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001 "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au] Melbourne weather - yesterday
002 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Melbourne weather - yesterday
003 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Film speed
004 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Film speed
005 steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au] film speed
006 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Film speed
007 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] Film speed
008 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Film speed
009 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Film speed
010 "Peter Adderley" [adderley at acay.com.au] Film speed
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From: "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne weather - yesterday
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:35:32 +1000
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Morning All,
Not sure if anyone else was as interested as I was in the front/squall line
which crossed Melbourne yesterday afternoon at about 3:30pm. While in
comparison to some I've seen it was really only average but for August it
was great. Nick Sykes alerted me to the radar earlier in the afternoon on
IRC and I knew there would be some sort of line of showers to come through.
I ran some errands and watched a few light showers from congestus before
noticing the darkening horizon. Got home about 10 mins later to see scud
sitting under one of the cells (to my SW) along this line. Looked pretty
interesting so I jumped on the roof (getting soaking wet in the process)
and took a few photos. Another cell (which looked better but was half
behind a tree so no photo) was down to my SE about 25-30km away. The cell
to my SW was moving directly towards me (wooohoo) and was starting to look
pretty nice. Scud was forming and rising and swirling (not rotating) and I
took a few more photos of the base and when it got about 2km away it was
time to get off the roof. No lightning was seen/heard at all. The gust
front was now evident right along the line (of congestus) but stronger in
the areas with rain behind it. I put the camera just inside the door and
stood outside as it passed overhead. Wind gusted to about 40km/h and rain
was not heavy (probably only light blue or yellow) on radar. Even though
it wasn't a severe event it was still pretty interesting.
Did anyone else around melbourne/victoria see anything interesting?? (or
even not interesting)??
Andrew McDonald
(Macca)
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne weather - yesterday
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:26:33 +1000
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Yep, I saw it from Kew at about the same time. Strong updrafts but little
shear, *very, very* low condensation level (maybe 100m?) - unusual for
Melbourne - pleased I wasn't the only one Bayswater got 2mm from it,
Kew would have managed 1mm.
Jane
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Scud was forming and rising and swirling (not rotating) and I
>took a few more photos of the base and when it got about 2km away it was
>time to get off the roof. No lightning was seen/heard at all. The gust
>front was now evident right along the line (of congestus) but stronger in
>the areas with rain behind it. I put the camera just inside the door and
>stood outside as it passed overhead. Wind gusted to about 40km/h and rain
>was not heavy (probably only light blue or yellow) on radar. Even though
>it wasn't a severe event it was still pretty interesting.
>
>Did anyone else around melbourne/victoria see anything interesting?? (or
>even not interesting)??
>
>Andrew McDonald
>(Macca)
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Film speed
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:14:28 +1000
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>Hey Ben from Brisbane here...
>Just out of curiosity.. what speed film do others on the list use? (for
>weather photography of course) We had a small debate about film speed in
>IRC last night.. some say 400 is a good allrounder.. others say 100
>speed film is the best to use.. any thoughts?
As a general rule, the slower the film you can use the better because the
grain is finer and the colour saturation more 'realistic'.
100ASA is the best general purpose film to use (unless you have a really
fast lens which will cope with 64ASA) , and it also copes well with the
light intensity of the tropics.
If you have slower lenses (f4 - 5.6), and/or are in the habit of shooting
under dark, lowering Cb bases or just on dusk or at dawn, 200ASA works well.
400ASA tends to have an emulsion colour shift towards the red end of the
spectrum (which is fine if you like reddish tinges or green skies in the
tropics .....) as well as being rather more grainy, and doesn't enlarge
particularly well (if you want to get that picture into the BoM calendar)
...then there's the argument Kodak vs Fuji vs Agfa.............
Jane ONeill
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:54:31 +1000
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Hi Jane and all,
I've often used 400, and I've enlarged pictures, and they came out fine
(except for one of my SC pics, which in the rain shaft was slightly
grainy).
But, one thing that I guess is the most difficult, is that you're always
everchanging light intensities. For example, initially you may be in a
fairly bright environment, but when you have a 50,000 foot Cb over you,
there's very little light at all! Does 100 ASA cope with this? I would
have thought it wouldn't have...or, would it be better opening the
shutter for just a tad longer?
Certainly, I'd like to get 100ASA, because it's a lot cheaper, but my
main conern is that it will not do well in a darker environment...
Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Anthony Cornelius
Jane ONeill wrote:
>
> >Hey Ben from Brisbane here...
>
> >Just out of curiosity.. what speed film do others on the list use? (for
> >weather photography of course) We had a small debate about film speed in
> >IRC last night.. some say 400 is a good allrounder.. others say 100
> >speed film is the best to use.. any thoughts?
>
> As a general rule, the slower the film you can use the better because the
> grain is finer and the colour saturation more 'realistic'.
>
> 100ASA is the best general purpose film to use (unless you have a really
> fast lens which will cope with 64ASA) , and it also copes well with the
> light intensity of the tropics.
>
> If you have slower lenses (f4 - 5.6), and/or are in the habit of shooting
> under dark, lowering Cb bases or just on dusk or at dawn, 200ASA works well.
>
> 400ASA tends to have an emulsion colour shift towards the red end of the
> spectrum (which is fine if you like reddish tinges or green skies in the
> tropics .....) as well as being rather more grainy, and doesn't enlarge
> particularly well (if you want to get that picture into the BoM calendar)
>
> ...then there's the argument Kodak vs Fuji vs Agfa.............
>
> Jane ONeill
>
> ============================================================
>
> Jane ONeill Bayswater Melbourne cadence at rubix.net.au
> http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
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HI EVERYBODY!!!
i've heard a lot of ppl say that 100asa is the best all round speed film. i've seen proof. it is better for daytime and probably lightning photography, but when it comes to me doing my astrophotography, i like to make shooting time as short as possible, which is why i always use 400. becos of the darkness of the night sky, i can be taking a still star shot by tracking the stars for up to 40 mins with 400asa. which means i would have to track it for 160 minutes with 100asa to get the same result, BUGGER THAT! my weather shots may not be quite as good, but i can't even see the difference!!:) ummm, i don't think 400 costs that much more. i have been buying 3 rolls of 400agfa for $13 from bigW for the last couple of years
ummm....thats all
steve
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:00:33 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
On January 29 of this year i chased a storm SW of Brisbane during the
late afternoon (around 4:30-5pm).. cloudtops on the storm were estimated
to be between up to 16km or higher at the time i was chasing it.. It was
so dark at one stage my point and click camera wouldn't even turn on!
Keep in mind this is January as well.. the sun doesn't set until after
6:30pm or so..
My point is.. what happens in a situation like this when you only have
100 speed film? Will the picture quality be effected? I was in a poor
spot on the storm anyway due to lack of roads.. but this was a strong
storm and if i had a mofo guster in front of me i would like to get some
good pictures of it.. I explained this to the ppl who work at the
photography place i go to.. and i was told that 400 speed film is the
best film to use for weather photography.. yet others swear by the exact
opposite of this!
The more i hear on this subject the more i like the sounds of 200 speed
film.. seems to be a happy medium..
Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> Hi Jane and all,
>
> I've often used 400, and I've enlarged pictures, and they came out fine
> (except for one of my SC pics, which in the rain shaft was slightly
> grainy).
>
> But, one thing that I guess is the most difficult, is that you're always
> everchanging light intensities. For example, initially you may be in a
> fairly bright environment, but when you have a 50,000 foot Cb over you,
> there's very little light at all! Does 100 ASA cope with this? I would
> have thought it wouldn't have...or, would it be better opening the
> shutter for just a tad longer?
>
> Certainly, I'd like to get 100ASA, because it's a lot cheaper, but my
> main conern is that it will not do well in a darker environment...
>
> Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony Cornelius
>
> Jane ONeill wrote:
> >
> > >Hey Ben from Brisbane here...
> >
> > >Just out of curiosity.. what speed film do others on the list use? (for
> > >weather photography of course) We had a small debate about film speed in
> > >IRC last night.. some say 400 is a good allrounder.. others say 100
> > >speed film is the best to use.. any thoughts?
> >
> > As a general rule, the slower the film you can use the better because the
> > grain is finer and the colour saturation more 'realistic'.
> >
> > 100ASA is the best general purpose film to use (unless you have a really
> > fast lens which will cope with 64ASA) , and it also copes well with the
> > light intensity of the tropics.
> >
> > If you have slower lenses (f4 - 5.6), and/or are in the habit of shooting
> > under dark, lowering Cb bases or just on dusk or at dawn, 200ASA works well.
> >
> > 400ASA tends to have an emulsion colour shift towards the red end of the
> > spectrum (which is fine if you like reddish tinges or green skies in the
> > tropics .....) as well as being rather more grainy, and doesn't enlarge
> > particularly well (if you want to get that picture into the BoM calendar)
> >
> > ...then there's the argument Kodak vs Fuji vs Agfa.............
> >
> > Jane ONeill
> >
> > ============================================================
> >
> > Jane ONeill Bayswater Melbourne cadence at rubix.net.au
> > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
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Hi ppls,
Okay I have kept quiet on this subject for long enough, time to put my
point of view accross.
Film speeds are like moving cars, the faster you go the quicker you get
there (well in some cases) in films the faster you go the quicker the light
is absorbed onto the film but as in a car you have drawbacks to this.
Grains on the film are one draw back, the faster the films the corser (sp?)
the film. In lower speed films the grains are more populated on the frame
so it looks clearer. So if for an example we have a dark based Cb near
sunset where the light around is minimal, the best choice of film would be
around 400asa, but what if we only have 100asa in our pockets and in the
camera??? Well the time for the light to absorb onto the film will be
longer on a 100asa film so as the clouds move (which all clouds do!!) you
can make the picture blury, which spoils the whole scene. Oh btw even the
best photographer in the world can get it wrong sometimes.
So what I am saying is be careful when going out taking shots of wx, it's
not hard to make a mistake in films but everyone remember this, there is
always next time. Oh If you really want to get the picture, use up the rest
of the film you have in the camera then change to the roll of film that
would best suit the situation.
Another way to get a shot is trying different settings through out a film,
you can usually get one great shot out of a series of 36.
Happy Piccy taking..
Andrew Wall (VK5NAJ)
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Paralowie 5108,
South Australia.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:07:34 +1000
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I use 100ASA all the time, and that is with a 35 -105mm that has a max
aperture of 2.something, rather than the 1.6 or 1.4 of fixed 50mm lens.
Michael
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Sent: Saturday, 21 August 1999 11:54
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Film speed
> Hi Jane and all,
>
> I've often used 400, and I've enlarged pictures, and they came out fine
> (except for one of my SC pics, which in the rain shaft was slightly
> grainy).
>
> But, one thing that I guess is the most difficult, is that you're always
> everchanging light intensities. For example, initially you may be in a
> fairly bright environment, but when you have a 50,000 foot Cb over you,
> there's very little light at all! Does 100 ASA cope with this? I would
> have thought it wouldn't have...or, would it be better opening the
> shutter for just a tad longer?
>
> Certainly, I'd like to get 100ASA, because it's a lot cheaper, but my
> main conern is that it will not do well in a darker environment...
>
> Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony Cornelius
>
> Jane ONeill wrote:
> >
> > >Hey Ben from Brisbane here...
> >
> > >Just out of curiosity.. what speed film do others on the list use? (for
> > >weather photography of course) We had a small debate about film speed
in
> > >IRC last night.. some say 400 is a good allrounder.. others say 100
> > >speed film is the best to use.. any thoughts?
> >
> > As a general rule, the slower the film you can use the better because
the
> > grain is finer and the colour saturation more 'realistic'.
> >
> > 100ASA is the best general purpose film to use (unless you have a really
> > fast lens which will cope with 64ASA) , and it also copes well with the
> > light intensity of the tropics.
> >
> > If you have slower lenses (f4 - 5.6), and/or are in the habit of
shooting
> > under dark, lowering Cb bases or just on dusk or at dawn, 200ASA works
well.
> >
> > 400ASA tends to have an emulsion colour shift towards the red end of the
> > spectrum (which is fine if you like reddish tinges or green skies in the
> > tropics .....) as well as being rather more grainy, and doesn't enlarge
> > particularly well (if you want to get that picture into the BoM
calendar)
> >
> > ...then there's the argument Kodak vs Fuji vs Agfa.............
> >
> > Jane ONeill
> >
> > ============================================================
> >
> > Jane ONeill Bayswater Melbourne cadence at rubix.net.au
> > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
> >
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I also use only 100ASA print film with a 35mm SLR with manual focus and
exposure controls, 1.6 50mm lens, and a 4-5.6 35mm-200mm zoom lens. I've
had no problems capturing any type of weather, in the very low light
situations I use a tripod and in the very bright situations a faster
shutter speed (even those extremely bright Cb tops in the middle of the day
can be taken at 1/1000 or less). You can fairly safely go one one or two
stops either side of the light meter readings if necessary, and still get a
good shot.
There doesn't seem to be much price difference between 100, 200 and 400
anymore, though there certainly used to be. The processing shop is the
biggest factor in the results you see, as has been discussed already.
regards, Michael
At 18:07 21/08/99 +1000, you wrote:
>I use 100ASA all the time, and that is with a 35 -105mm that has a max
>aperture of 2.something, rather than the 1.6 or 1.4 of fixed 50mm lens.
>
>
>Michael
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From: "Peter Adderley" [adderley at acay.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Film speed
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:22:38 +1000
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I'd like to put in a word for digital cameras.
I've been using a Sony Mavica MVC-FD81 for nearly a year now and I'm very
happy with the ease of use, the resolution, and the colour rendition of the
camera.
Having tried a cheap Canon digital with the clumsy cable palava I gave up on
it and went the whole hog with the Sony.
The Sony has a floppy disk to store pics, so transferral to computer is
quick and easy, and you never run out of film.
I also have a couple of other slr cameras and a another small automatic
conventional camera, but I rarely use them now as I could never get films
processed without fur-balls on the prints. Also the costs of conventional
film are very high.
Because the cost of digital film is nil, other features come into play. For
instance time lapse films are easy to do.
If the run is not satisfactory then you can simply erase the disks.
I've assembled 18 images (all at 1024x768 pixels rez) on a series of
three webpages at:
http://www.acay.com.au/~adderley/wx
You can download a zipped file of all the pictures at:
http://www.acay.com.au/~adderley/wx/wx18pix.zip
The images are very large but I haven't reduced or edited them
so as to give a true representation of the pics taken.
Cheers,
Peter Adderley
adderley at acay.com.au
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