Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Monday, 10 January 2000

From Subject -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 001 Jonty Hall [jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au] Active MJO 002 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Victorian Tornado ~ Paraparap 003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Telegraph Article, January 6 004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Sydnwy's Weather 005 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Victorian Tornado 006 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Active MJO 007 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) A plea to Aussie weather web site operators 008 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] A plea to Aussie weather web site operators 009 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] A plea to Aussie weather web site operators 010 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] A plea to Aussie weather web site operators 011 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Welcome Back! - plus ASWA Archive Report... 012 "Rob & Mimi Lord" [robmimilord at ozemail.com.au ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes 013 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes 014 "Dr David Jones" [d.jones at bom.gov.au] ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes 015 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] WA STA 016 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au TC? 017 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Telegraph Article, January 6 018 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Melbourne looking explosive!!! 019 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] RE: Global warming 020 "Nick Sykes" [njsykes at yahoo.com] Storms going up in Melbourne 021 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] RE: Global warming 022 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Telegraph Article, January 6 023 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes 024 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Telegraph Article, January 6 025 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at theweather.com.au] Cockeyed Bob 026 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) A Clever Use of the Internet 027 Peter Matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] Melbourne looking explosive!!! 028 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. RE: Global warming 029 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] Summer - what summer? 030 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] Cockeyed Bob 031 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Chase report and pics December 28th 032 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Cockeyed Bob 033 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Victorian Tornado 034 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Cockeyed Bob 035 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Cockeyed Bob 036 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes 037 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] Lightning over the Brindabellas 038 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Pics & reports 039 "David Croan" [wxbustchase at hotmail.com] Cockeyed Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 001 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:10:18 -1100 (DST) From: Jonty Hall [jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au] To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Active MJO Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, Sorry about that! Okay, I'll try for the short version although it still might take a while! MJO == Madden-Julian Oscillation, sometimes referred to as the 30-50 day oscillation, or even just the (tropical) intraseasonal oscillation. It was dicovered by Madden and Juilian in 1971. Basically, it is the dominant mode of variation in the tropical atmosphere at 30 to 50 day periods, and it affects both the wind fields and convective activity in the tropics. Its easiest to talk about the convective signal. Basically, in the active portion of the MJO, all scales of convection are enhanced - from individual cb, through meso and synoptic scales. A typical MJO cycle consists of a region of enhanced convection forming in the central Indian Ocean, which then begins to propagate eastwards. You can think of this as an envelope inside which the convection on all the scales is enhanced. The diameter of the envelope is typically about 3 to 5 thousand km. This moves steadily eastwards across the north of Australia and into the Pacific ocean, generally reaching as far east as the date line, where usually there is a final flare up of activity before it dies away. At this time a new MJO begins to form in the Indian Ocean about 30 to 50 days after the previous one. In regions outside of the envelope, convection is supressed overall (but not altogether of course). To get an idea of what this thing looks like over the Indonesian region, got to the current global IR sat image at www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/GMSFull_ir2.jpg The wind fields are also affected by the MJO - to cut a long story short, the "rear end" of the active envelope is generally a region where the conditions for TC formation are particularly favourable. I should say a couple of other things about it. Generally, the propagation is along the equator, although it does follow the position of the ITCZ (monsoon trough) a bit. Its not there all the time either - there are periods when there is no MJO observed. But the most active time of year is usually February/March. It has been linked to the active/break cycles of the Australian monsoon (and the Indian one for that matter), and TC formation in the Australian region. There's been stacks of observational work done on it, but we still aren't sure what causes it. None of the current global models represent it at all well, and certainly there is no method of forecasting it at present. For example, if you initialise the MRF model with an active MJO, it doesn't propagate it at all - it just kills the convection off in about 1 or 2 days. And that's not to put down the MRF - none of the others are any better. I think the ECMWF keeps the oscillation, but propagates it way too fast. All the models perform a lot better when the MJO is inactive. It is quite interesting - some recent studies have shown that the skill of forecasts both in the tropics *and* the extratropics is reduced during periods of active MJOs. Well, I hope that wasn't too long-winded or too brief but just right! But is pretty interesting stuff don't you think? If you want to know anything else, please ask!! Cheers, Jonty. ____________________________________________________________________ Jonty Hall jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au CRC for Southern Hemisphere Meteorology Monash University Wellington Road, Clayton, Vic 3168 Ph +61 3 9905 9684 ____________________________________________________________________ > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Paul Mossman wrote: > HI JOnty - thanx for this great info - 1 question - whats an MJO?? > > Rgds, Paul. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 002 From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Victorian Tornado ~ Paraparap Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:44:19 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After videoing an F0 tornado yesterday, ..... a million thanks to Clyve Herbert for his incredibly timely observations & directions in getting me to where I ended up with a video in my hand and a tornado in front of me, Andrew McDonald for radar & visual updates during the afternoon, Jimmy Deguara & Michael Bath for their help, and Lindsay Smail who has already started working on locating the event for us as well as getting ASWA a mention in the Geelong Advertiser. ... and 3 VERY BIG cheers to ASWA Inc. for helping to make an event like this a real team event!!!!! 003 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:20:18 -0800 From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Telegraph Article, January 6 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Did anyone see the Daily Telegraph article on 6/1/00? It was titled, "The Sizzling Nineties." It seemed to be pretty alarmist about global warming etc; a possible 94cm sea rise by 2100 etc. Michael Scollay, myself and other snow lubbers wont be pleased, apparently there could well be a 96% decrease in the Aussie snow cover by 2070! How on earth do they get that figure! The article was centred around the quotes of a guy from the CSIRO, Kevin Hennessy. I wonder if they quoted him correctly? Lindsay Pearce +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 004 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:38:15 -0800 From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydnwy's Weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great stats there Don. It's been pretty cool up here in the mountains too. Could such a cool trend persist for some time, even into winter this year? I know its a long way off but...wouldn't a cold winter be nice. Lindsay Pearce Don White wrote: > > Sydney's top temperature in December was just 26.8 on 8th. 24 of the 31 > days were below normal including all from 17th to the end. > Fsailing to reach 30 in December is rare. It last happened in 1992 and > before that in 1986, 1978 and then back in 1952. Failing to reach 28 is > een rarer. It last happened in December 1860 when the top temp was 27.9. > Failing to reach 27 - that's never happened before. > The average max was the lowest since 1960 but even then the top for the > month was 31.7 on 27th. > Brisbane, of course, went one better. Their mean max in December of 26.4 > smashed their previous lowest ever of 27.3 in 150, 1962 and 1963 and > their ave min of 17.7 was also the lowest ever for December - the > previous being 18.4 in 1963 and 1983 but at least they reached 30 twice > - on 29th and 31st. > > Don White > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 005 From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Victorian Tornado Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:07:17 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'll try this again, as it didn't like the way the previous email was set out and cut off the second part of it.... ____________________________________________ After videoing an F0 tornado yesterday, ..... a million thanks to Clyve Herbert for his incredibly timely observations & directions in getting me to where I ended up with a video in my hand and a tornado in front of me, Andrew McDonald for radar & visual updates during the afternoon, Jimmy Deguara & Michael Bath for their help, and Lindsay Smail who has already started working on locating the event for us as well as getting ASWA a mention in the Geelong Advertiser. ... and 3 VERY BIG cheers to ASWA Inc. for helping to make an event like this a real team event!!!!! after yesterday's excitement, I didn't get the chance to save any images after 7am Sunday. Michael Bath has very kindly organised a radar loop for me but I'd also like to get hold of the following for the report if anyone has them readily available: If would be greatly appreciated if you could send them to me at cadence at rubix.net.au MSL analysis: 1pm (1300 AEDST) & 4pm (1600AEDST) gmsd: between 1300AEDST & 1700AEDST ?? Melbourne sounding 0Z 09/01/00 LI's between 1300 & 1700AEDST and anything else you think would be worth inclusion in the report which will go up on MSC when I get half a chance to get it all together & get the Snappy working for an image or 3. Jane ONeill ASWA - Victoria +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 006 From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Active MJO Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:48:42 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id RAA22263 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jonty Thanks for putting the time into such an accessible explanation. This sort of sharing makes this a brilliant list. Laurier On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:10:18 -1100 (DST), Jonty Hall wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Sorry about that! Okay, I'll try for the short version although it still %>< great explanation snipped >is pretty interesting stuff don't you think? If you want to know anything >else, please ask!! > >Cheers, > >Jonty. > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Jonty Hall jdh at vortex.shm.monash.edu.au > >CRC for Southern Hemisphere Meteorology >Monash University >Wellington Road, >Clayton, Vic 3168 > >Ph +61 3 9905 9684 > >____________________________________________________________________ >> > >On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Paul Mossman wrote: > >> HI JOnty - thanx for this great info - 1 question - whats an MJO?? >> >> Rgds, Paul. >> > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://ausweather.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 007 From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: A plea to Aussie weather web site operators Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:48:03 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id TAA06988 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The number and quality of weather web sites that have been spawned as a result of this list and ASWA over the past year is nothing short of incredible -- it is a wonderful testimony to people's enthusiasm to throw effort into a subject they love, and the power of the Net to enable and encourage that. But we have a problem developing. There are around a dozen web sites across the country that are providing detailed and extremely useful descriptions of severe and significant weather events. Together, they are spontaneuosly developing a remarkable distributed database on the meteorological events that most affect the community. As time roll on and the descriptions accumulate, however, finding the one you want is becoming more difficult. And cross-linking to reports between sites is fraught with danger as links change. My plea is for all site operators that feature weather descriptions to develop a permanent URL structure that will both organise their descriptions and data, and survive the inevitable moves between Internet service providers. Several of the larger sites have already done this. To take Michael and Jimmy's Australian Severe Weather site as an example, all Storm News documents are titled yymm-nn.htm, where yy=year, mm=month and nn=consecutive number for the month. They are placed in a docs subdirectory within a year directory -- the first severe weather description for January this year would be at http://whatever URL/2000/docs/0001-01.html. Images, whether photos, radar, satpix or whatever, also follow a logical -- and permanent -- structure. I can link to any description on their page with confidence that the directory structure of the URL won't change. If Michael and Jimmy at some stage transfer from http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com to http://australiansevereweather.someotherISP.com, I can simply update all links on my site to theirs with a global replace of the root URL. My Australian Weather News site doesn't aspire to cover individual events in the same depth or technical detail as those of an increasing number of ASWA members. But it does try to be comprehensive, with a fairly non-technical description of all "significant" weather events in the country. I would dearly love to link to more detailed reports on other sites, so as to provide virtually an index to what's available on any event. But my experience of changing URLs in the past has discouraged me from doing so. Any other sites wishing to cross link face the same problem. Producing an index of event descriptions across sites is not practicable. To help all of us maximise the usefulness and findability of the information on our sites, could I suggest: 1. Each site develop a sound directory structure and document naming policy for its weather events reports and associated documents and images. The structure should be able to survive any shift between ISPs so that only the root URL would have to be changed in links. 2. The directory and file names be date based, preferably reverse date based (e.g. an event today could go into /2000/docs/0001-10.html or /2000/0110.html). The reverse date means that documents sort conveniently. Using the full date rather than sequential report numbers means that sort order is preserved even if a new report of an old event is put on the site. 3. Reports go straight into the directory/document that will be permanent, not into a "recent events" file which is subsequently transferred into an "archives" file. Whilst it's tempting to suggest that we develop a standard approach across sites, I don't think that would work, nor is it necessary. If the three basics above are followed then indexing, cross linking and organisation are quite adequately protected. What say ye all? -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://ausweather.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 008 X-Sender: disarm at mail.braenet.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:29:09 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: A plea to Aussie weather web site operators Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is an absolutly mammoth task for some websites, not just changing the URL of the page, but changing any links you have to other parts of the websites on those pages.. urg, the thought of it is giving me a headache, but if others agree to it then i guess ill make the effort, i can see where you are comming from and i guess the earlier we look at the problem the better, because as you said, it will become a problem no doubt in the future. Matt Smith >The number and quality of weather web sites that have been spawned as >a result of this list and ASWA over the past year is nothing short of >incredible -- it is a wonderful testimony to people's enthusiasm to >throw effort into a subject they love, and the power of the Net to >enable and encourage that. > >But we have a problem developing. > >There are around a dozen web sites across the country that are >providing detailed and extremely useful descriptions of severe and >significant weather events. Together, they are spontaneuosly >developing a remarkable distributed database on the meteorological >events that most affect the community. > >As time roll on and the descriptions accumulate, however, finding the >one you want is becoming more difficult. And cross-linking to reports >between sites is fraught with danger as links change. > >My plea is for all site operators that feature weather descriptions to >develop a permanent URL structure that will both organise their >descriptions and data, and survive the inevitable moves between >Internet service providers. Several of the larger sites have already >done this. > >To take Michael and Jimmy's Australian Severe Weather site as an >example, all Storm News documents are titled yymm-nn.htm, where >yy=year, mm=month and nn=consecutive number for the month. They are >placed in a docs subdirectory within a year directory -- the first >severe weather description for January this year would be at >http://whatever URL/2000/docs/0001-01.html. Images, whether photos, >radar, satpix or whatever, also follow a logical -- and permanent -- >structure. > >I can link to any description on their page with confidence that the >directory structure of the URL won't change. If Michael and Jimmy at >some stage transfer from http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com >to http://australiansevereweather.someotherISP.com, I can simply >update all links on my site to theirs with a global replace of the >root URL. > >My Australian Weather News site doesn't aspire to cover individual >events in the same depth or technical detail as those of an increasing >number of ASWA members. But it does try to be comprehensive, with a >fairly non-technical description of all "significant" weather events >in the country. I would dearly love to link to more detailed reports >on other sites, so as to provide virtually an index to what's >available on any event. But my experience of changing URLs in the past >has discouraged me from doing so. Any other sites wishing to cross >link face the same problem. Producing an index of event descriptions >across sites is not practicable. > >To help all of us maximise the usefulness and findability of the >information on our sites, could I suggest: > >1. Each site develop a sound directory structure and document naming >policy for its weather events reports and associated documents and >images. The structure should be able to survive any shift between ISPs >so that only the root URL would have to be changed in links. > >2. The directory and file names be date based, preferably reverse date >based (e.g. an event today could go into /2000/docs/0001-10.html or >/2000/0110.html). The reverse date means that documents sort >conveniently. Using the full date rather than sequential report >numbers means that sort order is preserved even if a new report of an >old event is put on the site. > >3. Reports go straight into the directory/document that will be >permanent, not into a "recent events" file which is subsequently >transferred into an "archives" file. > >Whilst it's tempting to suggest that we develop a standard approach >across sites, I don't think that would work, nor is it necessary. If >the three basics above are followed then indexing, cross linking and >organisation are quite adequately protected. > >What say ye all? > >-- >Laurier Williams >Australian Weather News & Links >http://ausweather.simplenet.com > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 009 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:23:49 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: A plea to Aussie weather web site operators Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier and everyone, Laurier, you have touched on an important point here which I have on some occasions explained in ASWA meetings or just chatting about site on chases. Michael Bath and I had spent hours thinking how we could arrange the site in such an organised and PERMANENT link basis. So when we developed the ASW site, we took this into account and since its development, very few changes have had to be made to keep this structure going. There are also advantages of using the structure we have created. In your directory in my computer, having the date order using the system we have created allows for the documents to list in order. For instance, photography/photos/1999/0104jd01.jpg this is a photo taken on the 4th January 1999 easy for users to follow and another photo taken on the 6th of January 1999 would be photography/photos/1999/0106jd01.jpg. Now on your computer, you will find they are in order when ordering details by name How it orders in file explorer in Win 95 or 98 Name ie 0104jd01.jpg 0104jd02.jpg 0104jd03.jpg 0104jd04.jpg and so on and then the next photo on the sixth 0106jd01.jpg Another important thing to remember is that this allows you to take up 99 photos in the one day per person Now, had we order it using letter of the alphabet or single numbers, there is no problems except How it would look in explorer if you took 10 photos a) single numbers 0104jd1.jpg 0104jd10.jpg 0104jd2.jpg 0104jd3.jpg 0104jd4.jpg 0104jd5.jpg etc dirty ordering and letter will allow you 26 before you get similar problems ie in Explorer will look like 0104jda.jpg 0104jdaa.jpg 27th photo changes order.... 0104jdb.jpg 0104jdc.jpg 0104jdd.jpg etc dirty ordering yet again From experience, you simply don't take more than 99 photos in a day and if that is the case, it'd better be an F5 tornado!! Developing web sites takes time and patience. However, it doesn't simply involve the look of the site. The structure makes it easy when you build a large set of photos, or files to search for them. Trust us, you will see what we mean later on. I would really suggest that this standard or similar suggested by Laurier be discussed by various people in meetings. It may take time in the short run making the change but I can tell you that in the long run it is very well organised, easier to follow for both you and internet browsers, and it WILL save time overall. And as Laurier said, it becomes difficult to link to such documents. Our answer in some cases has been that we terminate the link if it is dead. Jimmy Deguara At 00:48 10/01/00 +0000, you wrote: >The number and quality of weather web sites that have been spawned as >a result of this list and ASWA over the past year is nothing short of >incredible -- it is a wonderful testimony to people's enthusiasm to >throw effort into a subject they love, and the power of the Net to >enable and encourage that. > >But we have a problem developing. > >There are around a dozen web sites across the country that are >providing detailed and extremely useful descriptions of severe and >significant weather events. Together, they are spontaneuosly >developing a remarkable distributed database on the meteorological >events that most affect the community. > >As time roll on and the descriptions accumulate, however, finding the >one you want is becoming more difficult. And cross-linking to reports >between sites is fraught with danger as links change. > >My plea is for all site operators that feature weather descriptions to >develop a permanent URL structure that will both organise their >descriptions and data, and survive the inevitable moves between >Internet service providers. Several of the larger sites have already >done this. > >To take Michael and Jimmy's Australian Severe Weather site as an >example, all Storm News documents are titled yymm-nn.htm, where >yy=year, mm=month and nn=consecutive number for the month. They are >placed in a docs subdirectory within a year directory -- the first >severe weather description for January this year would be at >http://whatever URL/2000/docs/0001-01.html. Images, whether photos, >radar, satpix or whatever, also follow a logical -- and permanent -- >structure. > >I can link to any description on their page with confidence that the >directory structure of the URL won't change. If Michael and Jimmy at >some stage transfer from http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com >to http://australiansevereweather.someotherISP.com, I can simply >update all links on my site to theirs with a global replace of the >root URL. > >My Australian Weather News site doesn't aspire to cover individual >events in the same depth or technical detail as those of an increasing >number of ASWA members. But it does try to be comprehensive, with a >fairly non-technical description of all "significant" weather events >in the country. I would dearly love to link to more detailed reports >on other sites, so as to provide virtually an index to what's >available on any event. But my experience of changing URLs in the past >has discouraged me from doing so. Any other sites wishing to cross >link face the same problem. Producing an index of event descriptions >across sites is not practicable. > >To help all of us maximise the usefulness and findability of the >information on our sites, could I suggest: > >1. Each site develop a sound directory structure and document naming >policy for its weather events reports and associated documents and >images. The structure should be able to survive any shift between ISPs >so that only the root URL would have to be changed in links. > >2. The directory and file names be date based, preferably reverse date >based (e.g. an event today could go into /2000/docs/0001-10.html or >/2000/0110.html). The reverse date means that documents sort >conveniently. Using the full date rather than sequential report >numbers means that sort order is preserved even if a new report of an >old event is put on the site. > >3. Reports go straight into the directory/document that will be >permanent, not into a "recent events" file which is subsequently >transferred into an "archives" file. > >Whilst it's tempting to suggest that we develop a standard approach >across sites, I don't think that would work, nor is it necessary. If >the three basics above are followed then indexing, cross linking and >organisation are quite adequately protected. > >What say ye all? > >-- >Laurier Williams >Australian Weather News & Links >http://ausweather.simplenet.com > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 010 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:35:03 +1100 From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: A plea to Aussie weather web site operators Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, Laurier, Everyone.. This is awfully hard for me to explain.. i hope this explanation is clear enough.. If you are completely confuzzled by what i'm saying, visit the recent events section and you'll see what i mean.. BSCH DID have a problem like this - i say did, because just before Christmas i saw the problem, and fixed it.. the recent events reports used to go on a URL like this bsch.simp....../products/recentevents.htm And then at the end of the month the recent events page for that particular month would then be renamed to something like bsch.simp....../products/recenteventsoct.htm leaving the recentevent.htm file as the file containing the current months recent events - the file liked to throughout the site.. This was of course a problem, as when people linked to a report in the recent events section (and all reports for that month were on the same page) during the month, the link would not become a dead link, but simple a link to the wrong month of reports.. I have now fixed this problem - all reports are linked to FROM the recent events file, and are stored in a directory called/products/stories/themonth/thedate/thedateoftheevent.htm So now when you link to a specific report at BSCH, the URL of that report will never ever change.. The only problem is that i still have to rename the recentevent.htm file to say recenteventsdec.htm after each month.. so you can't link to a specific month of recent events reports untill that month is gone, and i have renamed it to another filename - which will never change again.. Given the mammoth size of BSCH (approaching 400 meg of data, 26 300 URL's - 4 600 of which are unique - and 2 600 HTML files) there is just no way in the world that i can ever change the structure of what i have already done.. i am steadily addopting new naming techniques for any data/pictures/reports i add to BSCH, but it's simply a matter of time.. This could have all been avoided if i had taken the time to think properly about the structure of some sections of BSCH, but after building the website for 5-6 months i was eager to get it up on the web.. Anyway, the end result is that there should not be any problems with the recent events reports anymore! As long as you link to a specific report, or link to a page containing links to reports from a certain month which has already passed (say December or November last year).. Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Laurier and everyone, > > Laurier, you have touched on an important point here which I have on some > occasions explained in ASWA meetings or just chatting about site on chases. > Michael Bath and I had spent hours thinking how we could arrange the site > in such an organised and PERMANENT link basis. So when we developed the ASW > site, we took this into account and since its development, very few changes > have had to be made to keep this structure going. > > There are also advantages of using the structure we have created. In your > directory in my computer, having the date order using the system we have > created allows for the documents to list in order. For instance, > photography/photos/1999/0104jd01.jpg this is a photo taken on the 4th > January 1999 easy for users to follow and another photo taken on the 6th > of January 1999 would be photography/photos/1999/0106jd01.jpg. Now on your > computer, you will find they are in order when ordering details by name > How it orders in file explorer in Win 95 or 98 > Name > ie 0104jd01.jpg > 0104jd02.jpg > 0104jd03.jpg > 0104jd04.jpg > and so on and then the next photo on the sixth > 0106jd01.jpg > > Another important thing to remember is that this allows you to take up 99 > photos in the one day per person > > Now, had we order it using letter of the alphabet or single numbers, there > is no problems except > How it would look in explorer if you took 10 photos > a) single numbers 0104jd1.jpg > 0104jd10.jpg > 0104jd2.jpg > 0104jd3.jpg > 0104jd4.jpg > 0104jd5.jpg etc dirty ordering > > and letter will allow you 26 before you get similar problems ie > in Explorer will look like > 0104jda.jpg > 0104jdaa.jpg 27th photo changes order.... > 0104jdb.jpg > 0104jdc.jpg > 0104jdd.jpg etc dirty ordering yet again > > From experience, you simply don't take more than 99 photos in a day and if > that is the case, it'd better be an F5 tornado!! > > Developing web sites takes time and patience. However, it doesn't simply > involve the look of the site. The structure makes it easy when you build a > large set of photos, or files to search for them. Trust us, you will see > what we mean later on. > > I would really suggest that this standard or similar suggested by Laurier > be discussed by various people in meetings. It may take time in the short > run making the change but I can tell you that in the long run it is very > well organised, easier to follow for both you and internet browsers, and it > WILL save time overall. > > And as Laurier said, it becomes difficult to link to such documents. Our > answer in some cases has been that we terminate the link if it is dead. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 00:48 10/01/00 +0000, you wrote: > >The number and quality of weather web sites that have been spawned as > >a result of this list and ASWA over the past year is nothing short of > >incredible -- it is a wonderful testimony to people's enthusiasm to > >throw effort into a subject they love, and the power of the Net to > >enable and encourage that. > > > >But we have a problem developing. > > > >There are around a dozen web sites across the country that are > >providing detailed and extremely useful descriptions of severe and > >significant weather events. Together, they are spontaneuosly > >developing a remarkable distributed database on the meteorological > >events that most affect the community. > > > >As time roll on and the descriptions accumulate, however, finding the > >one you want is becoming more difficult. And cross-linking to reports > >between sites is fraught with danger as links change. > > > >My plea is for all site operators that feature weather descriptions to > >develop a permanent URL structure that will both organise their > >descriptions and data, and survive the inevitable moves between > >Internet service providers. Several of the larger sites have already > >done this. > > > >To take Michael and Jimmy's Australian Severe Weather site as an > >example, all Storm News documents are titled yymm-nn.htm, where > >yy=year, mm=month and nn=consecutive number for the month. They are > >placed in a docs subdirectory within a year directory -- the first > >severe weather description for January this year would be at > >http://whatever URL/2000/docs/0001-01.html. Images, whether photos, > >radar, satpix or whatever, also follow a logical -- and permanent -- > >structure. > > > >I can link to any description on their page with confidence that the > >directory structure of the URL won't change. If Michael and Jimmy at > >some stage transfer from http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com > >to http://australiansevereweather.someotherISP.com, I can simply > >update all links on my site to theirs with a global replace of the > >root URL. > > > >My Australian Weather News site doesn't aspire to cover individual > >events in the same depth or technical detail as those of an increasing > >number of ASWA members. But it does try to be comprehensive, with a > >fairly non-technical description of all "significant" weather events > >in the country. I would dearly love to link to more detailed reports > >on other sites, so as to provide virtually an index to what's > >available on any event. But my experience of changing URLs in the past > >has discouraged me from doing so. Any other sites wishing to cross > >link face the same problem. Producing an index of event descriptions > >across sites is not practicable. > > > >To help all of us maximise the usefulness and findability of the > >information on our sites, could I suggest: > > > >1. Each site develop a sound directory structure and document naming > >policy for its weather events reports and associated documents and > >images. The structure should be able to survive any shift between ISPs > >so that only the root URL would have to be changed in links. > > > >2. The directory and file names be date based, preferably reverse date > >based (e.g. an event today could go into /2000/docs/0001-10.html or > >/2000/0110.html). The reverse date means that documents sort > >conveniently. Using the full date rather than sequential report > >numbers means that sort order is preserved even if a new report of an > >old event is put on the site. > > > >3. Reports go straight into the directory/document that will be > >permanent, not into a "recent events" file which is subsequently > >transferred into an "archives" file. > > > >Whilst it's tempting to suggest that we develop a standard approach > >across sites, I don't think that would work, nor is it necessary. If > >the three basics above are followed then indexing, cross linking and > >organisation are quite adequately protected. > > > >What say ye all? > > > >-- > >Laurier Williams > >Australian Weather News & Links > >http://ausweather.simplenet.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 011 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:18:43 +1100 From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au] Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Welcome Back! - plus ASWA Archive Report... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com With 554 E-Mails to go after being away since XMAS 1999 Eve, I would like to welcome all in ASWA and on the list to the 21st century in the hope that everyone is safe and had a good time. I did... The ASWA NMPOC satpic, BoM radar/msla archive cruised through Y2K in Australia with no problem whatsoever. On the GMT changeover, NPMOC rendered two files that ended up with dates beginning with "2099". That was all that affected weather archives other than some internet congestion around the 24hr world Y2K turnover. There were other problems in other sites around both local and GMT Y2K change-over but most were back in shape within an hour. This made the first day or so in 2000 mostly OK. Internet congestion plagued the archive around Y2K around the world and from 01/06, the archive began to run out of disk space:-( As for running out of disk space, I need a lesson in disk maths:-( Something occured during my absence that increased dayly archive downloads from 43MB to over 60MB. This progressively filled up the disk with some strange results from 01/06. Prior to 01/06, there were problems with internet access overseas that resulted in severe congestion and failed downloads. I spent the first few hours today scrounging enough disk space to get the archive and other services running properly again. That done, I can now report; =================================================================== Archive Status for in January, 2000. ------------------------------------------------------------------- gmsfull <= 02 OK, 03|04 15% 05 7%, 06|07 80%, >= 08 OK gmsd <= 01 OK, 02|07-09 15%, 03-05 80%, 06 50%, >= 10 OK gmsc <= 01 OK, 02|07-09 15%, 03-04 OK, 05 80%, 06 50%, >= 10 OK msla <= 05 OK, 06 70%, 07-09 10%, >= 10 OK radar <= 05 OK, 06 30%, 07 15%, 08 8%, 09 20%, >= 10 OK =================================================================== There are other radar outages at particular sites not noted above. In particular, broad-scale was absent in preference to narrow-scale on the partial dates shown. Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 012 From: "Rob & Mimi Lord" [robmimilord at ozemail.com.au] To: "aus-wx" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:34:48 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

G'day all,

Just saw a short ad on the ABC - a one-hour program entitled 'Oklahoma Fury: Day Of The Tornadoes' (May '99) will be televised this Wednesday 12 January at 8.30pm. Video footage looked great. Oh dear, cricket on the other channel . . . decisions, decisions . . . .

Rob.

Charlestown, NSW

013 X-Sender: disarm at mail.braenet.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:00:57 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Fantastic!!! I have been waiting months to see something from that day on TV.. considered buying some videos by chasers over in the US of it, never got around to it though, i can still remember some footage i saw on the news of 2 tornadoes on the ground at once, 1 smaller one spinning around the larger one... *drool* Would have thought the Discovery channel/Nat Geo channels would have aired something about it first.. but whose complaining! Thanks for letting us know! Matt Smith >>>> G'day all, Just saw a short ad on the ABC - a one-hour program entitled 'Oklahoma Fury: Day Of The Tornadoes' (May '99) will be televised this Wednesday 12 January at 8.30pm. Video footage looked great. Oh dear, cricket on the other channel . . . decisions, decisions . . . . Rob. Charlestown, NSW +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 014 From: "Dr David Jones" [d.jones at bom.gov.au] To: "Aussie Weather Digest (E-mail)" [aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com] Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:50:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Did anyone see the Daily Telegraph article on 6/1/00? > >It was titled, "The Sizzling Nineties." It seemed to be pretty alarmist >about global warming etc; a possible 94cm sea rise by 2100 etc. > >Michael Scollay, myself and other snow lubbers wont be pleased, >apparently there could well be a 96% decrease in the Aussie snow cover >by 2070! How on earth do they get that figure! The article was centred >around the quotes of a guy from the CSIRO, Kevin Hennessy. I wonder if >they quoted him correctly? > > Lindsay Pearce Lindsay, I didn't see the above article, but I would suggest that recent snow trends in the Snowy Mountains are "alarming" enough. The linear trend in the snow depth days at the marginal site of Three Mile Dam (1420m) shows a change from 3320 cm*days in 1955 to 1806 cm*days in 1997 - almost a 50% reduction. I would suggest this is probably the best measure of the snow season as it weights both duration and snow depth. (Un)fortunately Australian snow cover shows huge interannual variance, meaning this physically significant figure (just) fails to reach statistical significance. I also note that higher snow courses have shown less change, but, then again, you would expect "warming" to manifest itself most clearly at lower elevation snow courses due to the seasonality of temperatures. If global warming continues, then the trends observed at low elevation sites would be expected to occur at higher sites as these too become marginal. I would not ascribe this change to any one factor, but equally I wouldn't dismiss future, apparently alarming projections... Anyway, this is just my personal two bobs worth - and BTW I am also a very keen skier. Cheers, David Jones. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 015 X-Sender: disarm at braenet.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:30:37 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Subject: aus-wx: WA STA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE Issued at 10:50 am WST on Monday, 10 January 2000 People in the Great Southern, South Coastal and southern Goldfield Districts are advised that there is a risk of severe thunderstorms during this afternoon. Storms may be accompanied by hail, flash flooding and strong winds that could result in damage to property. The State Emergency Service advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and if storms approach secure loose items, move vechicles under cover, then stay indoors until the storms have passed. Driving conditions may be hazardous. This Thunderstorm Advice will be updated at 2:00pm. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 016 From: Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au To: " - *aussie-weather at world.std.com" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: TC? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:09:25 +0930 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id XAA10622 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After reading the excellent post from Jonty - I rang the BOM at Darwin and chatted with Ian Sheppard (we met him last year). He confirmed everything that Jonty said - and even said some nice things cause Jonty knew what he was talking about! Anyways - I got the info on last nights storm - which I will email to Michael Bath for him to have a look at. The this came in - and after considering Jonty's email - there may be some hope for this Low. TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN at 1:19 pm CST Monday 10 JANUARY 2000 Weak TROPICAL LOW in Arafura Sea. Location near 10S 135E about 250 km north of Milingimbi. Central pressure: 1004 hPa Recent movement : near stationary. DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL Next 24h : low. 24-48 h :low. 48-72 h :moderate. NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical cyclone development within each 24 hour period... LOW = 10% or less MODERATE = 20% - 40% HIGH = 50% or more. REMARKS The low is expected to remain slow moving for the next 24 to 48 hours. The low has some potential to move westwards in the longer term. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 017 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:53:56 +1100 From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au] Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Telegraph Article, January 6 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I havn't seen the artical but I also sense some media license being exercised. I agree with David's synopsis also but with the condition - to expect surprises. Predicting future climate is pretty game given that my detailed analysis of both precipitation and temperature trends points to more extremes. This gives a snow season with both feast and fathom that has been typical of 1998 and 1999 in particular. Doomsdayers delight in shoving a ruler on a graph and say "look, see, there's a trend". There's also an uncertainty. While it is confirmed that the planet is warming, where it will go from here and how this warming is distributed is remains an inexact science at best. I had the opportunity to comment about this on day-time ABC radio recently. In my comments, I mentioned that while there is much improvement evident in "the climate and weather forecasting models", there is still room for great improvements, particularly in the area of landform and land use modelling - where humans have considerable impact. Globally coupled models are increasing their resolutions as I write and many are beginning to incorporate sophisticated "land atmosphere & biosphere models" with very interesting results. These include something in excess of 50% regional warming in the Florida area being attributed to land-use patterns and not green-house gases. One can imagine this scenario as one where a global warming is apparent but this is not distributed evenly. The regional distribution nature of this warming varies considerably and is a function of meso-scale meteorology that incorporates a totally coupled land-biosphere-ocean-atmosphere model. I don't know whether regional warming differences will "save" Aussie snow. As a keen skier myself, I'd like to think that it will, but I am unlikely to be able to ski or perhaps even alive to witness the fulfilment of this prophecy. Nevertheless, I wonder when and how our leaders will react. Aussie snow is, sadly, far from their thoughts. They will simply go overseas to ski where the temperature "headroom" is greater and the snows still drier. But if their favourite coastal resort goes under water, you can bet that action is not far behind. Whether humans can coordinate the needed action on a global scale in a timely manner remains to be seen. We're in for an interesting decade I think with issues such as a hydrogen- based-transport and nuclear-fusion energy alternatives perhaps being considered seriously for the first time. Long overdue in my opinion... Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au Lindsay Pearce wrote on Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:20:18 -0800: > > Did anyone see the Daily Telegraph article on 6/1/00? > > It was titled, "The Sizzling Nineties." It seemed to be pretty > alarmist about global warming etc; a possible 94cm sea rise by > 2100 etc. > > Michael Scollay, myself and other snow lubbers wont be pleased, > apparently there could well be a 96% decrease in the Aussie snow > cover by 2070! How on earth do they get that figure! The article > was centred around the quotes of a guy from the CSIRO, Kevin > Hennessy. I wonder if they quoted him correctly? Dr David Jones wrote on Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:50:40 +1000 > > Lindsay, I didn't see the above article, but I would suggest > that recent snow trends in the Snowy Mountains are "alarming" > enough. The linear trend in the snow depth days at the marginal > site of Three Mile Dam (1420m) shows a change from 3320 cm*days > in 1955 to 1806 cm*days in 1997 - almost a 50% reduction. I would > suggest this is probably the best measure of the snow season as > it weights both duration and snow depth. > > (Un)fortunately Australian snow cover shows huge interannual > variance, meaning this physically significant figure (just) fails > to reach statistical significance. I also note that higher snow > courses have shown less change, but, then again, you would expect > "warming" to manifest itself most clearly at lower elevation snow > courses due to the seasonality of temperatures. If global warming > continues, then the trends observed at low elevation sites would > be expected to occur at higher sites as these too become marginal. > > I would not ascribe this change to any one factor, but equally I > wouldn't dismiss future, apparently alarming projections... > > Anyway, this is just my personal two bobs worth - and BTW I am > also a very keen skier. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 018 From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne looking explosive!!! Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:23:39 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You've gotta have a look at this........it looks wonderful, please share with us one of the best looking skies we've seen for ages http://webcam.omni.net.au/ also THUNDERSTORM WARNING Issued at 1531 on Monday the 10th of January 2000 for the Metropolitan Area Thunderstorms are evident on radar to the west of Geelong and are expected to develop over the Melbourne metropolitan area this afternoon and evening. Jane ONeill ASWA - Victoria +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 019 From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: RE: Global warming Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:18:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Global warming phooey. Based upon the last 6 months in SE QLD, one would think we were on the verge of another Ice Age. I recall last summer I slept without a sheet for something like 3 months straight under open windows. This summer so far, not a single night without a sheet and 95% with Doona as well. But of course, this is just statistical variation, isn't it!? John. >snip >Did anyone see the Daily Telegraph article on 6/1/00? > >It was titled, "The Sizzling Nineties." It seemed to be pretty alarmist >about global warming etc; a possible 94cm sea rise by 2100 etc. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 020 X-Apparently-From: From: "Nick Sykes" [njsykes at yahoo.com] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Storms going up in Melbourne Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:36:27 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all Just got out of work and was welcomed with the beautiful site of Cb's all over the western horizon. The sun is now fully out after persistent cloud all morning. Radar shows storms near Geelong (red) and to the NW of the city. Some nice updraughts in these storms. Melbourne's outlook is for stroms this evenin and again tomorrow, then a break for 2 days and starting up again on Friday and into the weekend. The whole time with the temps in the low to mid 30's Summer is here and I'm loving it :) Before I go, Kick ass Jane on the tornado video, looking forward to seeing it :) Nick Sykes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 021 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:02:56 -0500 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Subject: aus-wx: RE: Global warming To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id BAA21022 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Your talking about weather, climate, is long term weather just like character is long term behavior. [S] ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Phone: 816-373-3533 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 022 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:11:36 -0500 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Telegraph Article, January 6 To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id BAA21842 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There is evidence for global warming but the real question is, what is the cause, is it man induced or is it the natural climatic variation. Besides, not to worry.... evolution will provide each one of us with a built in cooling system, that is, our own air conditioning. [S] Les ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Phone: 816-373-3533 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 023 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:17:31 -0500 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Subject: aus-wx: ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id BAA22718 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Order "May's Furry" from the web site I gave sometime back. You will see awesome video, some of which will be shown in this program. Watch the Cricket! Les ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Phone: 816-373-3533 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 024 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:19:46 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Telegraph Article, January 6 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Actually Leslie, I have heard reports about this that perhaps even though heating may occur, it may provide a feedback mechanism to induce cooling. It is quite possible that this has happened in past climates. Well we hope this is the case... Jimmy Deguara At 01:11 10/01/00 -0500, you wrote: >There is evidence for global warming but the real question is, what is the >cause, is it man induced or is it the natural climatic variation. Besides, >not to worry.... evolution will provide each one of us with a built in >cooling system, that is, our own air conditioning. [S] > >Les > >************************ >Leslie R. Lemon >Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist >Phone: 816-373-3533 >E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 025 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:18:21 +1100 Subject: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob From: "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at theweather.com.au] To: Weather Junkies [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Does anybody know what a Cockeyed Bob is? I heard it referred to in the context of a tornado but I have never heard such an odd term for a tornado. Regards, Mark _____________________________________________________ Mark Hardy. The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060 Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536. Mobile 0414 642 739 email: mhardy at theweather.com.au _____________________________________________________ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 026 From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: A Clever Use of the Internet Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:02:56 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id CAA28036 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I found this in the December 1999 NSW State Emergency Services Newsletter under the heading "A Clever Use of the Internet". Thought you might like it. ________________________________ In October this year Namoi Division provided high quality storm warnings to several communities in their area by a clever use of the Bureau�s web site on the Internet. They received a severe thunderstorm warning and reports of hail from local residents. They gained access to the Bureau�s radar picture and were able to track the storms. More importantly, they were able to advise the regional media that the storms were approaching particular towns. Some of the best ideas are simple! ________________________________- Wonders will never cease. And, obviously, they can afford the radar... -- Laurier Williams Australian Weather News & Links http://ausweather.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 027 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:56:16 +1100 From: Peter Matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne looking explosive!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I have some pics to take off my vidcam of the storms this afternoon. One passed to the west of here(Broadford). At the time of writing, one is headed for here from Sunbury!!!!!!!!! I also captured a beautiful congestus to the ne of here. On talking to Tony Bannister earlier, he said that they were weak pulse storms. The anvils resemble cold wx cbs, with weak 180 deg shear (cloud top-surface wind). Enough from me, I am going outside to enjoy with my vidcam:-))) Will post the pics to Jane. Cheers Peter Jane ONeill wrote: > You've gotta have a look at this........it looks wonderful, please share > with us one of the best looking skies we've seen for ages > http://webcam.omni.net.au/ > > also > > THUNDERSTORM WARNING > Issued at 1531 on Monday the 10th of January 2000 for the Metropolitan Area > > Thunderstorms are evident on radar to the west of Geelong and are expected > to > develop over the Melbourne metropolitan area this afternoon and evening. > > Jane ONeill > ASWA - Victoria > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 028 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:34:21 +1100 From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au] Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: RE: Global warming Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some members of the media are gullible when it comes to confusion between climate and weather. In fact, it was this problem that prompted me to ring the ABC last week while I was gardening in our backyard when they brought up Bob Carr's letter and went through some of the issues he raised at various times during last week. I said something like "One must not confuse climate, which is a long-term weather trend, with weather, which happens from day to day...I use different tools for each case..." SE QLD's cooling anomaly is merely a pimple in the whole climate record. Now if it were sustained for some 10 years or more, then it may well register a significant impact from a climate perspective. "Global Warming" is exactly what it says. Now I'm interested in what happens at a regional level, since that is more inherently useful for working out what is more likely from the resulting weather perspective. What I am finding not only points to significant regional variations in terms of temperature and precipitation anomalies, but also to more significant seasonal variations. These manifest in "more weather extremes" if you like. This has the effect of producing more "noise" or greater standard deviations in the weather records thus making a better climate forecast even more difficult to verify in the qualitative sense by virtue of the resultant weather produced. It is the qualitative aspect that is more important than the quantitative aspect. What I mean is that most people couldn't care less what the figure is, be it +0.73C, 94cm or whatever. They want to hear what that means for them. If a sea-level rise flooded their favourite seaside holiday spot, then they'd worry and perhaps change behaviors, but if it came up just a few cm and did nothing much, then they do nothing. If I am proved correct, then this represents a significant challenge for both climatologists and meteorologists. These people in the know must present their findings in a way that makes sense to everybody and these findings need to be continuously verified. More weather extremes or anomalies makes that job a hell of a lot harder since the media will undoubtedly play on these anomalies for their newsworthyness and politicians will use such anomalies to either transfer responsibility, defer or avoid any landmark global-warming -related decisions. Meanwhile, Earth continues to cook while humans wallow in an ocean of statistical insignificance...It's high time we start to reproduce this climate stuff in a way that makes a real positive behavior change in many areas. None is more noteworthy than with human reaction to "Severe Weather". QED. Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au Leslie R. Lemon wrote on Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:02:56 -0500 > > Your talking about weather, climate, is long term weather just > like character is long term behavior. [S] John Woodbridge wrote on Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:18:51 +1000: > > Global warming phooey. Based upon the last 6 months in SE QLD, one would > think we were on the verge of another Ice Age. I recall last summer I slept > without a sheet for something like 3 months straight under open windows. > This summer so far, not a single night without a sheet and 95% with Doona as > well. But of course, this is just statistical variation, isn't it!? > > John. > >snip > >Did anyone see the Daily Telegraph article on 6/1/00? > > > >It was titled, "The Sizzling Nineties." It seemed to be pretty alarmist > >about global warming etc; a possible 94cm sea rise by 2100 etc. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 029 From: "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Summer - what summer? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:49:56 +1300 Organization: Private X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Christchurch's average daily maximum for January is 22 C. After 10 days into the month, it hasn't yet reached that high. Indeed, on the 4th, it only reached 10 C!. (could easily be a record for January - I'm not sure) The situation on the 3rd and 4th (complex low east of South Island) brought cold,wet weather to most of NZ. Snow fell briefly to as low as 500 metres in one small area of Central Otago. Imagine the snowstorm which might have occured if an identical situation happened in mid-winter. What a way to usher in the century which is supposed one of global warming.

030 X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:23:15 +1030 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Mark, As far as I know the term Cockeyed Bob is an Australian slang word for vortexes like tornados, most of the time though it is used to describe Dust Devils (willy willies). The term is not used much anymore, probably because it sounds rude or it is too long to be used as an expression of a tornado. A small story goes: There was an old farmer living in the middle of no-where, called Bob. Bob had a crook eye, it was poked out by a crow when he was a small boy. One day during a very severe thunderstorm he went into town proclaiming there was a tornado on the way, but a few hours later nothing had happened to the town. So Bob went back home. The next severe storm came through and Bob rushed into town once again and proclaimed there was another tornado on the way, but yet again nothing happened. The towns people became sick of old Bob always proclaiming there was a tornado when there wasn't, so from then on they took no notice of Bob. A few years passed and Bob still went into town proclaiming of a tornado, but no one took notice, so bob said to the towns people, the next severe storm that passes by will have my name on it. A few months passed and a severe storm was heading towards the town, but Bob was not in sight, the towns people thought it strange, but continued on with their business. A few hours passed and a huge tornado ripped through the town almost destroying everything. Everyone remembered what old Bob had said about his name being on the next storm, so from then on, Tornados were called Cockeyed Bobs in memory of Bob the old cockeyed farmer. If your wondering what happened to Bob, his body was found a few days later in the wreckage of his home, which was also destroyed by the tornado. Hope that helps :) regards At 05:18 PM 10/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi all >Does anybody know what a Cockeyed Bob is? I heard it referred to in the >context of a tornado but I have never heard such an odd term for a tornado. >Regards, Mark >_____________________________________________________ >Mark Hardy. >The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. >Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060 >Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536. >Mobile 0414 642 739 >email: mhardy at theweather.com.au >_____________________________________________________ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Andrew Wall 15 Elio Drv, Paralowie, 5108 South Australia. PH (home) - (08) 82854590 State representative for S.A. and N.T. Division of the Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. Webmaster of The official South Australian Severe Weather watch homepage. South Australian Severe Weather page - http://sastorms.virtualave.net ASWA Inc. - http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 031 From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Chase report and pics December 28th Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:35:13 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have written up my chase report for the 28th December 1999 on the southern highlands. Some pictures of scrappy looking cloud tags in a disorganised storm contrasting against inky blue base , very heavy rain, around 100mm per hour rainfall. Michael Thompson http://thunder.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 032 X-Sender: jra at upnaway.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:40:17 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Its quite common over here in WA with farmers, like Andrew sais its just slang really. Ira Fehlberg At 17:18 10/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi all >Does anybody know what a Cockeyed Bob is? I heard it referred to in the >context of a tornado but I have never heard such an odd term for a tornado. >Regards, Mark >_____________________________________________________ >Mark Hardy. >The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. >Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060 >Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536. >Mobile 0414 642 739 >email: mhardy at theweather.com.au >_____________________________________________________ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 033 X-Sender: jra at upnaway.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:37:41 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian Tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Congratulations Jane & the others on a great chase! Great work! Im so stoked for you all. With all the people chasing about the country now I wondered how long it would be before someone got footage of a nader down. Anyway cant wait to see the footage, wink, wink nod, nod :P Chasing is coming of age here in Aus now and the next time a news station asks me if anyone has footage of a nader in aus, i can say well actually there is this crazy lady in victoria...............:) Also i have some footage highlights of some of our recent chases over here that i have put on a tape and will be sending off to the eastern states people soon. Once again, great work Ira Fehlberg At 09:07 10/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >I'll try this again, as it didn't like the way the previous email was set >out and cut off the second part of it.... >____________________________________________ > >After videoing an F0 tornado yesterday, ..... a million thanks to Clyve >Herbert for his incredibly timely observations & directions in getting me to >where I ended up with a video in my hand and a tornado in front of me, >Andrew McDonald for radar & visual updates during the afternoon, Jimmy >Deguara & Michael Bath for their help, and Lindsay Smail who has already >started working on locating the event for us as well as getting ASWA a >mention in the Geelong Advertiser. > >... and 3 VERY BIG cheers to ASWA Inc. for helping to make an event like >this a real team event!!!!! > >after yesterday's excitement, I didn't get the chance to save any >images after 7am Sunday. Michael Bath has very kindly organised a radar >loop for me but I'd also like to get hold of the following for the report if >anyone has them readily available: > >If would be greatly appreciated if you could send them to me at >cadence at rubix.net.au > > >MSL analysis: 1pm (1300 AEDST) & 4pm (1600AEDST) > >gmsd: between 1300AEDST & 1700AEDST > >?? Melbourne sounding 0Z 09/01/00 > >LI's between 1300 & 1700AEDST > >and anything else you think would be worth inclusion in the report which >will go up on MSC when I get half a chance to get it all together & get the >Snappy working for an image or 3. > > >Jane ONeill >ASWA - Victoria > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 034 From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:04:45 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As far as I know it is farmers term for any general funnel, even dust devils and landspouts. But like many old weather terms is rarely used these days. For example Brickfielder and Black North Easter, even the old southerly buster is starting to be heard less frequently. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hardy [mhardy at theweather.com.au] To: Weather Junkies [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Sent: Monday, 10 January 2000 17:18 Subject: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob > Hi all > Does anybody know what a Cockeyed Bob is? I heard it referred to in the > context of a tornado but I have never heard such an odd term for a tornado. > Regards, Mark > _____________________________________________________ > Mark Hardy. > The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. > Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060 > Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536. > Mobile 0414 642 739 > email: mhardy at theweather.com.au > _____________________________________________________ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 035 From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:08:52 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I loved this story, great stuff !!! > A small story goes: > There was an old farmer living in the middle of no-where, called Bob. Bob > had a crook eye, it was poked out by a crow when he was a small boy. One > day during a very severe thunderstorm he went into town proclaiming there > was a tornado on the way, but a few hours later nothing had happened to the > town. So Bob went back home. The next severe storm came through and Bob > rushed into town once again and proclaimed there was another tornado on the > way, but yet again nothing happened. The towns people became sick of old > Bob always proclaiming there was a tornado when there wasn't, so from then > on they took no notice of Bob. > A few years passed and Bob still went into town proclaiming of a tornado, > but no one took notice, so bob said to the towns people, the next severe > storm that passes by will have my name on it. > A few months passed and a severe storm was heading towards the town, but > Bob was not in sight, the towns people thought it strange, but continued on > with their business. A few hours passed and a huge tornado ripped through > the town almost destroying everything. Everyone remembered what old Bob had > said about his name being on the next storm, so from then on, Tornados were > called Cockeyed Bobs in memory of Bob the old cockeyed farmer. > If your wondering what happened to Bob, his body was found a few days later > in the wreckage of his home, which was also destroyed by the tornado. > > Hope that helps :) > > regards > > > > > At 05:18 PM 10/01/00 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi all > >Does anybody know what a Cockeyed Bob is? I heard it referred to in the > >context of a tornado but I have never heard such an odd term for a tornado. > >Regards, Mark > >_____________________________________________________ > >Mark Hardy. > >The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. > >Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060 > >Ph (02) 9955 7704. Fax (02) 9955 1536. > >Mobile 0414 642 739 > >email: mhardy at theweather.com.au > >_____________________________________________________ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > Andrew Wall > 15 Elio Drv, > Paralowie, 5108 > South Australia. > PH (home) - (08) 82854590 > > > State representative for S.A. and N.T. Division of the Australian Severe > Weather Association Inc. > Webmaster of The official South Australian Severe Weather watch homepage. > South Australian Severe Weather page - http://sastorms.virtualave.net > ASWA Inc. - http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 036 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:42:11 +0000 From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Organization: Cosmic EuroCon Ltd. - note all times in GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ABC-TV Oklahoma Tornadoes Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote: > Order "May's Furry" from the web site I gave sometime back. You will see > awesome video, some of which will be shown in this program. Watch the > Cricket! Tornadoes or cricket ..... tornadoes win, no contest! Anyhow England is good for tornadoes, no good for cricket Les(UK) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 037 From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Lightning over the Brindabellas Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:05:59 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Nice lightning show currently over the Brindabellas (sw of Canberra) at 10pm EDT Monday - with cells in that area briefly into the red.

Most cells over SE Aust today seemed to move from the SE to the NW - opposite to the more commonly observed NW to SE movement - presumably a product of a weak middle/upper level disturbance over the central and eastern Tasman.

Patrick

038 From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Pics & reports Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:08:16 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ok, I'm going to apologise here for taking so long to get any sort of report / picture / Snappy video capture up on the net for you all to drool over Excuse No 1: the Snappy doesn't want to work & I have to find out why, it worked once but it doesn't want to work now Excuse 2: um, I went storm chasing again tonight (oh, and also this afternoon while I was at work, I spent a bit of time up on the hill over the river taking photos ). Tonight I chased the storm (multicell of spectacular origin & proportion) & Andrew McDonald sat under the storm - I photographed it from various parts of the Melbourne CBD - south Burwood, Donvale & Doncaster Shoppingtown for those in the know - & Andrew rang me & made the appropriate 'storm chaser' noises when cg's hit the ground 2 kms away from him. We gave up and went home when it got dark. The dog's not talking to me, he's forgotten who I am......... Excuse 3: I was too stuffed yesterday when I got home Excuse 4: do I need any more excuses ??? I'm working on it, I'll get there, but it won't be tomorrow - oh, and we got a report about the tornado on the FRONT PAGE of the Geelong Advertiser - Lindsay Smail is posting me a copy & I'll scan that & get it up too.......can we have a couple of days of no storms so I can do all this - I've gotta drop a video off at Ray Kollmorgen's house tomorrow night and I haven't done that yet Thanks to everyone who said congratulations to me - but it really was a team effort & YAY!!!!! ASWA for making things like this possible (and probable). OK, you've probably guessed that I'm tired from this rambling, but I did want to say that I'm doing something about it, but not tonight... Thanks for your patience, Jane ONeill ASWA - Victoria (none of this is to be reporduced in any form which may embarrass the author any more than she has already done tonight - OR ELSE) ------------------------------------------------------- Jane ONeill ASWA - Victoria Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.) Melbourne Storm Chasers Email: cadence at rubix.net.au ------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 039 X-Originating-IP: [203.35.254.2] From: "David Croan" [wxbustchase at hotmail.com] To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cockeyed Bob Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:45:45 EST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Mark Hardy wrote: >Hi all > Does anybody know what a Cockeyed Bob is? I heard it referred to in the > context of a tornado but I have never heard such an odd term for a tornado. I recall Mark that the term 'cockeye bob' is used as slang for tornadoes although it also used more generally for thunderstorms. The name is thought to derive from the cockeyed appearance of the anvil (??) - perhaps it (the anvil) does after you have had one too many bevvies. It seems to be most widely used in WA, which I suppose is not surprising given that the southwest of WA 'seems' to have a higher frequency of tornadoes Dave. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------