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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Tuesday, 3 August 1999

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001 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        A very benign situation
002 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Where our winter's gone..or where it might be coming from?
003 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              old tales predicting weather
004 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Bring it on!!!!!
005 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  A matter of concern.."
006 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  A matter of concern..
007 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]         A matter of concern..
008 "Adam Mayo" [oyam at bigpond.com]                  Big Frost
009 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  A matter of concern..
010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        A matter of concern..
011 Matt Smith[disarm at braenet.com.au]              bit of humour...
012 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au]             Big Frost
013 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]         Big Frost
014 steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au]               latest loops
015 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]         A matter of concern..
016 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]         A matter of concern..
017 Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com]             Brisbane Wx
018 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]             SE QLD Storms + 
019 Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com]             Brisbane Wx
020 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]            storms near Grafton
021 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]             (no subject)
022 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  Brisbane Wx
023 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Fw:      old tales predicting weather
024 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]         Where our winter's gone..or where it might be coming from?
025 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]         A matter of concern..
026 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]         Some Cb way to SE of Wollongong
027 "Daniel Weatherhead" [dpw14 at hotmail.com]       Video Night Friday 13th!!
028 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Bring it on!!!!!
029 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Where our winter's gone..or where it might be coming from?
030 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Brisbane Wx
031 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   A very benign situation
032 "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]               fogbow / NE NSW obs

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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: A very benign situation
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:17:03 +1000 (EST)
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Just noticed that there are no warnings current anywhere in 
Australia - the only warning on the Bureau site is a ocean gale
warning for waters well south-west of Western Australia.

Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Where our winter's gone..or where it might be coming from?
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:36:47 +1000 (EST)
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> 
> Seems like South Africa is copping our winter. Have a look at the
> following brief summary, and
> 
> http://cirrus.sawb.gov.za/ (then go to sea level pressure analysis)
> 
> to see why..
> 
> THE REGIONAL WEATHER FORECAST FOR TODAY:-1999-08-02.
> ISSUED AT 06:00 BY THE SOUTH AFRICAN WEATHER BUREAU.
> THIS FORECAST WILL BE UPDATED AT 12:00.
> 
> 
> WARNINGS:
> --------
> 1. BITTERLY COLD, WET AND WINDY CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED OVER THE HIGH
> GROUND
> OF THE SOUTH-WESTERN CAPE INTERIOR AND THE ESCARPMENT OF NAMAQUALAND.
> 2. SNOWFALLS ARE EXPECTED IN THE MOUNTAINS OF THE BOLAND AND
> SOUTH-WESTERN
> CAPE INTERIOR.
> 3. GALE-FORCE WESTERLY WINDS ARE EXPECTED ALONG COAST BETWEEN CAPE POINT
> AND CAPE AULHAS,  SPREADING SLOWLY EASTWARDS THIS AFTERNOON AND REACHING
> PORT ELIZABETH BY EVENING.  THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY VERY ROUGH SEA
> CONDITIONS WITH A TOTAL SEA AND SWELL REACHING 5 TO 7 METRES.
> 4. HOT, DRY AND WINDY CONDITIONS CONDUCIVE TO THE SPREAD OF VELDFIRES
> ARE
> EXPECTED OVER KWAZULU-NATAL AND SWAZILAND SPREADING TO THE LOWVELD AND
> AND ADJACENT ESCARPMENT AREAS LATER.

Looks quite impressive - although I've certainly seen more spectacular
cold outbreaks in South Africa. This winter actually seems to have
been pretty mild, in Johannesburg at least - I haven't seen a below-
zero minimum from there yet (their July mean minimum is about 4).

Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:27:18 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Marty, Peter, everyone...

This is an extract out of a book called "Natures Weather Watch: A guide
to forecasting the weather by observing animal and plant life", written
by Glenda John..

SPRINGS - It is common for springs and creeks to stop flowing, or dry
up, during long periods of dry weather whent he supply of underground
water is depleted.  After sufficient rain falls the flow or supply in
the aquifer is replenished.  But, there are instances just prior to the
end of a drought of springs opening up and dry creek beds showing wet
patches.  Why?

Studies conducted on sand islands (those consisting mainly of sand)
around the coast of Australia have shown that there can be variations in
water table levels when the atmospheric pressure rises or falls. 
However, there are no known controlled studies to confirm that
atmospheric pressure has any noticeable effect on water table levels on
mainland Australia.

But the fact remains - in some regions springs can begin to flow and
creek beds can show damp patches, or sometimes small pools of water,
prior to a substantial change in the weather.

********

This is a great little book and it comes highly reccomended..

re the BOM not forecasting the rain events.. I think we have to remember
the repercussions of a BOM forecast.. a forecast of a rain event a week
away can have a large impact on tourism just to name one.. and as anyone
with a basic knowlege of the weather knows that it is always changing,
and the weather is sometimes hard to forecast more than 48-72 hours
out.. so sometimes the BOM may not express these rain situations in
their forecasts for various reasons, but that does not mean that they
are not aware of the approaching situation.. there have been many times
just in the past few months in SE QLD when they have not started
forecasting rain untill the 24-48 hours before the event.. Something to
think about anyway...

Marty wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I received the following email from another list and thought one of you smart
> and knowledgeable folk might be familiar with such an unusual phenomenon, or
> should I say belief.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marty.
> Brisbane, Australia
> martyp at dynamite.com.au
> Images of Canberra: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp
> Lightning Photos: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
> ICQ: 11790565
> 
> >Hi
> >Since moving to the country some 15 years ago, and developing close bonds
> >with various people involved in farming, I have often marvelled at the
> >many and oft repeated ways in which these people try to predict the
> >weather, especially rain.
> >The one way which intrigues me, is one where underground springs start to
> >run, and rain follows about a week later, the amount of run of the spring
> >indicates the amount of the rain. Many local farmers have such a spring,
> >which has worked for generations (according to them)
> >I live on the top of the ranges north of Bega, the ground around here is
> >decomposed granite and therefore extremely porous. In one corner of the
> >property, on a high spot, there is a permanent damp spot, even through
> >extended drought. At times this spot becomes waterlogged, with clear
> >water, and run-off, and sure enough this is usually followed within 2
> >weeks by significant rain. The rain is often not predicted by the weather
> >bureau, and the times of flow do not co-incide with changes in
> >atmospheric pressurem either up or down.
> >Is there some sort of sub terranean pressure system, forcing the water
> >upwards, and if so can this in any way be linked to rain?
> >regards
> >Peter
> >
> 
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:49:19 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..

Just going over the models quickly this morning and i think we could see
some storms over inland SE QLD thisafternoon.. there is a weak trough
stretching from near NW QLD through the central interior to the SE
inland.. and with -1 LI's and some niceish VV's on the border ranges the
setup is there for some weak storms..

EC has a weak trough lingering roughly in it's current position for the
next few days (or drifting west slightly maybe), and BOM is going for
showers and local thunder over the Darling Downs right up until
thursday.. some models are actually looking quite interesting for inland
QLD over the next few days.. hopefully some weather will make it to the
coast..
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:59:30 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Subject: Dealing with spam - Was "Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern.."
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Keith Barnett wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry that the following is not directly weather-related but I have
> just received, gratuitously and totally unsolicited, pornographic email
> from some wacky website.

The formal way of dealing with spam is to forward such mail,
with headers complete, to the "postmaster" at the ISP or
mail server to which you belong clearly marked as "Spam".
If the postmaster is able, that address is then marked for
blocking. In the long run, spam lists can become very large
for a large ISP or corporate. The response to this is to
extend the spam net to whole domains. As a result, the force
of numbers blocking addresses up to domains will keep spam
to a manageable minimum, it is hoped. To regulate completely
is a pipe dream. This is a form of self-administered internet
regulation by the force of cooperative numbers in an open 
internet. The only way it can work is for people who receive
spam to advise their postmaster. If they don't, the postmaster
has no way of knowing, hence spamming continues without any
form of regulation.

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:11:22 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Les Crossan wrote:
> 
> ...download a mailbomb program and mailbomb
> the b******s..... just as lamentable perhaps
> but seems to work  ):...

It might work but it also stuffs up mail servers for others.
"Mail bombing" is almost as internet-anti-social as the spam
itself. Not recommended IMHO as first resort since their are
ways of spoofing addresses also, hence you may end up bombing
an innocent internet user. The best and formal way is to advise
your postmaster. That way, an innocent internet user may
complain about not receiving replys and the spoofing may
ultimately be discovered from their end alone. If you actually
mailbomb the spammer, then well and good, they might stop. But
in the process, every user on that mail server may suffer. The
spammer has therefore succeeded in their inconsiderate attempt
at being a class idiot on the internet. Another way to look at
spamming is like 2-year-old-attention seeking behavior, since
there seems to be little difference. Give the spammer attention
and they love it. Ignore them by simply blocking them is 
ultimately more effective. Details about this technique are in
another Email on this subject.

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern..
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:40:18 +1000
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern..


> Les Crossan wrote:
> > 
> > ...download a mailbomb program and mailbomb
> > the b******s..... just as lamentable perhaps
> > but seems to work  ):...
> 
> It might work but it also stuffs up mail servers for others.
> "Mail bombing" is almost as internet-anti-social as the spam
> itself. Not recommended IMHO as first resort since their are
> ways of spoofing addresses also, hence you may end up bombing
> an innocent internet user. The best and formal way is to advise
> your postmaster. That way, an innocent internet user may
> complain about not receiving replys and the spoofing may
> ultimately be discovered from their end alone. If you actually
> mailbomb the spammer, then well and good, they might stop. But
> in the process, every user on that mail server may suffer. The
> spammer has therefore succeeded in their inconsiderate attempt
> at being a class idiot on the internet. Another way to look at
> spamming is like 2-year-old-attention seeking behavior, since
> there seems to be little difference. Give the spammer attention
> and they love it. Ignore them by simply blocking them is 
> ultimately more effective. Details about this technique are in
> another Email on this subject.


But you wouldn't send a mail bomb would you Michael?????? hehehe
See Ya's
John

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From: "Adam Mayo" [oyam at bigpond.com]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx:  Big Frost
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:48:01 +1000
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Hi Everyone,

Us coast dwellers enjoyed seeing your big frost yesterday morning.  We passed through Blackheath about 8 am on our way to Clandulla.  The frost was even better in the Hartley Valley.

We now know for sure that the ice markers on the bends at the Lithgow end of the Hartley Valley don't work.  Lucky for us that we were not 30 seconds earlier, because some unlucky person flipped his brand new Commodore on the thick ice on the road there.

If any of you mountain dwellers see an article in the local paper could you please save it for us and let us know.

On the way home at 5pm the big, "ice on road", signs on the approaches to the bends were open but of course there was no ice on the road then.  We couldn't remember seeing them open in the morning.

Judy Mayo
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:04:10 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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[snip]

John Graham wrote:
> 
>
> But you wouldn't send a mail bomb would you Michael?????? hehehe
> See Ya's

---mail bomb---
#!/bin/sh
# Sample mail bomb script
while true
do
	(mail   )
	sleep 5
done
---end mail bomb---

Now -that's- a bomb!, provided you know how to drive "mail"
on a UNIX box.

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern..
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> 
> [snip]
> 
> John Graham wrote:
> > 
> >
> > But you wouldn't send a mail bomb would you Michael?????? hehehe
> > See Ya's
> 
Someone I know here threatened to send a spammer an 800 MB global
circulation model output - strangely we never heard from that
spammer again...

Spamming meteorologists (especially research meteorologists) can
be a dangerous game - we've got plenty of very large data files to
retaliate with if necessary...


Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:30:53 +1000
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From: Matt Smith[disarm at braenet.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: bit of humour...
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I see even the BoM is getting bored with the lack of weather around the place.
At least it makes for an interesting read :)

GREATER SYDNEY WEATHER SERVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 11:48am on Tuesday the 3rd of August 1999
TEXT REVISED HOURLY BETWEEN 6AM AND 7PM

WARNINGS:
Nil.

WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW:
Fine and sunny conditions all round. Pleasant afternoon, albeit slightly
cooler
than for comfort for most people. Light westerly breezes. 

CURRENT WEATHER DETAILS:
City          Fine
Mascot        Fine
Richmond      Fine
Bankstown     Fine

WEATHER FOR NEXT FEW HOURS:
Continuing fine and sunny. The only change in the weather is expected to be
the
onset of seabreeze on the coast. Taking into account that today's situation is
very similar to that of yesterday's the onset time is expected to be between 1
and 2 p.m. Forecast for the remainder of today and Wednesday 
Chance of a shower near the coast Wednesday night, otherwise fine. Mostly
sunny
days. Cold night and morning with frost and local fog inland. Cool afternoon. 
Light southwest to southeast winds.
Forecast Temperatures for Wednesday:
Sydney       Min:  06   Max:  16 
Liverpool    Min:  03   Max:  16 
Richmond     Min:  00   Max:  16 

OUTLOOK FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS
Thursday   Shower or two. S/SE winds 
              City: Min: 09   Max: 16
Friday     Shower or two. S/SE winds. 
              City: Min: 09   Max: 16 
Saturday   Shower or two. S/SE winds.
              City: Min: 09   Max: 16 

Trend for  Sunday    Monday    and  Tuesday  :
Shower or two, clearing Sun, then fine. Milder SE to NE winds. 

*sigh* hows that for a forecast

ALSO Storms are forming in west QLD at the moment (starting to look nice on
the GMSD sat pic, and there was 1 lone strike on the lightning tracker out
to see off brizzy)

Matt Smith
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:10:28 +0930
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From: Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx:  Big Frost
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+1.7degrees in Adelaide this morning.  2nd frost in a row.  3rd coldest
August day on record I believe.

Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley


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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx:  Big Frost
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> 
> +1.7degrees in Adelaide this morning.  2nd frost in a row.  3rd coldest
> August day on record I believe.
> 
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
> paisley at cobweb.com.au
> www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley
Equal 4th actually. Others were 1.6 on 10/8/1994, 1.4 on 6/8/1944 and
0.9 on 7/8/1888 (the last two were at the old site, which is slightly 
warmer than the current one).

Blair Trewin
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern..
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:30:24 +1000
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern..


> [snip]
> 
> John Graham wrote:
> > 
> >
> > But you wouldn't send a mail bomb would you Michael?????? hehehe
> > See Ya's
> 
> ---mail bomb---
> #!/bin/sh
> # Sample mail bomb script
> while true
> do
> (mail   )
> sleep 5
> done
> ---end mail bomb---
> 
> Now -that's- a bomb!, provided you know how to drive "mail"
> on a UNIX box.
> 

Gees, are you avaliable for weekends, parties etc.??????hehehe :-)
John


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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A matter of concern..


> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > John Graham wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> > > But you wouldn't send a mail bomb would you Michael?????? hehehe
> > > See Ya's
> > 
> Someone I know here threatened to send a spammer an 800 MB global
> circulation model output - strangely we never heard from that
> spammer again...
> 
> Spamming meteorologists (especially research meteorologists) can
> be a dangerous game - we've got plenty of very large data files to
> retaliate with if necessary...
> 
> 
> Blair Trewin

Hmmmm, imagine what you could do woth all those files................
John

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:56:15 +1000
From: Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com]
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Hi all,

Some lovely Cu bordering on Cb around the Brisbane-Gold Coast area
today. Lovely rain free bases to boot.  :-)  Managed to get a few snaps,
so will try to upload them later tonoght when I get a chance.

Cheers,
Rosco


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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: SE QLD Storms + 
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:09:23 +1000
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Yo Ben,

Fungus in the lens is bad news - makes all the photos fuzzy and lack 
contrast or have blooms on them.  I had this prob with my old Pentax 
ME/Vivitar 80~200mm.  You can get the lens cleaned but it costs almost as 
much as a new lens, plus is only a temporary fix as the fungus comes back 
rather rapidly appartently.  So I ditched mine & bought a new one.

John.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Ben Quinn [SMTP:bodie at flatrate.net.au]
Sent:	Monday, 2 August 1999 20:41
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Subject:	aus-wx: SE QLD Storms +

Hey Ben from Brisbane here..

Interesting couple of days in Brisbane.. Sunday saw a crisp backshearing
anvil in a backbuilding (backbuilding on radar) storm 200-250km's NE of
Brisbane.. as well as some great Cb off the coast on and off throughout
the day.. and the tracker getting up to 30 strikes at one stage.. sounds
pretty sad compared to the 500-600 strikes every 5 mins we get in
summer.. but hey it's winter..

Some more nice Tcu and Congestus around today at times as well.. with
some quite nice Cb complex's offshore once again.. and some lightning to
boot earlier this evening (the flashes were quite bright from the top of
Clear Mountain - NW of Brisbane)..

On another subject.. i am looking at buying a second hand camera (as the
one i have has a sticky shutter - anyone handy with camera's?).. and
while the body of the camera appears to be good, the 75-210mm zoom
apparently has mold on the lens or something.. i take it this is bad? is
it fixable/worth fixing?

The price of the camera is $195, and it comes with the zoom lens and
also a 50mm lens.. the model is a Minolta XG-A .. as i know absolutely
nothing about cameras or lenses any help that ppl can give me on this
would be much appreciated..

Nobody has a good SLR that they want to sell for a decent price do they?


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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:24:21 +1000
From: Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com]
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Just heard on the radio that small hail was reported at Archerfield airport
and surrounds. The cell is quite impressive for a winter storm, but not very
high. Small wisps of an anvil are very fibrous, but the base is nice and
contrasty.

Cheers,
Rosco.

Ross Portas wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Some lovely Cu bordering on Cb around the Brisbane-Gold Coast area
> today. Lovely rain free bases to boot.  :-)  Managed to get a few snaps,
> so will try to upload them later tonoght when I get a chance.
>
> Cheers,
> Rosco
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Subject: aus-wx: storms near Grafton
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Large bank of Cbs to my SW and W at present (4.30pm), and radar is
indicating movement towards the NE. Hope it makes it here, though tops are
not that high.

Scattered small to moderate cumulus elsewhere, after earlier large cu and
offshore Cbs cleared. Light SE winds.

Hail reported at Inverell in the 3pm obs.

Michael

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Watch out Ross!!!
You'll soon attract the attention of Scollay's "PC clock police".

:)   Mark

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>From: Ross Portas 
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane Wx
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 4:24 AM
>

> Just heard on the radio that small hail was reported at Archerfield airport
> and surrounds. The cell is quite impressive for a winter storm, but not very
> high. Small wisps of an anvil are very fibrous, but the base is nice and
> contrasty.
>
> Cheers,
> Rosco.
>
> Ross Portas wrote:
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:20:15 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Mark Hardy wrote on Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:44:53 +1000:
> 
> Watch out Ross!!!
> You'll soon attract the attention of Scollay's "PC clock police".
> 
> :)   Mark
> 
> ----------
> >From: Ross Portas 
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane Wx
> >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 4:24 AM
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ross Portas wrote that on Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:56:15 +1000 ????
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

That only affects Email that I want to keep:-)
...in the right order:-)

[snip]

P.S. Love that address of Ross's!

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw:      old tales predicting weather
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Hi

I think I have heard of this one.

This is an interesting observation but one which seems to be an observation 
where someone wishes it happens as well as it does happens. In other words, 
I believe that, like the moon links to the weather, that the times it does 
not happen, it is ignored but when it does, "Hey there it goes again".

Possibilities: depending on the reaction time of the spring flow, if rain 
falls in other areas such as the mtns first then this may enhance the flow 
and then within few days or a week, rain may occur in the area as a result 
of more widespread activity.

I also wonder if the flow is just beneath the surface perhaps due to a 
crust forming from the extreme dry and then with the onset of humid weather 
and perhaps other influences, then it may begin to flow again. I proper 
study needs to be undertaken over several years to see how accurate this 
sort of observation really is.

I must say, that I have studied the moon type of observations related to 
weather lore from farmers. When you say something doesn't work, they come 
up with another observation so you end up at stage 1. I suppose, everyone 
tries in their own way to explain and predict this complex thing called 
weather.

Jimmy Deguara


At 21:08 2/08/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I received the following email from another list and thought one of you smart
>and knowledgeable folk might be familiar with such an unusual phenomenon, or
>should I say belief.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marty.
>Brisbane, Australia
>martyp at dynamite.com.au
>Images of Canberra: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp
>Lightning Photos: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
>ICQ: 11790565
>
> >Hi
> >Since moving to the country some 15 years ago, and developing close bonds
> >with various people involved in farming, I have often marvelled at the
> >many and oft repeated ways in which these people try to predict the
> >weather, especially rain.
> >The one way which intrigues me, is one where underground springs start to
> >run, and rain follows about a week later, the amount of run of the spring
> >indicates the amount of the rain. Many local farmers have such a spring,
> >which has worked for generations (according to them)
> >I live on the top of the ranges north of Bega, the ground around here is
> >decomposed granite and therefore extremely porous. In one corner of the
> >property, on a high spot, there is a permanent damp spot, even through
> >extended drought. At times this spot becomes waterlogged, with clear
> >water, and run-off, and sure enough this is usually followed within 2
> >weeks by significant rain. The rain is often not predicted by the weather
> >bureau, and the times of flow do not co-incide with changes in
> >atmospheric pressurem either up or down.
> >Is there some sort of sub terranean pressure system, forcing the water
> >upwards, and if so can this in any way be linked to rain?
> >regards
> >Peter
> >
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:42:50 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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It's a bit more impressive today..there seems to be a traffic jam!
There's now quite a deep fetch of southern air going all the way to
Latitude 70 degrees.
I also forgot to mention that a sharp (but now weakening) upper trough
appears to have been the driving force combined with a strong
subtropical jet stream.
The interesting thing is, do these systems normally sustain themselves
across several thousand miles and if so can Australia (at least WA)
expect a blast in about a week or 10 days? And does South America
sometimes get our severe weather?

Blair Trewin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Seems like South Africa is copping our winter. Have a look at the
> > following brief summary, and
> >
> > http://cirrus.sawb.gov.za/ (then go to sea level pressure analysis)
> >
> > to see why..
> >
> > THE REGIONAL WEATHER FORECAST FOR TODAY:-1999-08-02.
> > ISSUED AT 06:00 BY THE SOUTH AFRICAN WEATHER BUREAU.
> > THIS FORECAST WILL BE UPDATED AT 12:00.
> >
> >
> > WARNINGS:
> > --------
> > 1. BITTERLY COLD, WET AND WINDY CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED OVER THE HIGH
> > GROUND
> > OF THE SOUTH-WESTERN CAPE INTERIOR AND THE ESCARPMENT OF NAMAQUALAND.
> > 2. SNOWFALLS ARE EXPECTED IN THE MOUNTAINS OF THE BOLAND AND
> > SOUTH-WESTERN
> > CAPE INTERIOR.
> > 3. GALE-FORCE WESTERLY WINDS ARE EXPECTED ALONG COAST BETWEEN CAPE POINT
> > AND CAPE AULHAS,  SPREADING SLOWLY EASTWARDS THIS AFTERNOON AND REACHING
> > PORT ELIZABETH BY EVENING.  THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY VERY ROUGH SEA
> > CONDITIONS WITH A TOTAL SEA AND SWELL REACHING 5 TO 7 METRES.
> > 4. HOT, DRY AND WINDY CONDITIONS CONDUCIVE TO THE SPREAD OF VELDFIRES
> > ARE
> > EXPECTED OVER KWAZULU-NATAL AND SWAZILAND SPREADING TO THE LOWVELD AND
> > AND ADJACENT ESCARPMENT AREAS LATER.
> 
> Looks quite impressive - although I've certainly seen more spectacular
> cold outbreaks in South Africa. This winter actually seems to have
> been pretty mild, in Johannesburg at least - I haven't seen a below-
> zero minimum from there yet (their July mean minimum is about 4).
> 
> Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:50:39 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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I just want to thank all those who responded to my message re the
pornographic email. For all the wrong reasons,it was good to see my
experience was not isolated. My message really was a cry for support and
I was glad to read the various responses.
I'm not some morals crusader but I agree with Les that pornography
should be eliminated everywhere.
Also I think we owe Michael S a vote of thanks for his advice on how
best to deal with this menace.
Thanks again..
Keith B.
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:29:07 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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According to tonight's TV news there were showers offshore from Sydney
all day (appears radar confirms that at present) but given the size of
the clouds I'm surprised lightning wasn't present..has anyone seen any
(I couldn't notice anything about 6.15 this morning on my way to work
and coming home there was too much reflected sunlight and from home the
clouds are too far away)?

Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> Riding the push bike past Warilla beach this afternoon I was surprised to
> see some impressive Cb off to the SE at an estimated 200-300km. What was
> really interesting was that they actually faded off towards the NE, I
> thought that the opposite would be the case.
> 
> Anyway they are not for us and with clear skies there may be frost in the
> Albion Park area tomorrow morning.
> 
> Michael Thompson
> http://thunder.simplenet.com
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Subject: aus-wx: Video Night Friday 13th!!
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:20:35 EST
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Hey everyone!
Hmm Video Night Friday 13th!!
Sounds like a good name for a sequel
(mental note -call lawyers)

Firstly I would like to congratulate all those who were elected to their 
positions on Saturday night.


On Friday 13th of August I will be having a video for all those who want to 
come. Just email me for directions at.

weatherhead at ozemail.com.au

Bring all of your videos that you would like to watch. We can eat some fine 
local pizzas, and discuss the numerous weather events that we haven't 
witnessed over the last month.



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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:49:19 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..

Just going over the models quickly this morning and i think we could see
some storms over inland SE QLD thisafternoon.. there is a weak trough
stretching from near NW QLD through the central interior to the SE
inland.. and with -1 LI's and some niceish VV's on the border ranges the
setup is there for some weak storms..

EC has a weak trough lingering roughly in it's current position for the
next few days (or drifting west slightly maybe), and BOM is going for
showers and local thunder over the Darling Downs right up until
thursday.. some models are actually looking quite interesting for inland
QLD over the next few days.. hopefully some weather will make it to the
coast..
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Where our winter's gone..or where it might be coming from?
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> 
> Seems like South Africa is copping our winter. Have a look at the
> following brief summary, and
> 
> http://cirrus.sawb.gov.za/ (then go to sea level pressure analysis)
> 
> to see why..
> 
> THE REGIONAL WEATHER FORECAST FOR TODAY:-1999-08-02.
> ISSUED AT 06:00 BY THE SOUTH AFRICAN WEATHER BUREAU.
> THIS FORECAST WILL BE UPDATED AT 12:00.
> 
> 
> WARNINGS:
> --------
> 1. BITTERLY COLD, WET AND WINDY CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED OVER THE HIGH
> GROUND
> OF THE SOUTH-WESTERN CAPE INTERIOR AND THE ESCARPMENT OF NAMAQUALAND.
> 2. SNOWFALLS ARE EXPECTED IN THE MOUNTAINS OF THE BOLAND AND
> SOUTH-WESTERN
> CAPE INTERIOR.
> 3. GALE-FORCE WESTERLY WINDS ARE EXPECTED ALONG COAST BETWEEN CAPE POINT
> AND CAPE AULHAS,  SPREADING SLOWLY EASTWARDS THIS AFTERNOON AND REACHING
> PORT ELIZABETH BY EVENING.  THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY VERY ROUGH SEA
> CONDITIONS WITH A TOTAL SEA AND SWELL REACHING 5 TO 7 METRES.
> 4. HOT, DRY AND WINDY CONDITIONS CONDUCIVE TO THE SPREAD OF VELDFIRES
> ARE
> EXPECTED OVER KWAZULU-NATAL AND SWAZILAND SPREADING TO THE LOWVELD AND
> AND ADJACENT ESCARPMENT AREAS LATER.

Looks quite impressive - although I've certainly seen more spectacular
cold outbreaks in South Africa. This winter actually seems to have
been pretty mild, in Johannesburg at least - I haven't seen a below-
zero minimum from there yet (their July mean minimum is about 4).

Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:00:50 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey John, everyone..

I just found out that both my 200mm no zooming lens, and my 75-210mm
zoom lens both have fungus on the lens.. so it looks like i'll be
heading into storm season without a zoom.. which is frustrating
considering the main reason i brought an SLR is for the zoom..

But i did get a chance today to test out the camera i just purchased..
ending up chasing from around 10am this morning to about 4pm.. but the
only storm i encountered was late in the afternoon around 2:30-3pm.. it
was nice (ended up taking about 15 pics over an hour) but not strong..
and i was surprised to hear reports of hail from this storm.. mind you i
think it was only soft mushy stuff..

I also have some pictures scanned (Thanks to Rosco) and up on the web..
i have placed them at this URL:

http://www.flatrate.net.au/~bodie/newpics/index.htm

There is also a picture of myself in there..




Yo Ben,

Fungus in the lens is bad news - makes all the photos fuzzy and lack 
contrast or have blooms on them.  I had this prob with my old Pentax 
ME/Vivitar 80~200mm.  You can get the lens cleaned but it costs almost
as 
much as a new lens, plus is only a temporary fix as the fungus comes
back 
rather rapidly appartently.  So I ditched mine & bought a new one.

John.

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Subject:        aus-wx: SE QLD Storms +

Hey Ben from Brisbane here..

Interesting couple of days in Brisbane.. Sunday saw a crisp backshearing
anvil in a backbuilding (backbuilding on radar) storm 200-250km's NE of
Brisbane.. as well as some great Cb off the coast on and off throughout
the day.. and the tracker getting up to 30 strikes at one stage.. sounds
pretty sad compared to the 500-600 strikes every 5 mins we get in
summer.. but hey it's winter..

Some more nice Tcu and Congestus around today at times as well.. with
some quite nice Cb complex's offshore once again.. and some lightning to
boot earlier this evening (the flashes were quite bright from the top of
Clear Mountain - NW of Brisbane)..

On another subject.. i am looking at buying a second hand camera (as the
one i have has a sticky shutter - anyone handy with camera's?).. and
while the body of the camera appears to be good, the 75-210mm zoom
apparently has mold on the lens or something.. i take it this is bad? is
it fixable/worth fixing?

The price of the camera is $195, and it comes with the zoom lens and
also a 50mm lens.. the model is a Minolta XG-A .. as i know absolutely
nothing about cameras or lenses any help that ppl can give me on this
would be much appreciated..

Nobody has a good SLR that they want to sell for a decent price do they?

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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: A very benign situation
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:52:54 +1000
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With the high over Bass Strait gunning for 1040 the whole Australia is
basically under the influence of a single pressure system, must be getting
close to a strong wind warning on the QLD coast with those SE winds I would
think.

Frost galore for inland SE Australia again.

Michael


> Just noticed that there are no warnings current anywhere in
> Australia - the only warning on the Bureau site is a ocean gale
> warning for waters well south-west of Western Australia.
>
> Blair Trewin
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From: "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: fogbow / NE NSW obs
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:37:31 +1000
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I saw a fogbow from an airplane once, and actually got a photo of it, but damned
if I can find the thing. When/if I do I'll post it to the net.

I didn't quite see the full circle, but it was quite bright and very close...
like just outside the window. I felt like I could reach out and touch it. Had
there been no danger and it was technically feasible I probably could have, as
the fog/cloud pretty much came right up to the window.

Marty.

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Date: Monday, 26 July 1999 8:38
Subject: aus-wx: fogbow / NE NSW obs


>Hi all,
>
>There was some discussion about unusual rainbows a while back - have a look
>at the fogbow on this page:
>http://gordonr.simplenet.com/9498/jun_jul99.htm
>to this image:
>http://gordonr.simplenet.com/9498/10_fogbowb.jpg
>
>Has anyone observed these?
>
>
>Observations from Wollongbar 8.30am: partly cloudy with strong S winds,
>gusting to about 40 knots. Scattered cumulus. 22mm overnight after 48mm to
>9am yesterday. Only reached a max of 13.2 on Saturday, so similar to the SE
>QLD cold.
>
>cheers, Michael
>
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