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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Tuesday, 17 August 1999

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001 Matt Smith[disarm at braenet.com.au]              Photos of Saturdays storms.
002 "Patrick Tobin" [pdtobin at hotmail.com]          Chinese temps
003 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]             Descriptions of hail...
004 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]             Photos of Saturdays storms.
005 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Chinese temps
006 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]        Rough Perth Weather
007 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]             (no subject)
008 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     Perth warm overnight for August
009 steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au]               perth this morning
010 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Photos of Saturdays storms.
011 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Photos of Saturdays storms.
012 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Chinese temps
013 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Chinese temps
014 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]                 Photos of Saturdays storms.
015 "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]               Photos of Saturdays storms.

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Hi Everyone.

I have scanned some of the better photos and put them on my web page of the
small storms in Sydney on Saturday the 14th of August.

http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm click on "1999", then "August 14" for the
photos and a small report.

Most of the photos were either overexposed or underexposed, (a close
towering cumulus at midday turned out black/grey in the photo:(, I have no
idea why, it could either be the film,the camera,me,or the developer. I had
it on manual focus with auto for all other settings. My camera is a Pentax
MZ-50, and if anyone can help id appreciate it.
Enjoy
Matt Smith
ASWA Committee Member

PS-> Michael Thompson , I emailed that TV station in SLC yesterday about
getting a copy of the video, im waiting for a reply.
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An interesting piece on Radio National yesterday morning.. the Chinese 
Weather Bureau has now adopted a policy of "truth in reporting" and they 
will now pass on to the public accurate data on temperature readings.

Because of a lack of air-conditioning, Chinese industry generally has a 
policy of allowing workers to go home if the temperature exceeds 40C.

The local bureau is always under a lot of pressure to keep the wheels of 
industry running and to "ensure" that the temperature doesn't get much above 
  32.

Apparently this summer in Beijing has been so hot that the charade was not 
able to be continued - hence the change in policy.

I am not sure whether the recorded temps are massaged only for internal 
consumption. If not then
a Chinese change of policy would be a major contributor to observed global 
warming (as opposed to being a - possible - mere victim).

I wonder what they have done in winter?? Perhaps a new ice-age could be on 
the way.

I am sure that Blair would find the challenges of ensuring high integrity 
data in places like China would make anything in Australia seem pretty 
straightforward in  comparison.

Patrick

PS Excellent snow at Perisher Valley at the weekend - patches of snow on the 
ground from around 1100m. Depths increased rapidly upwards of 1200m.

Hopefully any inland depressions that form over the weekend will drag in 
cold air from the SSE over SE Aust and not too much warm, moist air from the 
NE.


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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Descriptions of hail...
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:29:39 +1000
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umm bonking?

>snip
Good thought :-)

Um, belting, pelting, pounding, smashing, crashing, bashing, thrashing,

ripping, tearing, thumping, banging, "diveting down" - Thinking of
impact words here etc.

And maybe things like, The hail here is: cranking, trenching, carving,
and...shredding!

:-)

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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Photos of Saturdays storms.
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:55:08 +1000
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Hi Matt,

I must be dumb or something, darned if I could find a 1999 which I could click on.

John.

>snip
Hi Everyone.

I have scanned some of the better photos and put them on my web page of the
small storms in Sydney on Saturday the 14th of August.

http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm click on "1999", then "August 14" for the
photos and a small report.

Most of the photos were either overexposed or underexposed, (a close
towering cumulus at midday turned out black/grey in the photo:(, I have no
idea why, it could either be the film,the camera,me,or the developer. I had
it on manual focus with auto for all other settings. My camera is a Pentax
MZ-50, and if anyone can help id appreciate it.
Enjoy
Matt Smith
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chinese temps
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> 
> An interesting piece on Radio National yesterday morning.. the Chinese 
> Weather Bureau has now adopted a policy of "truth in reporting" and they 
> will now pass on to the public accurate data on temperature readings.
> 
> Because of a lack of air-conditioning, Chinese industry generally has a 
> policy of allowing workers to go home if the temperature exceeds 40C.
> 
> The local bureau is always under a lot of pressure to keep the wheels of 
> industry running and to "ensure" that the temperature doesn't get much above 
>   32.
> 
> Apparently this summer in Beijing has been so hot that the charade was not 
> able to be continued - hence the change in policy.
> 
> I am not sure whether the recorded temps are massaged only for internal 
> consumption. If not then
> a Chinese change of policy would be a major contributor to observed global 
> warming (as opposed to being a - possible - mere victim).

I've heard of similar things happening (only this time with low winter
temperatures) in Romania during the Ceausescu era - but again don't know
whether this was merely for public consumption or found its way into
the official observations. 

Closer to home, it is widely alleged that the various north 
Queensland candidates for the wettest town in Australia have been
known to fiddle their readings from time to time.

> I wonder what they have done in winter?? Perhaps a new ice-age could be on 
> the way.

Actually, the last two winters in Beijing (especially the last one)
have been exceptionally mild.

> I am sure that Blair would find the challenges of ensuring high integrity 
> data in places like China would make anything in Australia seem pretty 
> straightforward in  comparison.

A challenge, certainly - although anything seriously wrong on a 
nationwide basis ought to show up in comparisons with neighbouring
countries (especially Mongolia, which, surprisingly, has lots of
internationally reported data).

Blair Trewin


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:51:27 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
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Hi All,

IT sure is winter here today.
A cold front passing through now is stirring things up a bit
but the one coming through later on today is really moving
along and will blows us around when it comes through.

This just through from the bom.

PRIORITY
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE WIND WARNING
Issued at 9:40 am WST on Tuesday, 17 August 1999

For the Southwest District, including Bunbury and Busselton
for late this
afternoon, and for the Lower West District including the
Perth metropolitan area
and Mandurah for this evening.

A cold front has crossed the west coast this morning and
another strong front is
expected to cross the SW Capes later this afternoon and
reach the Perth
metropolitan area this evening. Damaging wind gusts up to
120 km/h can be
expected with the passage of the second front.


Ah Winter :)

Regards
--
Michael Fewings
Strike One Lightning Photos
http://strikeone.com.au


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Blair

It has been suspected that NSW snow resorts have been guilty of the same
practice with the goal of being the lowest in the state on the evening news.

Mark
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>From: Blair Trewin 
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chinese temps
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:02 AM
>

>>
>> An interesting piece on Radio National yesterday morning.. the Chinese
>> Weather Bureau has now adopted a policy of "truth in reporting" and they
>> will now pass on to the public accurate data on temperature readings.
>>
>> Because of a lack of air-conditioning, Chinese industry generally has a
>> policy of allowing workers to go home if the temperature exceeds 40C.
>>
>> The local bureau is always under a lot of pressure to keep the wheels of
>> industry running and to "ensure" that the temperature doesn't get much above
>>   32.
>>
>> Apparently this summer in Beijing has been so hot that the charade was not
>> able to be continued - hence the change in policy.
>>
>> I am not sure whether the recorded temps are massaged only for internal
>> consumption. If not then
>> a Chinese change of policy would be a major contributor to observed global
>> warming (as opposed to being a - possible - mere victim).
>
> I've heard of similar things happening (only this time with low winter
> temperatures) in Romania during the Ceausescu era - but again don't know
> whether this was merely for public consumption or found its way into
> the official observations.
>
> Closer to home, it is widely alleged that the various north
> Queensland candidates for the wettest town in Australia have been
> known to fiddle their readings from time to time.
>
>> I wonder what they have done in winter?? Perhaps a new ice-age could be on
>> the way.
>
> Actually, the last two winters in Beijing (especially the last one)
> have been exceptionally mild.
>
>> I am sure that Blair would find the challenges of ensuring high integrity
>> data in places like China would make anything in Australia seem pretty
>> straightforward in  comparison.
>
> A challenge, certainly - although anything seriously wrong on a
> nationwide basis ought to show up in comparisons with neighbouring
> countries (especially Mongolia, which, surprisingly, has lots of
> internationally reported data).
>
> Blair Trewin
>
>
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Interesting to note Perth's overnight minimum temperatures, the city
temperature only got down to 16.1C at 6:19am this morning, the August
record for the city site, even though its not directly comparable to the
new site is 16.6C.

The Perth Airport 24 hour min temp in rounded numbers was 16C, the August
record for the Perth Airport site is 16.8C. So both records getting pretty
close.

Other warm 24 hour minimums came from Lancelin and Jurien Bay, both with 17C.

Jacob



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hey all,
i'm guessing a few ppl from perth may have missed this on radar this morning cos there was noone online that i could see anyway, so i saved the local loop, it is here

http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/images/IDR123lp.gif


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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos of Saturdays storms.
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Matt / John

I too had the same problem, there are two tiny red squares which when the
mouse was passed over told me 1998 and 1999.

Michael


> Hi Matt,
>
> I must be dumb or something, darned if I could find a 1999 which I could
click on.
>
> John.
>
> >snip
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I have scanned some of the better photos and put them on my web page of
the
> small storms in Sydney on Saturday the 14th of August.
>
> http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm click on "1999", then "August 14" for
the
> photos and a small report.
>
> Most of the photos were either overexposed or underexposed, (a close
> towering cumulus at midday turned out black/grey in the photo:(, I have no
> idea why, it could either be the film,the camera,me,or the developer. I
had
> it on manual focus with auto for all other settings. My camera is a Pentax
> MZ-50, and if anyone can help id appreciate it.
> Enjoy
> Matt Smith
> ASWA Committee Member
>
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos of Saturdays storms.
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:57:21 +1000
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Pretty spectacular pics regardless, the hail shafts are quite evident in
your Sydney shots,  the clouds were down here in the Illawarra did not have
well developed  features.

The MZ-50 is a camera that I have considered purchasing and I hold it high
regard. I have learnt two things about cloud photos 1)  get as much of the
foreground out the picture as possible. With a pic spilt with the bottom
half  dark foreground vs light sky the light meter tends to overcompensate
for the foreground and over expose the picture in regard to clouds. Not sure
on the MZ50 metering system, if its centre weighted the answer is to simply
make sure that the viewfinder middle is your primary target. If some other
fancy metering ( as is often the case these days ) see if there is a
exposure lock and lock it on a cloud filled pic. 2) number two is a possible
cause or often adds to number one, and that is mini lab processing is crap.
They cannot handle very well pics with light  / dark extremes. Somebody
correct me if I am talking rubbish, but I think the mini lab scan your whole
roll of film first, then apply an average exposure, this is a great recipe
for stuffing your nightime lightning pics, especially if you have sunny
scenic days at the beach pics on the same roll.

Regards
Michael

> I have scanned some of the better photos and put them on my web page of
the
> small storms in Sydney on Saturday the 14th of August.
>
> http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm click on "1999", then "August 14" for
the
> photos and a small report.
>
> Most of the photos were either overexposed or underexposed, (a close
> towering cumulus at midday turned out black/grey in the photo:(, I have no
> idea why, it could either be the film,the camera,me,or the developer. I
had
> it on manual focus with auto for all other settings. My camera is a Pentax
> MZ-50, and if anyone can help id appreciate it.
> Enjoy
> Matt Smith
> ASWA Committee Member
>
> PS-> Michael Thompson , I emailed that TV station in SLC yesterday about
> getting a copy of the video, im waiting for a reply.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chinese temps
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:01:30 +1000
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...and if you watch channel 9 Perisher Blue always seems to be rated good -
excellent, even earlier this season when it was a joke.

Michael
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> Blair
>
> It has been suspected that NSW snow resorts have been guilty of the same
> practice with the goal of being the lowest in the state on the evening
news.
>
> Mark
> --
> _____________________________________________________
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> The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
> Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060
> Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536.
> Mobile 0414 642 739
> email: mhardy at theweather.com.au
> _____________________________________________________
>
>
> ----------
> >From: Blair Trewin 
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chinese temps
> >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:02 AM
> >
>
> >>
> >> An interesting piece on Radio National yesterday morning.. the Chinese
> >> Weather Bureau has now adopted a policy of "truth in reporting" and
they
> >> will now pass on to the public accurate data on temperature readings.
> >>
> >> Because of a lack of air-conditioning, Chinese industry generally has a
> >> policy of allowing workers to go home if the temperature exceeds 40C.
> >>
> >> The local bureau is always under a lot of pressure to keep the wheels
of
> >> industry running and to "ensure" that the temperature doesn't get much
above
> >>   32.
> >>
> >> Apparently this summer in Beijing has been so hot that the charade was
not
> >> able to be continued - hence the change in policy.
> >>
> >> I am not sure whether the recorded temps are massaged only for internal
> >> consumption. If not then
> >> a Chinese change of policy would be a major contributor to observed
global
> >> warming (as opposed to being a - possible - mere victim).
> >
> > I've heard of similar things happening (only this time with low winter
> > temperatures) in Romania during the Ceausescu era - but again don't know
> > whether this was merely for public consumption or found its way into
> > the official observations.
> >
> > Closer to home, it is widely alleged that the various north
> > Queensland candidates for the wettest town in Australia have been
> > known to fiddle their readings from time to time.
> >
> >> I wonder what they have done in winter?? Perhaps a new ice-age could be
on
> >> the way.
> >
> > Actually, the last two winters in Beijing (especially the last one)
> > have been exceptionally mild.
> >
> >> I am sure that Blair would find the challenges of ensuring high
integrity
> >> data in places like China would make anything in Australia seem pretty
> >> straightforward in  comparison.
> >
> > A challenge, certainly - although anything seriously wrong on a
> > nationwide basis ought to show up in comparisons with neighbouring
> > countries (especially Mongolia, which, surprisingly, has lots of
> > internationally reported data).
> >
> > Blair Trewin
> >
> >
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Chinese temps
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> 
> ...and if you watch channel 9 Perisher Blue always seems to be rated good -
> excellent, even earlier this season when it was a joke.
> 
> Michael

I seem to recall 'Media Watch' had something to say about this a
few weeks back.

(For those who are unaware, both Perisher Blue and Channel 9 are
owned by Kerry Packer)

Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:09:20 +0800
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From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos of Saturdays storms.
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 I agree with Michael totally, after many getting many films back with
dissapointing exposures i spoke to a lab technician who said exactley what
Michael T said, they do an average exposure. So I started taking my films
to special lab (Gerry Gibbs Camera House) that expose each neg on its own.
The only downside is a few more bucks and you have to wait longer for em. I
dont do it all the time but i do when it counts and you will notice the
difference. My only other tip is, (some will disagree) but buy Fuji film,
ive done my own tests and in my opinion it stands up way better than other
brands. If you take care of all the little pieces your will find an overall
improvement for sure.

				Ira Fehlberg

PS: BTW the pics look great anyway!!!!

At 17:57 17/08/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Pretty spectacular pics regardless, the hail shafts are quite evident in
>your Sydney shots,  the clouds were down here in the Illawarra did not have
>well developed  features.
>
>The MZ-50 is a camera that I have considered purchasing and I hold it high
>regard. I have learnt two things about cloud photos 1)  get as much of the
>foreground out the picture as possible. With a pic spilt with the bottom
>half  dark foreground vs light sky the light meter tends to overcompensate
>for the foreground and over expose the picture in regard to clouds. Not sure
>on the MZ50 metering system, if its centre weighted the answer is to simply
>make sure that the viewfinder middle is your primary target. If some other
>fancy metering ( as is often the case these days ) see if there is a
>exposure lock and lock it on a cloud filled pic. 2) number two is a possible
>cause or often adds to number one, and that is mini lab processing is crap.
>They cannot handle very well pics with light  / dark extremes. Somebody
>correct me if I am talking rubbish, but I think the mini lab scan your whole
>roll of film first, then apply an average exposure, this is a great recipe
>for stuffing your nightime lightning pics, especially if you have sunny
>scenic days at the beach pics on the same roll.
>
>Regards
>Michael


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From: "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos of Saturdays storms.
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:32:37 +1000
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Hi all,

Whenever I take a roll of film, which I know to contain some night/lightning
shots (or extremes of exposure between frames), into a one-hour mini-lab, I
simply tell them this at the start, and they're happy to take extra care and
develop each shot seperately without charging extra, just to keep my business.

I am a regular customer, so I guess my business is particularly valuable, but as
far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter where I get my photos developed how
quickly the job is done, I expect each frame to be developed correctly. The fact
that they can 'average' the exposure on most people's films is not an excuse to
supply me with an inferior product. Every store I've requested extra care from
have done so happily.

So, Ira, I see no need for you to take your films to a more expensive lab,
unless you want some serious quality work.

Cheers!

Marty.
Brisbane, Australia
martyp at dynamite.com.au
Images of Canberra: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp
Lightning Photos: http://www2.dynamite.com.au/martyp/lightning
ICQ: 11790565

-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Date: Tuesday, 17 August 1999 19:45
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos of Saturdays storms.


> I agree with Michael totally, after many getting many films back with
>dissapointing exposures i spoke to a lab technician who said exactley what
>Michael T said, they do an average exposure. So I started taking my films
>to special lab (Gerry Gibbs Camera House) that expose each neg on its own.
>The only downside is a few more bucks and you have to wait longer for em. I
>dont do it all the time but i do when it counts and you will notice the
>difference. My only other tip is, (some will disagree) but buy Fuji film,
>ive done my own tests and in my opinion it stands up way better than other
>brands. If you take care of all the little pieces your will find an overall
>improvement for sure.
>
> Ira Fehlberg
>
>PS: BTW the pics look great anyway!!!!
>
>At 17:57 17/08/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>Pretty spectacular pics regardless, the hail shafts are quite evident in
>>your Sydney shots,  the clouds were down here in the Illawarra did not have
>>well developed  features.
>>
>>The MZ-50 is a camera that I have considered purchasing and I hold it high
>>regard. I have learnt two things about cloud photos 1)  get as much of the
>>foreground out the picture as possible. With a pic spilt with the bottom
>>half  dark foreground vs light sky the light meter tends to overcompensate
>>for the foreground and over expose the picture in regard to clouds. Not sure
>>on the MZ50 metering system, if its centre weighted the answer is to simply
>>make sure that the viewfinder middle is your primary target. If some other
>>fancy metering ( as is often the case these days ) see if there is a
>>exposure lock and lock it on a cloud filled pic. 2) number two is a possible
>>cause or often adds to number one, and that is mini lab processing is crap.
>>They cannot handle very well pics with light  / dark extremes. Somebody
>>correct me if I am talking rubbish, but I think the mini lab scan your whole
>>roll of film first, then apply an average exposure, this is a great recipe
>>for stuffing your nightime lightning pics, especially if you have sunny
>>scenic days at the beach pics on the same roll.
>>
>>Regards
>>Michael
>
>
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