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001 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) forecast loop
002 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] And you thought Twister was bad?
003 Mark Dwyer [mjd at wantree.com.au] Site Upgrade Part 1
004 "Pearce" [r_pearce at Dingoblue.net.au] NSW chase
005 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Telegraph Article, January 6
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Good snow towns for chases...
007 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Re: More Snow Thoughts...
008 Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au] Good snow towns for chases...
009 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au] SE Qld STA
010 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. And you thought Twister was bad?
011 Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au Good snow towns for chases...
012 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] SE QLD Storm Warning
013 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] And you thought Twister was bad?
014 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] And you thought Twister was bad?
015 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Re: More Snow Thoughts...
016 "James Harris" [jimbohar at hotmail.com] NTHN NSW STA
017 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] NSW chase update 1pm & STA
018 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] SE QLD Chase
019 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Telegraph Article, January 6
020 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Good snow towns for chases...
021 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] HAIL jimmy !!!
022 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] SE QLD Storm Warning
023 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au Good snow towns for chases...
024 Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au] Good snow towns for chases...
025 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] SE QLD Storms
026 Dion Williams [onamission at start.com.au] Sydney... bored again
027 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] ASWA Minor Flood Warning Northern NSW
028 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] AR-22 1999-2000: Weather Services in the BoM - comments.
029 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Summer - what summer?
030 "Zac" [mnk at Dingoblue.net.au] Sydney... bored again
031 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Good snow towns for chases...
032 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] And you thought Twister was bad?
033 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] Re: aussie-weather-digest V1 #445
034 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Telegraph Article, January 6
035 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Good snow towns for chases...
036 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] WA storms of 14/1/00
037 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] more hail in NSW
038 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] SE QLD Storm Warning
039 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] SE QLD Storm Warning
040 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Sydney... bored again
041 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] SE QLD Storm Chase
042 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] One last thing...
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001
From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: forecast loop
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:46:20 GMT
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Looks great, Steve. All you need to do now is some programming to
automatically update it as each new run becomes available ;-)
Laurier
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:49:45 +1000, steve baynham
wrote:
>hey all
>put this together this arvo
>its approx 500k but ya can see all the models for each 12 hr interval, and compare.
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/images/loop.gif
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>cyase
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:41:58 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Jonty Hall wrote:
Hi Folks,
Actually Les (UK) TCs that form east of 140W in the Eastern North Pacific
are named (if they become strong enough of course) by the National
Hurricane Centre in Miami FL, and are known as hurricanes.
I didn't know that at all - I always believed Atlantic = hurricane,
N. Pacific = typhoon,
S. Pacific = cyclone. Except in the UK when a deep area of low pressure
forming in the English Channel moving off to demolish a big chunk of France
is called a "hurricane" by the press rather than "bloody nasty little low"
or "temperate / mid latitude revolving storm"
TC or tropical revolving storm should be adopted universally IMHO then
reasonably good amateurs like me don't make fools of themselves!
Hey, I'm not thinking here - of course they are typhoons - but I'll
blame aus-wx for all this TC talk (:
Anyhow did LA get hit by this cat. 6 <g> hurricane or not???
the suspense is killing me (:
Les (UK)
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Les Crossan
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W
UK Storm Chaser
Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)- Victoria
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Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK
Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK
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Email: les.NOSPAMcrossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM)
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003
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:51:44 +0800
From: Mark Dwyer [mjd at wantree.com.au]
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Hi All,
MJ from Perth here with another update to the site, well
part 1 of the update, lol. Got some very nice pic's of the last Sunset
for the last Millenium from Perth WA The Art Gallery is a new addition
to the site also with what i think are the best photo's i have atm, More
to come ...will it ever end. Also u will find the rest of the
pictures in the Pictures By Date section.
http://users.wantree.com.au/~mjd/index.htm <-- Front Page & New
Pictures
http://users.wantree.com.au/~mjd/photography/artgallery.htm <--- The Art
Gallery
http://users.wantree.com.au/~mjd/photography/picbydate.htm <--- Pictures
By Date Pages 1 through 5 atm..
Enjoy the look around, and vist the Guestbook, Ta
Catch Ya's all latter in Irc, MJ
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From: "Pearce" [r_pearce at Dingoblue.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: NSW chase
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:46:04 +1100
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Hi all
Jimmy and I are heading for the Northern Tablelands of NSW today and staying
overnight somewhere around Glen Innes. Conditions look reasonable so here's
hoping for something!
We would appreciate updates over the 2 days and as we will be in separate
cars, pls ring both numbers with any info. Thanks a lot.
My mobile no is 0417685086
Jimmy's is 0408020468
Matthew Pearce
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:16:34 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Telegraph Article, January 6
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Jimmy:
> I have heard reports about this that perhaps even though heating may
occur,
> it may provide a feedback mechanism to induce cooling. It is quite
possible
> that this has happened in past climates. Well we hope this is the case...
>
> Jimmy Deguara
Possibly........via increases in cloudiness.......we shall see......[S]
Les
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Phones: 816-213-3237,
816-373-3533
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:29:13 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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For those in the know...What would the township of Black Springs
(altitude around 1200?) be like in a good snow fall? I'd forgotten about
this little town south of Oberon as a possible way into Shooters Hill
area if there was a really heavy dump like last year.
I think there's a road (Riverview road?) that connects through to
Shooters Hill from Black Springs and I was wondering if the altitude
stays pretty much at 1200 metres along here or if there is a drop in
elevation etc.
I know its very early days but I want to be really prepared this year to
reach the best spots, if I get the chance to go chasing.
Lindsay Pearce.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:55:12 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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For Don, Laurier, Michael Scollay, Dr David and others in the know...
I'm curious to know of the chances of those "Blocking Highs" eventuating
again like they did last winter, preventing maturing cold fronts from
reaching the south east. Apparently someone said last year (was it Don
in the Telegraph?) that such a predominant blocking pattern happens only
once every five
years or so.
Anyway, just wondering as I'm starting to get a bit excited for this
years snow season what with all of the moisture about etc. After all, we
can get snow in April here so, really, its not that far away.
Lindsay P.
Apologies to our Northern Australia friends or indeed, our Adelaide
friends considering their temps today (Monday) for talking about snow
just now, but hey, its exciting when you live at altitude in Oz!
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008
From: Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Good snow towns for chases...
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:55:51 +1100
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G'day,
I was wondering what the purpose of the chases you do in winter are for and
which state you are in (sorry new to the list). I am an avid snow chaser and
had very sucessfull trips last year (have some awesome photos from a snow
storm in may).
Cheers,
Lyle
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From: Lindsay [mailto:writer at lisp.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January 2000 3:29
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Subject: aus-wx: Good snow towns for chases...
For those in the know...What would the township of Black Springs
(altitude around 1200?) be like in a good snow fall? I'd forgotten about
this little town south of Oberon as a possible way into Shooters Hill
area if there was a really heavy dump like last year.
I think there's a road (Riverview road?) that connects through to
Shooters Hill from Black Springs and I was wondering if the altitude
stays pretty much at 1200 metres along here or if there is a drop in
elevation etc.
I know its very early days but I want to be really prepared this year to
reach the best spots, if I get the chance to go chasing.
Lindsay Pearce.
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: SE Qld STA
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:48:39 +1000
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PRIORITY
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
at 10:06am EST on Monday the 17th of January 2000
For the southeast coast district.
The Bureau of Meteorology advises people that thunderstorms will develop
across
the eastern Darling Downs and south-east coast during the afternoon and
evening.
There is a strong possibility that some of these storms may become severe
and
produce damaging winds and hail over the eastern Darling Downs and
south-east
coast district.
If severe thunderstorms develop then severe thunderstorm warnings will be
issued.
Regards
James Chambers
The Brisbane & SE Qld Storm Site
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
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010
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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[snip Ac discussion about lousy weather movie]
Les Crossan wrote on Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:28:41 +0000:
>
> Eh??? If it wasn't for the greenhouse effect we'd bake during the daytime and
> freeze at night... the jury is still out on this one. It's only twenty - odd
> years ago that they were all predicting that we'd freeze to death then get
> buried under 40 feet of ice... due to the next Ice age!
>
> Planet Earth has always had a greenhouse effect, it's not due to recent carbon
> dioxide from factories, methane from McDonalds cow ranches in Brazil or
> whatever is the current trendy "greenhouse gas".
Hey amigos! Este negocio del invernadero no es alrededor si o no tenemos
un efecto del invernadero, �l est� sobre cu�nto es una buena o mala cosa.
Ahora tom�mosnos los pescadores peruanos. Hemos sabido sobre "El Ni�o -
La Ni�a" ciclo del tiempo para las generaciones. Ahora, o�mos que esta
gente en Australia llamada el "CSIRO" ha encontrado que "El ni�o" sucede
m�s aprisa con hasta una subida 6C de calentarse global. Ahora estamos
pensando de nombrar "El Ni�o" "El Huevo". Entienda?
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:02:36 +1100
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From: Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Good snow towns for chases...
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At 10:55 AM 17-01-2000 +1100, you wrote:
>G'day,
>
>I was wondering what the purpose of the chases you do in winter are for and
>which state you are in (sorry new to the list). I am an avid snow chaser and
>had very sucessfull trips last year (have some awesome photos from a snow
>storm in may).
Best snow storm I've ever seen was in December! I was out on a walk on the
Western Arthur Range (Tasmania), and we had an extended forecast that
probably saved our lives! The temperature was in the high 20s one moment,
then it started to rain, the rain turned to hail and the hail to snow in a
matter of approximately 30 minutes. It snowed solidly for 48 hours. If we
hadn't been expecting the cold front to pass and stayed put in the
campsite, the snow would have caught us several hours walk from the nearest
place to pitch a tent. Needless to say visibility turned to 2-3 meters, and
the wind made it almost impossible to walk! We also had some good lightning
and thunder while it was hailing.
The experience of seeing a lightning bolt (and hearing the clap of thunder)
hit a tree barely 50 meters from the tent, inside a glacial cirque, and
surrounded by 200m vertical walls which amplified the sound very many
times, is something I won't ever forget!
Miguel de Salas
School of Plant Science,
University of Tasmania,
PO Box 252-55, Sandy Bay, Hobart
Tasmania, Australia, 7001.
mailto://mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au
My Moths Page:
http://members.xoom.com/migueldes/moths/moths.html
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:00:39 +1100
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Hi Everyone,
This was issued by the BOM a short time ago - if we get storms today
then that would make 6 days in a row with storms in SE QLD.. maybe the
season is making a bit of a comeback..
PRIORITY
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
at 10:06am EST on Monday the 17th of January 2000
For the southeast coast district.
The Bureau of Meteorology advises people that thunderstorms will develop
across
the eastern Darling Downs and south-east coast during the afternoon and
evening.
There is a strong possibility that some of these storms may become
severe and
produce damaging winds and hail over the eastern Darling Downs and
south-east
coast district.
If severe thunderstorms develop then severe thunderstorm warnings will
be
issued.
Updated information will be issued throughout the afternoon on radio and
will be
available by telephone on
1196 for the cost of a local call and on 1900 969 921 at 75 cents per
minute.
People in the threatened areas should consider what action they may need
to take
to prevent injuries and minimise damage if severe thunderstorms develop.
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I think i speak for everyone when i say "huh?" :)
>
>Hey amigos! Este negocio del invernadero no es alrededor si o no tenemos
>un efecto del invernadero, �l est� sobre cu�nto es una buena o mala cosa.
>
>Ahora tom�mosnos los pescadores peruanos. Hemos sabido sobre "El Ni�o -
>La Ni�a" ciclo del tiempo para las generaciones. Ahora, o�mos que esta
>gente en Australia llamada el "CSIRO" ha encontrado que "El ni�o" sucede
>m�s aprisa con hasta una subida 6C de calentarse global. Ahora estamos
>pensando de nombrar "El Ni�o" "El Huevo". Entienda?
>
>Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: And you thought Twister was bad?
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:43:25 +1100 (EST)
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>
> Hi Les, Les and all
>
> "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> >
> > Les, Anthony and all:
>
> > > .... cat 5 hurricane heading for Los Angeles? Presumably across the USA.
> > Has
> > > this ever happened? Has LA ever had any TC's? Les Lemon, HELP!
> > >
> >
> > Not to my knowledge, Les. But am not positive on this. It is very
> > possible that rain from remnants of a TC might have at one point in the
> > past actually affected LA but I just am not sure.
>
>
> I have a hunch this movie was sparked off by Hurricane Linda in
> September, 1997 This from memory, was one of the most powerful eastern
> pacific hurricanes on record, it was Cat 5 with winds of 160kn (I can't
> recall if this is sustained or gusts, but I think it's sustained...)
Sustained - and it was, at its peak, the strongest East Pacific
hurricane on record.
> The hurricane was able to form from an extremely warm tongue of water
> that was attributed to El Nino. I believe SST's were around 30-31C.
Nothing unusual about hurricanes off western Mexico, El Nino or no
El Nino...
There was one track forecast which had Linda making landfall near Los
Angeles about 72 hours out (as a Category 3, IIRC). Of course, we all
know how reliable 72-hour TC forecasts are...
> Interestingly though, the waters off Los Angeles were quite cold, 23-24C
> from memory? Mind you, the storm stayed well away from the US mainland
> at max intensity (which ties into the movie as it originally formed off
> Mexico like Linda did). The other piece of 'evidence' is that the
> hurricane in the movie is called "Hurricane Elizabeth" which would
> possibly tie into "Linda" if you use your imgination :-)
Note that the SSTs off the California coast, although cool, were way
above normal - climatology in this region is closer to 18C - this was
the only thing which made the scenario of Linda reaching LA even
vaguely plausible. As someone who isn't an expert on such matters
I'd imagine that a hurricane could survive a shortish passage over
24C water if other factors were favourable (any comments, Jonty?).
I believe that, on rare occasions (once or twice per century?), decaying
tropical systems have reached southern California, bringing rain but
little else (any summer rain is a major event in that part of the
world!). A more common scenario is that a system goes up the gulf
(whose name I have forgotten) between the Baja California peninsula
and the Mexican mainland, surviving long enough to bring rain to
south-east California and southern Arizona.
The headline-writers would have had a field day had Linda actually
hit Los Angeles - 'Linda Does LA' was apparently the name of one of
the offerings of the ACT movie industry...
As for the original review of the video, I'm reminded of a review of
a made-for-TV movie which came out just before 'Twister', which
someone posted to sci.geo.meteorology: 'I could get a better vortex
in my toilet, which is where this film belongs'.
Blair Trewin
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> For Don, Laurier, Michael Scollay, Dr David and others in the know...
>
> I'm curious to know of the chances of those "Blocking Highs" eventuating
> again like they did last winter...[snip]
Sorry Lindsay. I don't issue forecasts of this nature until after
the season:-) On a more serious note, watch the SST's more closely,
particularly below 20S, west of WA, in the Tasman and to the south.
There is a reasonable correllation between the passage of weather
systems and the nature of the SST's. I've yet to decide in detail
what is ideal for good snow and what is a disaster. Too much warm
water in the Tasman can be really bad for snow. Too cold can create
those "blocking highs". In-between is just about right. A strong
La Ni�a or El Ni�o is also counter-productive. In-between again
is just about right with a hint of La Ni�a. To much La Ni�a
brings too much warm-moist air ahead of cold fronts bringing
rain instead of snow. Too much El Ni�o is basically a drought.
Of course, as in weather, there are some notable exceptions.
All things considered equal, consider everything...
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Hey All.
This just out from the BOM. I have tried calling Matt and Jimmy who are
apparantly up that way as there is some nice cells on radar including one
near Narrabri that seems to be splitting with a left mover. Sydney on the
other hand ....well I think We will have to wait for wednesday when the next
trough pushes over us. LI's arent that low yet (around -2) but still its
early days.
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Hi all,
Jimmy is just out of Tamworth heading NE along the New England Highway,
Matthew is north of Murrurundi.
Jimmy says he can see the strong storm about 100ks NNW of Tamworth, while
cu is popping up everywhere.
Mobile phone were out for a while there, but you can give updates now on:
Matthew Pearce 0417685086
Jimmy Deguara 0408020468
and this just issued by the BoM:
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forecast to become more widespread this afternoon. Some of these are
expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, destructive winds and very
heavy rainfall.
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Hi all,
I can't go very far (again!) today, but I'll be heading down to Boonah,
possibly Warwick if it looks good down there!
My mobile number is 0417 759 304 - any updates would be appreciated :)
Some nice cells down south in NE NSW, Jimmy has "cells everywhere" -
tried phoning Matt Pearce, but had to leave a message.
Thanks - much appreciated!
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Telegraph Article, January 6
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>
> Jimmy:
>
> > I have heard reports about this that perhaps even though heating may
> occur,
> > it may provide a feedback mechanism to induce cooling. It is quite
> possible
> > that this has happened in past climates. Well we hope this is the case...
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
>
> Possibly........via increases in cloudiness.......we shall see......[S]
>
> Les
It's more likely that Jimmy's thinking of possible regional cooling
arising from changes in ocean currents - this has certainly been the
subject of much speculation with respect to the Gulf Stream. A
weakening or movement of the Gulf Stream would certainly have an impact
on the climate of north-western Europe, particularly the more exposed
parts (e.g. the British Isles, Norway and Iceland - where it reached
16 C a couple of days ago!)
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Good snow towns for chases...
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>
> For those in the know...What would the township of Black Springs
> (altitude around 1200?) be like in a good snow fall? I'd forgotten about
> this little town south of Oberon as a possible way into Shooters Hill
> area if there was a really heavy dump like last year.
>
> I think there's a road (Riverview road?) that connects through to
> Shooters Hill from Black Springs and I was wondering if the altitude
> stays pretty much at 1200 metres along here or if there is a drop in
> elevation etc.
>
> I know its very early days but I want to be really prepared this year to
> reach the best spots, if I get the chance to go chasing.
>
One would expect Black Springs to be a good place to go in a decent
snowfall. I don't know the exact altitude - get hold of a 1:100000
map if you get a chance. This would be the highest terrain accessible
by road in the central Tablelands.
Moving further afield, the Snowy Mountains are obviously a good place
to go for snow. Outside them, from Canberra it's possible to get to
1500-1600 metres by road in the Brindabellas (although this road
sometimes closes during snow), and the main Namadgi road reaches 1400.
For south-easterly snow events (less so for south-westerly, as it's
in a rainshadow for that direction) two roads south-east of Canberra
reach 1200 metres or so - the Captains Flat-Jerangle-Bredbo road
and the Braidwood-Cooma road. The Monaro Highway near Nimmitabel peaks
at around 1100, as do routes south and east from Jindabyne.
(All of the above, except the Monaro Highway, are partly gravel roads,
which adds its own complications, especially in snow).
In Victoria, there are many options north-east and east of Melbourne,
although I'd expect that many of the roads are poor judging by the
map (I've never been into the area east of Warburton).
If a cold outbreak is intense enough (not last year!), a good route
near Melbourne would be some variation on Ballan-Daylesford-Trentham-
Woodend, which is at 600-800 metres for most of its length.
Of course, if we ever see a repeat performance of 1900 or 1901, the
Hume Highway will suffice :-)
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He's in some hail right now (2.39pm) at Black Mountain, 30ks north of
Armidale - it was small, but just got bigger as he rang me - I could hear
it. More detail to come when he finishes videoing.
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From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Yo Ben,
What state have you been in? I have only heard one distant rumble in the
last 6 days (maybe I have been working too hard!!). Some promising dev on
the border ranges now though.
John.
>snip
Hi Everyone,
if we get storms today then that would make 6 days in a row with storms in
SE QLD.. maybe the season is making a bit of a comeback..
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Good snow towns for chases...
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Also the Scone Road through Barrington Tops at 1500m is good for a snow chase -
but only if you have a 4wd in periods of heavy snow.
Road is accessible either through Gloucester or Scone. I happened to be there
in spring when a particularly vicious SE'ers storm hit causing snow to fall -
and almost stranding me at the top in freezing conditions (being in a 2wd
vehicle.)
Paul.
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>
> For those in the know...What would the township of Black Springs
> (altitude around 1200?) be like in a good snow fall? I'd forgotten about
> this little town south of Oberon as a possible way into Shooters Hill
> area if there was a really heavy dump like last year.
>
> I think there's a road (Riverview road?) that connects through to
> Shooters Hill from Black Springs and I was wondering if the altitude
> stays pretty much at 1200 metres along here or if there is a drop in
> elevation etc.
>
> I know its very early days but I want to be really prepared this year to
> reach the best spots, if I get the chance to go chasing.
>
One would expect Black Springs to be a good place to go in a decent
snowfall. I don't know the exact altitude - get hold of a 1:100000
map if you get a chance. This would be the highest terrain accessible
by road in the central Tablelands.
Moving further afield, the Snowy Mountains are obviously a good place
to go for snow. Outside them, from Canberra it's possible to get to
1500-1600 metres by road in the Brindabellas (although this road
sometimes closes during snow), and the main Namadgi road reaches 1400.
For south-easterly snow events (less so for south-westerly, as it's
in a rainshadow for that direction) two roads south-east of Canberra
reach 1200 metres or so - the Captains Flat-Jerangle-Bredbo road
and the Braidwood-Cooma road. The Monaro Highway near Nimmitabel peaks
at around 1100, as do routes south and east from Jindabyne.
(All of the above, except the Monaro Highway, are partly gravel roads,
which adds its own complications, especially in snow).
In Victoria, there are many options north-east and east of Melbourne,
although I'd expect that many of the roads are poor judging by the
map (I've never been into the area east of Warburton).
If a cold outbreak is intense enough (not last year!), a good route
near Melbourne would be some variation on Ballan-Daylesford-Trentham-
Woodend, which is at 600-800 metres for most of its length.
Of course, if we ever see a repeat performance of 1900 or 1901, the
Hume Highway will suffice :-)
Blair Trewin
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From: Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au]
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A comment on gravel roads;
For snow/ice conditions, gravel roads are MUCH better to drive on as the
gravel will break up the ice from underneath, give more grip to bite and
allow much better seppage into the ground, reducing the snow cover much
quicker (very important for the first few days following a storm). Of
course, if it dumps over 1 meter, you'll want an oversnow vehicle (we got
50+cm in Wanaka NZ (alt 200m) this season - biggest dump in 25 years)!
> In Victoria, there are many options north-east and east of Melbourne,
> although I'd expect that many of the roads are poor judging by the
> map (I've never been into the area east of Warburton).
> If a cold outbreak is intense enough (not last year!), a good route
> near Melbourne would be some variation on Ballan-Daylesford-Trentham-
> Woodend, which is at 600-800 metres for most of its length.
Last year, in May, a strong southerly braught snow to Mt Baw Baw (Gippsland,
Victoria) down to about 500 meters. No/little snow fell north of the divide.
Worth mentioing that the US models had forecast snow to 800m 5 days prior,
giving me and my mates time to get prepared. We headed off the day prior to
the snow event so to get the best lines, we knew a dump like this would not
be a secret for long. Went it came, it was colder than expected with
~50cm at summit of very dry snow. We had to hike 3km up the hill just to get to
the base of the resort b/c the snow was so deep on the road, needless to say
at that time of year, no ploughs were running, especially not at 6am! But we
had a good 8 hours of snowboarding in that day and the channel 9 hellicopter
came down to take photos of everyone (there were about 60 riders on the
mountain by lunch time).
Though, last year i went boaridng in April at Mt Baw Baw due to another
southerly, not as good but still 20-25cm at summit. This was a proud monment
because we were alone on the field and were sure that we would have been the
first people to ride in 1999, in Australia.
Cheers,
Lyle
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Hi All,
Nice little cell just South of Warwick, has been red for over half an hour,
but not really moving very much, only slowly North, still, looks like
Warwick will get a good pummelling. At this rainfall rate and slow
movement, they may get close to 100mm.
John.
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And for the second day in a row the promise of afternoon storms
fizzles away to an outbreak of F5 drizzle. Much more cheering to look
at the Energex tracker which shows SE Queensland going gangbusters as
of 4:45pm EDST. Hope Matt Pearce and Jimmy are in the thick of it!
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Minor Flood Warning Northern NSW
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People on the list should be very careful when using the term 'warning'
- if ASWA puts out anything which purports to be a public warning it's
likely to be exactly the sort of thing that upsets people at the
Bureau, which is presumably not what ASWA is trying to achieve.
I'm sure most people here can work out what sort of confusion is
likely to arise if multiple organisations are issuing separate
(and possibly conflicting) warnings (and even in those countries, like
the US and NZ, with large commercial forecasting operations, the
national meteorological service retains the sole authority to issue
warnings).
I don't think anyone would have a problem with a heading like
'Flooding possible in Richmond River system' and text along the lines
of 'if X happens then I expect the Bureau will issue a flood warning...'
(What is below is actually more akin to a Potential Flood Alert/
Flood Watch - which some, but not all, states now put on the
'warnings' section of the Bureau's external web page).
Blair Trewin
> Halden Boyd ASWA puts out the following to aus-wx people:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> *******MINOR FLOOD WARNING for the RICHMOND RIVER SYSTEM********
> (NORTH ARM WILSONS RIVER)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Consistent rainfall in the Richmond (Wilsons River) catchment since April
> 1999 which has saturated the water table, and new precipitation over the
> past 24 hours....and what will be dumped on it tonight from a low I have
> predicted (for the last 3 days) forming off the northern NSW coast will lead
> to a minor flooding in the Lismore region, especially upstream from the
> city. A minor flood warning will be issued from the BOM over the next 24
> hours for the area.
> Regards Halden Boyd
> Australian Severe Weather Association
>
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: AR-22 1999-2000: Weather Services in the BoM - comments.
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The reaction to this report in the Bureau, at least amongst those
whom I've talked to, seemed fairly ho-hum - we all know that there
are those within the Liberals who would love to make us as commercial
as possible, but it's unlikely to happen as long as the Nationals
have a significant role in government, given their rural base. (It
would have been a rather different story had the Liberals won in 1993
- a full-scale NZ-style commercialisation was party policy then).
I was also under the impression that transaction charging was intended
to be in addition to subscription options, not instead of them (i.e.
frequent users would still have the option of subscribing for a time
period) - but am not up with the latest developments, nor do I know
how this would affect ASWA's arrangement.
Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Summer - what summer?
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> Christchurch's average daily maximum for January is 22 C. After 10 days =
> into the month, it hasn't yet reached that high. Indeed, on the 4th, it =
> only reached 10 C!. (could easily be a record for January - I'm not =
> sure) The situation on the 3rd and 4th (complex low east of South =
> Island) brought cold,wet weather to most of NZ. Snow fell briefly to as =
> low as 500 metres in one small area of Central Otago. Imagine the =
> snowstorm which might have occured if an identical situation happened in =
> mid-winter. What a way to usher in the century which is supposed one of =
> global warming.
I was wondering what impact the blocking high in the South Tasman
(one of the most persistent I can remember) had had on NZ weather.
What's happened since?
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Now looks like by Radar that the cell South of Warwick which has been Red
Like......Forever now appears like it will hit Warwick head on.
Max
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> And for the second day in a row the promise of afternoon storms
> fizzles away to an outbreak of F5 drizzle. Much more cheering to look
> at the Energex tracker which shows SE Queensland going gangbusters as
> of 4:45pm EDST. Hope Matt Pearce and Jimmy are in the thick of it!
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:32:14 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> For those in the know...What would the township of Black Springs
> (altitude around 1200?) be like in a good snow fall? I'd forgotten about
> this little town south of Oberon as a possible way into Shooters Hill
> area if there was a really heavy dump like last year...[snip]
Did this trip a long time ago and I remember the route to
be up through a number of state forest roads, though I may
have gone this way just to catch the highest elevations.
Ended up near the fire-tower on top of Shooters Hill still
with some snow-patches around a few days after a 10cm dump
in July. This forest road joined up to the one you mentioned
a few km north of the Shooters Hill community which then
joins the main Oberon-Shooters hill sealed road. Take a look
at the Shooters Hill cementery near there. It's really quite
interesting in a macabre sort of way and spooky with low
cloud and wind whistling down from the hill to the west...
Most of the route was un-sealed 2WD territory in good
conditions.
Incidently, I agree with Lyle about dirt roads being better
for snow/ice driving on a number of accounts;
1) Dirt roads freeze over earlier than sealed roads. This
gives more consistent road conditions as it's easier to
spot the difference between the melted and frozen stuff.
It is really difficult to spot "black ice" on a sealed
road.
2) A set of properly-fitted chains has a better chance of
breaking-through and thus gripping through snow/ice on a
dirt road than on a sealed road.
3) When it gets below -5C, it makes little difference as
each type of surface is about as hard and frozen through
as the other though dirt still has the edge when the snow
and ice is thinner.
4) Frozen-in pebbles etc. help the grip.
5) Driving in heavier, hard-packed dry snow with a dusty
dry, but packable topping that leaves a bit of tread
impression is actually quite nice and very quiet from
the road noise perspective. There's some grip to be had
but don't make changes quickly:-).
In November, 1998, I travelled to Perisher Valley (1730m)
and arrived about 9:00pm. Temperature was -3C with a light
fall of fresh snow (2.5 - 4cm). Worst road conditions were
coming down the road from Dainers Gap (1645m?). Black ice
under slush and fresh snow everywhere. Took it easy by
using first gear. As we climbed towards Perisher, it got
a bit colder and the snow became dryer. Driving was easy.
Getting up to the lodge was also easy despite ice under
the snow on a dirt road just above Packer's Palace. This
snow was now "grippy" and didn't need chains. We were
lucky. Have you ever tried fitting chains at night on a
wet and freezing road-side? Not fun. Believe me:-)
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:30:58 +0000
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Michael Scollay wrote:
> Hey amigos! Este negocio del invernadero no es alrededor si o no tenemos
> un efecto del invernadero, �l est� sobre cu�nto es una buena o mala cosa.
>
> Ahora tom�mosnos los pescadores peruanos. Hemos sabido sobre "El Ni�o -
> La Ni�a" ciclo del tiempo para las generaciones. Ahora, o�mos que esta
> gente en Australia llamada el "CSIRO" ha encontrado que "El ni�o" sucede
> m�s aprisa con hasta una subida 6C de calentarse global. Ahora estamos
> pensando de nombrar "El Ni�o" "El Huevo". Entienda?
>
Huh????
(:
Les (UK)
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> I was wondering what impact the blocking high in the South Tasman
> (one of the most persistent I can remember) had had on NZ weather.
> What's happened since?
>
> Blair Trewin
Things have settled down over the past week, though until today, it's still
been cooler than usual in Christchurch. Today, however, it got to 25 C - I
think the first time this month it has risen above normal!. Forecast for
tomorrow is a return to cool southerlies though, but this time the fine
weather should return on Wednesday.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:45:58 +0000
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Blair Trewin wrote:
>(e.g. the British Isles, Norway and Iceland - where it reached 16 C a couple of
days ago!)
15.9C at Hjardarnes, Iceland - this so called Bartlett High (warm area of high
pressure aka "slug" )has been meandering around the British Isles for quite a
while now kiling all chance of halfway decent weather.... this thing could hang
around for weeks / months ):
Plenty discussion on Bartlett Highs on uk.sci.weather.
No real evidence of the Gulf Stream / North Atlantic Drift wanting to change
course at present...
Les
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Good snow towns for chases...
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Because it's there. Actually snow is that rare at low altitudes in Australia
that it is a frill to score snow outside the traditional areas. Add to that
the fact that I have seen snow perhaps a dozen times, but only twice seen
snow develop from rain ( and no snow on the ground ).
Michael
> I was wondering what the purpose of the chases you do in winter are for
and
> which state you are in (sorry new to the list). I am an avid snow chaser
and
> had very sucessfull trips last year (have some awesome photos from a snow
> storm in may).
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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This area has seen this sort of weather before. I forget when ( many years
ago ) but there was that Cocklebiddy Cave event that trapped cavers.
Michael
> I've written up this event at
> http://ausweather.simplenet.com/news/news0001.html#14
>
> Some of the 24 hour rainfall totals to 9am on the 15th seem likely to
> break previous records, and are quite amazing for southern WA in
> mid-summer. Balladonia's reported 80.6mm, if true, is an all-time
> record for the station, which has about 75 years complete record
> dating back to 1891. Given some of the other falls in southeastern WA
> (Truro, south of Lake King, 82mm, Coolgardie PO 72.8, Hopetoun North,
> south of Ravensthorpe, 71), and looking at the satpix, the report
> seems credible.
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Hi All,
Jimmy and Matthew called from Inverell in N NSW - hail measured up to 3.5cm
diameter fell about 20ks east of Inverell at 6.30pm from a strong storm
cell tracking N. I have not seen the radar (if there was any due to the
outage ?) of the event, but guessing it would have looked interesting.
They will be staying at Inverell tonight.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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I can't resist..that's one more than me here in the Illawarra !
Serious drizzle this morning though, and around 10mm overnight, which
despite the wet, wet, wet summer attitude of the media leaves us to still
way below average.
Michael
> What state have you been in? I have only heard one distant rumble in the
> last 6 days (maybe I have been working too hard!!). Some promising dev on
> the border ranges now though.
>
> John.
> >snip
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> if we get storms today then that would make 6 days in a row with storms in
> SE QLD.. maybe the season is making a bit of a comeback..
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:52:23 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi John, everyone..
Queesnland :P There have been quite a few storms around since January
12, but nothing too major.. i have seen anvils every day since though..
most days have been the kind of days that if you look out the window at
the wrong time, you could easily not bother looking out again for most
of the day.. most of the storms were also a bit too far away for my digi
cam to pick up (it really doesn't like distant anvil shots), but i
manage to get a snap of this weak storm on the 15th
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/assor/15-01-2000/15-01-200003.htm
I have taken other pictures over the last few days, and i have added
them to a new section at BSCH called "The Recent Events Picture Gallery"
linked to from the Recent Events section.. this is simply a place that i
can put any digi cam pics i take on days that do not require a recent
events report..
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/products/recentevents.htm
There are some pictures there from most days since January 12, plus some
from today which i will add later tonight..
Quite tame on the northside of Brisbane today though.. mid and high
level cloud gradually thickened up during the afternoon, and i now have
light/moderate rain and a rumble of thunder every few mins.. not what i
was hoping for! But it should tie me over until late this week/over the
weekend when we probably have a better chance of something in Brisbane
itself..
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Yo Ben,
>
> What state have you been in? I have only heard one distant rumble in the
> last 6 days (maybe I have been working too hard!!). Some promising dev on
> the border ranges now though.
>
> John.
> >snip
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
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> SE QLD.. maybe the season is making a bit of a comeback..
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:14:27 +1100
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Hi Max, everyone..
Warwick recorded a 44 knot (around 85km/h) wind gust from that
Thunderstorm.. no hail reported, but the person i spoke to at the BOM
had only just got there, and didn't really have too much information for
me..
Zac wrote:
>
> Now looks like by Radar that the cell South of Warwick which has been Red
> Like......Forever now appears like it will hit Warwick head on.
>
> Max
>
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>
> > And for the second day in a row the promise of afternoon storms
> > fizzles away to an outbreak of F5 drizzle. Much more cheering to look
> > at the Energex tracker which shows SE Queensland going gangbusters as
> > of 4:45pm EDST. Hope Matt Pearce and Jimmy are in the thick of it!
> >
> > Dion
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:33:49 +1000
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Hi all,
I went down to Beaudesert to have a look at the potential storm
situation just after midday, I saw some brilliant TCU boil and break
through the cap over the back of the Gold Coast. The storms to the S
and SW were somewhat more gradual, buried under the heap of haze, and Ac
with some mixed ACCAS. None the less, it was extremely dark continually
to the SW, often going navy blue/green.
I saw an interesting lowerings over one of the cells, under the NW flank
from a good advantage point at Rathdowney (Captain Logan Lookout) - I
know everyone says they see interesting lowerings, but I'll get the
photos developed tomorrow and people can see what I mean. Difficult to
tell, but there appears to be slight rotation evident.
I shot north back to Beaudesert, and out to Boonah - with occassional,
but very nice CG's to my SW. I then meandered through the roads between
Ipswich-Boonah Rd and the Cunningham Hwy - some FANTASMAGORICAL CG's
(none on video tape btw, I was driving trying to get out of the
rain...funny enough, when I got home I *still* didn't get out of the
rain, I think it was following me!) They were so thick, and I've never
seen so many "zig-zaggy" ones (excuse technical term ) They were
generally white, but a few were pink - a few good cracks of thunder!
Unfortunately, what spoilt the rest of my little chase was that there
was continual precipitation ahead of the storms. A few people had made
mention of a big storm near Warwick, and I did see this from afar
(fantastic updrafts) - but decided against chasing it, as everything was
just forming into a rain band with too many cells forming! I got back
home at around 5:30pm.
Not a bad chase...I wanted to see a few more structual features though,
but the precip ahead of the main storms ruined all that.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:37:14 +1000
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Sorry about the second email, but I nearly forgot to thank the following
people for updates! Matthew Smith, Max King and Anthony Spierings -
your help and updates was very much appreciated!!!
--
Anthony Cornelius
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