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001 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Spectacular Storms (was: Storm North of Brisbane)
002 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] Strahan Weather
003 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Photos and report on Hunter storm chase, Jan 19
004 Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au] Oops!
005 Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au] Hurricane hunters
006 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Strahan Weather
007 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Evil computer models......
008 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Storm program on ABC TV at 7.30 tonight
009 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Mt Buller snow cam
010 "Paul Mossman" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] Still raining.........
011 "Anthony Spierings" [as029 at powerup.com.au] Spectacular Storms (was: Storm North of Brisbane)
012 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] Cloud band - was Storm program on ABC TV at 7.30 tonight
013 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] Storm program on ABC TV at 7.30 tonight
014 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Storm North of Brisbane
015 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Next Queensland ASWA Meeting
016 Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au] Hurricane hunters
017 Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au Strahan Weather
018 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] NGP teasers
019 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Strahan Weather
020 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Spectacular Storms (was: Storm North of Brisbane)
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001
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:15:33 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Spectacular Storms (was: Storm North of Brisbane)
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Ben:
Very nice shoots!!!
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Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist
Tel. 816-373-3533, 816-213-3237
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:07:28 +1100
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone
Some welcome rain, 40mm, here since Wednesday. It has been dry and dusty
from early December. There was decent fall of hail last night so would
expect a reasonable amount of snow above 800m.
7am temperature 8C.
Most of you on the list can say why you have thunderstorms.
Does anyone have thoughts (the big picture) on why Tasmania does not
have many?
Chas
Strahan Tasmania
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos and report on Hunter storm chase, Jan 19
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:00:14 +1100
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Great picture of a microburst, with 40C the evaporation would aid this. The
lightning pictures are also very good. Better than anything I have seen this
season.
Michael
> I have done a report and scanned in photos of the storm chase in the
Hunter
> (NSW) on January 19 with James Harris.
>
> http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/thunderstruck/2000/January19.htm
>
> I am sure all the storm buffs will love the photos!
>
> Matt Smith
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:56:38 +1000
From: Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au]
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Hey,
You'll probably need the URL for that site!
http://www.nc.noaa.gov/aoc/
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:55:01 +1000
From: Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au]
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Hi all,
Just found an interesting site on the NOAA's hurricane hunter aircraft....some cool photos and interesting info!
Maybe a bit off topic, but cool nonetheless!
Andrew.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strahan Weather
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:20:39 +1100
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Most mid to high latitude small Islands get very little storm activity,
although it varies. ( I think Britain probably outdoes Tasmania ). Lack of a
continental landmass and subsequent heating is one of many reasons. The
frequency would vary somewhat in Tasmania too. Worse than you the lower
Derwent River valley is probably the least thunderstorm prone area in
Australia. The mountains would get more storms than you.
> Most of you on the list can say why you have thunderstorms.
> Does anyone have thoughts (the big picture) on why Tasmania does not
> have many?
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Evil computer models......
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:49:10 +1100
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Those that read my annoying posts in the past will recall that I have said a
few times now that NGAPS always seems to go for the ' big play '. During
winter it torments us SE coast people with East Coast lows, most of which
never eventuate.
Is there any reason why NGAPS does this, is it something military - as in
wanting to know the worse possible outcomes for their warships, so that they
are prepared.
Michael
> Just having a lazy scan of the models and I stumbled upon a
> particularly evil one - NOGAPS - which seems to delight in
> tormenting us Northern People .......
>
> 144hr shows possible decent looking TC directly North of NT /
> Darwin............ fairly organised looking as well............. over
ocean
> winds of bet 30 - 50 knots, seas about 16ft or more, and formed in
> a broad area of instablity.
>
> Im sure it takes great delight in tormenting me........... as I always
> say - heres hoping!
>
> Paul.
>
> (will make for some interesting "mw" syndrome in the next few
> days)
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm program on ABC TV at 7.30 tonight
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:44:22 +1100
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The cloud band you talk about was visible on the sat' pic. It was a thin
streak, almost frontal looking on the pic ( although obviously different at
surface ). It went offshore between Nowra and Batemans Bay.
I was a tad disappointed in the violent planet episode tonight, I had made
a lovely cup of tea and settled down to enjoy it, I became bored towards
the end of the show, in fact I enjoyed The Bill much better, rare for me.
Michael
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From:
Patrick Tobin
Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2000
18:25
Subject: aus-wx: Storm program on ABC TV
at 7.30 tonight
Just a reminder that the ABC TV's This Violent
Planet series is featuring storms tonight at 7.30pm.
There should be some good shots of tornadoes,
cyclones, mid-latitude storms etc.
Just the tonic for those of us who haven't
seen a storm for a couple of months (mid-late this coming week may offer
something for SE Aust?)
Some nice cloud effects over Canberra with the jet stream
overhead this morning. Cirrus of all kinds (cirrostratus, cirrocumulus and
just plain cirrus) moved rapidly across the sky constantly changing shape as
they did. Just a pity the lower atmosphere wasn't a little more like
Brisbane's.
Patrick
009
From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Mt Buller snow cam
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:30:12 +1100
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A light dusting of snow overnight at Mt Buller it seems.
Dane
http://www.ski.com.au/info/snowcams/buller1.html
010
From: "Paul Mossman" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:18:35 +0930
Subject: aus-wx: Still raining.........
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Howdy all.
Another 77mm to 9am this morning takes this event well over
200mm in 3 days.
Alot of creeks now flooding at minor level - and it seems that this
"weak trough" which was supposed to be gone by last Friday still
has some kick in it.
Paul.
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From: "Anthony Spierings" [as029 at powerup.com.au]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Spectacular Storms (was: Storm North of Brisbane)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:06:07 +1000
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Hi Ben,
> I ended up chasing north of Brisbane today - and i actually had quite a
> good day! There were some impressive Storms around, and some really nice
> features..
Good shots. That camera is turning out to be a great investment!
I quite like this modus operandi. You run around in the heat, doing the
hard work. I sit in the air-conditioning wondering what it is like outside.
Then a few hours later, you post the highlights to the Internet!
(Actually, I am quite jealous, and housebound with the children.)
>
> Just spoke to someone at Energex, and northern SE QLD and eastern Wide
> Bay Burnett have copped a hiding.. with up to 30 suburbs without power
> at the time i called (would have been higher this afternoon i guess) -
> he couldn't give me an exact number of clients without power like they
> sometimes do, but my guess 50 000 or more?
Specifics usually get cleared through Public Affairs first. So, sometimes,
the C.S.R. will act coy.
> The first storm (first few pictures) had >>>NASTY<<< written all over
> it.. i wouldn't be surprised at plenty of damage from it - haven't heard
> of any yet though..
>
The funny thing was, at Bracken Ridge, I could not tell if there was a storm
or not. To the north there was a white haze that obscured everything. Can
anyone tell me if this white haze was natural or just smoke?
Regards,
Anthony Spierings
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From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cloud band - was Storm program on ABC TV at 7.30 tonight
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:30:24 +1100
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The excellent site at http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov (although unreliable at times) captured yesterday very well. Have zoomed in on and animated the activity around Brisbane and Perth - very interesting..
In relation to the jet stream cloud, I agree with you it does look a lot like a front moving up the NSW coast. Following the animation sequence as the band moves up the coast and then out into the Tasman it eventually seems to interact with a much more favourable surface and mid-level environment kicking up a very nice and large looking cell by 2225UTC about 400-500km east of Coffs Harbour.
A very interesting process to watch.
Patrick
The cloud band you talk about was visible on the sat' pic. It was a thin streak, almost frontal looking on the pic ( although obviously different at surface ). It went offshore between Nowra and Batemans Bay.
Michael
013
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm program on ABC TV at 7.30 tonight
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:29:36 +1100
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Must also admit to some disappointment with this program. Compared to the Oklahoma tornado program, this one was pretty light on. Many contrived images (ie the waterspout where disturbed water was shown but no image of actual funnel; coral reef shots seemingly taken during the hurricane -who in their right mind would be out diving - let alone with film equipment during a hurricane??) which at least they admitted to at the end.
I know that on prime time TV you will never get any level of technical commentary that would satisfy many on this list. I do have higher expectations of at least seeing some nice footage given that TV stations have access to reasonable $$$. Mind you the Oklahoma tornado program has set a very high standard which realistically is unlikely to be often repeated.
Patrick
I was a tad disappointed in the violent planet episode tonight, I had made a lovely cup of tea and settled down to enjoy it, I became bored towards the end of the show, in fact I enjoyed The Bill much better, rare for me.
Michael
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:08:41 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Susan,
I was chasing this storm (from the Brisbane Valley) yesterday, and
lightning was very active, with very strong & close discharges on the
highest band of AM (I used the high band, as I was in relatively close
proximity of the storm, and I wanted to try and cut out the other static
from the other storms to its north). Certainly this was very active,
and this doesn't include the other storms to its north! The tracker
only picks up CG's...interestingly, most of the strikes in this area
(sunshine coast & wide bay & burnett districts), are often quite high.
But the area is very hilly/mountainous - so this may have something to
do with the high freqeuncy of CG's.
Susan Puddifer wrote:
>
> Susan from Balmain
>
> Watching Tracker - you sure that damned thing isnt broken or something? Its
> unreal!
>
> Susan
>
> Paul Miracki wrote:
>
> > hello,
> > Lightning tracker has just exploded here!! from nothing to around 200
> > strilkes in just minutes!!!
> >
> > IDW10Q00
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > Queensland Region
> > Brisbane Office
> >
> > TOP PRIORITY
> > SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
> > Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
> > at 3:03pm EST on Saturday the 22nd of January 2000
> >
> > For the Southeast Coast District
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
> >
> > Strong thunderstorms have been observed on radar just inland from the
> > Sunshine
> > Coast. They are moving eastward at about 20 knots.
> > Damaging wind gusts are possible with these thunderstorms.
> >
> > People are advised to secure items, move cars under cover and seek
> > shelter.
> >
> > ***** NOT TO BE BROADCAST AFTER 4 PM ******.
> >
> > This warning is also available by telephone on 1196 for the cost of a
> > local call
> > and on
> > 1900 969 921 at a cost of around 75 cents per minute.
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Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:44:08 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
Anyone can attend an ASWA meeting, even if you are not an ASWA member -
all visitors are welcome :) Or if you're interested to see what ASWA is
about, this would give you an excellent opportunity for you to find out!
Our next QLD ASWA meeting will be held at 10am, Saturday the
5th of February. We did not have a January meeting as many people
were away on holidays. Our last official meeting was November of
1999 (with a Christmas BBQ taking place in December). It would be
great if you would be able to attend this meeting. We have
organised a guest speaker, Jeff Callaghan head of severe weather at the
Bureau of Meteorology has agreed to give a talk on:
- Tropical Cyclones;
- Forecasting Tropical Cyclones;
- Periods of which Tropical Cyclones tend to occur in (eg,
MJO's, El Nino etc);
- Correlation between El Nino/La Nina vs TC's vs
Thunderstorms.
We also plan to have an important discussion on the possible
implementation of a Queensland ASWA lightning tracker, similar to that
displayed on the Energex homepage, but a real-time version. Everyone's
input and ideas would greatly be appreciated for this! Anthony
Spierings (an ASWA member/ Energex employee), will currently be
attending this meeting to assist in the discussion.
We have other various items on the agenda, which include
possible weather education seminars later on this year, which may again
be held in conjunction with the BoM.
There is currently plenty of video footage, with the Nov 22,
1999 Condamine F0 tornado on tape, and many hours of further
footage (not all of this will be shown of course!) Any other footage
that is taken in the next two weeks before the meeting may also
been shown.
The address is: Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner
Please bring $2 for a light lunch after the meeting.
I look forward to seeing you there, please inform me if you
are able to attend.
Regards,
--
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:53:34 +1000
From: Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au]
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Hi,
Don't know if this made the list earlier...but the URL for the hurricane hunter site is:
http://www.nc.noaa.gov/aoc/
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From: Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strahan Weather
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At 08:07 AM 23-01-2000 +1100, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone
>
>Some welcome rain, 40mm, here since Wednesday. It has been dry and dusty
>from early December. There was decent fall of hail last night so would
>expect a reasonable amount of snow above 800m.
>7am temperature 8C.
>
>Most of you on the list can say why you have thunderstorms.
>Does anyone have thoughts (the big picture) on why Tasmania does not
>have many?
>
I was in Derby (on NE Tas) yesterday (sunday) afternoon, and we had a
pretty impressive storm with lots of small hail, pretty strong lightning,
and the most incredible mammatus I've ever seen on the underside of the
anvil when it passed...
Curious thing: it was vertically compressed. It looked exactly like a
textbook CB thunderstorm (wall cloud, scuds, BIG anvil, mammatus, etc...)
except not very tall.
Miguel de Salas
School of Plant Science,
University of Tasmania,
PO Box 252-55, Sandy Bay, Hobart
Tasmania, Australia, 7001.
mailto://mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au
My Moths Page:
http://members.xoom.com/migueldes/moths/moths.html
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From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: NGP teasers
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:04:57 +1100
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Some interesting scenarios being played out by NGP for later this week.
In relation to SE Aust, it has the active part of the current trough over WA
slipping southeast and brushing past Adelaide and Melbourne before
intensifying and giving some very heavy rain across parts of NSW before
focusing rain on the central and south NSW coast (and E Gippsland). Possibly
setting up for a deep low just of the SE corner late in the weekend (I
notice MRF going for a very deep SE coast low and cold outbreak on the
following Monday 31 Jan - but that is out in fantasy land at 8 days out).
Will be interesting to watch.
Paul in Darwin has indicated how he is being teased by a low brushing across
the top end.
The other interesting aspect of the last couple of runs has been the
tropical low it has moving SE from the central Indian Ocean. It first
appears at 84 hrs, at 144hrs it has kept it moving SE and presumably will be
entering latitudes where the steering winds are likely to keep it moving SE.
Would be an interesting scenario for WA west coast (possibly even Perth) if
it maintained its identity and direction. MRF picks up the low as well but
kills it off well away from the coast - presumably at least in part a
function of colder surface waters).
Most of the above is pretty speculative but as things are pretty quiet storm
wise in Canberra at the moment, one can only hope...
Patrick
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:42:32 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strahan Weather
From: "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]
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Chas
Tasmania does not get as many severe thunderstorms as the mainland because:
Hot continental air is usually modified by the passage across Bass Strait
making it more stable.
The most intense thunderstorms occur when hot/humid continental air in the
lower/middle layers is de-stablilised by a strong jetstream or up-motion in
the upper atmosphere. Tasmania gets the jets, but being a relatively small
landmass surrounded by a cool ocean means that the lower atmosphere never
gets a chance to become hot and humid. Most thunderstorms form near the jet
or approaching front but lack the moisture to be as powerful as mainland
storms.
Storms can form on the NE ranges in a slow moving trough after a few days of
N winds from the mainland, but they will rarely be as strong or as frequent
as similar storms that form on the Victorian ranges.
Wed/Thu may see a situation resulting in thunderstorms across Tasmania.
However, as it often the case, low level cooling due to the maritime
influence may result in more rain than thunder.
MH
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>From: Chas & Helen Osborn
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>Subject: aus-wx: Strahan Weather
>Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 8:07
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> Some welcome rain, 40mm, here since Wednesday. It has been dry and dusty
> from early December. There was decent fall of hail last night so would
> expect a reasonable amount of snow above 800m.
> 7am temperature 8C.
>
> Most of you on the list can say why you have thunderstorms.
> Does anyone have thoughts (the big picture) on why Tasmania does not
> have many?
>
> Chas
> Strahan Tasmania
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:33:32 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Spectacular Storms (was: Storm North of Brisbane)
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Hi Anthony,
Anthony Spierings wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> > I ended up chasing north of Brisbane today - and i actually had quite a
> > good day! There were some impressive Storms around, and some really nice
> > features..
>
> Good shots. That camera is turning out to be a great investment!
Thanks! Yep it is! I don't know how i ever lived without it
> I quite like this modus operandi. You run around in the heat, doing the
> hard work. I sit in the air-conditioning wondering what it is like outside.
> Then a few hours later, you post the highlights to the Internet!
>
> (Actually, I am quite jealous, and housebound with the children.)
LOL!!! It's a shame we don't have more people chasing storms in the SE
Quarter of QLD - the guster shots i took of the first storm yesterday
were taken when the storm was weakening, and was yellow on radar at the
time i took the shots - i would have loved to have photographed the
guster when the storm was pink and red on radar.. but if people have
other commitments i guess that's just the way it is..
> >
> > Just spoke to someone at Energex, and northern SE QLD and eastern Wide
> > Bay Burnett have copped a hiding.. with up to 30 suburbs without power
> > at the time i called (would have been higher this afternoon i guess) -
> > he couldn't give me an exact number of clients without power like they
> > sometimes do, but my guess 50 000 or more?
>
> Specifics usually get cleared through Public Affairs first. So, sometimes,
> the C.S.R. will act coy.
>
> > The first storm (first few pictures) had >>>NASTY<<< written all over
> > it.. i wouldn't be surprised at plenty of damage from it - haven't heard
> > of any yet though..
> >
>
> The funny thing was, at Bracken Ridge, I could not tell if there was a storm
> or not. To the north there was a white haze that obscured everything. Can
> anyone tell me if this white haze was natural or just smoke?
I think it would have been smoke - i went back up the coast today for a
swim and to photograph the Glasshouse mountains.. and there was a large
area of burnt bush land near Glass House township, and several other
smaller grass fires around..
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