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001 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
002 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
003 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
004 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Re: TC's colliding.
005 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
006 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
007 Carl Smith [carls at ace-net.com.au] TC's JOHN and ILSA map animations updated
008 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Nine network anals & progs
009 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] TC's ILSA
010 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] ASWA International
011 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
012 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] C's
013 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Latest on TC John
014 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au TC John Eye passing Coast now!
015 Patrick_Tobin at ama.com.au Storms in Sthn NSW/ACT
016 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Latest on TC John
017 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au TC John has made land...........
018 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Double Whammy for Pilbara Coast?
019 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Cat 4 TC John moving towards our area
020 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Nine network anals & progs
021 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] TC John has made land...........
022 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Re: ASWA Membership for International members (was) Re:
023 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] TC John has made land...........
024 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] TC John and the BBC
025 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Sydney Storms
026 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Guyra info wanted
027 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Storms in Sthn NSW/ACT
028 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] TC John has made land...........
029 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au TC John has made land...........
030 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au BOM Computer.........
031 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] BOM Computer.........
032 Jonty Hall [jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au] Re: TC's colliding.
033 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au Dampier Radar now gone.........
034 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Guyra info wanted
035 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au BOM Computer........& Nice storms near East Sale
036 "Willis, Andrew" [adwillis at bechtel.com] Guyra info wanted
037 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Weakening STC John
038 Ben Munro [benjamin at biosys.net] Guyra info wanted
039 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Guyra info wanted
040 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Nine network satpics
041 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Congestus Building In Melbourne
042 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Ilsa
043 Dean S [deansgar at alphalink.com.au] Congestus Building In Melbourne
044 Patrick_Tobin at ama.com.au Canberra storms
045 "David Croan" [wxbustchase at hotmail.com] NSW STA
046 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Storms
047 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au TC John & Video footage
048 "Willis, Andrew" [adwillis at bechtel.com] Weather Instruments
049 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Dew Points
050 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au Weather Instruments
051 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Weather Instruments
052 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] Guyra info wanted
053 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Nine network anals & progs
054 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Ilsa
055 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] TC John has made land...........
056 "Willis, Andrew" [adwillis at bechtel.com] Guyra info wanted
057 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Nine network anals & progs
058 Jonty Hall [jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au] Nine network anals & progs
059 "Halden Boyd" [haldenboyd at hotmail.com] Ilsa and the ABC Influence
060 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] ThunderDownUnder'99 pics
061 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Nine network anals & progs
062 "Halden Boyd" [haldenboyd at hotmail.com] Ilsa and second influence
063 astroman [astroman at chariot.net.au] ThunderDownUnder'99 pics
064 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Nine network anals & progs
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001
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:39:59 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
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All:
Are there radars near Karratha? Does anyone have a URL for radar imagery
or loops for John?
Thanks,
Les
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:58:05 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Les,
"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
>
> All:
>
> Are there radars near Karratha? Does anyone have a URL for radar imagery
> or loops for John?
Yep - there are 3 radars there that are picking up John, but Dampier
(20km from Karratha), and Port Hedland are the main ones.
Unfortunately, they're not updating very frequently tonight (!!!!!!)
Unfortunately also - free radar imagery is only something you can dream
of here in Australia. Although ASWA members are given full access to
the BoM's web radar.
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Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
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QLD, 4153
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:32 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Are there radars near Karratha? Does anyone have a URL for radar imagery
> > or loops for John?
You'll have to become a member of ASWA International to access Ozzie radar.....
Jane O'Neill
will subscribe you "nae bother" as they say in Scotland.... its worth it for
the radar alone!!
Les(UK)
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:31:44 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Phil Bagust wrote:
> >Hi All.
> >
> >If 2 TC's tried to collide
Although not knowledgeable about the physics involved, when two areas of low
pressure collide one of two things happen:
the smaller one rotates around the larger one "dumbell fashion" and eventually
it dissapates
*or*
the smaller one is absorbed by the larger one which continues on its way
unchanged.
This is from my experience with Atlantic weather.
Presumably with TCs the same thing happens....?
Has it actually happened at any time -?
BTW looking at the radar is the SW quadrant most active / dangerous (as the
radar seems to indicate) or the NE quadrant?
Les(UK)
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:45:44 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
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Anthony:
Thank you very much for this information. I have just now learned from
another that this information is not free. I would like very much to pay
whom ever I should to gain access to the images and loops. From what I
understand then, I need to pay annual ASWA dues. What are those dues in US
currency? Will a check written on an American bank be accepted?
Thank you again for replying,
Les
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:32:35 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> Anthony:
>
> Thank you very much for this information.
My hapenny's worth -
I did it by credit card - worth every penny of it, taking advantage of the
favourable exchange rate between the UK pound and the Pacific Peso...
Unfortunately if you do it by check (: you'll be charged more than the
membership for clearing it....
Les(UK)
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:32:38 +1000
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From: Carl Smith [carls at ace-net.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: TC's JOHN and ILSA map animations updated
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Hi All.
Adapted from the BoM information, SEVERE TC JOHN with winds gusting to 290
km/hr near the centre is now impacting on the coast with increasingly
destructive winds from around Port Hedland to Dampier.
The winds are likely to increase steadily during the morning as JOHN moves
South towards the coast.
Looks like Wednesday morning could see very destructive winds perhaps
gusting up to 290 km/hr along part of the Pilbara coast, especially in the
Karratha to Whim Creek area, depending on future movement.
The 25 nm eye may pass directly over Roebourne sometime around 9 - 10 am
AWST (UT +8 hrs) if present trends continue.
Please refer to the official BoM information if you live in or near the
areas affected - in the near future, updates are now hourly as the threat
increases.
The number of frames has been reduced to 9 (48 hours) in both animations.
Full versions will be made available in a TC archive after the event.
Frame #13 has been added to the SEVERE TC JOHN Cat 5 map animation are
on-line at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/John.htm.
Frame #16 has been added to the TC ISLA Cat 1 map animation at
http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/Ilsa.htm.
Both animations are also accessable near the top of my Current Cyclone
Information page at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm alongside
the links to the TC information from BoM and JTWC.
Regards,
Carl.
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Carl Smith.
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia.
carls at ace-net.com.au
Cyclone Tracking Maps Website:
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
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Rod
Channel 9 obtain their charts from a NZ Met company.
MH
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>From: "Rod Aikman"
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 1:07 PM
>
> I have a question that may be someone can answer: where does the Nine TV
> network obtain their forecasts, satelite images, analysis, and prognostic
> charts? The reason I ask this question is because I was watching the weather
> report at the end of the 6.30 pm news bulletin this evening, and the
> prognostic time lapse chart showed a developing warm front over Victoria
> during the next 24 hours. Such a scenario seems rather unlikely considering
> the present synoptic situation; and none of the BoM charts indicate any such
> development in the next 24 hours.
> Rod Aikman,
> Bendigo, Vic.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:25:48 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Les,
"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
>
> Anthony:
>
> Thank you very much for this information. I have just now learned from
> another that this information is not free. I would like very much to pay
> whom ever I should to gain access to the images and loops. From what I
> understand then, I need to pay annual ASWA dues. What are those dues in US
> currency? Will a check written on an American bank be accepted?
For international members, membership fees are $40/yr. This includes
radar access/ASWA benefits and 4 issues of Storm News posted out
quarterly. If you ever move to Australia, that decreases to $30/yr :)
According to the newspaper this morning, $40AU equates to approximately
$US25-$US26, with our weaker currency working in your favour.
Not sure on the cheque from a US bank - I'll wait until our Treasurer
answers that one, currently our treasurer is rather ill at the moment,
with a very bad fever/bug. So he may not reply for a few days, unless
he's feeling better.
Hope this helps you Les! It'd be an absolute honour to have some one of
your credentials, talent and experience joining ASWA! :)
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Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
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QLD, 4153
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:20:57 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> >
> > Anthony:
> >
> > Thank you very much for this information.
> For international members, membership fees are $40/yr. This includes
> radar access/ASWA benefits and 4 issues of Storm News posted out
> quarterly. If you ever move to Australia, that decreases to $30/yr :)
I Wish!!! (:
>
>
> According to the newspaper this morning, $40AU equates to approximately
> $US25-$US26, with our weaker currency working in your favour.
>
> Not sure on the cheque from a US bank
We did all the homework re this - direct transfer and Internet banking was going
to cost us more than the membership! Anyhow ASWA doesn't have a secure
transaction facility ):
> Hope this helps you Les! It'd be an absolute honour to have some one of
> your credentials, talent and experience joining ASWA! :)
Yeah, hear hear. Next step the Met Office and the BoM??? - outlaw
"mini-tornadoes" ((:
Les(UK)
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:21:16 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: ASWA Membership for International members (was) Re: aus-wx:
TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
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Anthony:
I am flattered that you would say those nice things about me. I have been
in the business a little longer is all. I do plan to use a credit card.
Les(UK) suggested that I use a credit card. That I will do and will send
it to Jane, as I understand the procedure.
Thanks for all your help.
les
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"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> Anthony:
>
> I am flattered that you would say those nice things about me. I have been
> in the business a little longer is all. I do plan to use a credit card.
Ask her for a teeshirt at the same time - make friends and influence someone
with an ASWA tee
Les
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:28:26 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
Well a few of us in IRC have attempted an "all nighter" - but I think
almost all (maybe all?) failed - with everyone getting at least 2-3hrs
sleep. None the less, it's been a very interesting night watching TC
John on radar.
Currently, the outer edge of the eye wall is just crossing the coast
about 20km NW of Whim Creek. It's still moving relatively slowly,
around 10km/h, so Whim Creek could be in the thick of it for quite a
while! TC John began to change direction too, taking a more S'ly track
as it neared the coast. Currently it's travelling SSE - it appears our
friends in Karratha should be fairly safe now!
OSEI has uploaded some more imagery to their site, check out the
following:
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/TRCjohn348A_GM.jpg (726k)
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/TRCjohn348B_GM.jpg (460k)
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/TRCjohn348_N4.jpg (526k)
And for an AVI image of John:
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/TRCjohn348_GM.avi (593k)
Some more truly spectacular images there! GMSC has also been showing up
John well, certainly very "perfect" and beautiful. It's almost hard to
believe that something so beautiful, awesome and majestic could
potentially be so destructive...
--
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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Subject: aus-wx: TC John Eye passing Coast now!
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:05:54 +0930
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Have a look at the Radar people - TC John is just about to make landfall
looking very ominus!!
Great radar imagery - not good for those underneath though - passing just to
the South of Whim Creek - Wonder where Karrathra is under all that>??
Paul.
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A group of active storms is visible to the west of Canberra (radar
shows activity around Wagga). Already some of the tops are overshooting.
This is not something often seen at 9.30am in the absence of a front.
All I can say, based on what I can see at the moment, is that today
would be a perfect chase day on the South West Slopes/Southern
Tablelands (as well as the South Coast according to the models)
for any ASWA members wishing to see some good storms.
Patrick
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Latest on TC John
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>
> Hi all,
>
> Well a few of us in IRC have attempted an "all nighter" - but I think
> almost all (maybe all?) failed - with everyone getting at least 2-3hrs
> sleep. None the less, it's been a very interesting night watching TC
> John on radar.
>
> Currently, the outer edge of the eye wall is just crossing the coast
> about 20km NW of Whim Creek. It's still moving relatively slowly,
> around 10km/h, so Whim Creek could be in the thick of it for quite a
> while! TC John began to change direction too, taking a more S'ly track
> as it neared the coast. Currently it's travelling SSE - it appears our
> friends in Karratha should be fairly safe now!
>
Most recent METARs (around 0630 local time) have gusts of 59 knots
in Port Hedland, 61 in Karratha. I don't think there's much at Whim
Creek. The storm surge is a major threat on the eastern side - but
again looks like affecting an unpopulated area (although Port Hedland
could be in a spot of bother if the track goes much further east).
As far as I know there are no instruments between Roebourne and Port
Hedland (and I'm not altogether certain there's an anemometer at
Roebourne), so the Australian wind speed record is probably safe.
Blair Trewin
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Subject: aus-wx: TC John has made land...........
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:32:37 +0930
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Have a look at Local Scale radar for Port Headland - TC John is giving whim
creek a real hiding.... hope everyone is ok.
Great radar pics though.....
Paul.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:50:49 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
I hate to take away the focus of TC John - but TC Ilsa is beginning to
take up a nicer shape at the moment on sat pics, intensifying somewhat.
JTWC models have this continuing to strengthen, with gusts to 90kn and
curving towards the Pilbara coast in the next couple of days!!! Given
the models, if this does happen, TC Ilsa would have the potential to
become a Cat 3/4 TC - a Cat 5 TC might be too much to ask for given that
the waters would have been disturbed/mixed by John.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:56:42 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Hi all. They are good. At least I can see them today!
Anthony Cornelius wrote on Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:22:46 +1000:
>
> Their latest image is at:
> http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Tropical/IndOcean/TRCjohn347_GM.jpg
>
> Their site is at: http://www.osei.noaa.gov/
Link to their current archive for clicking is;
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/
Pics are processed from various satellite sources. The
filename gives away the true source;
G8 - GOES-8
G10- GOES-10
GM - GMS
MT - METEOSAT
N2 - NOAA-12 (AVHRR)
N4 - NOAA-14 (AVHRR)
N5 - NOAA-15 (AVHRR)
So the one direct link above is from GMS5 visual spectra
which has a raw source resolution of 1.25km right under
the "bird". We too, could get this stuff raw with the
right gear, but it is only visual. GMS5-IR is nominally
5km resolution.
OSEI's and NOAA's choice pic of the day is;
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/TRCjohn348_N4.jpg
Notice that this one is a composite made from several
passes of the NOAA-14 polar orbiting satellite. Mean bit
of bitmap processing to move the image around so that it
looks better. I think NOAA-14 can resolve mesoscale stuff,
that is, scale of around a hundred metres.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:19:06 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Mark Hardy wrote:
>
> Rod
> Channel 9 obtain their charts from a NZ Met company.
> MH
So that's the trouble with out-sourcing weather (forecasts)...
Needs a bit of local input to clean out the crap...Do most
people agree?
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC John has made land...........
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>
> Have a look at Local Scale radar for Port Headland - TC John is giving whim
> creek a real hiding.... hope everyone is ok.
>
> Great radar pics though.....
>
Does anyone know how big Whim Creek actually is? - is it a population
centre of any size, or just a homestead/truckstop? (it certainly
doesn't rate a mention in any of the references I was checking for
population size).
The gusts at Port Hedland and Karratha are still holding around the
60-knot mark, and pressures are rising very slightly. Roebourne will
be the interesting one. They were reporting mean winds of 126 km/h
(68 knots) at 0300 local time, but didn't report at 0600 - hopefully
that means comms problems and not that the observation wasn't made
(or that the instrument has failed), although I guess you can't
ask that much of a manually reporting station (especially if it's
potentially in a storm surge zone). Roebourne is, I believe, one of
the older towns on the coast, so I wonder if its construction standards
are quite up to those of, say, Karratha or Exmouth? (remembering that
Exmouth came through Vance relatively lightly for a cat-5, with no
loss of life and most buildings surviving).
Thinking longer-term, it's probably a little too late for any of the
moisture from John to end up being fed into the system that will be
crossing SE Australia tomorrow.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:32:02 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Re: ASWA Membership for International members (was) Re:
aus-wx:TC's ILSA and JOHN animations updated.
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Les:
>Ask her for a teeshirt at the same time - make friends and influence
someone
with an ASWA tee <
I will tell her you told me so!!! [S}
Les
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC John has made land...........
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> The gusts at Port Hedland and Karratha are still holding around the
> 60-knot mark, and pressures are rising very slightly. Roebourne will
> be the interesting one. They were reporting mean winds of 126 km/h
> (68 knots) at 0300 local time, but didn't report at 0600 - hopefully
> that means comms problems and not that the observation wasn't made
> (or that the instrument has failed), although I guess you can't
> ask that much of a manually reporting station (especially if it's
> potentially in a storm surge zone). Roebourne is, I believe, one of
> the older towns on the coast, so I wonder if its construction standards
> are quite up to those of, say, Karratha or Exmouth? (remembering that
> Exmouth came through Vance relatively lightly for a cat-5, with no
> loss of life and most buildings surviving).
Just checked the station file - the site is about 15km inland and 13
metres above sea level, so it's not about to get hit by a storm surge.
I could, however, find no reference to a wind speed instrument - which
means that the reported wind speeds are probably estimates.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:44:00 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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TC John finally made the BBC news & weather tonite - Port Headland taking a
hammering.
Les(UK)
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A few cells are popping up on the ranges, with congestus all over the place
out west, about a strike a minute on AM radio...
Ill chase in an hour or so if i can get away from this web page stuff im
doing for my boss, Greg Browning is comming over so ill we will more than
likely go out i think... i havent checked the models, but hopefully the
upper level winds are OK to take the storms off the ranges..
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:50:27 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Does anyone know of the altitude of Guyra, that town between Armidale
and Glen Innes? Do they get much snow there? What are the typical
maximums and minimums in this area over winter?
I'm gradually building up a file on towns over 1000 metres in Australia.
Any other contributions would be most welcome. I'm pretty well aquainted
with the places in my local area, ie: the Blue Mountains and its
surrounds.
Thanks,
Lindsay Pearce
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storms in Sthn NSW/ACT
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There are storms visible to the west of the Illawarra too, perhaps Goulburn,
but some congestus even on central tablelands, unless the lapse rate is
crushed by these early ones today will be good.
Michael
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>
>
> A group of active storms is visible to the west of Canberra (radar
> shows activity around Wagga). Already some of the tops are overshooting.
> This is not something often seen at 9.30am in the absence of a front.
>
> All I can say, based on what I can see at the moment, is that today
> would be a perfect chase day on the South West Slopes/Southern
> Tablelands (as well as the South Coast according to the models)
> for any ASWA members wishing to see some good storms.
>
> Patrick
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:03:10 -0800
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Blair,
Don't quote me as an authority but I think Whim Creek (sp?)is basically
a pub and thats it. That's according to a guy on the phone speaking to
2BL ABC radio this morning (wednesday 11am) Anyone else got a better
idea?
Lindsay Pearce
Blair Trewin wrote:
>
> >
> > Have a look at Local Scale radar for Port Headland - TC John is giving whim
> > creek a real hiding.... hope everyone is ok.
> >
> > Great radar pics though.....
> >
> Does anyone know how big Whim Creek actually is? - is it a population
> centre of any size, or just a homestead/truckstop? (it certainly
> doesn't rate a mention in any of the references I was checking for
> population size).
>
> The gusts at Port Hedland and Karratha are still holding around the
> 60-knot mark, and pressures are rising very slightly. Roebourne will
> be the interesting one. They were reporting mean winds of 126 km/h
> (68 knots) at 0300 local time, but didn't report at 0600 - hopefully
> that means comms problems and not that the observation wasn't made
> (or that the instrument has failed), although I guess you can't
> ask that much of a manually reporting station (especially if it's
> potentially in a storm surge zone). Roebourne is, I believe, one of
> the older towns on the coast, so I wonder if its construction standards
> are quite up to those of, say, Karratha or Exmouth? (remembering that
> Exmouth came through Vance relatively lightly for a cat-5, with no
> loss of life and most buildings surviving).
>
> Thinking longer-term, it's probably a little too late for any of the
> moisture from John to end up being fed into the system that will be
> crossing SE Australia tomorrow.
>
> Blair Trewin
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From: Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC John has made land...........
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This is on the ABC news page - the only thing at whim creek is a hotel and
tghey are in a sea container sitting it out!! hehehehe would be bloody noisey.
"One of the most powerful cyclones ever recorded crossing into mainland
Australia is bearing down on Western Australia's Pilbara coast.
Residents in nearby towns are starting to see Cyclone John in all its fury.
As the eyewall of the cyclone hits the coast about 120 kilometres north east of
Karratha, winds gusting well above 100 kilometres an hour are beginning to be
felt from Port Hedland to Dampier.
There have been intermittent power blackouts at most communities and hundreds
of locals are weathering the storm at several evacuation centres.
Roebourne Shire's senior ranger, Mike Ellerton, says wind and rain have
intesified around his home at Wickham.
"We've got some light now so we can have a bit of a look around through the
windows and that," he said.
"It was noticed that there's fences down, there's trees down.
"From what I can see, there's certainly damage."
The State Emergency Service says it has had no reports of damage so far but
callers have told the ABC of roofs lifting, trees uprooted and one vehicle
being crushed by falling debris.
Trevor Bartlett from the SES in Roebourne has described the weather in the area
as terrible.
"We're in the ambulance-SES building in Roebourne," he said.
"The wind and rain have been horrendous overnight. The building is - even
though it's fairly new - is leaking from the force of the rain.
"We haven't had much sleep because of the horrendous noise. They say it's like
an express train but it's a lot worse."
Roar
Mr Bartlett says he expects to find massive damage when the red alert is lifted
and people are allowed out of their houses.
He says it is feared the full force of the cyclone is still to come as the rain
and wind continue to intensify.
"It's my very first cyclone and I didn't realise what it was like," he said.
"I heard it was like an express train. It's more like standing next to a 747
jumbo jet on full ball, when it's taking off.
"[It's] just a horrendous roar which comes from nowhere and then it goes quiet
for a few seconds and then there's a loud, almost like a huge rifle explosion
and then it starts all over again - you just can't describe it."
The centre of the cyclone is encroaching upon Whim Creek, where the only
structure is a hotel and locals and guests are believed to be seeing out the
cyclone in a sea container.
The Bureau of Meteorology says the storm surge is now likely to occur in an
unpopulated area south of Port Hedland.
Seas
Tides are expected to reach up to seven metres and Bill McDonald, a deckhand on
a tug boat off the Dampier coast, says they already hit three meters overnight.
Mr McDonald says they are the roughest conditions he has seen in the area.
"I could see the white water over the top of Legendre Island, that was huge,"
he said.
"The seas outside would be tremendous at the moment."
Senior ranger in the Roebourne Shire, Mike Ellerton, says it was a nervous
night with extreme rainfall and howling winds.
He says he hopes the worst is over.
"The kids actually spelt for most of the night," he said.
"It was fairly rough during the night but I've been up for most of it, myself,
just keeping an eye on things and making sure that everything is going okay
within the house.
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Subject: aus-wx: BOM Computer.........
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Blair - or anyone - have you heard of the resaon why the BOM access is so slow
again? Are there any major problems?
Paul.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM Computer.........
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>
> Blair - or anyone - have you heard of the resaon why the BOM access is so slow
> again? Are there any major problems?
>
> Paul.
Don't know specifically, but I wouldn't mind betting that it's high
demand due to TC John (and a Total Fire Ban day in Victoria). It's
slow from in here too, whereas accessing external sites from here
is not abnormally slow, so I think the hold-up must be at the webserver
itself, not in the communications links (unlike last week).
Dampier radar also hadn't been updated since 0000 UTC last time I
looked, presumably because of power or comms problems.
Blair
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:39:31 -1100 (DST)
From: Jonty Hall [jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au]
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Hi Les,
Actually, the most dangerous quadrant is better described using storm
based coordinates, and it is (usually) the left front quadrant for
southern hemisphere TCs. This is almost always the case for intense and
highly organised TCs like John (the effect also depends on the forward
motion of the system).
So in this case, with a cyclone moving more or less southwards, it is
actually the SE quadrant that contains the worst weather. You might notice
from the imagery that the echos seem to be stronger over the SE portion,
around the Whim Creek area. Some of that may be due to the radar itself,
but it is also due to the increased frictional drag on the moist airstream
over land - that causes convergence and enhanced convection in that part
of the eyewall.
Cheers,
Jonty.
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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Les Crossan wrote:
>
>
> Phil Bagust wrote:
>
> > >Hi All.
> > >
> > >If 2 TC's tried to collide
>
> Although not knowledgeable about the physics involved, when two areas of low
> pressure collide one of two things happen:
>
> the smaller one rotates around the larger one "dumbell fashion" and eventually
> it dissapates
>
> *or*
>
> the smaller one is absorbed by the larger one which continues on its way
> unchanged.
>
> This is from my experience with Atlantic weather.
>
> Presumably with TCs the same thing happens....?
>
> Has it actually happened at any time -?
>
> BTW looking at the radar is the SW quadrant most active / dangerous (as the
> radar seems to indicate) or the NE quadrant?
>
> Les(UK)
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From: Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au
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Subject: aus-wx: Dampier Radar now gone.........
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:13:26 +0930
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Dampier radar now seems gone..........either through power loss (i hope) or
something worse...........
Port Headland still going strong - whim creek in the middle of the eye at the
moment - hope those in the sea container are not deceived thinking the worst is
over otherwise they will be caught out big time................
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:45:31 +1100
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of the altitude of Guyra, that town between Armidale
> and Glen Innes? Do they get much snow there? What are the typical
> maximums and minimums in this area over winter?
Lindsay,
Check out the BoM Climate stuff. Guyra is there. Here are
the stations;
Number Name Long Lat Elevation
---------------------------------------------------------
056016 GUYRA POST OFFICE 151.67 -30.22 1325.0
056161 GUYRA (GOWAN BRAE) 151.88 -30.16 1325.0
056229 GUYRA HOSPITAL 151.68 -30.21 1332.0
>From my knowledge, Guyra gets less snow than parts of
the Central Tablelands but it probably gets the most
for that part of the Northern Tablelands outside of
Ben Loman(?) and of course Mt Barrington further to
the South-East.
If you want a list of all Australian BoM stations
sorted by Elevation, let me know in return E-Mail
and specify the altitude cut-off remembering that
1000m will exclude many that are around 980m. I'd
suggest a cut-off of about 900m instead.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM Computer........& Nice storms near East Sale
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Thanx Blair - as usual a wealth on information!
Nice storms on Radar atm near East Sale - some into pink.
Paul.
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Guyra info wanted
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Guyra is about 1200 metres above sea level. Doesn't get a great deal of
snow lying on the ground, maybe once every two years or so. Winter max
would be about 10 degrees and minimum would be -7 to -10.
> Does anyone know of the altitude of Guyra, that town between Armidale
> and Glen Innes? Do they get much snow there? What are the typical
> maximums and minimums in this area over winter?
>
> I'm gradually building up a file on towns over 1000 metres in Australia.
> Any other contributions would be most welcome. I'm pretty well aquainted
> with the places in my local area, ie: the Blue Mountains and its
> surrounds.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lindsay Pearce
>
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Subject: aus-wx: Weakening STC John
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TROPICAL CYCLONE JOHN ADVICE NUMBER 27
Issued at 9:55 am WST on Wednesday, 15 December 1999
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
A WARNING for a SEVERE CATEGORY 4 TROPICAL CYCLONE is current for coastal
areas
between Pardoo and Mardie and inland to Pannawonica, Tom Price, Paraburdoo,
Newman and Jigalong.
At 10am WST SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE JOHN was located 115 kilometres
westsouthwest of Port Hedland and 90 kilometres eastsoutheast of Karratha and
moving southsoutheast at 15 kilometres per hour. The eye of the cyclone has
crossed the coast and is moving across Whim Creek.
Very destructive winds with gusts to 260 kilometres per hour are expected near
the cyclone centre but should gradually moderate. Very heavy rain will cause
flooding in the Fortescue and adjacent coastal streams.
Details of SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE JOHN at 10am WST.
Location of centre : Latitude 20.9 South Longitude 117.7 East.
Recent movement : southsoutheast at 15 kilometres per hour.
Central Pressure : 930 hPa.
Maximum wind gusts : 260 kilometres per hour near the centre.
Severity category : 4
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There is some info at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_056016.shtml
It has the altitude - 1325m and some averages
Ben Munro
At 09:50 14-12-99 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of the altitude of Guyra, that town between Armidale
>and Glen Innes? Do they get much snow there? What are the typical
>maximums and minimums in this area over winter?
>
>I'm gradually building up a file on towns over 1000 metres in Australia.
>Any other contributions would be most welcome. I'm pretty well aquainted
>with the places in my local area, ie: the Blue Mountains and its
>surrounds.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Lindsay Pearce
>
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Guyra info wanted
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:20:06 +1100
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Guyra PO is 1325m above sea level. Average Max in July is 10.2c, Ave Min is
minus 1.0c. I am not ceratin about snowfall frequency but I would say they
get at least one or two days of snow each year. Dane.
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Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 12:07 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Guyra info wanted
>Does anyone know of the altitude of Guyra, that town between Armidale
>and Glen Innes? Do they get much snow there? What are the typical
>maximums and minimums in this area over winter?
>
>I'm gradually building up a file on towns over 1000 metres in Australia.
>Any other contributions would be most welcome. I'm pretty well aquainted
>with the places in my local area, ie: the Blue Mountains and its
>surrounds.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Lindsay Pearce
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network satpics
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Yair, and bloody NBN (nine) Lismore always shows Saturdays satpics on their
Sunday night bulletin. Geez can't they afford an image or to check it? They
take viewers for fools. Every week they get it wrong.
A while back, Nine in Sydney showed the same loop for four nights and
mornings (on Monty Dwyers Today shows weather) and they would not believe
me even when I called them twice to point out the error.
MB
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>Hi Rod, everyone..
>
>I can't answer your question, but i've seen channel ten in Brisbane show
>a 2 day old satellite picture loop before! They were saying "mostly
>clear conditions prevailed over much of southern QLD" and the loop
>contained a stack of high topped thunderstorms over the SE quarter of
>Queensland.. Shockers..
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Congestus Building In Melbourne
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:34:44 +1100
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Nice Congestus building to the north and northeast
of the city at the moment. Currently radar is picking up storms in Gippsland.
Check out the Melbourne web cam,e-mail me or get me on ICQ No 40654108 and I
will take a pic with the digital camera and send it to you. Dane (Kilsyth)
Melbourne.
http://webcam.omni.net.au/
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Subject: aus-wx: Ilsa
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Triple J news just sait the "Joint Typhoon Warning Center" (JTWC) , thinks
that Ilsa will stregthen and threaten the pilbara coast next week... good
to see the radio stations doing there research, and not relying on BoM data
alone to inform the public (not that there is anything wrong with that :)
Weak storms continue on the ranges west of sydney, crackling on the AM
band.. hopefully something happens locally.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:35:58 +1000
From: Dean S [deansgar at alphalink.com.au]
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Yeah Dane,
I was in Scorsby about an hour ago and three distinct, very high
congestus appeared to be building over the lower Dandenongs area. One
appeared to have a very small pileus. Storms appear to be developing in
their earliest forms hey. Hopefully.
Dean AL Sgarbossa
Dane Newman wrote:
>
> Nice Congestus building to the north and northeast of the city at the moment. Currently radar is picking up storms in Gippsland. Check out the
Melbourne web ca
> http://webcam.omni.net.au/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Nice Congestus building to the north and northeast of the city at the
> moment. Currently radar is picking up storms in Gippsland. Check out
> the Melbourne web cam,e-mail me or get me on ICQ No 40654108 and I
> will take a pic with the digital camera and send it to you. Dane
> (Kilsyth) Melbourne.
> http://webcam.omni.net.au/
>
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We have had intermittent thunder for the last 2 hours with occasional bursts of
heavy rain (with an initial burst of small hail) from slow moving pulse cells.
This
pattern looks set to continue for the rest of the day.
The following STA has been issued for the Sth Coast/Illawarra
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1434 on Wednesday the 15th of December 1999
This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
South Coast and Illawarra
Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones, destructive
winds and localised very heavy rainfall.
and this for the Sydney people from the METARS
METAR TTF METAR YSSY 0330Z 03017KT CAVOK 26/14 Q1018
RMK RF00.0/000.0 CB TOPS WEST EXPECTED TO REMAIN
ON RANGES NOSIG
Patrick
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Sydney people go for a quick drive down south...remember the meeting tonite
though!
D.
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
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South Coast and Illawarra
Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Anvils appear to be pointing N/NE, I will also be chasing this afternoon, as
soon as my wife gets home from her works Xmas party.
Probably the Bowral area.
Michael
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> A few cells are popping up on the ranges, with congestus all over the
place
> out west, about a strike a minute on AM radio...
> Ill chase in an hour or so if i can get away from this web page stuff im
> doing for my boss, Greg Browning is comming over so ill we will more than
> likely go out i think... i havent checked the models, but hopefully the
> upper level winds are OK to take the storms off the ranges..
>
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From: Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au
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Subject: aus-wx: TC John & Video footage
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:03:05 +0930
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Howdy all. Go to the ABC's site and you will find some great video footage of
TC John impact at Karratha.
http://www.abc.com.au
Not bad stuff - shows the ferocity of what they are experiencing.
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From: "Willis, Andrew" [adwillis at bechtel.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Weather Instruments
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Can somebody give an idea of where to purchase some meteorological
instruments? Rain gauges, anemometers, etc...
Andrew Willis
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dew Points
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> Howdy all.
>
> 1. What does a really low DP mean?
> 2. What is the lowest DP people have seen?
>
> I just saw Alice Springs DP for today - it came in at minus 5. Just
> havnt seen that before..................
>
> Thanx. Paul.
Nothing particularly unusual about DPs of -5 at Alice Springs - it
would be at least a once-a-month occurrence, I would think.
Melbourne doesn't often get below 0, but I have seen -9. -30 or lower
is not unknown at the alpine sites, especially in winter and spring;
double-digit negatives also occasionally occur at sites on the
southern fringe of the desert, like Ceduna.
For upper-air observations the sky is the limit - and indeed in many
cases a DP cannot be calculated at higher levels because the moisture
levels (or lack thereof) are outside the instrument's tolerances
(this tends to happen at DPs below about -90).
Blair Trewin
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Andrew - Australian Geographic store at Charlestown has all you need.
Rgds, Paul
Darwin.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Willis, Andrew
Subject: aus-wx: Weather Instruments
> Can somebody give an idea of where to purchase some meteorological
> instruments? Rain gauges, anemometers, etc...
I promise to put up the details of Solar Flair and the discounts that are
available to ASWA members by the end of the weekend. Things have just been
a touch hectic since I came back from ThunderDownUnder99!!!
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"Ben Lomond" I think...
Having stopped at Guyra a few times in the middle of winter at 3:00am for
petrol, I can tell you that it is a f!$ at #*g cold place. Might not get much
snow, but it gets one hellofa lotta frost. I also made the mistake of
staying overnight in a "fibro" motel there once.
>snip
>From my knowledge, Guyra gets less snow than parts of
the Central Tablelands but it probably gets the most
for that part of the Northern Tablelands outside of
Ben Loman(?) and of course Mt Barrington further to
the South-East.
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Michael
Generally yes. One thing I have noticed over recent years is the
proliferation of poor quality forecasts on the internet for Australia. Sites
such as Yahoo, CNN, Excite and Weather.com produce Australian forecasts that
range from dubious to laughable. NZ Met suffer from a lack of Australian
local knowledge and that is borne out in an analysis of their forecasts.
Generally they have an accuracy that is far lower than those of the BoM or
any Australian Met company.
"filtering out the crap" is not really the issue. But you do need local
knowledge to produce a good product. This is apparent looking at the
rainfall progs produced by Metservice. They often show no sympathy for the
climatological and local rainfall influences. Thay have been producing some
very unrealistic rainfall distributions and this is sometimes verbally
highlighted by Monty in the mornings. You know that the product is dodgy
when even the presenter can see that it is wrong :) . Unfortunately, unless
they undertake ongoing quality checking or verification they will never
improve their performance.
MH
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>From: Michael Scollay
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>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:19 AM
>
> Mark Hardy wrote:
>>
>> Rod
>> Channel 9 obtain their charts from a NZ Met company.
>> MH
>
> So that's the trouble with out-sourcing weather (forecasts)...
> Needs a bit of local input to clean out the crap...Do most
> people agree?
>
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BoM TCWC in Perth have issued a watch for Ilsa
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW50W06.txt
MH
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>From: Matt Smith
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>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 2:20 PM
>
>
> Triple J news just sait the "Joint Typhoon Warning Center" (JTWC) , thinks
> that Ilsa will stregthen and threaten the pilbara coast next week... good
> to see the radio stations doing there research, and not relying on BoM data
> alone to inform the public (not that there is anything wrong with that :)
>
> Weak storms continue on the ranges west of sydney, crackling on the AM
> band.. hopefully something happens locally.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC John has made land...........
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Exmouth climbed up to 40 degrees today. A pretty impressive figure being so
close to the cyclone. Most likely due to the downslope winds around the SE
side of TC John. MH
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC John has made land...........
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 6:03 AM
>
> Blair,
>
> Don't quote me as an authority but I think Whim Creek (sp?)is basically
> a pub and thats it. That's according to a guy on the phone speaking to
> 2BL ABC radio this morning (wednesday 11am) Anyone else got a better
> idea?
>
> Lindsay Pearce
>
> Blair Trewin wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Have a look at Local Scale radar for Port Headland - TC John is giving whim
>> > creek a real hiding.... hope everyone is ok.
>> >
>> > Great radar pics though.....
>> >
>> Does anyone know how big Whim Creek actually is? - is it a population
>> centre of any size, or just a homestead/truckstop? (it certainly
>> doesn't rate a mention in any of the references I was checking for
>> population size).
>>
>> The gusts at Port Hedland and Karratha are still holding around the
>> 60-knot mark, and pressures are rising very slightly. Roebourne will
>> be the interesting one. They were reporting mean winds of 126 km/h
>> (68 knots) at 0300 local time, but didn't report at 0600 - hopefully
>> that means comms problems and not that the observation wasn't made
>> (or that the instrument has failed), although I guess you can't
>> ask that much of a manually reporting station (especially if it's
>> potentially in a storm surge zone). Roebourne is, I believe, one of
>> the older towns on the coast, so I wonder if its construction standards
>> are quite up to those of, say, Karratha or Exmouth? (remembering that
>> Exmouth came through Vance relatively lightly for a cat-5, with no
>> loss of life and most buildings surviving).
>>
>> Thinking longer-term, it's probably a little too late for any of the
>> moisture from John to end up being fed into the system that will be
>> crossing SE Australia tomorrow.
>>
>> Blair Trewin
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From: "Willis, Andrew" [adwillis at bechtel.com]
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*laughs*
John, I sympathise. I lived 20 km down the road at Armidale and Guyra was a
horrible place for the cold even compared to Armidale. Frost was a feature
of Guyra but it was more noted for the -20 degree wind chill factor that
routinely howled down teh main street.
It's one note of fame is that Guyra has the highest Caravan Park in
Australia. You learn something new every day.
> "Ben Lomond" I think...
>
> Having stopped at Guyra a few times in the middle of winter at 3:00am for
> petrol, I can tell you that it is a f!$ at #*g cold place. Might not get
> much
> snow, but it gets one hellofa lotta frost. I also made the mistake of
> staying overnight in a "fibro" motel there once.
>
> >snip
>
> >From my knowledge, Guyra gets less snow than parts of
> the Central Tablelands but it probably gets the most
> for that part of the Northern Tablelands outside of
> Ben Loman(?) and of course Mt Barrington further to
> the South-East.
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:09:36 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi everyone,
I'm just thinking out aloud... but does anyone think it would be
possible for ASWA to be able to provide updates to media outlets in
situations like TC's threatening the coastline? I was quite surprised at
how wrong some news reports have been over the last couple of days
regarding the movement or location of TC John.. MMM (a radio station
here in Brisbane) reported TC John as crossing the coast in the Karratha
area for for most of this morning, while infact it had taken a sudden
turn and was crossing the coast over 100km ENE of Karratha.. and often
in situations like this i find that you can watch 3 news programs, and
get a different story on what the cyclone is doing and where it is
heading!!
Do the media has some sort of organisation that provides them with
information on weather events? If they do, then they must just read
things out wrong, or don't bother to get regular updates.. because it
has been the same for as long as i can remember..
Maybe it's something that ASWA could think about doing something about?
I know i would be interested in something like this..
Mark Hardy wrote:
>
> Michael
> Generally yes. One thing I have noticed over recent years is the
> proliferation of poor quality forecasts on the internet for Australia. Sites
> such as Yahoo, CNN, Excite and Weather.com produce Australian forecasts that
> range from dubious to laughable. NZ Met suffer from a lack of Australian
> local knowledge and that is borne out in an analysis of their forecasts.
> Generally they have an accuracy that is far lower than those of the BoM or
> any Australian Met company.
>
> "filtering out the crap" is not really the issue. But you do need local
> knowledge to produce a good product. This is apparent looking at the
> rainfall progs produced by Metservice. They often show no sympathy for the
> climatological and local rainfall influences. Thay have been producing some
> very unrealistic rainfall distributions and this is sometimes verbally
> highlighted by Monty in the mornings. You know that the product is dodgy
> when even the presenter can see that it is wrong :) . Unfortunately, unless
> they undertake ongoing quality checking or verification they will never
> improve their performance.
> MH
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> _____________________________________________________
>
> ----------
> >From: Michael Scollay
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
> >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:19 AM
> >
>
> > Mark Hardy wrote:
> >>
> >> Rod
> >> Channel 9 obtain their charts from a NZ Met company.
> >> MH
> >
> > So that's the trouble with out-sourcing weather (forecasts)...
> > Needs a bit of local input to clean out the crap...Do most
> > people agree?
> >
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:54:37 -1100 (DST)
From: Jonty Hall [jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au]
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Hello to all,
There was a report in the Melbourne Age today (the online version - I'm
not sure about the hard copy one) that TC John was "the strongest cyclone
ever recorded in Australia". There was a quote attributed to a BoM
forecaster (I can't remember his name) who reputedly said that this was an
"unequivocal" fact! In the same breath, he is reported to have stated
that it had wind gusts near 300 km/h near the centre, so his remarks are
strange considering the BoM forecasters analyzed 3 TCs last season as
having wind gusts estimated at 320 km/h. There's no doubt that TC John was
an intense system, but saying that it was unequivocally the strongest ever
is nonsence. As all the intensity analyses in the Australian region are
bases almost totally on remote sensing imagery, it is rubbish to make such
claims.
I also noticed on a TV news program this morning (I think it was Sky News
Australia), they were showing one of those sort of dual charts of
Australia, where they overlay a surface synoptic pattern over an IR
satellite image. That is fine, except that the analysis was obviously done
at a very different time to the sat pic. TC John was obviously very
prominent on the IR, but their synoptic centre was about 500 km to the
north! That strikes me as being a bit sloppy, although not quite in the
same league as the examples some people have mentioned here earlier.
Cheers,
Jonty.
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Ben Quinn wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm just thinking out aloud... but does anyone think it would be
> possible for ASWA to be able to provide updates to media outlets in
> situations like TC's threatening the coastline? I was quite surprised at
> how wrong some news reports have been over the last couple of days
> regarding the movement or location of TC John.. MMM (a radio station
> here in Brisbane) reported TC John as crossing the coast in the Karratha
> area for for most of this morning, while infact it had taken a sudden
> turn and was crossing the coast over 100km ENE of Karratha.. and often
> in situations like this i find that you can watch 3 news programs, and
> get a different story on what the cyclone is doing and where it is
> heading!!
>
> Do the media has some sort of organisation that provides them with
> information on weather events? If they do, then they must just read
> things out wrong, or don't bother to get regular updates.. because it
> has been the same for as long as i can remember..
>
> Maybe it's something that ASWA could think about doing something about?
> I know i would be interested in something like this..
>
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ilsa and the ABC Influence
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Hello all....
I put my hand up as being the ABC culprit who wrote the story....everyone in
the ABC now knows the JTWC site. 36 hours ago I spoke with my counterparts
at ABC Karratha and told them of the site and warned them to batten down the
hatches.....Paul Semple is the manager there....and was unaware of the
pending disaster.
Everyone in the ABC over there is now on alert about Ilsa....shame the BOM
hasn't done the same. There was reference to Ilsa in the 1300 ESDT ABC
National News filed by Tanya Noland who is the News journo at Karratha after
the JTWC tipoff from me. I was tempted to give her access to the ASWA site
because of the impending disaster....however I decided not to do so because
the ABC has full access to the BOM radar state-by-state.... but management
won't give regional news journos or radio stations password access...it
f***ing sucks.
Halden says watch for the double whammy
Cheers
>From: Matt Smith
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>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: aus-wx: Ilsa
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:20:04 +1100
>
>
>Triple J news just sait the "Joint Typhoon Warning Center" (JTWC) , thinks
>that Ilsa will stregthen and threaten the pilbara coast next week... good
>to see the radio stations doing there research, and not relying on BoM data
>alone to inform the public (not that there is anything wrong with that :)
>
>Weak storms continue on the ranges west of sydney, crackling on the AM
>band.. hopefully something happens locally.
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: ThunderDownUnder'99 pics
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:49:34 +1100
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Yes, the Melbourne Storm Chasers are still alive - we're just trying to
catch up after the most wonderful tour of outback NSW & Queensland.
I've put some of my pics up on this page - no captions yet - just pics, and
there're more to come (from about 6 of us)
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/tdu99.htm
....so keep an eye on the Wotznu page over the next few weeks as people
start sending their pics in for scanning - guess what I'll be doing between
Christmas & New Year this year
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/wotznu.htm
Jane
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:07:05 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Ben..
most radio stations now show little or no interest in Wetaher - their
reports are usually taken from AAP or some other news source and are
only updated when the next shift comes on and there's something on the
wire.
We worked for 2UE in the 1980s and the station kept on getting
complaints from the BoM - apparently because we kept them better
informed and up to date. The pity is that the BoM sees any weather media
comment as a threat to their monopoly and the media has little interest
in rectifying this because the BoM supplies things for free.
The ABC in Sydney takes direct reports from the Sydney office - Steve
Symonds - in the afternoon, but even this has inaccuracies etc in it. A
few days ago the ABC was reading a forecast 24 hours out of date - this
is not eh BoM's fault but perhpas they could monitor radio stations and
get on their backs at times like that.
Don W
Don White
Ben Quinn wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm just thinking out aloud... but does anyone think it would be
> possible for ASWA to be able to provide updates to media outlets in
> situations like TC's threatening the coastline? I was quite surprised at
> how wrong some news reports have been over the last couple of days
> regarding the movement or location of TC John.. MMM (a radio station
> here in Brisbane) reported TC John as crossing the coast in the Karratha
> area for for most of this morning, while infact it had taken a sudden
> turn and was crossing the coast over 100km ENE of Karratha.. and often
> in situations like this i find that you can watch 3 news programs, and
> get a different story on what the cyclone is doing and where it is
> heading!!
>
> Do the media has some sort of organisation that provides them with
> information on weather events? If they do, then they must just read
> things out wrong, or don't bother to get regular updates.. because it
> has been the same for as long as i can remember..
>
> Maybe it's something that ASWA could think about doing something about?
> I know i would be interested in something like this..
>
> Mark Hardy wrote:
> >
> > Michael
> > Generally yes. One thing I have noticed over recent years is the
> > proliferation of poor quality forecasts on the internet for Australia. Sites
> > such as Yahoo, CNN, Excite and Weather.com produce Australian forecasts that
> > range from dubious to laughable. NZ Met suffer from a lack of Australian
> > local knowledge and that is borne out in an analysis of their forecasts.
> > Generally they have an accuracy that is far lower than those of the BoM or
> > any Australian Met company.
> >
> > "filtering out the crap" is not really the issue. But you do need local
> > knowledge to produce a good product. This is apparent looking at the
> > rainfall progs produced by Metservice. They often show no sympathy for the
> > climatological and local rainfall influences. Thay have been producing some
> > very unrealistic rainfall distributions and this is sometimes verbally
> > highlighted by Monty in the mornings. You know that the product is dodgy
> > when even the presenter can see that it is wrong :) . Unfortunately, unless
> > they undertake ongoing quality checking or verification they will never
> > improve their performance.
> > MH
> > _____________________________________________________
> > Mark Hardy.
> > The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
> > Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060
> > Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536.
> > Mobile 0414 642 739
> > email: mhardy at theweather.com.au
> > _____________________________________________________
> >
> > ----------
> > >From: Michael Scollay
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
> > >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:19 AM
> > >
> >
> > > Mark Hardy wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Rod
> > >> Channel 9 obtain their charts from a NZ Met company.
> > >> MH
> > >
> > > So that's the trouble with out-sourcing weather (forecasts)...
> > > Needs a bit of local input to clean out the crap...Do most
> > > people agree?
> > >
> > > Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Cc: noland.tanya at a2.abc.net.au
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ilsa and second influence
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:24:16 PST
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LEARMONTH ala RAAF STATION appears to be the only one working at this
time...probably due to power outages.
ASWA people....it does appear the dissapation of John has turned
dramatically to the north....I anticipate it will interact as the JTWC
predicts and....the double whammy will happen with Ilsa over the next 24-36
hours....the regeneration will be a very interesting event....I don't
believe this has happened before....
Halden
>From: "Halden Boyd"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ilsa and the ABC Influence
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:25:21 PST
>
>Hello all....
>I put my hand up as being the ABC culprit who wrote the story....everyone
>in
>the ABC now knows the JTWC site. 36 hours ago I spoke with my counterparts
>at ABC Karratha and told them of the site and warned them to batten down
>the
>hatches.....Paul Semple is the manager there....and was unaware of the
>pending disaster.
>Everyone in the ABC over there is now on alert about Ilsa....shame the BOM
>hasn't done the same. There was reference to Ilsa in the 1300 ESDT ABC
>National News filed by Tanya Noland who is the News journo at Karratha
>after
>the JTWC tipoff from me. I was tempted to give her access to the ASWA site
>because of the impending disaster....however I decided not to do so because
>the ABC has full access to the BOM radar state-by-state.... but management
>won't give regional news journos or radio stations password access...it
>f***ing sucks.
>Halden says watch for the double whammy
>Cheers
>
>
>>From: Matt Smith
>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>Subject: aus-wx: Ilsa
>>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:20:04 +1100
>>
>>
>>Triple J news just sait the "Joint Typhoon Warning Center" (JTWC) , thinks
>>that Ilsa will stregthen and threaten the pilbara coast next week... good
>>to see the radio stations doing there research, and not relying on BoM
>>data
>>alone to inform the public (not that there is anything wrong with that :)
>>
>>Weak storms continue on the ranges west of sydney, crackling on the AM
>>band.. hopefully something happens locally.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: ThunderDownUnder'99 pics
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Great pics Jane!!!!!!
I think when the captions go on it will be easier to recognize some of the
ppl in the pics. Will keep looking for the new pics when added :)
btw my site in the links page is no longer there can you change it to
http://sastorms.virtualave.net thanks
regards
a very warm
Andrew Wall
SA/NT state rep for ASWA Inc.
At 09:49 PM 15/12/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Yes, the Melbourne Storm Chasers are still alive - we're just trying to
>catch up after the most wonderful tour of outback NSW & Queensland.
>
>I've put some of my pics up on this page - no captions yet - just pics, and
>there're more to come (from about 6 of us)
>http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/tdu99.htm
>
>....so keep an eye on the Wotznu page over the next few weeks as people
>start sending their pics in for scanning - guess what I'll be doing between
>Christmas & New Year this year
>http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/wotznu.htm
>
>Jane
>-------------------------------------------------------
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>ASWA - Victoria
>Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.) the
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
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>
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
From: "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]
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Ben
Most media groups take a basic service from the BoM free of charge. However,
the trend is for the more competitive media is to take a customised service
from a private met company such as WNI, Don White, NZ Metservice, TWC etc
etc. The key issues here are cost and credibility. That's why most take the
BoM. They win on both counts. However if a media org decides they want
differentiation, then they go to a private met provider for a more
customised service. However, they don't want to lose the credibility they
had with the BoM. Therefore they typically go with a company that has been
in the game for some time with a reputation for reliable accurate service.
The reason some media are inaccurate is not the fault of BoM. It's basically
because weather is not a high priority in their programming. These media
fall into the category of taking the free BoM service but don't have the
staff skills or attention to detail to ensure they always broadcast the most
current material. ASWA will have difficulty changing this attitude (ie.
forget it). They already have access to a very accurate reliable service
from the BoM free of charge but they still get it wrong. If they don't care,
they don't care....
MH
_____________________________________________________
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The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060
Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536.
Mobile 0414 642 739
email: mhardy at theweather.com.au
_____________________________________________________
----------
>From: Ben Quinn
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 7:09 PM
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm just thinking out aloud... but does anyone think it would be
> possible for ASWA to be able to provide updates to media outlets in
> situations like TC's threatening the coastline? I was quite surprised at
> how wrong some news reports have been over the last couple of days
> regarding the movement or location of TC John.. MMM (a radio station
> here in Brisbane) reported TC John as crossing the coast in the Karratha
> area for for most of this morning, while infact it had taken a sudden
> turn and was crossing the coast over 100km ENE of Karratha.. and often
> in situations like this i find that you can watch 3 news programs, and
> get a different story on what the cyclone is doing and where it is
> heading!!
>
> Do the media has some sort of organisation that provides them with
> information on weather events? If they do, then they must just read
> things out wrong, or don't bother to get regular updates.. because it
> has been the same for as long as i can remember..
>
> Maybe it's something that ASWA could think about doing something about?
> I know i would be interested in something like this..
>
>
> Mark Hardy wrote:
>>
>> Michael
>> Generally yes. One thing I have noticed over recent years is the
>> proliferation of poor quality forecasts on the internet for Australia. Sites
>> such as Yahoo, CNN, Excite and Weather.com produce Australian forecasts that
>> range from dubious to laughable. NZ Met suffer from a lack of Australian
>> local knowledge and that is borne out in an analysis of their forecasts.
>> Generally they have an accuracy that is far lower than those of the BoM or
>> any Australian Met company.
>>
>> "filtering out the crap" is not really the issue. But you do need local
>> knowledge to produce a good product. This is apparent looking at the
>> rainfall progs produced by Metservice. They often show no sympathy for the
>> climatological and local rainfall influences. Thay have been producing some
>> very unrealistic rainfall distributions and this is sometimes verbally
>> highlighted by Monty in the mornings. You know that the product is dodgy
>> when even the presenter can see that it is wrong :) . Unfortunately, unless
>> they undertake ongoing quality checking or verification they will never
>> improve their performance.
>> MH
>> _____________________________________________________
>> Mark Hardy.
>> The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
>> Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060
>> Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536.
>> Mobile 0414 642 739
>> email: mhardy at theweather.com.au
>> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: Michael Scollay
>> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nine network anals & progs
>> >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:19 AM
>> >
>>
>> > Mark Hardy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Rod
>> >> Channel 9 obtain their charts from a NZ Met company.
>> >> MH
>> >
>> > So that's the trouble with out-sourcing weather (forecasts)...
>> > Needs a bit of local input to clean out the crap...Do most
>> > people agree?
>> >
>> > Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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