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001 Harald Richter [hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa Recommended Reading (fwd)
002 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Recommended Reading
003 Carl Smith [carls at ace-net.com.au] Final frame added to TC Kirrily map animation.
004 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Recommended Reading
005 "Nick Sykes" [njsykes at yahoo.com] Melbourne, it's going to be a hot one!!!!
006 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] Coastal minimums
007 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] Coastal minimums
008 Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au For those with SDS??
009 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Recommended Reading (fwd)
010 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] USA Winter?
011 Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au] Recommended Reading
012 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Severe TS at Berrimah
013 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Kilsyth obs January 2000
014 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Recommended Reading
015 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Recommended Reading
016 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Recommended Reading
017 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Recommended Reading
018 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Recommended Reading
019 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Melbourne, it's going to be a hot one!!!!
020 Andrew Boskell [a_boskell at yahoo.com] Warm day ahead for Tas!
021 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Recommended Reading
022 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. For those with SDS??
023 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. NPMOC - a few changes afoot...
024 Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au] Melbourne, it's going to be a hot one!!!!
025 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au TC - Xmas Islands
026 "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au] TC Watch for Christmas Island
027 Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au] Hot in Melbourne!
028 Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au] NSW group social night..
029 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Interesting temperature contrasts in Tasmania
030 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne, it's going to be a hot one!!!!
031 "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au] TC Watch for Christmas Island (update)
032 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Hot in Melbourne!
033 Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au Interesting temperature contrasts in Tasmania
034 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Warm day ahead for Tas!
035 "Ian Weller" [IYW at rbfb.tas.gov.au] Interesting temperature contrasts in Tasmania
036 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Melbourne weather
037 Andrew Boskell [a_boskell at yahoo.com] Warm day ahead for Tas!
038 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au Vict. Thunder warning / Nice looking squall line developing
039 "David Croan" [wxbustchase at hotmail.com] NT STA 16:06 CST
040 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au NT Severe Thunderstorm Warning!!!!!!
041 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] NT STA 16:06 CST
042 "Max King" [mnk at Dingoblue.net.au] NT STA 16:06 CST
043 "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au] NT Severe Thunderstorm Warning!!!!!!
044 "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au] Darwin Storm
045 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] NT Severe Thunderstorm Warning!!!!!!
046 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Severe TS at Berrimah
047 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Coastal minimums
048 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] For those with SDS??
049 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Darwin storm on web cam!
050 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Darwin storm on web cam!
051 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Darwin storm on web cam!
052 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Darwin storm on web cam!
053 paulmoss at tpgi.com.au Darwin storm
054 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Darwin storm on web cam!
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001
From: Harald Richter [hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov]
Subject: aus-wx: Recommended Reading (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:13:37 -0600 (CST)
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Lyle wondered ...
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could suggest some recommended reading in relation
> to the mechanics of severe storms. At the moment i would prefer to focus on
> severe thunderstorms which produce the most extreme events (hail, tornados
> etc). I am also highly interested in snow storms and the mechanics behind
> them.
>
> I would prefer the more scientific material but anything that is enlightning
> will be well appreciated. It does not have to be restricted to books,
> journals and the like are all o.k.
If your aim is remaining up-to-date with severe storms research
I can recommend two sources:
(1) The preprint volume of the 19th Conference on Severe Local Storms
(September 1998, Minneapolis, MN) - available from the American
Meteorological Society
(2) Scan the recent issues of Monthly Weather Review - every now
and again someone talks about things like anvil shadows
supplying rotation to big bad storms ...
For something more picturesque ...
(3) Howie Bluestein published a book recently on tornadoes et al.,
you might want to check the amazon.com website for details
Enjoy the browsing, Harald
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:57:43 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Recommended Reading
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Matthew Piper wrote:
> I can highly recommend you purchase the book "Thunderstorm Morphology and
> Dynamics" by Kessler. I got it via the Co-op Bookshop website back in Dec
> 1998. I also got the book entitled "The Thunderstorm in Human Affairs"
which
> is also by Kessler. Both books are published by "University of Oklahoma
> Press". The first book is larger and goes into a lot of detail about hail
> and tornado formation.
Let me mention something here. Scientific concepts are highly perishable.
They can often be quickly relegated to "has beens". At any given time,
what we believe to be "scientific truth" will be found to be in serious or
even total error within months to ten's of years. These theories, ideas,
concepts, etc. will be almost steadily revised as new observations and new
concepts are developed. (For this reason and others, we must also consider
philosophy and religion as equally acceptable ways of searching for truth.)
I will give a little here in the area of the philosophy of science. There
are three different types of theory changes that can happen as science
develops. A very important part of the history of science is theory
replacement. That is latter theories replace earlier ones that are
abandoned. The first type of theory replacement concerns a new theory
replacing an old one and the old one, while still considered scientific, is
found to be inadequate (as an explanation for observations) for one or more
reasons. That is a 'first order' change. 'Second order' changes are those
where the old theory is not only replaced, but its "epistemic virtues"
valued by the scientific community are rearranged. These virtues increase
theories rationality. Examples of "epistemic virtues"are simplicity,
empirical accuracy, success in prediction, fruitfulness for guiding new
research, etc. Finally, the third type of theory change is one where the
new concept not only replaces the old, but the old is then seen not to have
been science at all.
We see the first and second types of theory replacement rather often. They
can take place in a matter of months or a few years. The third type does
occur but much less frequently and at sometimes more slowly. However, when
they do occur, they still can do so rapidly.
Kessler's two volume set was written while I was still at NSSL (as I
recall) and is significantly outdated in some areas. As I recall, its
publication date was in the 1970's. (That alone does not mean it is in
error, however.) At least first order replacement has occurred in some
areas. If possible, if I were you I would try to get copies of the AMS
preprints from the Radar Conferences and of the Severe Local Storms
conferences. Each of these conferences is held every other year. While
they are not formal publications and therefore are not peer reviewed, they
are typically full of the latest observations, concepts, and ideas.
Because they lack reviews, there will be concepts and ideas that are faulty
and not mainstream. However, that is always the case, even in reviewed
formal publications. If you are interested, I also have a list of what I
call "foundational papers" that should be read and on occasion, reread.
These papers have withstood the test of time to a greater degree than
others. The theories are more resilient and are supported by follow-on
research.
Another reason for attempting to get these reprints is the fact that by the
time books are published, they are outdated, sometimes seriously, in
places. When you submit a conference paper for publication in the
conference proceedings (preprints) the papers were written ~ 4 to 6 months
from printing. When a formal publication appears in a journal, the papers
appearing therein were written 12 to 18 months earlier or sometimes even
two years earlier. They may then be revised 8 to 12 months before
publication. Book publication, on the other hand, not uncommonly requires
18 months to 4 years to progress to completion. Then you must consider the
publication date when evaluating a book for your library. In other words,
how long ago was it published from the time you learned of it?
Finally, consider the author's of the papers or books. Are they well
respected? Do they reference and base their concepts on well-founded and
respected current ideas? That is, do the base their concepts on mainstream
ideas? Who or what institutions employee or have employed these authors?
How widely published are they? How long have they been publishing? What
publications such as journals do they use? How widely referenced is their
work?
BTW, keep in mind, that even when all these tests are adhered to, the
concepts can be seriously faulty. Over twenty years ago, Thomas Kuhn wrote
a book called "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions". While some of his
points are themselves outdated and unacceptable for other reasons, he
points out that many major scientific discoveries come from people outside
the mainstream of the dominant theory or paradigm currently embraced my the
scientific community. These sometimes called "peripheral" scientists or
"pseudoscientists", are not trained to see the data in certain ways, not
indoctrinated; they have not put on scientific blinders. It is for this
reason, I have encouraged many of you to rise to the challenge, and try
your hand at a "research mode" or theoretical perspective. Keep in mind
that in order to do this, you often must have a sound foundation in
physics, fluid dynamics, and mathematics. But, even lacking one or more of
those backgrounds, you can still make a contribution. To some of you I say
"Go for it!!" The heart of science is the concepts, the theories developed
in the mind, and not the observations. Those concepts tie together and
explain the observations but they are not "contained" in the observations.
Having written this essay, I have strayed somewhat from the purpose of this
list and even my purpose in writing this!! LOL. My main point, perhaps
you should pursue purchase of some of the AMS conference preprints ($30 to
$35 US). And/or you can wait around a year for the new AMS Severe Storms
Monograph edited by Chuck Doswell, to be published. (LOL, it will
obviously suffer from some of the same problems enumerated above!)
I will now return to all my work! I really did not have time to write
this! LOL
Les
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From: Carl Smith [carls at ace-net.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Final frame added to TC Kirrily map animation.
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Hi All.
The TC Kirrily map animation at
http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/KirrilyAnim.htm has been updated with the
final JTWC warnings #11&12.
Regards,
Carl.
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:52:04 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Recommended Reading
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Les UK) had a great recommendation:
> Start at the beginning - you'll find this paper is pretty well spot on,
and not
> too unreadable either!
>
> Browning K A and Ludlam, F H (1962)
> Airflow in convective storms
> Quart.Journal of Royal Met. Society, 88, 117-135
I mentioned in a pervious post "foundational papers". You will note that
most are old, as the one mentioned by Les(UK) above. While they lack some
of the latest information, these have withstood the test of time and are
still very relevant and trustworthy. They do indeed, lay the foundation to
all that has come after. They follow:
Browning, K. A., 1964: Airflow and precipitation trajectories within severe
local storms which travel to the right of the winds. J. Atmos. Sci., 21,
634-639.
------------, 1965a: The evolution of tornadic storms. J. Atmos. Sci., 22,
664-668.
-----------, 1965b: Some inferences about the updraft within a severe local
storm. J. Atmos., Sci., 22. 669-677.
------------, 1965c: A family outbreak of severe local storms - a
comprehensive study of the storms in Oklahoma on 26 May 1963; Part I. AFCRL
- 65 - 695 (1) Spec. Rep. No. 32, 346 pp.
-----------, 1978: The structure and mechanisms of hailstorms. Amer.
Meteor. Soc., Monograph, #38, 43 pp.
-----------, and R. J. Donaldson, Jr., 1963: Airflow and structure of a
tornadic storm. J. Atmos., Sci., 20, 533-545.
-----------, and F. H. Ludlam, 1962: Airflow in convective storms. Quart.
J. Roy. Meteor., Soc., 88, 117-135.
Chisholm, A. J., and J. H. Renick, 1972: The kinematics of the multicell
and supercell Alberta hailstorms, Alberta Hail Studies, 1972 Research
Council of Alberta Hail studies Rep. No. 72 - 2, 24-31.
Hammond, G. R., 1967: Study of a left moving thunderstorm of 23 April 1964.
ESSA Tech Memo. IERTM - NSSL 31, U.S.Dept. of Commerce, NSSL, Norman, OK,
75pp.
Marwitz, J. D., 1972a: The structure and motion of severe hailstorms. Part
I: supercell storms. J. Appl. Meteor., 11, 166-179.
-----------, 1972b:The structure and motion of severe hailstorms. Part II:
Multicell storms., J. Appl. Meteor., 11, 180-188.
-----------, 1972c: The structure and motion of severe hailstorms. Part
III: Severely sheared storms. J. Appl., Meteor., 11, 189-201.
Sulakvelidze, G. K.,, N., Sh. Bibilashvili, and V. F. Lapcheva, 1967:
Formation of Precipitation and modification of hail processes. Israel
Program for Scientific Translations, Jerusalem.
As Les(UK) said of the earlier paper of Browning, it was spot on! Most of
these above are also spot on. Note especially Browning's 1978 paper. You
will have to go a long way to beat that.
It is really ironic that this man who has lived in the UK nearly all his
life, where severe convective storms are not frequent, has contributed so
profoundly to the science of severe storms. He was and is very far ahead
of his time. (BTW, although I neglected Fujita in the list above, you can
not go wrong with almost anything he wrote! He is another who was and
remains very far ahead of his time and his contemporaries.)
There are a couple or three of my own papers that may also contain
something of interest and relevance. They are certainly not in Browning's
or Fujita's class, LOL, but then who is? They are far, far behind those
men and many others. But they do make very heavy reference and use of
Browning's work. Those papers are:
Lemon, L. R., 1977b: New severe thunderstorm radar identification
techniques and warning criteria: a preliminary report. NOAA Tech Memo,
NSSFC - 1, Kansas City, National Severe Storms Forecast Center, 60 pp.
Lemon, L. R., and C. A. Doswell, III, 1979: Mesocyclone and supercell
structure as related to tornadogenesis. Mon. Wea. Rev., 107, 1184-1197.
Burgess, D. W., and L. R. Lemon, 1990: Severe thunderstorm detection by
radar. Chapter 30a, Radar In Meteorology, Ed. D. Atlas, Amer. Meteor. Soc.,
Boston, 619-647.
Actually the first of those two papers was reprinted several times and has
a 1980 version but you probably can not find it. A conference version is:
Lemon, L. R., 1977a: Severe thunderstorm evolution: its use in a new
technique for radar warnings. Preprints, 10th Conf. on Severe Local Storms,
Boston, Amer. Meteor. Soc., 77-80.
or:
Lemon, L. R., 1978a: On the use of storm structure for hail identification.
Preprints, 18th Conf. on Radar Meteor., Boston, Amer. Meteor. Soc.,
203-206.
In these papers, as mentioned above, I simply used Browning's and Chisholm
and Renick's work to develop an operational application. Their papers
contain the real science.
Les
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne, it's going to be a hot one!!!!
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:33:31 +1100
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Well what a night, after a pretty hot day yesterday when the city maximum
hit 37.3 just after 5pm; last night was meant to get down to around 20 as a
weak trough was expected to push through and cool things down a bit.
At 11pm, I was thinking of bed, the wind had moderated and the temp was
around 29, so I went to bed to try and achieve a miracle, sleep in my 30
degree bedroom. This was not easy, drifted in and out and at 12.30am said
stuff this and got up. My flatmate was watching a Jackie Chan movie so I sat
down and had a bit of a watch. When it finished at 1am I headed back to my
bedroom and had my usual glance at the thermometer, it when 29 (outside). I
rubbed my eyes to remove any sleep and read again, 29. I thought this is
weird, should be about 25 by now.
Went outside and to my glee, mixed with pure discuss (I was needing sleep) a
fresh northerly wind had blown in. Went for a walk for half an hour, the
northerly was no fluke and blew about 20knot. I thought to myself, either
the trough has had a heart attack and died or it has stalled on the west
coast which they often do.
Well sleep was needed so by 2am, with the temp still between 28-29 I headed
back to bed, thinking, yeah the southerly will probably come through by
morning.
At 6.45 I was awoken to a banging blind, peered out my window to see trees
been bent to the left, the northerly remained and it was stronger!!!!
Looked at the thermometer, it read 27, hell yeah I thought, sweet heat
today.
Quickly got onto the net to see the updated forecast. The BOM are now
forecasting 35 for Melbourne, up from 32 the trough had stalled on the west
coast. Some sort of sea breeze type change is expected just after midday.
Listened to the BOM on the radio and they seemed confident it wouldn't get
much hotter than 35, maybe a couple higher.
But with the temp sitting pretty on 28 and not a cloud in the sky it could
defiantly climb higher. The BOM are still saying 38 for tomorrow but still
adding the "it could get a couple higher" remark.
Will be a matter of how much the daytime heating will effect the movement of
the trough. In the past massive early morning heat can really get the trough
moving along the coast whereas the 25knot northerly and the fact the trough
is dieing could impede any cooling effect.
Will see!!!!
Nick from South Clayton, SE Suburbs of Melbourne
7.33am
Temp = 28.0
Wind 20 knot, gusty, Northerly
Cloud = none that I can see
Min Temp = 26.8 (City 26.6)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coastal minimums
From: "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]
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Blair
When I was a forecaster at the Bureau of Met I remember being routinely
surprised by minimums from Coffs Harbour. I believe the MO is within sight
of the water but I recall seeing sub-zero temperatures there on many
occasions. It struck me as a very unusual site in that respect. Do you have
any figures for Coffs Harbour? How does it compare to the other notable
sites you listed for coastal NSW?
Mark
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>From: Blair Trewin
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter?
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:45
>
>>
>> A rather late post on this thread I'm afraid,...
>>
>> I have a book "Exotica" (no that's not erotica...), which has a photo of
>> Monstera Deliciosa plants growing on Bald Cypress trees hung with Spanish
>> Moss (Tilandsia sp.). The caption on the photo goes on to mention that the
>> plants "have withstood 19F cold here at Tampa Florida". Tampa is on the
>> Gulf coast side of the Florida peninsular, at a latitude approximately equal
>> to the QLD Gold Coast. 19F is -7.2C! This would be extreme cold for the
>> Gold Coast (and most of NSW coast down to Sydney for that matter) and I
>> doubt that anything remotely like this has ever been recorded on the Gold
>> Coast itself. (Perhaps maybe at Binna Burra or Springbook at around 1000m
>> elevation).
> Nothing like this has ever been recorded on ANY Australian coast, let
> alone a tropical one! Even in Tasmania, few coastal sites have been
> below -3.
>
> Low temperatures have, however, been recorded quite close to the coast
> - in Queensland as well as further south. Notable low minima within
> 50km or so of the coast (and near sea level)
> include -5 at Amberley (on the western fringe
> of Brisbane), -8 at Richmond (western fringe of Sydney), -7 at Bega
> (about 15km inland from the far south coast of NSW), -7 at Bairnsdale
> and -6 at Sale (both 10-20km inland from the Gippsland coast). The
> Richmond figure is the lowest recorded below 200m in Australia,
> although I suspect that Coldstream will eventually break this record
> when it has a long enough period of observations.
>
> The highlands in SE Queensland have also had some very low minima.
> As far as I know there's never been a temperature site at either
> Binna Burra or Springbrook (and as ridgetop sites I wouldn't expect
> either to have especially low minima anyway), but a bit further inland
> Stanthorpe and Warwick have both recorded -11. I wouldn't be surprised
> if the new Glen Innes site eventually gets close to -15, although the
> lowest so far (in about 3-4 years of record) is -10.
>
> Blair Trewin
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From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coastal minimums
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:02:45 +1100
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Mark,
I am sure that Blair will be able to add more.. but in the meantime check
out
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_059040.shtml
the link to Station 059040.
COFFS HARBOUR (C.HARB.MO/AWS) WAS 059112
Commenced: 1943 Last record: 1996
Latitude: 30.32 S Longitude: 153.12 E Elevation: 5.0 m
It shows a lowest minimum of -3.2 in July, -2.7 in August and -0.6 in May.
Patrick
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From: Mark Hardy [mhardy at magna.com.au]
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Date: Thursday, 3 February 2000 7:43
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>Blair
>
>When I was a forecaster at the Bureau of Met I remember being routinely
>surprised by minimums from Coffs Harbour. I believe the MO is within sight
>of the water but I recall seeing sub-zero temperatures there on many
>occasions. It struck me as a very unusual site in that respect. Do you have
>any figures for Coffs Harbour? How does it compare to the other notable
>sites you listed for coastal NSW?
>
>Mark
>_____________________________________________________
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At 09:25 PM 02-02-2000 +1000, you wrote:
>Hello Anthony and all,
>
>I am suffering from Snow Deprivation Syndrome
>
>bye.
>
Move to Tassie!
Miguel de Salas
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>(3) Howie Bluestein published a book recently on tornadoes et al.,
> you might want to check the amazon.com website for details
>
>Enjoy the browsing, Harald
This book is called something like "Giant Storms of the Great Plains" - our
state library recently got a copy. Very good general description (not too
technical) and the best supercell pictures I've ever seen. There's one
shot of an LP that goes from overshoot down the barber pole to a neat
little tornado on the ground that will really make you weep.
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 07:35:28 +1000
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Hi all,
Blair Trewin wrote:
> Nothing like this has ever been recorded on ANY Australian coast, let
> alone a tropical one! Even in Tasmania, few coastal sites have been
> below -3.
>
> Low temperatures have, however, been recorded quite close to the coast
> - in Queensland as well as further south. Notable low minima within
> 50km or so of the coast (and near sea level)
> include -5 at Amberley (on the western fringe
> of Brisbane), -8 at Richmond (western fringe of Sydney), -7 at Bega
> (about 15km inland from the far south coast of NSW), -7 at Bairnsdale
> and -6 at Sale (both 10-20km inland from the Gippsland coast). The
> Richmond figure is the lowest recorded below 200m in Australia,
> although I suspect that Coldstream will eventually break this record
> when it has a long enough period of observations.
I think that this topic has been touched on before, but the close
proximity to the ocean also plays a major role in the temperatures. For
example, the official Brisbane AP site is almost right on Moreton Bay,
meaning that while at 2pm there may be a seabreeze that is already
cooling it down, but just several kilometres west you may still have hot
WNW-NW winds that can easily push the temperature up. The Delta-T along
this boundary, as well as the Delta-RH and Delta-DP is simply
astonishing. I first noticed this a couple of weeks ago, at my dad's
farm, about 100km WSW of Brisbane. It was 6:30pm, and the temperature
was 36C, the RH was 24% and the DP was 12C. Very soon after this, the
wind changed direction to an E'ly, and suddenly this oppressive humid
heat came through - I immediately exclaimed "the seabreeze!!" - I then
ran back into the shed, hot and dry - ran back outside, hot and humid -
I did this a couple of times, I had never quite experienced such a
difference between two air masses before :) By 6:45pm, it was now 29C,
RH of 79% and the DP was 25C! I thought it'd be a very hot and muggy
night - not so, just after 2am (I believe), the wind changed direction
(SW), and the seabreeze influence stopped - it soon became very cool,
before we knew it - we had the doonah's on as the temp dived to 15C!!!
I may have drifted off on a tanget here - but I just thought I'd mention
how distinct the seabreeze boundary can be. I think the Gold Coast has
their official measurements on the seaway! So that makes it appear 1-3C
cooler than Brisbane, which isn't because it's further away from the
Equator - just because it's so close to the ocean.
How close is the Miami station from the ocean? If the official
reporting station was just 1-2km west of it's current position, I
certainly believe that there would have been <0C temps and 40C> temps.
> The highlands in SE Queensland have also had some very low minima.
> As far as I know there's never been a temperature site at either
> Binna Burra or Springbrook (and as ridgetop sites I wouldn't expect
> either to have especially low minima anyway), but a bit further inland
> Stanthorpe and Warwick have both recorded -11. I wouldn't be surprised
> if the new Glen Innes site eventually gets close to -15, although the
> lowest so far (in about 3-4 years of record) is -10.
>
> Blair Trewin
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Hi all,
Thanks everyone for the great, and speedy, response! I have quite a lot of
material to sift through now and will hopefully get a much better
understanding of what's actually going on.
Cheers,
Lyle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leslie R. Lemon [mailto:lrlemon at compuserve.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2000 3:58
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> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Recommended Reading
>
>
> Matthew Piper wrote:
>
> > I can highly recommend you purchase the book "Thunderstorm
> Morphology and
> > Dynamics" by Kessler. I got it via the Co-op Bookshop
> website back in Dec
> > 1998. I also got the book entitled "The Thunderstorm in
> Human Affairs"
> which
> > is also by Kessler. Both books are published by "University
> of Oklahoma
> > Press". The first book is larger and goes into a lot of
> detail about hail
> > and tornado formation.
>
> Let me mention something here. Scientific concepts are
> highly perishable.
> They can often be quickly relegated to "has beens". At any
> given time,
> what we believe to be "scientific truth" will be found to be
> in serious or
> even total error within months to ten's of years. These
> theories, ideas,
> concepts, etc. will be almost steadily revised as new
> observations and new
> concepts are developed. (For this reason and others, we must
> also consider
> philosophy and religion as equally acceptable ways of
> searching for truth.)
>
> I will give a little here in the area of the philosophy of
> science. There
> are three different types of theory changes that can happen as science
> develops. A very important part of the history of science is theory
> replacement. That is latter theories replace earlier ones that are
> abandoned. The first type of theory replacement concerns a new theory
> replacing an old one and the old one, while still considered
> scientific, is
> found to be inadequate (as an explanation for observations)
> for one or more
> reasons. That is a 'first order' change. 'Second order'
> changes are those
> where the old theory is not only replaced, but its "epistemic virtues"
> valued by the scientific community are rearranged. These
> virtues increase
> theories rationality. Examples of "epistemic virtues"are simplicity,
> empirical accuracy, success in prediction, fruitfulness for
> guiding new
> research, etc. Finally, the third type of theory change is
> one where the
> new concept not only replaces the old, but the old is then
> seen not to have
> been science at all.
>
> We see the first and second types of theory replacement
> rather often. They
> can take place in a matter of months or a few years. The
> third type does
> occur but much less frequently and at sometimes more slowly.
> However, when
> they do occur, they still can do so rapidly.
>
> Kessler's two volume set was written while I was still at NSSL (as I
> recall) and is significantly outdated in some areas. As I recall, its
> publication date was in the 1970's. (That alone does not
> mean it is in
> error, however.) At least first order replacement has
> occurred in some
> areas. If possible, if I were you I would try to get copies
> of the AMS
> preprints from the Radar Conferences and of the Severe Local Storms
> conferences. Each of these conferences is held every other
> year. While
> they are not formal publications and therefore are not peer
> reviewed, they
> are typically full of the latest observations, concepts, and ideas.
> Because they lack reviews, there will be concepts and ideas
> that are faulty
> and not mainstream. However, that is always the case, even
> in reviewed
> formal publications. If you are interested, I also have a
> list of what I
> call "foundational papers" that should be read and on
> occasion, reread.
> These papers have withstood the test of time to a greater degree than
> others. The theories are more resilient and are supported by
> follow-on
> research.
>
> Another reason for attempting to get these reprints is the
> fact that by the
> time books are published, they are outdated, sometimes seriously, in
> places. When you submit a conference paper for publication in the
> conference proceedings (preprints) the papers were written ~
> 4 to 6 months
> from printing. When a formal publication appears in a
> journal, the papers
> appearing therein were written 12 to 18 months earlier or
> sometimes even
> two years earlier. They may then be revised 8 to 12 months before
> publication. Book publication, on the other hand, not
> uncommonly requires
> 18 months to 4 years to progress to completion. Then you
> must consider the
> publication date when evaluating a book for your library. In
> other words,
> how long ago was it published from the time you learned of it?
>
> Finally, consider the author's of the papers or books. Are they well
> respected? Do they reference and base their concepts on
> well-founded and
> respected current ideas? That is, do the base their concepts
> on mainstream
> ideas? Who or what institutions employee or have employed
> these authors?
> How widely published are they? How long have they been
> publishing? What
> publications such as journals do they use? How widely
> referenced is their
> work?
>
> BTW, keep in mind, that even when all these tests are adhered to, the
> concepts can be seriously faulty. Over twenty years ago,
> Thomas Kuhn wrote
> a book called "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions".
> While some of his
> points are themselves outdated and unacceptable for other reasons, he
> points out that many major scientific discoveries come from
> people outside
> the mainstream of the dominant theory or paradigm currently
> embraced my the
> scientific community. These sometimes called "peripheral"
> scientists or
> "pseudoscientists", are not trained to see the data in
> certain ways, not
> indoctrinated; they have not put on scientific blinders. It
> is for this
> reason, I have encouraged many of you to rise to the
> challenge, and try
> your hand at a "research mode" or theoretical perspective.
> Keep in mind
> that in order to do this, you often must have a sound foundation in
> physics, fluid dynamics, and mathematics. But, even lacking
> one or more of
> those backgrounds, you can still make a contribution. To
> some of you I say
> "Go for it!!" The heart of science is the concepts, the
> theories developed
> in the mind, and not the observations. Those concepts tie
> together and
> explain the observations but they are not "contained" in the
> observations.
>
> Having written this essay, I have strayed somewhat from the
> purpose of this
> list and even my purpose in writing this!! LOL. My main
> point, perhaps
> you should pursue purchase of some of the AMS conference
> preprints ($30 to
> $35 US). And/or you can wait around a year for the new AMS
> Severe Storms
> Monograph edited by Chuck Doswell, to be published. (LOL, it will
> obviously suffer from some of the same problems enumerated above!)
>
> I will now return to all my work! I really did not have time to write
> this! LOL
>
> Les
>
>
> ************************
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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:41:12 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Jimmy or anyone else,
Got any reports/stories on the Grafton microburst?
Sounds fascinating, that one.
Lindsay P.
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> Great report Paul. Can't wait for the pics. In terms of the report from the
> person, "swirly and not happening everywhere", one must be very careful as
> I had some reports from people who observed the massive microburst in
> Grafton a couple of years ago (200km/hr winds). They talked about tenticles
> and swirling as well. Your judgement may well be correct of microburst damage.
>
SNIP...
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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:31:19 -0800
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Hey Dane,
Thanks for your Obs, interesting. Hey, are you anywhere near West
Heidelberg? I've got
a friend down there and your suburb rings a bell. I'm slowly getting her
onto the net, although she a bit indifferent to all my weather
interests. :-)
Lindsay Pearce
Dane Newman wrote:
>
> * Here are my observations for Kilsyth (outer eastern suburbs
> Melbourne) for January.
> * Ave Max 25.1c (25.6c)
> * Ave Min 13.0c (13.8c)
> * Rain 73.2mm (67.1mm)
> * Rain days 12 (10)
> * Highest Max 33.8c (18th)
> * Lowest Max 17.0c (4th)
> * Lowest Min 5.5c (24th)
> * Days of Fog 0 (0.1)
> * Days of Hail 0 (0.2)
> * Days of Thunder 3 (3.1)
> * long tem averages in Brackets
> * Dane Newman
> *
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:45:57 +0000
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"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> Les (UK)
> (BTW, although I neglected Fujita in the list above, you can
> not go wrong with almost anything he wrote! He is another who was and
> remains very far ahead of his time and his contemporaries.)
Fujita, of course, recognised where the REAL tornadic activity was per unit
area, and it wasn't the United States, but the tornadoes are presently off in
this corner of the Atlantic, we're trying to get it fixed...
Browning had plenty of supercells, severe line squalls and MCS to work with /
from in 1960's Britain, for some reason... He's still hard at it...
Jane O'Neill, God of MSC - cadence at rubix.net.au - has a copy of Brownings
paper...
Get his, Fujitas and of course Lemon / Doswell III 's papers - I get them from
the better half's university library (a medic getting papers on supercells -
now there's something)
Les (UK)
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Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK
Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:50:04 +0000
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Lyle Pakula wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could suggest some recommended reading in relation
> to the mechanics of severe storms.
Some of the best pictures on the 'Net are at:
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com
or follow the top link on my template!
one picture is worth a thousand words (:
Les (UK)
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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God of MSC my foot - now I'm going to have to get it up there properly
aren't I .........
Jane
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>
>
> "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
>
> > Les (UK)
>
> > (BTW, although I neglected Fujita in the list above, you can
> > not go wrong with almost anything he wrote! He is another who was and
> > remains very far ahead of his time and his contemporaries.)
>
> Fujita, of course, recognised where the REAL tornadic activity was per
unit
> area, and it wasn't the United States, but the tornadoes are presently off
in
> this corner of the Atlantic, we're trying to get it fixed...
>
> Browning had plenty of supercells, severe line squalls and MCS to work
with /
> from in 1960's Britain, for some reason... He's still hard at it...
>
> Jane O'Neill, God of MSC - cadence at rubix.net.au - has a copy of Brownings
> paper...
>
> Get his, Fujitas and of course Lemon / Doswell III 's papers - I get them
from
> the better half's university library (a medic getting papers on
supercells -
> now there's something)
>
> Les (UK)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Les Crossan
> Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W
> UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast
> Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS
> http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
> Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK
> Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK
> http://www.torro.org.uk/
> Email: les.NOSPAMcrossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM)
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:19:14 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lyle Pakula wrote on Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:46:55 +1100:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks everyone for the great, and speedy, response!
> I have quite a lot of material to sift through now
> and will hopefully get a much better understanding
> of what's actually going on.
This one, I can't resist after reading through the wonderful
references and essays in this thread...timeless as those
words of wisdom were...there is one timeless book that is
not related to the science of meteorology or religion but
it upholds the cliche "Those who ignore the past are
condemned to repeat it" plus the virtue "I am strongest
when I stand upon the shoulders of giants" etc. My message
here is to don't rush out and grab the "latest" stuff but
try to consider how these people came to add such value
to wealth of meteorological scientific knowledge...I know
science "dates" quickly but it is worthwhile laying down
similar, but better foundations to one's own knowledge.
The book:
"Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds"
- by many and various authors over time (I can't remember
the last one:-) Last printed in Poland (?).
Simply a wonderful account of events in history since before
Christ's time to the 20th century. Some of it is really hard
to read as these were written in old English. I warn you that
it is "heavy going" at times but enlightening. One hard copy
I borrowed was found within the Lindfield Municipal Library
here in Sydney and I don't think that it was reprinted since
some time before WW2. Mind you, "stuff" has happened from WW2
that could fill another volume, not least of which is the
delusion of making any money out of the internet, per say:-)
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:31:57 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Jane ONeill wrote:
> God of MSC my foot - now I'm going to have to get it up there properly
> aren't I .........
That's rain foot, I presume
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:48:01 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Nick Sykes wrote on Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:33:31 +1100:
>
> Well what a night...
I hope you mean last night (Wednesday). I've got to
admit that I'm yet to experience a night in Sydney
this summer (what summer?) that hasn't cooled down
to at least the low 20's or even into the teen's.
Sydney's had a very few hot days AND nights. We may
get another two or so "summer days" late this week.
On the few hot days, we (my family) have been able
to close up the house at 7:30-8:00am that keeps the
inside temperature less than 25C when outside, it's
35C+. Then there has been a wind change or sea
breeze come in about 8:00pm or a southerly-buster
hits during the evening...When this happens, we open
the skylights and windows and within half-an-hour or
so, the house has cooled back down to the low 20's
ready for another day...I cannot remember a night
in Sydney this year when it was difficult to sleep
because it was too hot...To the contrary, we havn't
removed our 2-blanket "dooner" yet and we often get
up in the night to redress our toddler son into his
"winter" gown while he sleeps. Our other two boys
can cover themselves or if they're too asleep, we'll
pull their dooners up also. Otherwise they get cold
and wake us up too early! Even our friends with solar
heated swimming pools are complaining that these are
not getting warmer than 26C. Last year, some were
literally "cooking" at 32C. The ones without solar
heating are not rising above 21C. This is NOT the
average Sydney summer...
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:58:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Boskell [a_boskell at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Warm day ahead for Tas!
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G'day all,
Looks like it will be a warm day for Tassie: Devonport
had already reached it's forecasted max by 9am (23'C),
& King Island was 31"C at 9am!
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:08:39 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Recommended Reading
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Michael Scollay wrote:
. My message
> here is to don't rush out and grab the "latest" stuff but
> try to consider how these people came to add such value
> to wealth of meteorological scientific knowledge...I know
> science "dates" quickly but it is worthwhile laying down
> similar, but better foundations to one's own knowledge.
Here Here.....Excellent words, Excellent thoughts, and well said!
I can't agree more..." try to consider how these people came to add such
value
to wealth of meteorological scientific knowledge", "but it is worthwhile
laying down similar, but better foundations to one's own knowledge."
In fact, IMHO, there are some widely held and ""Extraordinary Popular
Delusions" out there right now claiming to be science and knowledge! We
all must look closely and reason carefully on even the most popular of
ideas and concepts.
Les
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:11:46 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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It's been a funny day...See attached sh-script and run it
if you dare on any UNIX box...It won't do any harm.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:36:59 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Just looking back through the archive logs, I noticed that;
http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/archive/g5iwp/
has dropped resolution from 1700x1700 to 1100x1100. This
means a decrease in resolution from something like 6km
under GMS5's "nose" to 11km. This makes this archive a
poor backup now to the higher resolution gmsd and gmsc
satpics, both of which come in at about 4km giving about
"state of the art for IR GMS5 satpics on the net.
Also, a notable gap yesterday with no images between
200002011831.jpg and 200002020231.jpg from jtwc that was
not reflected in the gmsc/d images.
Congestion is also leading to a loss of images at certain
times of the day. While the archive can mirror a dir like
jtwc reliably and recover from these conditions, when a
file like gmsd/c is present only as a link to the same
file name that gets refreshed every 30 minutes to 1hr,
then there is only a fixed window of time in which to
detect the problem and try a reload. That is not always
successful. The congestion that I am detecting appears
to be confined to outside of Australia and most probably
a symptom of excessive demands on the NPMOC server.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:18:50 +1000
From: Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au]
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Hmmmm...I had 29 degrees here at midnight about 2 weeks ago...no one I talked to could sleep.
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From: Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au
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Subject: aus-wx: TC - Xmas Islands
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:51:45 +0930
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TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 1
Issued at 10:00 am WST on Thursday, 3 February 2000
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
A CYCLONE WATCH has been issued for a tropical low for Christmas Island.
At 9:00 am WST a developing tropical low was estimated to be 580 kilometres east
of Christmas Island and moving west southwest at 10 kilometres per hour towards
the Island. The low is expected to develop into a tropical cyclone in the next
12-24 hours and should pass south of the Island tomorrow night.
Gales are not expected on the Island in the next 24 hours however gales could
develop later tomorrow or tomorrow night.
Details of tropical low at 9:00 am WST.
Location of centre : Within fifty kilometres of
Latitude 11.0 South Longtitude 111.0 East.
Recent movement : West southwest at 10 kilometres per hour.
Central Pressure : 1000 hPa.
Maximum wind gusts : 80 kilometres per hour near the centre.
Severity category : Below category 1.
The next watch will be issued at 1:00 pm WST, and then 6 hourly.
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From: "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: TC Watch for Christmas Island
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:17:18 +0800
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Hey all
TC Leon is expected to form in the next 12/24hrs
East of Christmas Island. Currently the Low is 1000 hPa and moving WSW at
10km/h...
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN
REGIONAL OFFICE
Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used
with this warning.
PRIORITY
TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER
1
Issued at 10:00 am WST on Thursday, 3 February 2000
BY THE BUREAU OF
METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
A CYCLONE WATCH has
been issued for a tropical low for Christmas Island.
At 9:00 am WST a
developing tropical low was estimated to be 580 kilometres east
of Christmas
Island and moving west southwest at 10 kilometres per hour towards
the
Island. The low is expected to develop into a tropical cyclone in the
next
12-24 hours and should pass south of the Island tomorrow
night.
Gales are not expected on the Island in the next 24 hours however
gales could
develop later tomorrow or tomorrow night.
Details of tropical low at 9:00 am WST.
Location of centre
: Within fifty kilometres
of
Latitude
11.0 South Longtitude 111.0 East.
Recent movement : West
southwest at 10 kilometres per hour.
Central Pressure :
1000 hPa.
Maximum wind gusts : 80 kilometres per hour near the
centre.
Severity category : Below category 1.
The next
watch will be issued at 1:00 pm WST, and then 6 hourly.
Regards
Jason
Karratha W.A
P.S Hot in the Pilbara today too....my thermometer
just hit 44.8C but the N'ly Seabreaze is in now so it should level off now
:)
bom also updated the Karratha forecast at 9:36am
taking out the chance of a thunderstorm :(
UPDATED
KARRATHA:
Fine. Early moderate
seabreeze.
Maximum temperature: 38
UV Index: 15 [EXTREME]
027
From: Lyle Pakula [LyleP at oakton.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Hot in Melbourne!
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:43:27 +1100
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Well it looks as if the climbing temps will be subsiding now with a
southerly change moving up the bay as I type. In Aspendale, the maximum temp
was 39.6, dropping sharply to 26.4 (still falling) in about 10 minutes.
Morrabin has dropped about 8 degrees in ~7mins (now sitting on 30.1). The
city is still steaming on 39.1.
Of course i'm at work and wouldn't know if it were winter.
Lyle
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:58:29 +1000
From: Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au]
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Thanks for the invite....would love to join ya.....just a bit far for a day
trip..lol!!
Desley in Cairns
Max King wrote:
> Hi all
>
> A drink ???
> Sounds good to me :))
> I'll try nad make it too :))
>
> Max
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jimmy Deguara
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 6:46 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: NSW group social night..
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Just to get people together, Mario and I have decided to go to the The
> Mean
> > Fiddler for a few drinks and just some fun and laughs.
> >
> > Place: Cnr Windsor & Commercial Rds
> > Rouse Hill NSW 2155
> >
> > Ph: (02) 9629 4811 of the Mean Fiddler if you need it
> >
> > Date: Saturday 5th February 2000
> > Time 7 - 8pm
> >
> > By the way this is not an ASWA event as such so anyone can come and go if
> > they wish. Bring friends and so on. Males and females!!!! Especially
> > females to make the balance. This is an Irish Pub and so you need
> > reasonable dress code - Collar shirts for Males etc... You could eat here
> > if you wish but meats you cook yourself.
> >
> > see you there remember this Saturday
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Interesting temperature contrasts in Tasmania
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:55:06 +1100 (EST)
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Just been looking at the latest obs in Tassie (an internal page,
unfortunately). In what must be close to an unprecedented event in
the middle of the day (in summer, anyway), Mt. Wellington is recording
22.2 (at 1330), whilst Hobart is at 19.7. Hobart is in ESE winds,
Mt. Wellington in westerlies - I can only presume that a weak and
shallow seabreeze is influencing Hobart.
A little further inland numerous stations are topping 30 (32.2 at
Bushy Park). Friendly Beaches, on the east coast, is at 35.0, and even
Barren Tier (a mountaintop site at ~1100m) is showing 25.0. King
Island has dropped back to 19, though.
The latest fire weather estimates have a max of 41 for Melbourne
tomorrow. If the EC comes off this is conservative.
Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne, it's going to be a hot one!!!!
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>
> Well what a night, after a pretty hot day yesterday when the city maximum
> hit 37.3 just after 5pm; last night was meant to get down to around 20 as a
> weak trough was expected to push through and cool things down a bit.
>
> At 11pm, I was thinking of bed, the wind had moderated and the temp was
> around 29, so I went to bed to try and achieve a miracle, sleep in my 30
> degree bedroom. This was not easy, drifted in and out and at 12.30am said
> stuff this and got up. My flatmate was watching a Jackie Chan movie so I sat
> down and had a bit of a watch. When it finished at 1am I headed back to my
> bedroom and had my usual glance at the thermometer, it when 29 (outside). I
> rubbed my eyes to remove any sleep and read again, 29. I thought this is
> weird, should be about 25 by now.
>
> Went outside and to my glee, mixed with pure discuss (I was needing sleep) a
> fresh northerly wind had blown in. Went for a walk for half an hour, the
> northerly was no fluke and blew about 20knot. I thought to myself, either
> the trough has had a heart attack and died or it has stalled on the west
> coast which they often do.
>
> Well sleep was needed so by 2am, with the temp still between 28-29 I headed
> back to bed, thinking, yeah the southerly will probably come through by
> morning.
>
> At 6.45 I was awoken to a banging blind, peered out my window to see trees
> been bent to the left, the northerly remained and it was stronger!!!!
>
> Looked at the thermometer, it read 27, hell yeah I thought, sweet heat
> today.
>
> Quickly got onto the net to see the updated forecast. The BOM are now
> forecasting 35 for Melbourne, up from 32 the trough had stalled on the west
> coast. Some sort of sea breeze type change is expected just after midday.
To no-one's great surprise, the forecast maximum was revised upwards
to 38. There's a fairly strong wind - I'm quite surprised no total
fire ban has been declared.
An interesting local phenomenon this morning - there was a very shallow
layer of cool air (probably only 2-3 metres deep - climbing onto a
bridge was enough to get out of it) along the Yarra River Flats.
Running into it was like stepping into the fridge! (although I'd have
appreciated it more at 25k than 2k...). I would estimate the
temperature of this cool layer at around 15 degrees (at 6.15 a.m.),
probably 10 or so degrees cooler than the immediate vicinity.
Friday night looks horrific - I'll be pleasantly surprised if it gets
significantly below 30.
Blair Trewin
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From: "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Watch for Christmas Island (update)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:05:40 +0800
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TC Watch Update
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN
REGIONAL OFFICE
Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used
with this warning.
PRIORITY
TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER
2
Issued at 12:25 pm WST on Thursday, 3 February 2000
BY THE BUREAU OF
METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
A CYCLONE WATCH is
current for a tropical low for Christmas Island.
At noon WST a developing
tropical low was estimated to be 540 kilometres east of
Christmas Island and
moving westsouthwest at 10 kilometres per hour towards the
Island. The
low is expected to develop into a tropical cyclone in the next
12-24 hours
and should pass south of the Island tomorrow night.
Gales are not
expected on the Island in the next 24 hours however gales could
develop later
tomorrow or tomorrow night.
Details of tropical low at noon
WST.
Location of centre : Within fifty kilometres
of
Latitude 11.1 South Longtitude 110.6 East.
Recent
movement : Westsouthwest at 10 kilometres per hour.
Central Pressure : 1000 hPa.
Maximum wind gusts : 80
kilometres per hour near the centre.
Severity category : Below
category 1.
The next watch will be issued at 7:00 pm WST.
This
advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210.
BoM track map --> http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDW55W00.html
Jason
Karratha W.A
032
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot in Melbourne!
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>
>
>
> Well it looks as if the climbing temps will be subsiding now with a
> southerly change moving up the bay as I type. In Aspendale, the maximum temp
> was 39.6, dropping sharply to 26.4 (still falling) in about 10 minutes.
> Morrabin has dropped about 8 degrees in ~7mins (now sitting on 30.1). The
> city is still steaming on 39.1.
>
> Of course i'm at work and wouldn't know if it were winter.
>
> Lyle
Obviously the power cuts haven't claimed your airconditioning yet...
(ditto ours - but I'm not counting on that remaining the case - if
the Bureau webserver unexpectedly goes offline, that's probably
the explanation).
Melbourne has reached 40.0 at least. The change appears to have just
reached the central city in the last 5 minutes (although the obs
haven't updated yet).
Numerous 43s in Victoria, both in the north-west and in Gippsland.
Blair Trewin
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At 01:55 PM 03-02-2000 +1100, you wrote:
>Just been looking at the latest obs in Tassie (an internal page,
>unfortunately). In what must be close to an unprecedented event in
>the middle of the day (in summer, anyway), Mt. Wellington is recording
>22.2 (at 1330), whilst Hobart is at 19.7. Hobart is in ESE winds,
>Mt. Wellington in westerlies - I can only presume that a weak and
>shallow seabreeze is influencing Hobart.
>
>A little further inland numerous stations are topping 30 (32.2 at
>Bushy Park). Friendly Beaches, on the east coast, is at 35.0, and even
>Barren Tier (a mountaintop site at ~1100m) is showing 25.0. King
>Island has dropped back to 19, though.
>
>The latest fire weather estimates have a max of 41 for Melbourne
>tomorrow. If the EC comes off this is conservative.
It was very interesting to see the weather today: we had NW winds early in
the morning, and it was quite warm (20 C at 7:00). At about 12:00 the
seabreeze rolled up the Derwent and you could see it was much cooler: as it
rolled up the river it condensed into fog, so that there was a layer of
cool air with fog of about 50-100m thickness (SE breeze) and clear, warm
air sitting on top (NW wind). It was like the Bridgewater Jerry (local term
for the fog that rolls DOWN the valley with cold air drainage in winter)
turned around!
Miguel de Salas
School of Plant Science,
University of Tasmania,
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Tasmania, Australia, 7001.
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snow one week, heatwaves the next :)
>G'day all,
>
>Looks like it will be a warm day for Tassie: Devonport
>had already reached it's forecasted max by 9am (23'C),
>& King Island was 31"C at 9am!
>
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Hi
Ian from Hobart here,
This situation has occurred in Hobart before on rare occasions..an enhanced seabreeze effect caused by a very weak shallow cold front. I would expect the westerly stream to resume control once daylight passes and the seabreeze drops..
One of the bureau lads might be able to confim my diagnosis!!
>>> Blair Trewin 02/03/00 01:55pm >>>
Just been looking at the latest obs in Tassie (an internal page,
unfortunately). In what must be close to an unprecedented event in
the middle of the day (in summer, anyway), Mt. Wellington is recording
22.2 (at 1330), whilst Hobart is at 19.7. Hobart is in ESE winds,
Mt. Wellington in westerlies - I can only presume that a weak and
shallow seabreeze is influencing Hobart.
A little further inland numerous stations are topping 30 (32.2 at
Bushy Park). Friendly Beaches, on the east coast, is at 35.0, and even
Barren Tier (a mountaintop site at ~1100m) is showing 25.0. King
Island has dropped back to 19, though.
The latest fire weather estimates have a max of 41 for Melbourne
tomorrow. If the EC comes off this is conservative.
Blair Trewin
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne weather
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 16:23:31 +1100
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Wind change going through the state at the moment - echoes being picked up
to the west of Melbourne - congesting Cu about - area between Werribee &
Ballan bears watching by anyone who's available - if you have a camera or a
video - don't put it away just yet.
Jane ONeill
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:43:05 -0800 (PST)
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Wouldn't have it any other way!
--- Matt Smith wrote:
> snow one week, heatwaves the next :)
>
>
> >G'day all,
> >
> >Looks like it will be a warm day for Tassie:
> Devonport
> >had already reached it's forecasted max by 9am
> (23'C),
> >& King Island was 31"C at 9am!
> >
> >
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> >
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Subject: aus-wx: Vict. Thunder warning / Nice looking squall line developing
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Hey all.
Thunderstorm Warning
Issued at 1650 on Thursday the 3rd of February 2000 forthe Metropolitan Area
Isolated thunderstorms are expected over the Melbourne metropolitan area at
first evening.
Here - there is 2 good looking squall lines developing on radar heading this
way - hope they get more organsied -
looks like I will get drenched again at training
ohh well.
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Can't recall having seen one of these b4.............
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Northern Territory Region
Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
TOP PRIORITY - for immediate broadcast!!!
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Number 1
Issued by BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
at 4:06 pm CST Thursday 3 FEBRUARY 2000
At 04:00 pm a line of thunderstorms was located by radar 35 kilometres east
of
DARWIN moving towards the west at 40 kilometres per hour.
Wind gusts of 80 kilometres per hour have been reported near the line, but
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Subject: aus-wx: NT Severe Thunderstorm Warning!!!!!!
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Wowsers - I have never seen this!!
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Northern Territory Region
Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
TOP PRIORITY - for immediate broadcast!!!
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Number 1
Issued by BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
at 4:06 pm CST Thursday 3 FEBRUARY 2000
At 04:00 pm a line of thunderstorms was located by radar 35 kilometres east of
DARWIN moving towards the west at 40 kilometres per hour.
Wind gusts of 80 kilometres per hour have been reported near the line, but
stronger squalls are possible.
The Following areas may experience severe wind gusts in the next hour:
Howard Springs
Darwin River Berry Springs
Manton Dam Palmerston
Darwin Charles Point
Belyuen Bynoe Harbour
People in these areas are advised to secure outside items and seek shelter.
NEXT WARNING: no later than 4:30 pm
==================================================================
ABBREVIATED MESSAGE FOR TV ONLY
Darwin Bureau of Meteorology SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
issued 4:06 pm 03/02/2000 for Howard Springs to Bynoe Harbour including
Darwin.
It is looking black here!!
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: NT STA 16:06 CST
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> Can't recall having seen one of these b4.............
>
>
>
I'm assuming that this is because a warning service has just been
introduced for Darwin, rather than because this is a particularly
severe storm. (I can't recall seeing one for Darwin before either).
Blair Trewin
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STA for Darwin ?!?!?!?!?!?!
Thats different :)
Hmmmmmm..........looks like everyone wants to get in on the STA act :))
Max
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> Can't recall having seen one of these b4.............
>
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> Northern Territory Region
> Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
>
> TOP PRIORITY - for immediate broadcast!!!
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Number 1
> Issued by BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> at 4:06 pm CST Thursday 3 FEBRUARY 2000
>
> At 04:00 pm a line of thunderstorms was located by radar 35 kilometres
east
> of
> DARWIN moving towards the west at 40 kilometres per hour.
>
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From: "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: NT Severe Thunderstorm Warning!!!!!!
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Hey Paul
First time ive seen a STW issued up there too......radar looks good atm,
Getting lots of pics for us all ???????
Jason
Karratha WA
http://www.kisser.net.au/kevans/weather/
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Subject: aus-wx: NT Severe Thunderstorm Warning!!!!!!
> Wowsers - I have never seen this!!
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> Northern Territory Region
> Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
>
> TOP PRIORITY - for immediate broadcast!!!
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Number 1
> Issued by BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> at 4:06 pm CST Thursday 3 FEBRUARY 2000
>
> At 04:00 pm a line of thunderstorms was located by radar 35 kilometres
east of
> DARWIN moving towards the west at 40 kilometres per hour.
>
> Wind gusts of 80 kilometres per hour have been reported near the line, but
> stronger squalls are possible.
>
> The Following areas may experience severe wind gusts in the next hour:
>
>
> Howard Springs
> Darwin River Berry Springs
> Manton Dam Palmerston
> Darwin Charles Point
> Belyuen Bynoe Harbour
>
>
>
> People in these areas are advised to secure outside items and seek
shelter.
>
>
> NEXT WARNING: no later than 4:30 pm
> ==================================================================
>
> ABBREVIATED MESSAGE FOR TV ONLY
>
>
> Darwin Bureau of Meteorology SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
> issued 4:06 pm 03/02/2000 for Howard Springs to Bynoe Harbour including
> Darwin.
>
>
> It is looking black here!!
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Subject: aus-wx: Darwin Storm
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Hey all have a look at the darwin web cam! showing
a very nice gust front over the harbour! http://www.qantmnt.au-net.com/webcam/index.html
I hope Paul is getting heaps of pics!!
Regards
Jason
Karratha W.A
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:50:10 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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This is great to see that Darwin is going to issue warnings for some of
the thunderstorms up there! I like the angle the Darwin BoM has taken,
quite a few of the other BoM's will not take much notice of 70-80km/h
winds - I'd like to see the BoM's encourage spotters to report
"near-severe thunderstorms" - as after all, it's quite possible that the
thunderstorm could intensify, or they may have not got the full force of
the storm.
Have you have anything to do with the implementation of t'storm warnings
in Darwin, Paul? If so - great work, and congratulations!!!
Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au wrote:
>
> Wowsers - I have never seen this!!
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> Northern Territory Region
> Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
>
> TOP PRIORITY - for immediate broadcast!!!
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING Number 1
> Issued by BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> at 4:06 pm CST Thursday 3 FEBRUARY 2000
>
> At 04:00 pm a line of thunderstorms was located by radar 35 kilometres east of
> DARWIN moving towards the west at 40 kilometres per hour.
>
> Wind gusts of 80 kilometres per hour have been reported near the line, but
> stronger squalls are possible.
>
> The Following areas may experience severe wind gusts in the next hour:
>
> Howard Springs
> Darwin River Berry Springs
> Manton Dam Palmerston
> Darwin Charles Point
> Belyuen Bynoe Harbour
>
> People in these areas are advised to secure outside items and seek shelter.
>
> NEXT WARNING: no later than 4:30 pm
> ==================================================================
>
> ABBREVIATED MESSAGE FOR TV ONLY
>
> Darwin Bureau of Meteorology SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
> issued 4:06 pm 03/02/2000 for Howard Springs to Bynoe Harbour including
> Darwin.
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe TS at Berrimah
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A chase report and pictures at
http://thunder.simplenet.com/chase/chase5.htm
bear in mind that I experienced the storm further east about an hour later.
There is however an interesting E Mail from an eye witness.
Michael
>
> Got any reports/stories on the Grafton microburst?
>
> Sounds fascinating, that one.
>
> Lindsay P.
>
> Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> >
> > Great report Paul. Can't wait for the pics. In terms of the report from
the
> > person, "swirly and not happening everywhere", one must be very careful
as
> > I had some reports from people who observed the massive microburst in
> > Grafton a couple of years ago (200km/hr winds). They talked about
tenticles
> > and swirling as well. Your judgement may well be correct of microburst
damage.
> >
> SNIP...
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coastal minimums
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I have noticed this as well, with Coffs Harbour having lower record minimums
than Wollongong.
I live about 1.5km from the ocean, but only 200m from Lake Illawarra, I have
only seen 1 frost in the last 6 years. Yet 5 km west at Albion Park frost
can occur around 10-15 mornings a year.
Michael
> Blair
>
> When I was a forecaster at the Bureau of Met I remember being routinely
> surprised by minimums from Coffs Harbour. I believe the MO is within sight
> of the water but I recall seeing sub-zero temperatures there on many
> occasions. It struck me as a very unusual site in that respect. Do you
have
> any figures for Coffs Harbour? How does it compare to the other notable
> sites you listed for coastal NSW?
>
> Mark
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> >From: Blair Trewin
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter?
> >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:45
> >
>
> >>
> >> A rather late post on this thread I'm afraid,...
> >>
> >> I have a book "Exotica" (no that's not erotica...), which has a photo
of
> >> Monstera Deliciosa plants growing on Bald Cypress trees hung with
Spanish
> >> Moss (Tilandsia sp.). The caption on the photo goes on to mention that
the
> >> plants "have withstood 19F cold here at Tampa Florida". Tampa is on
the
> >> Gulf coast side of the Florida peninsular, at a latitude approximately
equal
> >> to the QLD Gold Coast. 19F is -7.2C! This would be extreme cold for
the
> >> Gold Coast (and most of NSW coast down to Sydney for that matter) and I
> >> doubt that anything remotely like this has ever been recorded on the
Gold
> >> Coast itself. (Perhaps maybe at Binna Burra or Springbook at around
1000m
> >> elevation).
> > Nothing like this has ever been recorded on ANY Australian coast, let
> > alone a tropical one! Even in Tasmania, few coastal sites have been
> > below -3.
> >
> > Low temperatures have, however, been recorded quite close to the coast
> > - in Queensland as well as further south. Notable low minima within
> > 50km or so of the coast (and near sea level)
> > include -5 at Amberley (on the western fringe
> > of Brisbane), -8 at Richmond (western fringe of Sydney), -7 at Bega
> > (about 15km inland from the far south coast of NSW), -7 at Bairnsdale
> > and -6 at Sale (both 10-20km inland from the Gippsland coast). The
> > Richmond figure is the lowest recorded below 200m in Australia,
> > although I suspect that Coldstream will eventually break this record
> > when it has a long enough period of observations.
> >
> > The highlands in SE Queensland have also had some very low minima.
> > As far as I know there's never been a temperature site at either
> > Binna Burra or Springbrook (and as ridgetop sites I wouldn't expect
> > either to have especially low minima anyway), but a bit further inland
> > Stanthorpe and Warwick have both recorded -11. I wouldn't be surprised
> > if the new Glen Innes site eventually gets close to -15, although the
> > lowest so far (in about 3-4 years of record) is -10.
> >
> > Blair Trewin
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: For those with SDS??
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:34:53 +1100
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From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: For those with SDS??
> Hi Jimmy and all,
>
> Here in Queensland, I have done further research into Supercell
> Deprivation Syndrome. I have outlined four different types (or
> acronyms), of SDS.
>
> The first, least severe is: Supercell Deprivation Syndrome - if you're
> only supercell deprived, it can't be that bad!
>
> Second, is: Storm Deprivation Syndrome - this is when you have no
> storms, let alone a supercell! It is at this stage when things start
> getting serious.
>
> Third, is: Summer Deprivation Syndrome - this is when you don't have
> summer, let alone storms, let alone a supercell! You commence abnormal
> behaviour after this (if chasing after storms isn't abnormal enough!)
>
> Four, and most serious is: Spormer Deprivation Syndrome - Where spormer
> is a 5th season that occurs from October 16 to January 15. Spormer is
> derived from Spring + Storms + Summer. This is when, not only do you
> not get storms that occur in the Spormer Season (ie supercells), but you
> don't get storms, you don't get spring, and summer has dissappeared off
> somewhere, never to be found again until the next year! During Spormer
> Derpivation Syndrome, you get excited over a large Cu, or a puddle that
> forms during a moderate shower, or that little white spec on the sat
> pics that *could* be a 20,000ft storm 600km away to your SW that *could*
> itensify as it reaches you in your +10 LI environment, or that coastal
> Cb 200km out to sea that *could* intensity into such a left moving
> supercell, it'll actually move towards the coast.
>
> I do not believe it is a coincedence that all of these have the 3 same
> initials of SDS!
>
> What am I suffering from? Spormer Deprivation Syndrome!! And BADLY!!!
> Another bout of throwing ice cubes on the roof this afternoon...
>
> Yes I am weird
>
> Anthony Cornelius
>
Don't worry Anthony.......those nice men in white coats & the little green
van will be there soon..........hehehehe
John from Ballina
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From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Darwin storm on web cam!
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Hi Everyone
I managed to save the whole evolution of this nice gust front on the darwin
web cam. Quiet spectacular indeed! I sent the images to Ben Quinn to make a
loop and he has put them up here :
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/otherstates/nt/03-02-2000/
Its worth the 2 minute or so wait to download!
Enjoy
Matt Smith
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Darwin storm on web cam!
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:35:42 +1100
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Matt Smith wrote:
>I managed to save the whole evolution of this nice gust front on the darwin
>web cam. Quiet spectacular indeed! I sent the images to Ben Quinn to make a
>loop
Guys,
This has got to be the most wonderful cure for SDS I've seen in a long
time!!!!! It might keep us going through winter - hey, maybe an archive of
loops like this would be a good idea?!!
Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:34:43 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Matt, everyone..
That animation reminds me of the 1998 Brisbane Supercell (Tornadic) gust
front which was caught on the Brisbane webcam..
Short version (1 meg)
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/october98/13/assor/brisbanestormanimationsmall.gif
And the full version (3 meg - but definately worth the wait!!!)
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/october98/13/assor/brisbanestormanimation.gif
Matt Smith wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I managed to save the whole evolution of this nice gust front on the darwin
> web cam. Quiet spectacular indeed! I sent the images to Ben Quinn to make a
> loop and he has put them up here :
>
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/otherstates/nt/03-02-2000/
>
> Its worth the 2 minute or so wait to download!
>
> Enjoy
>
> Matt Smith
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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin storm on web cam!
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:45:12 +1100
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Now thats one beautiful gust front. Very spectacular looking storm indeed.
Hope I get to see something like that as I am heading up to Darwin from the
3rd to the 12th March. Ill be taking plenty of film with me thats for sure.
Matthew Piper
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:17 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Darwin storm on web cam!
> Hi Everyone
>
> I managed to save the whole evolution of this nice gust front on the
darwin
> web cam. Quiet spectacular indeed! I sent the images to Ben Quinn to make
a
> loop and he has put them up here :
>
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/otherstates/nt/03-02-2000/
>
> Its worth the 2 minute or so wait to download!
>
> Enjoy
>
> Matt Smith
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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:19:43 +0930
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin storm
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Howdy all.
Well what an afternoon - first storm warning for the season and
probably the whole year, decade etc.!!
The storm itself was quite spectacular in its shape & form.
Great low ragged gust front, with that dark curtain behind it looks
forboding.
Got some good pics - have to get them developed!
When almost on Darwin the storm itself swung to the SW and hit
Mandoorah - be interesting to hear reports in the morning
(Mandoorah is the other side of the Harbour).
We got the side of the squall line itself - and a great dirt
gustnado?? / Dust devil?? (there is a development area to the North
/ North East from my place some 200 - 300m away). It was like
150m + high and the width of a street - raced up my street with
paper and leaves etc swirling round in it - and spraying everywhere
with dust!! This was assoc with what looked to be a swirling ragged
prong that hung out from the lip of the front/squallline. No
preciptation atthis stage - and little wind.
Wish could get good pics of it - happened so fast I was standng
there dumbstruck trying to really figure out what it was. And it
moved at decent speed - I tried sprinting after it but lost it as it hit
the top of the crest of the hill and sort of kept going .........
Any ideas?
Paul.
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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin storm on web cam!
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:54:49 +1100
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Hi Ben,
That was the sequence I created wasnt it. I remember that day very well. I
didnt take my eyes off the cam for one second.
Matthew Piper
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From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Darwin storm on web cam!
> Hi Matt, everyone..
>
> That animation reminds me of the 1998 Brisbane Supercell (Tornadic) gust
> front which was caught on the Brisbane webcam..
>
> Short version (1 meg)
>
>
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/october98/13/assor/brisbanestorma
nimationsmall.gif
>
> And the full version (3 meg - but definately worth the wait!!!)
>
>
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/october98/13/assor/brisbanestorma
nimation.gif
>
>
>
> Matt Smith wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone
> >
> > I managed to save the whole evolution of this nice gust front on the
darwin
> > web cam. Quiet spectacular indeed! I sent the images to Ben Quinn to
make a
> > loop and he has put them up here :
> >
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/archiveddata/otherstates/nt/03-02-2000/
> >
> > Its worth the 2 minute or so wait to download!
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> > Matt Smith
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