particularly) enhances upward motion...
Kevin.
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>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:19:48 +1000
>
> >snip
>
>Yeah Anthony, I tried the Mr Matey, but all the bubbles acts as an
>insulator inhibiting the generation of steamy updraughts. I find turning
>on the spa jets greatly assists however.
>
>John.
>
>p.s. I hope all this adds some amusement to our otherwise rather boring
>times.
>
> > I had to fill up the spa-bath last night with really hot water so I
>could
> > create TCu in the bathroom. Really is fascinating stuff, convection in
> > microcosm. You even
> > get the occasional very brief vortex. You need to get the room dew point
> > right to see the development and I find it helps if you can arrange (as
>I
> > can) open windows high near the ceiling to provide a cold cross layer...
> > (reckon it beats throwing a bucket of ice cubes over the backyard to
> > simulate hail, Anthony).
>
>ROFL!!! Hmm...I'm still not sure if anything beats throwing a 4kg block of
>ice onto concrete to stimulate hail :) I'd throw it on the roof, but I
>think
>I might need that!!
>You should get the Mr Matey bubble bath out to help make some more solid
>looking TCU, and if you're really clever, you might be able to add an anvil
>too!
>
>We had 8.4mm to 9am there, currently 13.8C (10:47am).... brrrrrrr cold!!!!
>
>Anthony from Brisbane
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney University Vislab, 24 hour forecast model...
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:34:42 PDT
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If you haven't seen this already, take a look:
http://www.vislab.usyd.edu.au/vislab/weather/
- Paul G
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:19:30 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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8:40 pm Sunday
3 degrees here at Blackheath with a wetbulb nudging 2. We have cold
light rain/sleet falling. Interesting conditions considering its an
easterly flow. Quite chilly.
Lindsay P.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Index page
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:11:17 +1000
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Quite a page you guys have now.
Thanks again for educating me.
Michael
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From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Sent: Saturday, 24 July 1999 21:10
Subject: aus-wx: Lifted Index page
> Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
>
> Anthony Cornelius and I have been working on a Lifted Index page over
> the past few weeks, and it is now ready for the web.. You can find it
> at:
>
> http://www.nemas.net/edu/liftedindex/liftedindex.htm
>
> And this page is now part of the NEMAS weather education section, which
> can be found here:
>
> http://www.nemas.net/edu/index.htm
>
> The page offers an explanation of what the Lifted Index is, how it works
> and also how to plot Lifted Index forecasts for anywhere in the world
> (including a guide to the AVN and MRF raw data site)..
>
> I cannot recommend this page highly enough for anyone who likes
> thunderstorms on this list.. the Lifted Index is probably the most
> useful forecasted variable that we have available in Australia.. and the
> forecasts are very very easy to comprehend..
>
> I also have to thank Jacob Aufdemkampe (co-owner of the list) for his
> help on the timezones for the AVN datasets..
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:19:16 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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The 3 pm Saturday temps in SE Queensland seemed very low -in Bundaberg
it was 13 - top temp in Maryborough and Brisbane 14 - was this unusually
cold - do any locals or Blair with his data base have any details ?
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:40:46 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Don,
I can confirm that it was DAM cold on Saturday! I only reached a max of
14.1C, after a min of 13.2C, most of the day was between 13.4C and 13.8C.
Heaters got a work out :)
Anthony from Brisbane
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> The 3 pm Saturday temps in SE Queensland seemed very low -in Bundaberg
> it was 13 - top temp in Maryborough and Brisbane 14 - was this unusually
> cold - do any locals or Blair with his data base have any details ?
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I can also confirm this as I was outside for most of the afternoon watching
a schoolboys rugby game. All day it constantly rained and with the wind
blowing, an umbrella only kept your top half dry. A much more pleasant day
today, with only occasional drizzle. Saw quite a nice rainbow while
watching (another) football game at Eagleby.
Also did anybody watch the lightning show on Foxtel at 8pm tonight. It was
very interesting, covering all sorts of research into lightning, as well as
the usual picture shows and retelling of tragic occurences. I taped it (but
missed five minutes from the beginning) so Ill bring it to the next meeting
for everyone to enjoy.
JO from Brisbane
>From: Anthony Cornelius
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: cold in Queensland
>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:40:46 +1000
>
>Hi Don,
>
>I can confirm that it was DAM cold on Saturday! I only reached a max of
>14.1C, after a min of 13.2C, most of the day was between 13.4C and 13.8C.
>
>Heaters got a work out :)
>
>Anthony from Brisbane
>
>Don White wrote:
>
> > The 3 pm Saturday temps in SE Queensland seemed very low -in Bundaberg
> > it was 13 - top temp in Maryborough and Brisbane 14 - was this unusually
> > cold - do any locals or Blair with his data base have any details ?
> > don w
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