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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Friday, 5 November 1999

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001 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Perth Storms
002 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]         What's happened to Laurier William's site?
003 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]                What's happened to Laurier William's site?
004 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          What's happened to Laurier William's site?
005 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Wet weekend?
006 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Wet weekend?
007 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Wet weekend?
008 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Wet weekend?
009 "David Croan" [wxbustchase at hotmail.com]        Wet weekend?)
010 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Beaded Mercury in Thermometer...
011 "L.J. & B. Smail" [gws at pipeline.com.au]        What's happened to Laurier William's site?
012 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Wet weekend?)
013 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Wet weekend?
014 astroman [astroman at chariot.net.au]             STA - South Australia
015 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Radar discussion?
016 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Wet weekend?
017 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]             Wet weekend?
018 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Radar discussion?
019 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]        Cyclone bid results
020 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Wet weekend?
021 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]             Chilly still in Brisbane
022 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]    Wet weekend?
023 "David Croan" [wxbustchase at hotmail.com]        STA western NSW 14:19
024 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Wet weekend?
025 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Radar discussion?
026 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Radar discussion?
027 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          What's happened to Laurier William's site?
028 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Radar discussion?
029 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Beaded Mercury in Thermometer...
030 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]           Radar discussion?
031 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Fwd: THUNDER  REQUEST!!!! PLEASE HELP
032 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]           Davis weather instruments
033 "Rod Aikman" [raikman at hotmail.com]             Radar discussion?
034 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Weekend rain event

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001
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:48:23 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Perth Storms
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All:

>From shortly after my last message to Anthony and another to Harald......I
have been kept off-line by a screw up of my provider, Compuserve, and have
missed all messages.  My mail box overflowed.  Glad to be back.

Les

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From: "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:32:25 +1300
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> Hi Folks. There's no reason it should be down, and I've just checked
> (at 7pm EDST) and it's ok for me. But then, I'm dialling in through
> Ozemail and my site is on Ozemail. I'd appreciate any further feedback
> from non-ozemail clients.

 I still can't access the site this morning. 
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:08:28 +1100
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Likewise, I get error message 404 file not found. Dane. 
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From: Ben Tichborne [tich at netaccess.co.nz]
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Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?


>
>
>
> 
>> Hi Folks. There's no reason it should be down, and I've just checked
>> (at 7pm EDST) and it's ok for me. But then, I'm dialling in through
>> Ozemail and my site is on Ozemail. I'd appreciate any further feedback
>> from non-ozemail clients.
>
> I still can't access the site this morning. 
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:25:48 GMT
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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:32:25 +1300, "Ben Tichborne"
 wrote:

>> Hi Folks. There's no reason it should be down, and I've just checked
>> (at 7pm EDST) and it's ok for me. But then, I'm dialling in through
>> Ozemail and my site is on Ozemail. I'd appreciate any further feedback
>> from non-ozemail clients.
>
Hi Ben

I can access the site now at 10.20 EDST Friday, but a check of the hit
stats for the past couple of days indicates traffic is down by about
15% on normal. I think the problem may lie with internet traffic
issues unconnected with Ozemail. I've had problems getting on to some
common sites in both Australia and the US over the past week.



-- 
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:46:16 GMT
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GASP, LAPS and the latest AVN all have the low over SA moving SE
through about Melbourne late tomorrow morning, with a broad,
slow-moving band of rain amplifying east across Vic, NSW and Qld over
the weekend. All 3 models are looking at 50 to 100mm over a wide area.
There's good upper support for this system, too, with cold air
swinging north around the western side of the low as it moves to the
east of Tasmania, with GASP predicting thicknesses of < 536 and 850
temps < 0 over all Victoria by 1200z Monday. 

-- 
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Australian Weather Links and News
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 00:01:30 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Laurier Williams wrote:

> GASP, LAPS and the latest AVN all have the low over SA moving SE
> through about Melbourne late tomorrow morning, with a broad

I've just been guided to the NPMOC website and the BoM sfc chart - it all
looks excellent for severe storm development in most of S and SE Australia -
thanx Matt for that little lot.

Watching with a lot of interest from thousands of miles away....

Les (UK)

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007
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:12:12 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Les and all

Les Crossan wrote:

> 

SW QLD is also looking good - although some of the cloud might inhibit
some of the convection there, but AVN is forecasting the LI's to dip
below -10 in a fairly large area, and a with a very large area of 3000+
CAPE, getting up near 3500 in some areas.  Shear is quite strong too,
increasing from 20-25kn  at  850mb, to 100-120kn up to 2000-300mb, becoming
quite divergent during the latter part of today, and into tomorrow.  The
winds don't quite back with height to 180 degrees though, but from last
nights forecasts, about 120 degrees.  Still quite significant though.

We should get this system by Sunday...although as Laurier mentioned, it
could turn into rain.  But the models have this petering off as it nears
SE QLD, so we'll see what happens.  AVN Skew-T's for Sunday are looking
like rain, but interestingly they're only going for 23C at 4pm, giving
us LI's of -5.  If you plot 30C onto this, you get LI's in the order of
-11 to -12.  And that's only with a DP of 21C, there's the possibility
DP's could be higher if we get rain o'night on Saturday, and it breaks
up with a nice N'ly present.  MRF is going for 100kn+ jet, with maximum
divergence values.  Providing the rain breaks up, and we get some good
heating, Sunday is bound to be a great day (which is typical as I have
two major exams the next day, both Physics and Maths - and one of them
is worth 75% of my course!!)

-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 00:42:06 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Anthony Cornelius wrote:

> Hi Les and all
>
> Les Crossan wrote:
> 
> >
>
> SW QLD is also looking good



Too right it is - I await with baited breath the supercell reports....

Can someone give me the URL where I can get all this LI / CAPE / helicity etc
etc data????

Les(UK)

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Subject: Re: Sat Sydney storm chase? (was aus-wx: Wet weekend?)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:00:54 EST
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>Les Crossan  wrote:

>I've just been guided to the NPMOC website and the BoM sfc chart - it all
>looks excellent for severe storm development in most of S and SE Australia 
>-

With the forecast development and movement of the low it certainly is 
looking good for severe storms - somewhere in NSW/QLD - the question is 
where.

Given the NSW ASWA meeting on Saturday night I guess we (Sydney people that 
is) are restricted in chasing too far from home - unfortunate as the 
nortwest slopes and plains looks the goods. I suggest that if things do look 
promising locally (ie we dont get rained-in) come Saturday morning, then 
interested Sydney chasers / storm spotters congregrate at Rooty Hill 
sometime mid-morning/lunch; with any luck well get a live session b4 the 
videos later on.

I guess we'll see :)


David

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:04:06 -0800
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Does anyone know a good way to get rid of that beaded effect in mercury
thermometers? I dropped my max/min thermometer (only a few inches onto
the floor of my screen but it was enough) and the minimum side has a
little ball of mercury about two degrees above the main line of mercury.
I managed to get the maximum side back to normal but the minimum side
still has that little ball of mercury in it. Have I explained the
problem  clearly enough?

Thanks,


Lindsay Pearce


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From: "L.J. & B. Smail" [gws at pipeline.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?
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Dear all,
I had the same problem with Laurier's site (404 Not Found).  So I
eliminated the index.html off the end of the URL address and got in OK.
Don't know why!
Lindsay Smail



>On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:32:25 +1300, "Ben Tichborne"
> wrote:
>
>>> Hi Folks. There's no reason it should be down, and I've just checked
>>> (at 7pm EDST) and it's ok for me. But then, I'm dialling in through
>>> Ozemail and my site is on Ozemail. I'd appreciate any further feedback
>>> from non-ozemail clients.
>>
>Hi Ben
>
>I can access the site now at 10.20 EDST Friday, but a check of the hit
>stats for the past couple of days indicates traffic is down by about
>15% on normal. I think the problem may lie with internet traffic
>issues unconnected with Ozemail. I've had problems getting on to some
>common sites in both Australia and the US over the past week.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Laurier Williams
>Australian Weather Links and News
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: Sat Sydney storm chase? (was aus-wx: Wet weekend?)
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No doubt that it will be another Narrabri / Gunnedah special this weekend.
With Sydney my main worry is the cloud mass and the wind direction, we could
be out of the main divergence area and just get winds that are part of the
low circulation. The other problem may be too much cloud.

Michael





>
> With the forecast development and movement of the low it certainly is
> looking good for severe storms - somewhere in NSW/QLD - the question is
> where.
>
> Given the NSW ASWA meeting on Saturday night I guess we (Sydney people
that
> is) are restricted in chasing too far from home - unfortunate as the
> nortwest slopes and plains looks the goods. I suggest that if things do
look
> promising locally (ie we dont get rained-in) come Saturday morning, then
> interested Sydney chasers / storm spotters congregrate at Rooty Hill
> sometime mid-morning/lunch; with any luck well get a live session b4 the
> videos later on.
>
> I guess we'll see :)
>
>
> David
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:08:30 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
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I hope the MRF performs in the southern hemisphere better than it has here!
 After about four days it is a blind chicken over the US.  It gets a
cornell of corn now and then!

Les



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     ... IMPORTANT ... PLEASE BROADCAST IMMEDIATELY ... IMPORTANT ...
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IDW16S02
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued at 11:55 am on Friday, 5 November 1999
For people in the Flinders district, the Northeast Pastoral district and the
Northwest Pastoral district east of Oodnadatta to Nonning.

Very heavy rain is likely and severe winds and large hail are possible with
thunderstorms in these districts during this afternoon.

If thunderstorms do develop in your area, flash flooding and localised damage
may occur and you are advised to take sensible precautions.  For example, watch
for flooded roads and watercourses and drive with extra caution.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:32:02 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
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Hey........I hate to bother you all but can anyone tell me if my radar
discussion made any sense at all?  Too detailed undoubtedly......maybe too
technical?

Thanks........

Les  (US)

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 01:52:50 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Les, everyone..

You can choose to plot over 100 different variables from the site
below.. unfortunately helicity is not one of them.. LI and CAPE are
there though..

http://sgi62.wwb.noaa.gov:8080/cgi-bin/disp_avn.sh


If you have trouble using the site then sing out as i have written a
page on how to use the site, but it's not 100% complete yet and i have
not uploaded it.. but there would be enough there to give a general idea
on how to use the site..

Les Crossan wrote:
> 
> Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> 
> > Hi Les and all
> >
> > Les Crossan wrote:
> > 
> > >
> >
> > SW QLD is also looking good
> 
> 
> 
> Too right it is - I await with baited breath the supercell reports....
> 
> Can someone give me the URL where I can get all this LI / CAPE / helicity etc
> etc data????
> 
> Les(UK)
> 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
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Hey Leslie, is it true that MRF stands for More Ridiculous Forecasts?
MH
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>From: "Leslie R. Lemon" 
>To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 2:08 PM
>

> I hope the MRF performs in the southern hemisphere better than it has here!
>  After about four days it is a blind chicken over the US.  It gets a
> cornell of corn now and then!
>
> Les
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 13:53:41 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Leslie and all,

"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> 
> Hey........I hate to bother you all but can anyone tell me if my radar
> discussion made any sense at all?  Too detailed undoubtedly......maybe too
> technical?
> 
> Thanks........

I'm sorry for not replying this sooner...I've just been burried under
with work/study at the moment.

Your email was excellent Leslie, I was particularly interested in one of
your comments (which I was eventually planning on emailing you about). 
It's great to have some one that holds extensive knowledge in this
subject That is this:

> Note that the diameter of the precip particles is the dominant term in
> radar reflectivity.  For example, one 1/4 inch rain drop will reflect the
> same amount of power (have the same reflectivity) as sixty four 1/8 of an
> inch drops!  There is a whole lot more water in the sixty four 1/8 inch
> drops than in the single 1/4 inch drop. 

Given that the original question (back in April) was related to why
coastal showers, that give the same, if not higher precip rates as
thunderstorms do, do not show up with as high precip rates on radar. 
>From what you've written here, I was given the impression (essentially)
that lots of small drops, will have the same reflectivity as one large
drop.

Given that coastal showers generally consist of intense small drops of
rain, over thunderstorms with large drops of rain - one could perhaps
conclude that the central reason for the difference on radar
relfectivity is simply because radar sees one 1/4 inch rain drop to have
the same reflectivity as 64 1/8 inch drops.

Is this a correct assumption?

Thanks,
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:16:26 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
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Hi all,

All the cyclone bid results are available from the following
url.

http://strikeone.com.au/cyclone/results.htm

Good luck.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:03:44 +1000
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I thought MRF stood for Medium Range F...up.

Although it doesn't appear to be too bad 0-72hrs days as a general rule,
(probably because it's built on the AVN model, and is normally very
similar to AVN 0-72hrs) but normally after that it tends to do as it
pleases.

Mark Hardy wrote:
> 
> Hey Leslie, is it true that MRF stands for More Ridiculous Forecasts?
> MH
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Chilly still in Brisbane
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:27:16 -0000
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Mmm.

Well the models may look promising, but we are still evidently sitting in 
the sights of a distinctly non-tropical SE airstream originating somwhere 
South of NZ.  Overnights are still hovering around the 12/13C at Mt. Crosby 
with max's well below average.  Humidity is not really that high either. 
 Just returned from lunch (at the pub as is traditional on Friday) where it 
was unpleasantly cold & windy - more so than in at least the last 6 weeks 
or so.  Without measuring, I would guess the current outside temp as being 
in the low 20's despite a broken cloud cover.  So my guess is this will 
just turn into rain as the upper system approaches, unless we lose this 
cool SE influence real quick.

John.
>snip
Chilly for November in Brisbane that is.
Mt. Crosby min last night 12.5C, max yesterday 22C, today 23.5.  That's 
around 5C..7C below average for this location.

John.

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:49:39 +1100
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone

This is not a good sign if there is rain in Brisbane!
There is a cricket Test match on and if we lose a day with rain this means
Australia is batting last on a deteriorating wicket after Steve Waugh won the
toss. Obviously Steve Waugh should subscribe to the aussie-weather mailing
list.

Chas
Strahan Tasmania

Anthony Cornelius wrote:

> Hi Les and all
>
> Les Crossan wrote:
> 
> >
>
> SW QLD is also looking good - although some of the cloud might inhibit
> some of the convection there, but AVN is forecasting the LI's to dip
> below -10 in a fairly large area, and a with a very large area of 3000+
> CAPE, getting up near 3500 in some areas.  Shear is quite strong too,
> increasing from 20-25kn  at  850mb, to 100-120kn up to 2000-300mb, becoming
> quite divergent during the latter part of today, and into tomorrow.  The
> winds don't quite back with height to 180 degrees though, but from last
> nights forecasts, about 120 degrees.  Still quite significant though.
>
> We should get this system by Sunday...although as Laurier mentioned, it
> could turn into rain.  But the models have this petering off as it nears
> SE QLD, so we'll see what happens.  AVN Skew-T's for Sunday are looking
> like rain, but interestingly they're only going for 23C at 4pm, giving
> us LI's of -5.  If you plot 30C onto this, you get LI's in the order of
> -11 to -12.  And that's only with a DP of 21C, there's the possibility
> DP's could be higher if we get rain o'night on Saturday, and it breaks
> up with a nice N'ly present.  MRF is going for 100kn+ jet, with maximum
> divergence values.  Providing the rain breaks up, and we get some good
> heating, Sunday is bound to be a great day (which is typical as I have
> two major exams the next day, both Physics and Maths - and one of them
> is worth 75% of my course!!)
>
> --
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> (ASWA)
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As expected:


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Issued at 1419 on Friday the 5th of November 1999

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:36:12 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
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Mike:

LOL........that is a new one on me!  But it often fits!  I like the ECMWF
any day over the MRF or AVN for that matter.  As I see it, that (ECMWF) is
now about the best model around.  Even the ETA has not been performing
well.....not as far as convective precip or soundings.

Les (US)

> Hey Leslie, is it true that MRF stands for More Ridiculous Forecasts?
> MH
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:10:33 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
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Anthony and all:

Thanks for your reply to my question.  

Yes, the coastal showers apparently tend to be more tropical or stratiform
in nature and therefore have smaller drop size distributions than do the
interior thunderstorms.  For those mathematically inclined, the equation is

                        Z = N (D to the 6th power), 

where Z is the radar reflectivity and N is the number of drops in the radar
pulse volume of a given diameter, and D is the diameter of those drops
raised to the 6th power (exponent of 6).  Actually this is a summation over
all the different drop sizes.

Again, put more simply, the diameter of the precip particles dominates
reflectivity.  Thus, it is possible (highly probable in fact) to get far
more rain from a tropical shower than from an interior thunderstorm with
the same radar reflectivity.  For this reason, those rainfall rates listed
for the colors on the radar display are only very rough approximations.  

There is another factor I will mention here that you need to keep in
mind.......the coastal, tropical, and stratiform rains are lower topped
than interior thunderstorms.  Therefore, the more distant radars may
overshoot some of the former type or detect them as much weaker than the
latter type.  (This is made even worse because the former types of rains
have their highest reflectivities very near the ground while the interior
thunderstorms will have elevated [often near the - 15 degree C level]
maximum  reflectivities.)

I do hope this is not too confusing to most.  If so, I will stop giving all
this detail.

Les (US)

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:34:07 +1000
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Hi Les,

Thanks very much for finally answering a question that has 'plagued' us
for months.  Is this why the prefered unit is in dbz?

"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
>
> I do hope this is not too confusing to most.  If so, I will stop giving all
> this detail.

Not at all Les!  Please keep up the detail in your replies, I enjoy
reading a well thought-out, comprehensive email that stimulates your
mind.

Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:08:01 GMT
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On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 00:54:58 +1100, "L.J. & B. Smail"
 wrote:

>Dear all,
>I had the same problem with Laurier's site (404 Not Found).  So I
>eliminated the index.html off the end of the URL address and got in OK.
>Don't know why!
>Lindsay Smail
>
Thanks Lindsay. The thought crossed my mind today while I was away
from my computer that the html extension on index.html may have been
truncated, and that is what has happened. I have just started using
Frontpage 2000 as my main html editor, and Mr Gates, in his great
wisdom, automatically converts htm extensions to html. Now, to find
where the default settings can be changed.......

Laurier

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On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:32:02 -0500, "Leslie R. Lemon"
 wrote:

>Hey........I hate to bother you all but can anyone tell me if my radar
>discussion made any sense at all?  Too detailed undoubtedly......maybe too
>technical?
>
Not at all, Les. Those on this list either like the detail or are
working their way into it.

Laurier

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Beaded Mercury in Thermometer...
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:51:25 GMT
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On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:04:06 -0800, Lindsay 
wrote:

>Does anyone know a good way to get rid of that beaded effect in mercury
>thermometers? I dropped my max/min thermometer (only a few inches onto
>the floor of my screen but it was enough) and the minimum side has a
>little ball of mercury about two degrees above the main line of mercury.
>I managed to get the maximum side back to normal but the minimum side
>still has that little ball of mercury in it. Have I explained the
>problem  clearly enough?
>
Lindsay -- I presume you have a six's thermometer, i.e. the
thermometer is u-shaped, min to the left, max to the right, with a
bulb at the top of the minimum side, and alcohol filling the gap
between the bulb and the mercury, and sliders that stay at the min/max
temps. And the blob of mercury is sitting in the alcohol, going up and
down infuriatingly above the main body of mercury.

The safest fix is to cool the thermometer to the point that the blob
and the main body of mercury *just* begin to enter the bulb, but
you'll probably need dry ice for this. The mercury will spread out and
rejoin. If you use this method, be careful to allow the thermometer to
reheat gradually.

A second possibility is to tie a rope firmly to the top of the
thermometer, then swing it around your head (standing well clear of
obstructions!!!) to generate enough downward force on the blob to
encourage it to rejoin its mate. This can have the effect of upsetting
the callibration of the thermometer, however, though if the mercury is
fairly evenly balanced on the left and right sides this is less of a
worry. 

Laurier

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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:15:48 +1100
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Les,

Your explanations are great - you've been aiming at both those in the group
with the maths, physics & meteorology background to be able to cope with
them - but you're also explaining concepts in simpler terminology (and
that's great for those of us who are still considerably lower down the
meteorological - evolutionary scale - I'm speaking for myself here )

Please keep the explanations - we're all here to learn........

Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
Email: cadence at rubix.net.au 
Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
http://www.severeweather.asn.au

�

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Leslie R.
>Lemon
>Sent: Friday, 5 November 1999 5:11
>To: INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
>
>
>Anthony and all:
>
>Thanks for your reply to my question.
>
>Yes, the coastal showers apparently tend to be more tropical or stratiform
>in nature and therefore have smaller drop size distributions than do the
>interior thunderstorms.  For those mathematically inclined, the equation is
>
>                        Z = N (D to the 6th power),
>
>where Z is the radar reflectivity and N is the number of drops in the radar
>pulse volume of a given diameter, and D is the diameter of those drops
>raised to the 6th power (exponent of 6).  Actually this is a summation over
>all the different drop sizes.
>
>Again, put more simply, the diameter of the precip particles dominates
>reflectivity.  Thus, it is possible (highly probable in fact) to get far
>more rain from a tropical shower than from an interior thunderstorm with
>the same radar reflectivity.  For this reason, those rainfall rates listed
>for the colors on the radar display are only very rough approximations.
>
>There is another factor I will mention here that you need to keep in
>mind.......the coastal, tropical, and stratiform rains are lower topped
>than interior thunderstorms.  Therefore, the more distant radars may
>overshoot some of the former type or detect them as much weaker than the
>latter type.  (This is made even worse because the former types of rains
>have their highest reflectivities very near the ground while the interior
>thunderstorms will have elevated [often near the - 15 degree C level]
>maximum  reflectivities.)
>
>I do hope this is not too confusing to most.  If so, I will stop giving all
>this detail.
>
>Les (US)
>
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Hi everyone,

I suppose this is some worthwhile cause for people to help if they want. I 
was sent this and it reminded me of how lucky I was but I suppose that this 
person still finds some enjoyment in severe stormy weather. Any suggestions??

Jimmy Deguara

>Delivered-To: jdeguara at j.pop.ihug.com.au
>From: Ctglenzer at aol.com
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:36:08 EST
>Subject: THUNDER
>To: jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 218
>
>  Dear Jimmy,
>
>  I have a favor if you please.  I have a blind friend who basically has "1"
>  hobby -- that brings him great satisfaction.  He records THUNDERSTORMS !!!
>I
>  write to you wondering if you could pass me any thunder you may have
>captured
>  on cassette tape from specific cities not to exclude international
>cities/countries.
>
>  Thank you for your help.  I plan to gather this THUNDER and really surprise
>  him.  I cannot TELL you how EXCITED he will be!  My address is:
>
>  Craig Glenzer
>  98-1390 Koaheahe Place  #141
>  Pearl City, HI   96782
>
>  Thank you again for your time and effort in anything you can come up for me,
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Craig Glenzer
>
>
>


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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Davis weather instruments
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:45:05 +1100
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On my way to the dentist yesterday afternoon, I visited Solar Flair, a
company that distributes Davis weather instruments like the Weather Wizard
III.  I'm trying to negotiate a deal with them to get ASWA members (and BTW
he's interested in joining ASWA!!) a reasonable discount (between 5 &
10%!!!!).  They are happy to send equipment all over Australia ($10 per
delivery) and all goods are in regular supply.

If you have been wanting any 'weather watching equipment' and might be
interested in purchasing something for a heck of a lot less than you can get
elsewhere like Dick Smith - please let me know by emailing me at
cadence at rubix.net.au so I can give them some figures to work with.  The more
interest we generate, the greater the possible discount for all of us.

If you'd like to see the range of equipment that is available from Solar
Flair, please visit the Davis site
http://www.davisnet.com/products/weather.htm


Jane
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Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
Melbourne Storm Chasers
Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:58:26 EST
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Les,
    Your comments regarding the radar are very useful and informative, and I 
am sure that a lot of people on the list feel the same way. It is good that 
a professional person such as yourself can take the time to explain things 
like this to a group of people, of which a large percentage, such as myself, 
are amateurs.

Regards,
Rod Aikman
Bendigo Vic


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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: aus-wx: Weekend rain event
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:04:25 GMT
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Good rain in Bourke over the past few hours:

>48 METAR YBKE BOURKE AWS 1105 1800 02009KT     22.6/18.4     Q1006.8 RF00.0/000.2
>48 SPECI YBKE BOURKE AWS 1105 1900 36005KT     20.9/19.9     Q1007.8 RF01.2/005.0
>48 SPECI YBKE BOURKE AWS 1105 2000 23006KT     20.1/19.6     Q1008.4 RF04.8/022.0
>48 METAR YBKE BOURKE AWS 1105 2100 05014KT     20.4/19.9     Q1006.9 RF00.6/044.4

That's 44.2mm 6 to 9pm. Swan Hill in Vic had 24mm 3 to 9pm, Nyngan NSW
37mm 3 to 9 reporting past thunderstorms and current heavy rain, and
Deniliquin AWS 22 from 3 to 9. Widespread moderate falls (3 to 10mm)
across all Victoria, patchy in NSW, and in SW Qld.

Laurier

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Updated: 06 November 1999

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