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001 "Andrew McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au] Wet weekend?
002 Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu] radar disc. consequence
003 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Radar discussion?
004 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Radar discussion?
005 Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu] radar disc. consequence (correction)
006 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Radar discussion?
007 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] radar disc. consequence
008 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] Davis weather instruments
009 "James Harris" [jimbohar at hotmail.com] Mountain Chase for today
010 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Mountain Chase for today
011 Paul Graham [tornado at hobbiton.org] NSW Severe Storms Likely...
012 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Radar discussion?
013 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] What's happened to Laurier William's site?
014 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Davis weather instruments
015 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Melbourne Storm
016 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] NSW Severe Storms Likely...
017 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] NSW Severe Storms Likely...
018 "Andrew McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au] Melbourne Squall line
019 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Melbourne Storm
020 "Max King" [mnk at dingoblue.net.au] NSW Severe Storms Likely...
021 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] NSW Severe Storms Likely...
022 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Melbourne Squall line (webcam images)
023 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Davis weather instruments
024 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Chase report
025 "Halden Boyd" [haldenboyd at hotmail.com] Att Michael Fewings Grafton Broad Scale down
026 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Radar discussion?
027 "Halden Boyd" [haldenboyd at hotmail.com] NSW Severe Storms UNLikely...
028 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Weekend rain event
029 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] Strahan Weather
030 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] All or nothing in Brisbane/SE QLD tomorrow
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001
From: "Andrew McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:53:23 +1100
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Hey all:
Now for my 2 cents worth on MRF.... I have been doing my own thunderstorm
forecasts for melbourne (victoria) for the last three or so weeks using the
MRF 9 day panel and have gone 4 from 5 so far. I have no idea if this is
due to luck (on their behalf as well as mine) but to me that's not too bad.
Andrew McDonald
Macca.
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> From: Anthony Cornelius
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet weekend?
> Date: Friday, 5 November 1999 15:03
>
> I thought MRF stood for Medium Range F...up.
>
> Although it doesn't appear to be too bad 0-72hrs days as a general rule,
> (probably because it's built on the AVN model, and is normally very
> similar to AVN 0-72hrs) but normally after that it tends to do as it
> pleases.
>
> Mark Hardy wrote:
> >
> > Hey Leslie, is it true that MRF stands for More Ridiculous Forecasts?
> > MH
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From: Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]
Subject: aus-wx: radar disc. consequence
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Hi all,
I regard Les' radar mails as a real treat. I believe
that the issues he touched upon are vital in interpreting the
(arguably) most important real-time data source for Australian
(post-referendum) storm identification.
The power law Z = D N^6 has an intriguing implication.
Imagine you observe two "clouds" with identical reflectivity signatures.
Cloud 1 shall have 10^6 spherical
drops of uniform diameter 0.1mm, while cloud 2 has drops of 1 mm.
To again get 50 dBZ cloud 2 must contain 1.0 drops.
That means cloud 1 has 1000 x the amount of water loading
of cloud 2 despite the same radar appearance. Ouchh.
Let's just hope the "rainfall" scale knows about this.
Harald
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Harald Richter
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Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
State University of New York at Albany
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:40:04 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
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Jane and all:
Thank you for this encouragement! I will continue when I am asked or see
an area I feel I can contribute to without interjecting to much of me and a
US flavor. I must say, however, that my real love is in understanding
storm structure, dynamics, and operational detection and warning (advice).
I love storms! Both radar and the visual appearance (the eye) are simply
the remote sensing tools by which we can investigate and better understand
the storms. I got my start in meteorology as a lad of 10 years old who was
a first hand, up close and personal, eye witness to an F5 tornado. It was
on the ground an hour and 53 minutes, had a long and wide path and killed
41 people, mostly in my immediate vicinity.
Les
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:58:19 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
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Anthony and all:
What a very nice thing to say! Thank you.
Yes, you are right. The reflectivity scale used in the US and elsewhere is
in dBZ rather than in mm/hr or inches/hr because, engineering wise, those
are the proper units and because, as your question alludes to, their is
such a wide variation in rainfall rate to each reflectivity level. In
fact, for very sensitive radars and with the proper selection of
reflectivity levels, the radar can be an excellent tool for insect, bird,
bat, smoke, other particulates, and even refractive index gradient (called
Bragg scattering), detection. Thus, for those applications, precipitation
is not involved at all!
Les
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From: Harald Richter [spatz at atmos.albany.edu]
Subject: aus-wx: radar disc. consequence (correction)
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Oooops,
Delete that "50 dBZ" business in my previous mail.
I meant "to again get the same reflectivity".
Sorry,
Harald
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Harald Richter
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State University of New York at Albany
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:43:26 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
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Rod and all:
Again, thank you!
Amateurs maybe, but very intelligent and motivated amateurs at that! As I
have said before, I am very impressed with the degree of knowledge and
enthusiasm in this group. You all are to be commended with the way you
approach your 'hobby'!
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Rod Aikman wrote:
> Your comments regarding the radar are very useful and informative,
and I
> am sure that a lot of people on the list feel the same way. It is good
that
> a professional person such as yourself can take the time to explain
things
> like this to a group of people, of which a large percentage, such as
myself,
> are amateurs.
>
> Regards,
> Rod Aikman
> Bendigo Vic
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Les
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:05:09 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: radar disc. consequence
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Harald:
> Let's just hope the "rainfall" scale knows about this.
That's just it! The scale does not 'know' about that. For that reason and
because I characterize the search for a 'correct' ZR relationship to be a
study in futility, I recommend that the scale not be labeled in rainfall
rates.
Les
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Davis weather instruments
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 04:19:28 +1100
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jane ONeill [cadence at rubix.net.au]
To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:45 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Davis weather instruments
> On my way to the dentist yesterday afternoon, I visited Solar Flair, a
> company that distributes Davis weather instruments like the Weather Wizard
> III. I'm trying to negotiate a deal with them to get ASWA members (and
BTW
> he's interested in joining ASWA!!) a reasonable discount (between 5 &
> 10%!!!!). They are happy to send equipment all over Australia ($10 per
> delivery) and all goods are in regular supply.
>
> If you have been wanting any 'weather watching equipment' and might be
> interested in purchasing something for a heck of a lot less than you can
get
> elsewhere like Dick Smith - please let me know by emailing me at
> cadence at rubix.net.au so I can give them some figures to work with. The
more
> interest we generate, the greater the possible discount for all of us.
>
> If you'd like to see the range of equipment that is available from Solar
> Flair, please visit the Davis site
> http://www.davisnet.com/products/weather.htm
>
>
> Jane
I wish you done this 3 yrs ago when I bought my weather station from
them................it cost me over $600 :-)
John
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From: "James Harris" [jimbohar at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Mountain Chase for today
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 10:01:17 EST
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Hey all,
Just to let you know that myself and Jimmy and possibly some others are
heading up yo Lithgow to hopefully observe some nice storms from a great
lookout up there. If everything goes well we will hopefully chase some back
into Sydney in time for the meeting tonight.
If anyone would like to join or could call us with any updates at all it
would be really appreciated.
My mobile 0414 912 191
Jimmy's 0408 020 468
Thanks all,
James H
P.S DONT FORGET TO VOTE TODAY LIKE I NEARLY DID......
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 23:22:53 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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James Harris wrote:
P.S DONT FORGET TO VOTE TODAY LIKE I NEARLY DID......
(OT) You guys aren't the only ones that don't want the Queen (:
Les
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:45:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Graham [tornado at hobbiton.org]
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Subject: aus-wx: NSW Severe Storms Likely...
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Looks like NE NSW is the place to be - although even the further S may be
good today. Strong upper level jet over the N witha surface low in the
S. Plenty of moisture...
- Paul G.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:52:56 +1100
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An interesting point you touch on here Anthony. One thing that occurs
frequently in Wollongong can be very heavy drizzle. At times the cloud base
is only 200m. The drizzle can occasionally get thick enough that several mm
can fall over a couple of hours. Very often this is the only precipitation
occurring within NSW. The radar does a dreadful job of picking it up at all
on some occasions.
Michael
> Given that the original question (back in April) was related to why
> coastal showers, that give the same, if not higher precip rates as
> thunderstorms do, do not show up with as high precip rates on radar.
> >From what you've written here, I was given the impression (essentially)
> that lots of small drops, will have the same reflectivity as one large
> drop.
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: What's happened to Laurier William's site?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:03:13 +1100
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I converted from Frontpage to Dreamweaver and can honestly say I will never
use Frontpage again, even if it was free. Dreamweaver produces pages that
work in Netscape as well as they do in IE. You would think Frontpage would
do that too, but it uses too many of those IE specific HTML commands. A
classic that caught me out was the MARGIN command in Frontpage. I did a
lovely page with a border background and in IE the page looked great, posted
it and only after checking with Netscape a few months later did I discover
that the print on the page simply wrote over the border background.
If of course you actually enjoy writing HTML ( I do not ) then you can't go
past Homesite.
Michael
> >
> Thanks Lindsay. The thought crossed my mind today while I was away
> from my computer that the html extension on index.html may have been
> truncated, and that is what has happened. I have just started using
> Frontpage 2000 as my main html editor, and Mr Gates, in his great
> wisdom, automatically converts htm extensions to html. Now, to find
> where the default settings can be changed.......
>
> Laurier
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Davis weather instruments
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Davis have a package advertised on the back of Weather Watch magazine called
Weather Bureau. It seems rather complete and is at a cheaper price than
buying the instruments individualy, does Solar Flair have these ?
Thanks
Michael
> On my way to the dentist yesterday afternoon, I visited Solar Flair, a
> company that distributes Davis weather instruments like the Weather Wizard
> III. I'm trying to negotiate a deal with them to get ASWA members (and
BTW
> he's interested in joining ASWA!!) a reasonable discount (between 5 &
> 10%!!!!). They are happy to send equipment all over Australia ($10 per
> delivery) and all goods are in regular supply.
>
> If you have been wanting any 'weather watching equipment' and might be
> interested in purchasing something for a heck of a lot less than you can
get
> elsewhere like Dick Smith - please let me know by emailing me at
> cadence at rubix.net.au so I can give them some figures to work with. The
more
> interest we generate, the greater the possible discount for all of us.
>
> If you'd like to see the range of equipment that is available from Solar
> Flair, please visit the Davis site
> http://www.davisnet.com/products/weather.htm
>
>
> Jane
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Jane ONeill
> ASWA - Victoria
> Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Storm
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:56:31 +1100
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Currently there is a storm just east of the city and moving
ESE. Fine here in Kilsyth after 10.6mm to 9am. My lightning dectector is picking
up some activity from this storm. Dane.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW Severe Storms Likely...
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I would like to be in the Moree area this afternoon, can we charter a flight
? . The CAPE is due to get towards 3000 later this afternoon and LI will be
modest at -8 , there is also the chance of thunder around Newcastle if the
models ring true. Of course Wollongong is on the boundary of the action.
However........it was not anticipated that the sun would come out today in
this area, at present we have some thin and patchy Cu with 600m bases and no
junk above that I can see, this may burn off shortly and get some convection
going around the Central Tablelands and Southern Highlands. So I do not
think it is a lost cause, certainly not supercell territory, go to Moree for
that.
Update .. the sun is out and heating !!!!
Michael
> Looks like NE NSW is the place to be - although even the further S may be
> good today. Strong upper level jet over the N witha surface low in the
> S. Plenty of moisture...
> - Paul G.
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 00:13:55 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Michael Thompson wrote:
> I would like to be in the Moree area this afternoon, can we charter a flight
> ?
Keep the reports coming everyone - I'm gonna stay up and watch this one happen!
Les(UK)
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From: "Andrew McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Squall line
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:22:03 +1100
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Morning all
An somewhat unexpected development theis morning hrere in melbourne. Very
nice thunderstorm developed right on the city and reached pink on radar.
Development was explosive to say the least and storm tops reached about
27000ft. Plenty of moisture around still - hopefully we get a little more
heating for some more action. Also interesting to note was the melbounre
web cam caught a CG - YEP - a CG on the web cam. MSC will have it up very
soon so watch for it.
Macca
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Storm
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:42:08 +1100
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Just caught the northern end of the line here in Kilsyth, some
brief heavy rain and some loud thunder. Dane.
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From: "Max King" [mnk at dingoblue.net.au]
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Hi People
Max from Sydney here,
It's just starting to fire up over the Blue Mtns, about 80 km's West of
Sydney
A report just in for Dann of quite heavy rain in his area. (12.15pm).
Showing yellow on Radar.
Max
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>
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> > I would like to be in the Moree area this afternoon, can we charter a
flight
> > ?
>
> Keep the reports coming everyone - I'm gonna stay up and watch this one
happen!
>
> Les(UK)
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW Severe Storms Likely...
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:19:26 +1100
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Hi Les
It's started
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1159 on Saturday the 6th of November 1999
This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
North West Slopes and Plains
Central West Slopes and Plains near and north of the Mitchell Highway
Central Tablelands north of Hill End
Upper Western near and east of the Mitchell Highway
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Showers now in the Illawarra deom weakish Cu, may develop further.
Michael
>
> Keep the reports coming everyone - I'm gonna stay up and watch this one
happen!
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 12:23:58 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Andrew, Everyone..
I saved these images Andrew is talking about and i have put them up on
some webspace for everyone to look at.. What are the odds on a webcam
catching a CG?
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/otherstates/vic/06-11-99/melbournecam/camimages.htm
Scattered showers and storms currently developing over NE VIC, NSW and
southern QLD.. If we're lucky we might pick up some showers/rain periods
and some thunder here in Brisbane tonight.. Tomorrow and the first half
of next week could be a different story..
The models are looking quite interesting for next week with a number of
them tipping another low pressure system in QLD and NSW during the first
half of the week.. they have only just picked it up in the last 24-36
hours so it'll be interesting to see how things pan out..
The ECMWF model is also forecasting a general area of cold air in the
upper levels over southern central and SE Australia next week.. even
though there is a high in the bight after Monday, this is very very
interesting.. and i think it could lead to yet another major system for
the eastern states later next week..
Andrew McDonald wrote:
>
> Morning all
>
> An somewhat unexpected development theis morning hrere in melbourne. Very
> nice thunderstorm developed right on the city and reached pink on radar.
> Development was explosive to say the least and storm tops reached about
> 27000ft. Plenty of moisture around still - hopefully we get a little more
> heating for some more action. Also interesting to note was the melbounre
> web cam caught a CG - YEP - a CG on the web cam. MSC will have it up very
> soon so watch for it.
>
> Macca
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 14:47:02 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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I would like to get a wind speed and directon recorder that plugs
straight into the computer but price will determine how soon, as well as
how safe I can keep it from lightning...
Jane ONeill wrote:
>
> On my way to the dentist yesterday afternoon, I visited Solar Flair, a
> company that distributes Davis weather instruments like the Weather Wizard
> III. I'm trying to negotiate a deal with them to get ASWA members (and BTW
> he's interested in joining ASWA!!) a reasonable discount (between 5 &
> 10%!!!!). They are happy to send equipment all over Australia ($10 per
> delivery) and all goods are in regular supply.
>
> If you have been wanting any 'weather watching equipment' and might be
> interested in purchasing something for a heck of a lot less than you can get
> elsewhere like Dick Smith - please let me know by emailing me at
> cadence at rubix.net.au so I can give them some figures to work with. The more
> interest we generate, the greater the possible discount for all of us.
>
> If you'd like to see the range of equipment that is available from Solar
> Flair, please visit the Davis site
> http://www.davisnet.com/products/weather.htm
>
> Jane
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Paul Graham on a chase near Dungong called to report "nothing special" just
light rain as decaying cells drift across his vantage point. On the radar it
seems the stronger storms are still west of the ranges,
MH
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Att Michael Fewings Grafton Broad Scale down
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Hiya mate....the grafon broad scale has been down for ages.....it gives me
this javascript message error....
radardispbs is not defined.
Cheers Halden......ps we have a band of severe stuff brewing to the west of
us at moment
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:28:36 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar discussion?
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Michael and all:
Michael wrote:
> An interesting point you touch on here Anthony. One thing that occurs
> frequently in Wollongong can be very heavy drizzle. At times the cloud
base
> is only 200m. The drizzle can occasionally get thick enough that several
mm
> can fall over a couple of hours. Very often this is the only
precipitation
> occurring within NSW. The radar does a dreadful job of picking it up at
all
> on some occasions.
In response to Anthony's comment:
> > Given that the original question (back in April) was related to why
> > coastal showers, that give the same, if not higher precip rates as
> > thunderstorms do, do not show up with as high precip rates on radar.
> > >From what you've written here, I was given the impression
(essentially)
> > that lots of small drops, will have the same reflectivity as one large
> > drop.
Have I confused some? Let me try to clear this up. At the risk of
overstating, or confusing, it is not the number of drops that dominate
reflectivity but the diameter that dominates. The larger the drops the
more efficient they are as radar microwave scatterers. The smaller they
are, the less efficient they are as scatterers. It does not require many
large drops to create Z values that can be represented on radar as high
values. Remember that the diameter of the drops dominates because it is
D^6, or D raised to the 6th power.
Now, when those drops are small and despite D^6, the very small diameters
will still produce small reflectivity values. Thus, even though there may
be many, many, drizzle droplets (a very large number, N), they are small
and because D is small the reflectivity is relatively weak. A very small
D, even when raised to the 6th power, is still small.
Now, at the risk of confusion, one factor I have not mentioned here yet, is
that as the droplet diameters get very, very, small, they become much,
much, smaller than the wavelength of the radar and thus become much less
effective in scattering the microwaves. For instance, clouds are composed
of immense quantities of extremely small water drops, but they are
essentially invisible to all but very short (mm) wavelength radars.
Does this help?
Les
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Hello Wetherites.....
I reply with great interest re northern NSW action....
I have been watching the skies since 5am from Evans Head at the local
Coastguard tower (i did a radio shift from 5am to midday) and it has been
interesting. There has been much mid level mamatified stratus all day fed by
a strong nne wind on the coast.....while it looked inmpressive it appears
that it could turn into a rain event here overnight. The wind currently has
shifted to the NW and the cloud cover is back after a few breaks. I do not
anticipate any severe activity east of the ranges this afternoon. I note
there is a small cell of activity around Stanthorpe....a mate just called me
from there.....will keep you posted but I think it is all over rover....
Halden
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: aus-wx: Weekend rain event
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 07:57:31 GMT
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I've placed detailed synoptic charts for yesterday and today
accessible from my homepage. The rainfall pattern is unusual.
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:50:39 +1100
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone
Light rain started at 7am and has not stopped, now 9pm, only 10mm since
9am.
Showers forecast with strong winds the next couple of days.
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:46:39 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
Tomorrow is looking very fine line, with the trough coming through a bit
earlier (late morning/midday) than one would like. The cloud should
clear out by tomorrow though, so there should be a fair amount of
surface heating. We've already had a few mm of rain so far tonight, and
there's a line of t'storms to the SW of Brisbane at the moment, but it's
also embedded in a rain band. We should hopefully see a bit of
lightning around later tonight, and hopefully soon (those with a clear
view to the SW might already be able to see some). It is fluctuating in
intensity a fair bit though, hopefully it won't collapse into rain by
the time it makes it here.
Anyway - AVN 00z Nov 6 LI/CAPE forecasts are yet to come out, but
Brisbane forecast 06z Skew-t for tomorrow is looking very
interesting...by plotting 26C/21C (1000mb) onto it, LI's are around -8
or so. CAPE is into the 2000's. With a fair N'ly expected tomorrow,
the DP could actually increase, and the forecast temp is 28C. So there
is certainly a good potential tomorrow, the jet is quite good too, only
it's not backing with height much (predominantly SW/W) but 100-105kn at
250mb according to AVN, and quite divergent too. We're just on the
southern edge of the jet 'max' - which is my prefered position. Some
cold air around upstairs too...-13C at 500mb at 06z (4pm) tomorrow, which
is fairly cold for us at this time of year. 500-700mb Delta-T is 18C,
which isn't a bad lapse rate! Some 20C Delta-T's further well west of
Brisbane.
The timing of this trough is critical though - so we'll just have to see
what happens. But the probability of something good happening, is
directly proportional to the amount of important work/study you have to
do. So if you take that into account, it'll all happen here tomorrow
according to Murphy!!!
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Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
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