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001 Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu] Yesterday's Melbourne Storm Chase (fwd)
002 Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu] NBC video (fwd)
003 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] NBC video (fwd)
004 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] New Year's Eve 1992 (31/12/92)
005 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Chaser article in Chicago Tribune
006 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Weather humour
007 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] New Year's Eve 1992 (31/12/92)
008 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Yesterday's Melbourne Storm Chase (fwd)
009 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] NBC video (fwd)
010 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] NBC video (fwd))
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001
From: Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]
Subject: aus-wx: Yesterday's Melbourne Storm Chase (fwd)
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Australian Severe Weather Association)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:58:33 +0000 (GMT)
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Jane,
You mentioned the magid dry... word in conjunction
with storms near Melbourne. What do we know about the role
of the dryline in regard to the storms? Was it separating
moist air S from dry hot continental air N? Did the
storms fire right along or slightly ahead of it?
Were there any intersections with a surface cold front
pushing in from the W?
Maybe Jeff remembers some of those details.
The answers [if available] will certainly help to
refine storm chase strategies for the Victorian
region in the upcoming season.
Harald
----- Forwarded message from Jane ONeill -----
[BIG snip]
Many thanks to the people who kept us up to date this weekend with what was
happening where - and especially to Jeff from the Bureau for his help in
pinpointing the dryline & its movement later in the afternoon/evening
yesterday.
[little snip]
----- End of forwarded message from Jane ONeill -----
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State University of New York at Albany
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002
From: Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]
Subject: aus-wx: NBC video (fwd)
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Greetings (1ce more),
It seems I have to respond to every email Jane
writes recently.
This mail is about US storm chasers interested in
storms that rotate clockwise. I know that there is a
certain percentage of US chasers that is dying to chase
mesocyclones with clockwise rotation (dangling above
trees full of koalas drinking beer - the koalas, not the
trees). With a consensus from this list
I am happy to pass on some ASWA info/contact numbers
to those US storm chasers who are interested in
Australian severe weather. I firmly believe that this
would benefit this list as well as the US chasers.
Whaddaya think, folks?
Harald
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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The media both here and in the USA have suddenly become intensely interested
in ASWA!!!!!
At the ASWA meeting in Melbourne on Saturday, I got a call from Donna
Tolbert of NBC in California who was trying to find someone to interview
regarding the 1983 Melbourne dust storm for their "World's Most Amazing
Videos"!!!!! I've given her Dane Newman & Rod Aikman's email & mobile phone
numbers (only) - so you 2 guys should expect a phonecall probably tomorrow.
They want to have a camera crew in Melbourne either Wednesday or Thursday
this week .......don't forget to wash your ASWA shirts and point the logo at
the camera if you agree to be interviewed
Jane
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Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
Melbourne Storm Chasers
Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
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003
From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: NBC video (fwd)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:38:10 +1000
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Harald and all,
The Melbourne Storm Chasers site has a page with everyone's contact email &
mobile numbers - feel free to advertise us Victorians to the world....
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/email.htm
PS: a photo of a meso can be found at
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/2a_3_99.htm
Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
"yesterday Victoria....today Australia.....tomorrow -----> THE WORLD"
Original Message -----
From: Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]
To: Australian Severe Weather Association [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 1999 2:15
Subject: aus-wx: NBC video (fwd)
> Greetings (1ce more),
>
> It seems I have to respond to every email Jane
> writes recently.
>
> This mail is about US storm chasers interested in
> storms that rotate clockwise. I know that there is a
> certain percentage of US chasers that is dying to chase
> mesocyclones with clockwise rotation (dangling above
> trees full of koalas drinking beer - the koalas, not the
> trees). With a consensus from this list
> I am happy to pass on some ASWA info/contact numbers
> to those US storm chasers who are interested in
> Australian severe weather. I firmly believe that this
> would benefit this list as well as the US chasers.
>
> Whaddaya think, folks?
>
> Harald
>
>
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004
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From: "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: New Year's Eve 1992 (31/12/92)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:41:30 EST
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Hi every1,
I'm putting together a page on my site about the New Year's Eve hailstorm of
31/12/92 in Wycheproof...but i need a copy of a synoptic chart for the
afternoon of that date and a satpic (if possible).
If anyone knows of any archived material that goes back this far could you
please email me.
Ta,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
P.S. I've got some interesting photos from some locals to flesh out the
page! ;)
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005
From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Chaser article in Chicago Tribune
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:41:00 +1000
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Thought this article could make interesting reading with coffee this
morning, especially as ASWA is becoming more widely known.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/leisure/magazine/printedition/article/0,2669,S
AV-9910100228,FF.html
Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
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006
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Weather humour
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:57:28 +1000 (EST)
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To add to the one Jane just mentioned, another article good for a
few laughs (especially if you've ever seen American media hype in
action):
http://www.miamiherald.com/content/archive/living/barry/1999/docs/oct10.htm
Blair Trewin
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007
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Year's Eve 1992 (31/12/92)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:52:57 +1000 (EST)
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>
> Hi every1,
>
> I'm putting together a page on my site about the New Year's Eve hailstorm of
> 31/12/92 in Wycheproof...but i need a copy of a synoptic chart for the
> afternoon of that date and a satpic (if possible).
I'm not sure how well it will reproduce, but I should be able to get
a copy of the charts from that month's 'Monthly Weather Review'.
(For those who subscribe to the AMOS Bulletin, I use these publications,
which go back to 1965, as my main source for the 'Charts From The Past'
column).
New Year's Eve/New Year's Day has been a good time for thunderstorms
over recent years; there was a particularly notable
outbreak in Victoria on New Year's Eve, 1991, and other outbreaks
in 1987 and 1995.
(On the other hand, if this year's New Year period is as hot as that
of 1899/1900 - one of only five instances of three consecutive 40+
days in Melbourne - the power might be going out for reasons that
have absolutely nothing to do with the Y2K bug).
Blair Trewin
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008
From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yesterday's Melbourne Storm Chase (fwd)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:44:38 +1000
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I must admit that the ' dry line ' sentence took my interest as well. I knew
that there was some convergence in the area with cool air from the low
circulation, converging with the warm / hit northerlies, but I though that
was up nearer the border areas.
As you mention understanding this situation would be a major key in storm
chasing strategy.
Michael
> Jane,
>
> You mentioned the magid dry... word in conjunction
> with storms near Melbourne. What do we know about the role
> of the dryline in regard to the storms? Was it separating
> moist air S from dry hot continental air N? Did the
> storms fire right along or slightly ahead of it?
> Were there any intersections with a surface cold front
> pushing in from the W?
>
> Maybe Jeff remembers some of those details.
> The answers [if available] will certainly help to
> refine storm chase strategies for the Victorian
> region in the upcoming season.
>
> Harald
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Jane ONeill -----
>
> [BIG snip]
>
> Many thanks to the people who kept us up to date this weekend with what
was
> happening where - and especially to Jeff from the Bureau for his help in
> pinpointing the dryline & its movement later in the afternoon/evening
> yesterday.
>
> [little snip]
>
> ----- End of forwarded message from Jane ONeill -----
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Harald Richter
> Postdoctoral Research Associate
> Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
> State University of New York at Albany
> 1400 Washington Avenue
> Albany, NY 12222
> phone: (518) 442-4273 fax: (518) 442-4494
> spatz at atmos.albany.edu
> http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/spatz/spatz.html
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009
From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: NBC video (fwd)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:07:42 +1000
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Certainly Harald, I for one would love to participate.!! Pass on my info
please.
I often wonder about the USA perception about Australian chasers, I did once
hear that many US chasers have come to the conclusion that tornadoes outside
the US are a non-event or freak occurrence, this being based solely on the
lack on pics on Australian sites.
At the risk of opening a can of worms( and rehashing a favourite topic ) I
must admit that my personal opinion is that I agree that they ( USA
chasers ) can come to that conclusion based on what they see. The other fear
I also have is that if any USA chasers come over here expecting things like
they are on the great plains then they will be very disappointed.
Having said that the reason is not lack of supercells, it is geography and
chase resources.
Many USA chasers will drive 300-400 miles to get the best areas, and they
have a road network that always this quickly and in relative safety.
Australian chasers as a rule do not cover such vast distances as the roads
are crap. Lets imagine we had a USA road setup allowing us to chase nearly
every available system in SE Australia, our pages would be full of
mesocyclones. But having adequate roads is one thing, have you ever looked
at the great plains geography and compared that to say the tablelands of
NSW, there is no comparison, what simply takes 50 miles of USA roads to
reach is often simply unreachable in Australia. An example of the bad roads
is that I live in reality less than 200 km from the lower Hunter, yet I
cannot drive there in less than near 4 hours.
One famous quote from you US chaser is that he loves the treeless great
plains as trees make him feel closed in - my advice don't chase eastern
Australia if you hate trees.
Secondly we do not have the technical resources, although this has improved
dramatically in the last couple of years. Thanks to the AVN and other models
we can now do some predictions about target areas. But we still lack live on
the road resource other than updates from friends.
Michael
> It seems I have to respond to every email Jane
> writes recently.
>
> This mail is about US storm chasers interested in
> storms that rotate clockwise. I know that there is a
> certain percentage of US chasers that is dying to chase
> mesocyclones with clockwise rotation (dangling above
> trees full of koalas drinking beer - the koalas, not the
> trees). With a consensus from this list
> I am happy to pass on some ASWA info/contact numbers
> to those US storm chasers who are interested in
> Australian severe weather. I firmly believe that this
> would benefit this list as well as the US chasers.
>
> Whaddaya think, folks?
>
> Harald
>
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Jane ONeill -----
>
> >From aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Mon Oct 11 10:06:16 1999
> From: "Jane ONeill"
> To: "Aussie Weather"
> Subject: aus-wx: NBC video
> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:55:10 +1000
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> The media both here and in the USA have suddenly become intensely
interested
> in ASWA!!!!!
>
> At the ASWA meeting in Melbourne on Saturday, I got a call from Donna
> Tolbert of NBC in California who was trying to find someone to interview
> regarding the 1983 Melbourne dust storm for their "World's Most Amazing
> Videos"!!!!! I've given her Dane Newman & Rod Aikman's email & mobile
phone
> numbers (only) - so you 2 guys should expect a phonecall probably
tomorrow.
> They want to have a camera crew in Melbourne either Wednesday or Thursday
> this week .......don't forget to wash your ASWA shirts and point the logo
at
> the camera if you agree to be interviewed
>
> Jane
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Jane ONeill
> ASWA - Victoria
> Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
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>
>
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> Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
> State University of New York at Albany
> 1400 Washington Avenue
> Albany, NY 12222
> phone: (518) 442-4273 fax: (518) 442-4494
> spatz at atmos.albany.edu
> http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/spatz/spatz.html
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:10:05 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
Michael Thompson wrote:
Michael Thompson made me remember something that I thought I should
bring to any Australian (or anyone who drives on the left hand side of
the road) thinking of chasing, and hiring a car in the US.
This is quite a serious thought, so I hope people take it seriously.
When I was in the US just recently with my mum, we hired a car. This
was fine, and evening driving on the right hand side of the road (while
somewhat foreign) was fine. Perhaps what was hardest, was turning into
another street, you had to think. But still, this was fine, and we had
no problems.
The operative word in the above paragraph is "think" - what we often
think, is not always what our instinct tells us. And when we're in a
tight situation, our instinct normally takes over, and we no longer
think.
What am I saying here? Essentially, this. Driving on the right hand
side of the road was fine, UNTIL - while driving, my mother had to take
a turn at short notice, something that she was quite capable of doing,
however she had to react quickly, and instinct as per usual took over.
So what happened? She turned into the street, driving on the left hand
side of the road, narrowly missing two cars that had to stealthly veer
around us.
I have visions of something similar, possibly happening in the US,
during a storm chase. So often, while on storm chases, we'll see a road
nearby and say "Quickly! Turn into that road" - and that's fine, but if
you do so too quickly, your instinct will take over, and you will most
likely initially drive on the left hand side of the road. I'm guessing
that in the country, the odds of a car travelling down a small country
lane is quite low, but I felt it was possibly something you might want
to consider in terms of road safety. And safety should always be your
priority, and should never be compromised.
I'm not trying to discourage people from going to the US, and hiring a
car, but I'm just trying to make one aspect quite clear to you, that you
may have not yet fully contemplated. It may be even more difficult, if
you've been driving for 10, 15 even 20 odd years.
Hope some people find this helpful...
--
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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