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001 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Forgive me.....one more please....models.....
002 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Webcams please?
003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   USA Winter?
004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   USA Winter?
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   lifted index
006 Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au]              USA Winter?
007 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]                USA Winter?
008 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  NHQ article on 14/4/99 Supercell
009 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]        Archives
010 Carl Smith [carls at ace-net.com.au]              TC KIRRILY off WA
011 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au             TC KIRRILY off WA
012 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au             Tropical Low
013 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     USA Winter?
014 paulmoss at tpgi.com.au                           NSW STA
015 paulmoss at tpgi.com.au                           CSIRO Climate Study
016 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Storm chases and messages
017 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]             Hail at Mulgoa
018 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]       Hail at Mulgoa
019 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Hail at Mulgoa
020 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    USA Winter?
021 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           USA Winter?
022 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Safe Drinking And Driving
023 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]             Safe Drinking And Driving
024 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     USA Winter?

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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:57:00 -0500
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The NWS is being raked over the coals!!  Believe me!  LOL...  There is open
season on weather folks year around!  After all, what other profession is
there where they pay you to be wrong!!  [S]

Les

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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:31:14 +0000
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Miguel de Salas wrote:

> Is there a page somewhere on the web with a list of links to Australian
> webcams that are good for weather watching?

The webcam at Melbourne is good for webcam chasing: coupla prongs, any number
of lowerings and a CG in the last six months or so:

http://webcam.omni.net.au/

Excellent panorama of Melbourne!

Les (UK)


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How far south has America (The USA) actually experienced snow at sea
level or close to to it at least?

Has Florida ever had snow? Into its southern parts?


I've read a little about the Outbreaks of 09/1/76 and 23/12/89 and
noticed that Florida reached 31 (F) during the '89 Outbreak. I wonder if
that was on a cold, clear morning though?



Lindsay Pearce





Blair Trewin wrote:
 
> The critical factor at play here is the configuration of the continents.
> Australia has ocean on its poleward side; the United States has a
> continental land mass, with few physical barriers to north-south air
> movement.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:24:38 -0800
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Great post Blair. What an amazing contrast, a max of 34 C then snow! I
was talking to a bloke at Oberon (stopped there on our trip south for
holidays, I often try and dig out a weather story from a local) and this
guy at the supermarket said that they had snow on Christmas day/Boxing
day and it had been very mild just before hand. Don't know the exact
year (in the nineties, but he couldn't remember the year) or indeed the
temp contrasts at the time.

Do you have any records of a cold snap in the nineties around Christmas
for Oberon? Or indeed other decades?


Lindsay P.




Blair Trewin wrote:

> did!). Denver is also famous for late- and early-season snowfalls
> (I was there to see one on 12 September 1993, the day after a max of
> 34 C), but even there July and August are snow-free.
> 
> Blair Trewin
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:00:03 -0800
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Welcome Desley,

Pleased you can join us. :-) Hey, don't worry about sounding really
dumb, we all have to start at the beginning some time. I'm still on
training wheels myself, but the weather is here for all of us to enjoy
and so is this list. Even the most proficient folk on the list only know
a fraction of what there is to know about weather. That's what makes it
all so interesting, so much to learn!


Lindsay P.



Desley Absolon wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Being really new to the List and, taking a risk at sounding really dumb, can
> you explain what the map showed, and what it means...  I really am interested
> in learning all I can about the weather in general, and must admit to feeling
> a little intimidated when reading all of the 'el techo' mail - but it is great
> and of much interest - just a lot is difficult to understand when you are
> incredibly un-educated on the subject.  I figure the more I read and the more
> 'dumb' questions I ask the more I will understand...so patience please.
> Ta,
> 
> Desley in Cairns
> 
> steve baynham wrote:
> 
> > hey all,
> > looking good for eastern australia over the next few days:)
> > this is avn's 18z run
> >
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Hey Lindsay,

I know last year, it snowed on Chirstmas Day, not to such low levels but it
was a significant fall (>10cm). I can't remember the previous day's temps
but, from memory, they were in the 30's around Mansfield, Vic. Someone could
probably give you more precise details on this event. 

Cheers,
Lyle

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> 
> 
> Great post Blair. What an amazing contrast, a max of 34 C then snow! I
> was talking to a bloke at Oberon (stopped there on our trip south for
> holidays, I often try and dig out a weather story from a 
> local) and this
> guy at the supermarket said that they had snow on Christmas day/Boxing
> day and it had been very mild just before hand. Don't know the exact
> year (in the nineties, but he couldn't remember the year) or 
> indeed the
> temp contrasts at the time.
> 
> Do you have any records of a cold snap in the nineties around 
> Christmas
> for Oberon? Or indeed other decades?
> 
> 
> Lindsay P.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Blair Trewin wrote:
> 
> > did!). Denver is also famous for late- and early-season snowfalls
> > (I was there to see one on 12 September 1993, the day after a max of
> > 34 C), but even there July and August are snow-free.
> > 
> > Blair Trewin
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I remember hearing a report some time back maybe 10 to 15 years ago of brief
snow falling at Miami Beach, first time snow had ever fallen there thats
about all i know. Dane,
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>How far south has America (The USA) actually experienced snow at sea
>level or close to to it at least?
>
>Has Florida ever had snow? Into its southern parts?
>
>
>I've read a little about the Outbreaks of 09/1/76 and 23/12/89 and
>noticed that Florida reached 31 (F) during the '89 Outbreak. I wonder if
>that was on a cold, clear morning though?
>
>
>
>Lindsay Pearce
>
>
>
>
>
>Blair Trewin wrote:
>
>> The critical factor at play here is the configuration of the continents.
>> Australia has ocean on its poleward side; the United States has a
>> continental land mass, with few physical barriers to north-south air
>> movement.
>>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:28:07 +1100
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Michael Thompson wrote on Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:14:43 +1100:
> 
> Excellent article with some informative graphs, except 
> I disagree with the storm changing course to move inland.
> The storm stayed roughly on the same track, but the 
> coastline north of Wollongong swings sharply NE.

In summary, I agree with MichaelT but with the support
of some additional "post-analysis" evidence. I'm at risk 
at shooting my mouth off again (metaphorically writing,
of course:-).

In my "playing" with BoM GIF radar images to track 
storms (Les from the US helped here), I'm rapidly coming 
to the opinion that the "Storm Track Focus" (STF - my 
term:-) is what needs to be identified and tracked. 
This, I think will be the focus of the main updraft(s).
The supercell case is somewhat easier to identify since 
the radar echo takes on a distinctive shape revealing 
strong features such as the Bounded Weak Echo Region 
(BWER) and hooked-echo. In 3D, the BWER is an obvious 
feature, but it can only be implied by the current 2D 
radar images:-( I've had some success in identifying 
what I think is the STF by finding the gradient of 
maximum radar reflectivity (precipitation) change 
that focusses towards one small area (see figure symbol
" at ") which I call the Maximum Echo Gradient (MEG). 
This is a different location to that which is
traditionally identified being the intersection of 
diagonals drawn between the corners of a bounding box
(see figure symbol "+") which I call the Bounding Echo
Box (BEB). The following figure (in plain text) 
describes both algorithms;

========================================================
Example Southern Hemisphere "hooked echo" schematic of
April 14 Sydney Supercell Hailstorm.

PLAIN TEXT FIGURE   KEY
--------------------------------------------------------

  |---*****------|  "|-" is the main echo bounding box.
  | *   *  _I    |  "I" identifies main inflow (NE/E).
RFD   *  at  Upper level environmental flow.
  |-------* *** *|

========================================================

In the April 14, 1999 Sydney Supercell case above, the
BEB algorithm descibes a track that moves "inland" as
frequently alleged. However, when using the MEG 
algorithm, the nature of the bounding box changes from 
image to image as expected in nature but the updraft 
location follows a much smoother path that does not 
move inland, but rather stays on track to "feed" on 
the moist inflow path into the mesocyclone. Notice 
also that the precipitation echo is "blown" away to 
the E by the environmental flow at upper levels giving 
an inflow v/s upper-flow directional sheer of about 
270-280 degrees (360 or 0 degrees is in-line which
means no sheer whereas 180 degrees is opposite).

I'd love to get a hold of the Oklahoma May 3 1999 F5
tornado radar images to test this algorithm. From what
I remember of the program shown on the ABC, this complex
of supercells grew within a strongly sheared situation.
The F5 was located almost as if one tipped the above
figure along the X-axis (E-W) i.e the bottom left-hand
corner, but the upper level winds blew the precipitation
curtain towards the SE. Inflow v/s upper-flow looked
like 180 degrees of wind-sheer. but I could easily have
seen this incorrectly from the brief look-see at the
dopplar radar images. This will undoubedly provoke
some useful corrective input from Les in the USA.

The reason that I havn't applied these algorithms to
all BoM radar images yet is two-fold; a lack of time
to develop the algorithms further and a more fundamental
problem being that critical features come and go in 
non-supercell storms. In one image, MEG might be the
best algorithm to use but in the next image MEG fails
to find a focus, therefore BEB is used giving a vastly
different result in these marginal cases. The problem
all stems back to the fact that there is no easy way
of confirming a mesocyclone from existing BoM radar
images, so it's all really just educated guesswork.

In conclusion, tracking storms from BoM radar images
is no easy feat. One needs to identify a sustained
feature, then track it. The main updraft, or rain-
free base is the best feature choice in my opinion
but due the variability and course resolution of
radar (typically 1 degree radial by 2km range 
increments), it might be usefully tracking the 
"complex" of cells defined by the main continuous 
precipitation echo. The trick becomes when to decide 
the best technique and what to quote in any report.

In anticipation, it's great to have useful input from
all over the world within this list.

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Thanx Laurier and Michael,

Looks like I've got a hobby for a while! 

I think I'll go with the uncompressed files individually accessible through 
linked pages and I'll follow Michael's suggestion of a standard 
time-stamping.

Thanks for the feedback - but don't expect too much change too soon - I'm 
back at school!

Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Hi All.

The BoM has named 09S as TC Kirrily, which is currently NW of Exmouth
moving SW, so is unlikely to cross the coast on it's present course. It
quickly dropped from 996 to 985 hPa.

Carl.


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Forecasts dont show this one deepening much more then it currently is - it will
get caught by unfavourable shear very shortly and continue its slide SW and be
sheared apart OR become extratropical.

models however show a more interesting situation for the QLD Coast (yet again)
with a Tc ? Ex-Tc hitting the coast around Harvey Bay or a bit further North as
well as an  active Low / TC in the Gulf.

Paul.






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Hi All.

The BoM has named 09S as TC Kirrily, which is currently NW of Exmouth
moving SW, so is unlikely to cross the coast on it's present course. It
quickly dropped from 996 to 985 hPa.

Carl.


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Subject: aus-wx: Tropical Low
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:29:30 +0930
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Howdy all.

After reading the Tropical Cyclone Outlook and chatting with Ian Sheppard, OIC
Severe Weather in Darwin BOM - this Low may have a chance of becoming "very
interesting" - considering that the BOM expect a Madden-Julian pulse very
shortly - which will aide in development of any TC.

TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
at 1:13 pm CST Friday 28 JANUARY 2000

TROPICAL LOW in northern Arafura Sea
   Location........near 08S 130E
           ........i.e. about 270 nautical miles or 500 km north of Darwin

   Central pressure: 1007 hPa
   Recent movement : near stationary

DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
          Next 24h : low
           24-48 h : low
           48-72 h : mod

REMARKS
Low is weak and unorganised at present. Future movement is uncertain at this
stage although a southward movement is possible late in the forecast period as
the monsoon re-develops across Indonesia.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:55:16 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter?
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Snow has been seen at Miami, Fl.  Temps in mid FL have been in the low
teens and singel digets in the panhandel.  

Les

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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:41:12 +0930
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICEBUREAU OF 
METEOROLOGYNEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued 
at 1647 on Friday the 28th of January 2000This advice affects people in the 
following weather districts:Mid-North CoastNorthern Rivers Thunderstorms 
are forecast within the advice area from now into this evening. Some of 
these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones and destructive 
winds. The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms 
approach people should: * put vehicles under cover * move indoors away 
from windowsDuring and after the storm people should: * beware of fallen 
trees and power lines The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights & 
wipers on & slow down inthe wet. 

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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:33:54 +0930
Subject: aus-wx: CSIRO Climate Study
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Excellent article in todays paper from the CSIRO showing an 
increase in rainfall for some parts of Australia linked to a climate 
change/trend.

Places like SA, NSW & NT are experiencing 15% greater rainfall 
now then in 1910 whereas places like QLD , WA & Tas had 
experienced some declines, - WA esp in Winter, and QLD in 
Autumns.

go here for a closer look: http://www.dar.csiro.au/res/cm/.

Intesting reading - and excellent graphs to show total rain, 
seasonal rain, 99th% rain.

Paul.
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Storm chases and messages
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Hi everyone,

As some of you have done for some time now left a message when going on a 
storm chase. Normally what is left is a message where the person is going 
and the mobile number(s) of those who are chasing together. Certainly it is 
a great idea and keep it going.

In my case though, although I have had a lot of feedback and help on chases 
with radar updates etc, I have found that I am spending too long on the 
phone. My phone bill has sky rocketed to an amount that I am unimpressed 
about. Of course this is totally MY fault and nobody elses. But in a 
measure of being perhaps "stingy" or simply "cost cutting", I will not be 
making many phone calls. People on the list can call as much as you like if 
you want feedback on what is happening but you are not obliged to.

My reasons are that I bought this phone for safety in case of breakdown and 
the odd phone call. Please respect my reasons and don't make a discussion 
on the list about it with respect to being negative. I just think that 
mobile phones can cost easily about $1000 to $1500 per year. I can only say 
I have better things to spend money on

Jimmy Deguara



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From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Hail at Mulgoa
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Daniel Weatherhead just rang me to report 1cm hail, possible larger at
Mulgoa (foot of the blue mountains in Sydney), he was in the area and saw a
nice dark base and went for it, and it opened up on him.. gotta love that :D

Matt Smith
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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail at Mulgoa
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:50:22 +1100
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Hi Everyone,

Here in Blaxland Ive only had one or two drops of rain. Drats why couldnt
that hail come over me hehehe. Certainly shows how localised the weather can
be as Mulgoa is not very far from here at all. Radar didnt seem really
impressive. Looked better earlier on down near Camden when there was some
pink. It seemed to lose intensity as it moved north however going by this
report of hail it seems it still had some oomph left in it.

Matthew Piper

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Subject: aus-wx: Hail at Mulgoa


> Daniel Weatherhead just rang me to report 1cm hail, possible larger at
> Mulgoa (foot of the blue mountains in Sydney), he was in the area and saw
a
> nice dark base and went for it, and it opened up on him.. gotta love that
:D
>
> Matt Smith
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:52:25 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail at Mulgoa
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Yes great stuff Daniel!!

It seems that the cold air we had observed dumping hail in areas near 
Goulbourn yesterday has moved over Sydney and further north today. Today 
was a classic example of a spring or autumn situation with cold air aloft. 
The cumulus developed fairly widespread. Then the odd larger isolated 
cumulus began to break through. These were quite shallow but with the 
temperatures of around -16 or lower at 500 hPa, hail is still possible. 
This is the reason that the Mid - North Coast has had a severe advice put 
out: more available moisture and surface heating with the trough line now 
marked in on the synoptic chart providing the trigger. Still, the storms 
there did not reach massive heights - well it seems like that based on the 
satpics. Perhaps the odd cells went higher.

By the way, yesterday was a bit frustrating. We could see the storms the 
south and some were quite spectacular and due to the cold air producing 
hail. But the road network and the time made it unfeasible to chase these 
storms. We have some photos and brief video of the cells that developed to 
the south and some over the mountains.
What Mario and I found quite interesting was that you could see based on 
the scud at the cumulus bases that the wind was changing and gradually 
penetrating inland. It reached Bathurst during the evening whilst the wind 
change had reached the coastal and Sydney suburbs many hours earlier!!

Jimmy Deguara

At 20:45 28/01/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Daniel Weatherhead just rang me to report 1cm hail, possible larger at
>Mulgoa (foot of the blue mountains in Sydney), he was in the area and saw a
>nice dark base and went for it, and it opened up on him.. gotta love that :D
>
>Matt Smith
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:55:46 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> 
> Snow has been seen at Miami, Fl.  Temps in mid FL have been in the low
> teens and singel digets in the panhandel.

Wow!!  I never knew this!  I've always considered Miami warmer than
Brisbane, generally because most of it is surrounded by ocean.  But
Brisbane has never seen snow.

Was it snow, or sleet?  Although there haven't been any confirmed cases
that I know of, of sleet in Brisbane either.

I take it you mean F degrees when you say low teens and single digits? 
What's the lowest recorded Miami Temp?
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(ASWA)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:19:08 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:

> Snow has been seen at Miami, Fl.  Temps in mid FL have been in the low
> teens and singel digets in the panhandel.

Havn't there been times when the orange / grape crop in Florida has been
ruined due to frost..... ?

Similarly in Oz, hasn't a bad year for wines in the Hunter / Barossa Valleys
has been a good year for giant hail??

Les (UK)

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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:26:56 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

This is more so related to storm chasing than weather, but I thought it
might be of interest.  The idea might seem rather silly to some, but I
thought it was rather good :)

While generally talking to Kathyrn Jolly on IRC, we talked about
chasing, and I mentioned that I got some old "pop-top" bottles (more so
a kids drink with fruit juice in it), and plan to fill them up with
other drinks while chasing - it's just a special non-leak top that you
can easily open/close with your teeth, so you don't swerve all over the
road while opening a bottle of drink 

She came up with a brilliant idea though - suggesting that you put the
pop-top lid and screw it ontop of a normal 1.25L bottle - it fits
perfectly!  And all you have to do, is buy the bottle of drink, take the
cap off, cut the little ring of plastic off on the bottom, screw the
pop-top lid on - and wallah!  A "hands-free bottle opener" - that won't
spill all over the car, and you don't have to swerve all over the road! 
I found that a pop-top lid/bottle was rather useful when going around
curvy highways, which we do have quite a few around the ranges here in
SE QLD.

Just a suggestion :-)
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those pop top lids come a fair few "sports drinks" you find at your local
shop or servo... and yep, they fit perfectly onto any normal 1.25L bottle

PS where are the storms? :)

Matt Smith


>Hi all,
>
>This is more so related to storm chasing than weather, but I thought it
>might be of interest.  The idea might seem rather silly to some, but I
>thought it was rather good :)
>
>While generally talking to Kathyrn Jolly on IRC, we talked about
>chasing, and I mentioned that I got some old "pop-top" bottles (more so
>a kids drink with fruit juice in it), and plan to fill them up with
>other drinks while chasing - it's just a special non-leak top that you
>can easily open/close with your teeth, so you don't swerve all over the
>road while opening a bottle of drink 
>
>She came up with a brilliant idea though - suggesting that you put the
>pop-top lid and screw it ontop of a normal 1.25L bottle - it fits
>perfectly!  And all you have to do, is buy the bottle of drink, take the
>cap off, cut the little ring of plastic off on the bottom, screw the
>pop-top lid on - and wallah!  A "hands-free bottle opener" - that won't
>spill all over the car, and you don't have to swerve all over the road! 
>I found that a pop-top lid/bottle was rather useful when going around
>curvy highways, which we do have quite a few around the ranges here in
>SE QLD.
>
>Just a suggestion :-)
>-- 
>Anthony Cornelius
>Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>(ASWA)
>(07) 3390 4812
>14 Kinsella St
>Belmont, Brisbane
>QLD, 4153
>Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
>reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:43:25 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter?
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Yes, it was snow and not sleet....and yes, those numbers were in degrees
F.....sorry...I have been trying to fly around the southeast US and have
had problems due to the big snow and ice storm down here.....I am in
Melbourne FL at present.  Did not get in until about 2 AM....amounts of
snow in Oklahoma City ranged from 9 inches to a foot of snow yesterday.

Les

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