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001 Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]        seabreeze and storms (fwd)
002 "Phil Schubert" [philip at zedley.com]            Wild Perth Weather
003 Sallie Greenwood [smg at indra.com]               morning glory clouds
004 Pjcorlett at aol.com                              morning glory clouds
005 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Sydney - potential for warm day tomorrow
006 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au]            Adelaide (was:Sydney - potential for warm day
007 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     Sydney - potential for warm day tomorrow
008 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Adelaide (was:Sydney - potential for warm day
009 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     Adelaide (was:Sydney - potential for warm day
010 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              morning glory clouds
011 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Adelaide (was:Sydney - potential for warm day
012 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          morning glory clouds
013 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]                 Two funnel clouds and one Waterspout today!!!!!
014 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Sharing information -- NPMOC satellite archive
015 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Sydney ASWA meeting - yes we have one now

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From: Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: seabreeze and storms (fwd)
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Hi Anthony, John, Michael, List,

	You see I am quite happy to keep the seabreeze/dryline discussion
going.  Why?  I have come to believe that given the synoptic-scale
ingredients for severe weather are in place,  you need to know
those surface boundaries as well as possible to get anywhere
close to the good storms before the show is over.

John wrote:
> My own observations subscribe to the theory that a dry line of sorts forms 
> on or near the inland trough.  This trough is a feature for most of the 
> summer.  In early summer (Oct-Dec) it tends to form approx 500km inland 
> parallel to the coast, but drifts towards the coast and often over the 
> coast and out to sea, only to reform inland shortly therafter.  This 
> movement coincides with passage of southern ocean anti-cyclones.  In mid 
> summer, the trough becomes much more permanently located inland - rarely 
> drifting over the coast and often drifting well west towards the QLD/NT 
> border.  East of the trough winds are humid E/NE.  In late summer, the 
> trough tends to dissipate rather than revert to springtime behaviour.

Sounds like a thermal/heat trough to me, given it is a semi-permanent 
feature.  How the trough relates to 'a' dryline, that might be an
unresolved (pun intended) issue.  I was hoping that there's someone
who has looked at spring surface data for some time which 
*might* show some of those surface boundaries (if the station 
spacing is not loo large).  Correlate that with satellite/radar
images of storms popping to see that important connection.   

John part II:
> I have noticed that really good storms require a nice strong NE sea-breeze, 
> and many storms are located at the leading edge of the seabreeze front, and 
> seem to move east with this front in late afternoon or early evening as the 
> seabreeze lessens.   A SE sea-breeze ussually has an opposite effect, being 
> a storm killer (like southerlies in Sydney).  Just a question as to the 
> CAPE for seabreeze flow I guess.  A good storm line along the ranges may 
> assist via pressure drop along the storm line convergence zone, thus 
> possibly influencing and appearing to strengthen the sea breeze into the 
> storm line.

I believe you refer to ``really good *observed* storms'' associated
with seabreeze convergence.  These types of storms are confined to
the coastal regions, though.  

Michael adds on the subject of seabreezes
> ...Illawarra where the seabreeze makes it to the escarpment by mid morning, not
> only that but the escarpment provides a perfect setup for an inversion,
> there is no vertical seabreeze front as such at all. Convection is usually
> nil.

Could this be blocking by orography?  I guess that this ``blocking'' effect
is most pronounced when the stratification is quite stable, or an
inversion is present (overrunning by warm continental air?).  

and Anthony elucidates:
> For a typical day of thunderstorms in SE QLD, you normally have a NE'ly
> flow for at least 24hrs before the potential storms developed.  This
> means that storms develop inland, in fact, they nearly always develop to
> a SSW-WSW (inclusive) direction (relative to the placement of
> Brisbane).  They then nearly always move ENE-NNE (inclusive) - there's
> always exceptions though (hence, 'nearly always.')  

The consistent NE flow builds up the dewpoints;  this migth take a few
days after a prior frontal passage dries out the boundary layer.
The $1,000,000 question is:  do storms develop well inland so that
their development has nothing to do with the seabreeze, or are almost
all storms just riding the seabreeze front? I would expect plenty
of development well inland as well come October this year. 

> They form in that
> area because of the mountain ranges there, and though while not very
> significant (ie, to my knowledge, only 2 are higher than 1000m(3000ft),
> and they are on the border ranges), do play a very significant role in
> thunderstorm formation.  If you look at maps, you'll very quickly notice
> a small 'maxmimum' in this area.  Frequently, storms will form on the
> border ranges and will not effect Brisbane.  This seems to be the case
> on:
> a) high cap days
> b) at night

Ranges of 1000m are certainly very significant for almost any 
lower tropospheric meteorological phenomenon.  There are 
discussions floating the the WWW whether ~100m hills
make storms tornadic or not.  But, orographic lifting/convergence/
vorticity generation is a separate issue (and is also
awfully complicated).  It is interesting to see that 
that the orography produces a 'small max.' in the thunderstorm
formation, though.   

	Cheers for now,  Harald





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From: "Phil Schubert" [philip at zedley.com]
To: "Ira Fehlberg" [jra at upnaway.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Wild Perth Weather
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11.22PM Rottnest has just recorded a gust at 51Kts, and looking at the radar
the front is still 50Km to the West of Rottnest. Looks like the forecast is
going to be right!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ira Fehlberg [mailto:jra at upnaway.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 September 1999 18:25
> To: Phil Schubert
> Subject:
>
>
> To Phil,
>
>  Sorry to bother you all again but after seeing the news and
> looking more at this low id like to adivse you all to take a few small
> precautions for tonight. If you can park your car under cover, do
> so, also
> it might be handy to make sure you have candles and that if the
> power goes out. I dont want to freak people out but there will be
> damage in the SW land division tonight. This is certainly the
> strongest low we've seen so far this winter. The BOM are going for gusts
> of 130kph tonight.
>
> Ira Fehlberg

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Hi, I'm trying to find out what morning glory clouds are. I've heard
they are tubular clouds that form in the vicinity of Darwin. Is that so?
Are they a type of cumulus? What or where can I find out more about
them?
Sallie Greenwood

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:18:58 EDT
Subject: Re: aus-wx: morning glory clouds
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In a message dated 9/3/99 2:11:15 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, smg at indra.com 
writes:

<< Hi, I'm trying to find out what morning glory clouds are. I've heard
 they are tubular clouds that form in the vicinity of Darwin. Is that so?
 Are they a type of cumulus? What or where can I find out more about
 them?
 Sallie Greenwood >>

Sallie,
         The morning glory clouds are roll clouds caused by large-amplitude 
waves in the atmosphere. They tend to form regularly spaced cylindrical 
clouds that can be hundreds of km's long. They are quite spectacular, 
although the winds inside them are gusty and you wouldn't want to fly a light 
plane into one.

They can be formed by sea-breeze convergence over the Cape York Peninsula at 
times where a strong inversion layer exists aloft. Where the two sea breezes 
meet, they push the inversion layer up into a long ridge without breaking 
through it. The sea breezes die at night and the inversion "ridge" collapses 
and propagates into the Gulf of Carpentaria as a series of waves. The clouds 
form in the "peaks" of these waves.

For more info try...

Christie, D.R., 1992, "The morning glory of the Gulf of Carpentaria: a 
paradigm for non-linear waves in the lower atmosphere", Australian 
Meteorological Magazine, vol. 42, pp. 21 - 60.

Cheers,

Pete.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Sydney - potential for warm day tomorrow
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With a strong NW airstream likely and the general warmth of the
airmass, Sydney would seem to be well set-up for a very warm day
tomorrow - it's a classic spring scenario for it. I wouldn't be 
surprised if it gets close to 30 (and am very surprised the official
forecast is only 23).

No records in Victoria today (23 in Melbourne; tops of 28 at a couple
of Mallee stations, plus Lakes Entrance), but still pretty warm for
this time of year.

There are severe wind warnings out in SA - any reports from there?

Blair Trewin
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>With a strong NW airstream likely and the general warmth of the
>airmass, Sydney would seem to be well set-up for a very warm day
>tomorrow - it's a classic spring scenario for it. I wouldn't be
>surprised if it gets close to 30 (and am very surprised the official
>forecast is only 23).
>
>No records in Victoria today (23 in Melbourne; tops of 28 at a couple
>of Mallee stations, plus Lakes Entrance), but still pretty warm for
>this time of year.
>
>There are severe wind warnings out in SA - any reports from there?
>
>Blair Trewin


Nasty day in Adelaide Blair.  28 at last count (which, although far from a
september record, must be close to a September 3 record!) with a strong,
gusty north westerly blowing and some raised dust to boot.  Lots of strong
wind and gale warnings out.  I've heard of one house damaged by the wind,
and one car that's been crushed under a falling tree.  It's also very dry
here so the forecast rain will be welcome. 20 or 30mm would not go astray...

Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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It's cold around the Perth metro area today.

right now at 2:40pm WST the temps are:

Perth City 8.3C
Jandakott 8.2C
Bickley 6.9C
Swanbourne 8.5C
Mandurah 9.7C
Rottnest Island 10.8C

Its still very windy, making it even colder in windchill temps.

Jacob

At 04:04  3/09/99 +1000, you wrote:
>With a strong NW airstream likely and the general warmth of the
>airmass, Sydney would seem to be well set-up for a very warm day
>tomorrow - it's a classic spring scenario for it. I wouldn't be 
>surprised if it gets close to 30 (and am very surprised the official
>forecast is only 23).
>
>No records in Victoria today (23 in Melbourne; tops of 28 at a couple
>of Mallee stations, plus Lakes Entrance), but still pretty warm for
>this time of year.
>
>There are severe wind warnings out in SA - any reports from there?
>
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide (was:Sydney - potential for warm day
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> Nasty day in Adelaide Blair.  28 at last count (which, although far from a
> september record, must be close to a September 3 record!) with a strong,
> gusty north westerly blowing and some raised dust to boot.  Lots of strong
> wind and gale warnings out.  I've heard of one house damaged by the wind,
> and one car that's been crushed under a falling tree.  It's also very dry
> here so the forecast rain will be welcome. 20 or 30mm would not go astray...
> 
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
> paisley at cobweb.com.au
> www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley

Just looked at the 1500 bulletin. Ceduna got to 36, which is an early-
season record for them. 56 km/h seems to be quite a popular wind
observation in SA! Dust is being reported at a few Eyre Peninsula
stations, although not as many as I thought might have been the case.
Tarcoola's 35 is also an early-season record. Adelaide's 28.5 (at
last count) narrowly misses an early-seaosn record (29.1 on 31/8/1911).

WA will be worth watching at the other extreme. Perth Airport's 
September record low max is a remarkably soft 12.7 (considering that
October's record is 12.3). If the numbers that Jacob's quoted hold
(I've seen 9.5 at last check at Perth Metro) we could well see some
records falling.

Any reports of snow in WA? (I checked the Albany local news section
of the ABC website but didn't see anything).

Blair
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>
>Just looked at the 1500 bulletin. Ceduna got to 36, which is an early-
>season record for them. 56 km/h seems to be quite a popular wind
>observation in SA! Dust is being reported at a few Eyre Peninsula
>stations, although not as many as I thought might have been the case.
>Tarcoola's 35 is also an early-season record. Adelaide's 28.5 (at
>last count) narrowly misses an early-seaosn record (29.1 on 31/8/1911).
>
>WA will be worth watching at the other extreme. Perth Airport's 
>September record low max is a remarkably soft 12.7 (considering that
>October's record is 12.3). If the numbers that Jacob's quoted hold
>(I've seen 9.5 at last check at Perth Metro) we could well see some
>records falling.
>
>Any reports of snow in WA? (I checked the Albany local news section
>of the ABC website but didn't see anything).
>
>Blair

Yes, at the 2pm channel 7 news break, they said snow was reported on the
south coast. 

I've seen the temp rise as high as 11C at the Perth City site in the early
afternoon, its possible it got warmer than that earlier in sunny breaks,
but I'm not sure.

It's 9.8C in the city at 3:40pm.

Jacob

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:00:51 +1000
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Hey Peter, Sallie, Everyone..

You could also try this website - some great pictures of the Morning
Glory here..

http://www.dropbears.com/brough/


Pjcorlett at aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 9/3/99 2:11:15 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, smg at indra.com
> writes:
> 
> << Hi, I'm trying to find out what morning glory clouds are. I've heard
>  they are tubular clouds that form in the vicinity of Darwin. Is that so?
>  Are they a type of cumulus? What or where can I find out more about
>  them?
>  Sallie Greenwood >>
> 
> Sallie,
>          The morning glory clouds are roll clouds caused by large-amplitude
> waves in the atmosphere. They tend to form regularly spaced cylindrical
> clouds that can be hundreds of km's long. They are quite spectacular,
> although the winds inside them are gusty and you wouldn't want to fly a light
> plane into one.
> 
> They can be formed by sea-breeze convergence over the Cape York Peninsula at
> times where a strong inversion layer exists aloft. Where the two sea breezes
> meet, they push the inversion layer up into a long ridge without breaking
> through it. The sea breezes die at night and the inversion "ridge" collapses
> and propagates into the Gulf of Carpentaria as a series of waves. The clouds
> form in the "peaks" of these waves.
> 
> For more info try...
> 
> Christie, D.R., 1992, "The morning glory of the Gulf of Carpentaria: a
> paradigm for non-linear waves in the lower atmosphere", Australian
> Meteorological Magazine, vol. 42, pp. 21 - 60.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pete.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide (was:Sydney - potential for warm day
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> 
> 
> >
> >Just looked at the 1500 bulletin. Ceduna got to 36, which is an early-
> >season record for them. 56 km/h seems to be quite a popular wind
> >observation in SA! Dust is being reported at a few Eyre Peninsula
> >stations, although not as many as I thought might have been the case.
> >Tarcoola's 35 is also an early-season record. Adelaide's 28.5 (at
> >last count) narrowly misses an early-seaosn record (29.1 on 31/8/1911).
> >
> >WA will be worth watching at the other extreme. Perth Airport's 
> >September record low max is a remarkably soft 12.7 (considering that
> >October's record is 12.3). If the numbers that Jacob's quoted hold
> >(I've seen 9.5 at last check at Perth Metro) we could well see some
> >records falling.
> >
> >Any reports of snow in WA? (I checked the Albany local news section
> >of the ABC website but didn't see anything).
> >
> >Blair
> 
> Yes, at the 2pm channel 7 news break, they said snow was reported on the
> south coast. 
> 
> I've seen the temp rise as high as 11C at the Perth City site in the early
> afternoon, its possible it got warmer than that earlier in sunny breaks,
> but I'm not sure.
> 
> It's 9.8C in the city at 3:40pm.
> 
> Jacob

WA 1500 max temps are now through. Perth Airport made it to 14! Bickley
was the lowest max temp in WA at 8. This might, but probably won't,
be a state record for September (currently 7.8).

Blair
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On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:35:19 -0600, Sallie Greenwood 
wrote:

>Hi, I'm trying to find out what morning glory clouds are. I've heard
>they are tubular clouds that form in the vicinity of Darwin. Is that so?
>Are they a type of cumulus? What or where can I find out more about
>them?
>Sallie Greenwood
>
Sallie, in addition to Pete's excellent summary, try
http://www.dropbears.com/brough/

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:33:26 +0800
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From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Two funnel clouds and one Waterspout today!!!!!
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Hi all,
	 Just letting you all know that i saw two funnel clouds today and one
waterspout off the coast of Perth. I was at work and could see some good
cells coming in, one had a wicked anvil and i could see a lowered base at a
distance, so i left work, as you would, and was heading towards it when
this funnel just came down, almost to the ground it was, i took a pic as i
was driving, it was very quick. I then kept going towards the storm, came
up over a hill and there was this water spout down!! right infront of
me!!!!! only about 2ks or less even away. I took about 2 or 3 pics, it only
lasted about 3-5mins. It died as it hit the shore line. After the cell
passed i saw another funnel at the rear of it from a distance and took one
pic. Ill try to get em developted tomorrow sometime and will paste em asap.
Thats 6 water spouts, 9 funnel clouds and 5 tornadoes here for winter, not
bad at all. Im glad i got to see at least some of em.

(geeze i love living in WA!!!) Ira Fehlberg

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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: aus-wx: Sharing information -- NPMOC satellite archive
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:57:40 GMT
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After the recent stir with FNMOC model output, I'd better check that
these URL's are known to everyone:

IR full globe: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/archive/g5iwp/
IR 45N to 45S: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/archive/jtgio/
Vis full globe: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/archive/g5vwp/
WV full globe: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/archive/wpwv/

Each carries 2 weeks of hourly (sometimes half-hourly) satpics in both
gif and jpg format. They are large, but very useful if you want to
study a short-term event like a thunderstorm!

Laurier

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:29:08 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Sydney ASWA meeting - yes we have one now
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Hi Jimmy Deguara here,

You bet  the Australian Severe Weather Association meeting is to be held on 
Saturday morning the 11th September 1999  beginning at 10am but be there at 
9:30am.

Venue: 2KY House on EVEL 3.  Ring Grant Boyden if you are late via his 
mobile on 0412661937

How to get there, accommodation (if neccessary), and arrangements is as
follows:

2KY House 20-22 Wentworth St Parramatta very close to the railway station on
the southern side. There is parking almost opposite to the building which 
is about $5 a day on Saturday.

Accommodation: Mariott or the Park Royal $140. E-mail Grant 
Boyden  boyden at zeta.org.au   or ring on his mobile.

Please bring photos and videos of your favourite severe weather events and 
let us have a ball!!!! Don't worry if this is your first time, do come along...

Regards
Jimmy Deguara

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