Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Thursday, 24 February 2000

From Subject -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 001 Harald Richter [hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa Plains going off... 002 Harald Richter [hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa Plains went off ... 003 Andrew Boskell [a_boskell at yahoo.com] ASWA Photo Comp 004 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] Pictures 005 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] Currently Driest place in QLD? 006 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Currently Driest place in QLD? 007 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Currently Driest place in QLD? 008 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Dick Smith's Balloon Flight 009 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Like Brisbane here 010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect 011 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect 012 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect 013 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Mt. Kilomanjaro ice melting - was "Lake Eyre - what sort of 014 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Run of warm nights in Melbourne 015 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Dick Smith's Balloon Flight - the winner is... 016 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Thankyou 017 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Thankyou 018 paulmoss at tpgi.com.au Thankyou -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 001 From: Harald Richter [hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Plains going off... To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Australian Severe Weather Association) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:40:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Folks, The 22:43 Z bow echo as seen from the Wichita Falls (FDR) radar looked like an amazing wave-breaking event. It seemed to evolve out of more supercellular-looking convection near Wichita Falls earlier. There's a spotter report of a brief tornado touchdown near Vernon, TX. There was also a tornado warning down near the Mexican/Texan border. By the time the line of thunderstorms got into the vicinity of Norman (my place of residence) * it was dark * the line had weakened as it had moved into a rain-cooled low-level airmass that had seen virtually no sun all day * I was "expected" at home :( Soooo: lightning at a rate of several flashes per minute, 20 seconds of icy peas and some moderate to heavy rain - that was it from this event in Norman. BUT, keep in mind, it is supposed to be winter in this part of the galaxy! The current +36h forecast of the ETA model shows the next upper-level system moving into the Plains by Thursday evening (local time). Low levels are progged to have a pleasantly moist airmass (Td = 15+ Celsius), LIs around -5 and a nicely curved hodograph supporting supercells. If that really pans out none of us (my lab and this list) will get any work done .... Cheers from a sunny Norman with gusty *southerly* winds, Harald P.S.: I am not sure how many "US weather" posts are appropriate for this group - send me some feedback *off line* if you wish. -- --------------------------------------------- Harald Richter National Severe Storms Laboratory 1313 Halley Circle Norman, OK 73069 ph.: (405) 366-0430 fax: (405) 579-0808 email: hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov --------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 002 From: Harald Richter [hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov] Subject: aus-wx: Plains went off ... To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Australian Severe Weather Association) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:01:59 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good morning ASWA, As an appendum, currently the Storm Prediction Center has collected 5 tornado, 3 severe wind and 27 severe hail reports. All 5 tornadoes were reported in Texas. I also suspect some under-reporting from sparsely-populated southern TX (near Del Rio). Their storms looked very impressive on radar triggering several tornado warnings last night. Harald -- --------------------------------------------- Harald Richter National Severe Storms Laboratory 1313 Halley Circle Norman, OK 73069 ph.: (405) 366-0430 fax: (405) 579-0808 email: hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov --------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 003 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Boskell [a_boskell at yahoo.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Photo Comp To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Greg, No worries! Hopefully you have now received my submission. Andrew. --- Greg Spencer wrote: > Andrew, > > Sorry about that, with all the other things that > I've had to do, I guess it > got forgotten, Can you send the images to me again > please > > Regards > > Greg Spencer > > Andrew Boskell wrote: > > > Greg, > > > > Why does it say to send the photo submissions to > the > > webmaster in the news letter instead of your > address?? > > Perhaps that's why you don't have many > photo's....I > > had sent mine to the webmaster address as per the > news > > letter! > > > > Andrew. > > > > --- Greg Spencer wrote: > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > Only 4 more days until end end of submissions > for > > > next months photo > > > competition. I dont have as many photos as I was > > > expecting. Can people > > > please get there photos to me as soon as > possible so > > > I can add them to > > > the collection. Please send them to my email > address > > > and not the > > > webmaster address as I wont get them if you do > send > > > them to the > > > webmaster address. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Greg Spencer > > > Assistant Webmaster > > > Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > > your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > ===== > > Andrew Boskell > > > > "Some people are weather wise, others are > otherwise!" > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > ===== Andrew Boskell "Some people are weather wise, others are otherwise!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 004 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:08:04 +1100 From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Pictures Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Anthony 20-40, 40-60's?? Chas Strahan Tasmania Anthony Cornelius wrote: > Hi all, > Some showers sitting around the 20-40 > range sat on some of the ranges for most of the day too. While heading > back on the SE Fwy, I encountered some 40-60's at around 12:10am, > certainly something nice to drive through :) > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 005 From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: RE: aus-wx: Currently Driest place in QLD? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:13:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Given the flooding rains in inland QLD and monsoonal downpours in tropical QLD, I suspect that Mt. Crosby may be currently one of the driest places in QLD, having received a total of just 32.8mm for February so far to 9:00am this morning. This is roundabout one quarter of the Brisbane Feb Mean, and less than one tenth the rainfall received here last Feb. Despite a heavy cloud cover, the last few days only have yielded sub 1mm totals. But.... Still 5 days to go in Feb and an awful lot of rain can fall in 5 days... John. >snip > >At least you are getting rain/showers, here in the Illawarra it is as dry as >the proverbial. The whole 0.6mm we had last night had me excited ! > >Michael > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have uploaded some pictures taken today >> >> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/assor/22-02-2000/22-02-200002.jpg >> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/assor/22-02-2000/22-02-200003.jpg >> >> Oh what i would do for a decent storm day.. i think it's getting close >> to the point where we start looking forward to next season! >> Ben Quinn >> The Brisbane Storm Chasers Homepage (BSCH) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 006 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:45:17 +1100 From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Currently Driest place in QLD? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, If it makes you feel any better i have only recorded 25mm of rain (actually 50mm - but somone planted a great big bush next to my gauge and it's not accurate at the moment - i estimate around 25mm).. *sigh* John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi All, > > Given the flooding rains in inland QLD and monsoonal downpours in tropical > QLD, I suspect that Mt. Crosby may be currently one of the driest places in > QLD, having received a total of just 32.8mm for February so far to 9:00am > this morning. This is roundabout one quarter of the Brisbane Feb Mean, and > less than one tenth the rainfall received here last Feb. Despite a heavy > cloud cover, the last few days only have yielded sub 1mm totals. > > But.... Still 5 days to go in Feb and an awful lot of rain can fall in 5 > days... > > John. > >snip > > > >At least you are getting rain/showers, here in the Illawarra it is as dry > as > >the proverbial. The whole 0.6mm we had last night had me excited ! > > > >Michael > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I have uploaded some pictures taken today > >> > >> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/assor/22-02-2000/22-02-200002.jpg > >> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/assor/22-02-2000/22-02-200003.jpg > >> > >> Oh what i would do for a decent storm day.. i think it's getting close > >> to the point where we start looking forward to next season! > >> Ben Quinn > > >> The Brisbane Storm Chasers Homepage (BSCH) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Ben Quinn The Brisbane Storm Chasers Homepage (BSCH) http://www.bsch.simplenet.com The Australian Weather Pages Webring http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/webring/index.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 007 From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Currently Driest place in QLD? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:31:51 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi All, > > Given the flooding rains in inland QLD and monsoonal downpours in tropical > QLD, I suspect that Mt. Crosby may be currently one of the driest places in > QLD, having received a total of just 32.8mm for February so far to 9:00am > this morning. This is roundabout one quarter of the Brisbane Feb Mean, and > less than one tenth the rainfall received here last Feb. Despite a heavy > cloud cover, the last few days only have yielded sub 1mm totals. > > But.... Still 5 days to go in Feb and an awful lot of rain can fall in 5 > days... If you go to the Bureau's climate web site (www.bom.gov.au/climate), then click 'Australian Maps/Rainfall Maps/Month To Date'), there are maps of the rainfall to date for the month for Australia, each of the states, and SE Australia (the SE Australia map is analysed using a finer grid-scale than the others because of the greater station density). There's also a 'Station Totals' option which lists the total to date of all the real-time reporting stations. (Because these are based on real-time daily reports, if a station isn't reporting, it can take a while for the system to catch up with it - this explains the occasional 'bullseyes' where there is a region with a station that isn't reporting and is being registered as zero). Anyway, the driest area of Queensland this month seems to be the area immediately inland from Brisbane, with many stations in the 10-20mm range. The lowest totals from stations I don't suspect of under- reporting are 9.4mm at Texas and 10.6 at Boonah. There's also an area of low rainfall in the far south-west. I'm highly sceptical of the 0.4 at Diamantina Lakes, but the 15.2 at Birdsville seems real. Blair Trewin +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 008 X-Sender: disarm at braenet.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:47:43 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Subject: aus-wx: Dick Smith's Balloon Flight Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well he made it! This from the Australian Geographic Website INCREDIBLE JOURNEY OVER WORLD-FIRST BALLOON CROSSING OF THE TASMAN A PERFECT TOUCHDOWN Current as of 1:10 pm, AESST, Thursday 24/2/00: After 55 hours and 12 minutes in the air, Dick and John have gently put down their balloon on a beach at Woody Head on the NSW mid-north coast. The balloon is surrounded by media and well-wishers. Dick has paid tribute to "the Bureau of Meteorology for incredibly accurate predictions for the whole of the journey allowing us to make the crossing in record time. It would not have been possible without them". The successful landing took place at Ten Mile Beach just 17 km north of Iluka. To make a safe landing, Dick and John needed a large flat landing with no obstacles such as power lines or buildings. The deserted beach they are at was ideal. I guess the BoM will be happy with some good publicity. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 009 From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Like Brisbane here Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:10:32 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Very humid here in Melbourne with dew points near 20 across most of Victoria. At the moment(2.10pm) it is 28c in Melbourne Dew pt 19c. Dane.

010 From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:27:31 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >Not being an expert on this field I wonder what Lake Eyre will look over the > >coming months. There has been considerable rain in catchments, and many of > >the flood peaks coming down through SW Queensland will not be losing much to > >soil soak ( as in the past ) as the entire course has had rain. > > > >Any projected comparisons to previous fills ? > > > >Will coastal Australia be knee deep in Pelicans in a couple of years - > >Pelican numbers tend to increase dramatically over coastal Australia when > >Lake Eyre starts to dry. It was very noticeable here at Lake Illawarra. > > > >Michael Thompson > >http://thunder.simplenet.com > > As someone with a lay interest, I'd say maybe a filling on par with 1989? > That year the north lake almost filled after the south lake filled and > overflowed for the first time in recorded history. Obviously that won't > happen this time [not enough rain in the southern Flinders Ranges > catchments], but I don't think we're looking at a 'great filling' a la > 1974. Even if the whole lake doesn't fill however, the southern bays will, > and it will be a spectacular sight for anyone camping in that area..... > > A 1 in 10 year fill I'd say. I'd concur with this - on the assumption of average rainfall (i.e. not much) over the coming months. If there is further substantial rain then the fill could be more substantial. One would expect the fill to be less than 1974: the heaviest rains in the catchment have been more localised than in 1974 (virtually all of Queensland, except for parts of the Darling Downs, got more than 200mm in January 1974, whereas only 10-15% of the state has done so this month), and, as far as I know, only one major inland river (the Thomson) looks like exceeding its 1974 flood level. 1974 also saw heavy rain (and increased cloud cover, which would have minimised evaporation losses) later on closer to Lake Eyre, especially in February and April. (The heavy rain in the southern NT shouldn't have much impact on Lake Eyre - to the best of my knowledge, rivers like the Finke and Palmer die in the Simpson Desert without ever reaching Lake Eyre - the major remote catchments for Lake Eyre are the Diamantina and Cooper systems). 1989 was a bit of an unusual one in that the filling was driven by what was happening in the immediate vicinity of Lake Eyre - rainfall for the 6 months to May 1989 was exceptionally high in much of northern SA, but near average in most of the Queensland catchments. The 2000 event is much more (at present) one of the 1974 type, if not yet its magnitude. Blair Trewin +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 011 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:17:21 -0800 From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good question, I second that enquiry. Also, does anyone have any information on the melting of glacial ice on Mount Kilimanjaro or any good links to it? After some of the global warming discussions we've had, it prompted me to enquire about this, one of my favourite mountains. I know there has been some considerable melting up there. It's a fascinating mountain as it is very high but much more accessible for the average person, compared to most high mountains. Lindsay Pearce Michael Thompson wrote: > > Not being an expert on this field I wonder what Lake Eyre will look over the > coming months. There has been considerable rain in catchments, and many of > the flood peaks coming down through SW Queensland will not be losing much to > soil soak ( as in the past ) as the entire course has had rain. > > Any projected comparisons to previous fills ? > > Will coastal Australia be knee deep in Pelicans in a couple of years - > Pelican numbers tend to increase dramatically over coastal Australia when > Lake Eyre starts to dry. It was very noticeable here at Lake Illawarra. > > Michael Thompson > http://thunder.simplenet.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 012 X-Sender: paisley at mail.cobweb.com.au Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:12:01 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Good question, I second that enquiry. Also, does anyone have any >information on the melting of glacial ice on Mount Kilimanjaro or any >good links to it? After some of the global warming discussions we've >had, it prompted me to enquire about this, one of my favourite >mountains. I know there has been some considerable melting up there. >It's a fascinating mountain as it is very high but much more accessible >for the average person, compared to most high mountains. > >Lindsay Pearce Not sure about Kilimanjaro, but i'm pretty sure that equatorial glaciers are amongst the most sensitive of all - their existance is aways a sensitive balance of precipitation, mostly wet snow near 0deg, and melting. The CSIRO [I think] did a survey of the Equatorial glaciers of West Irian in the early 70's and even then they were much reduced from the 1930's [this book may be in some libraries - it has some great shots of the glaciers taken by aviators in the 1930's that look more like New Zealand than the equator!] Mt Kenya in Africa has also suffered extensive glacier retreat this century and in fact has lost some glaciers completely. Finally, the second lower peak of Kilimanjaro [Mawenzi? sp?] has also lost its glacier in the last century. Try a university library. I know one book at the Barr Smith at Adelaide uni that has a wonderful collection of photographs of Kilimanjaro going back over a century that demonstrate glacier retreat very clearly [I think they conclude the retreat has as much to do woth declining precipitation as it has with global warming] Can you telnet to the library, or look up it's web page? A few carefully chosen search terms would surely hit something.... Phil 'Paisley' Bagust paisley at cobweb.com.au http://www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:06:12 +1100 013 From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au] Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Mt. Kilomanjaro ice melting - was "Lake Eyre - what sort of fill can we expect" Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lindsay wrote on Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:17:21 -0800: > > Good question, I second that enquiry. Also, does anyone have any > information on the melting of glacial ice on Mount Kilimanjaro or any > good links to it? After some of the global warming discussions we've > had, it prompted me to enquire about this, one of my favourite > mountains. I know there has been some considerable melting up there. > It's a fascinating mountain as it is very high but much more accessible > for the average person, compared to most high mountains. [snip Lake Eyre stuff] During my visit and climb to the highest point of this "dormant" volcano during 1991 (Uhuru Pt. 5895m), I met some scientists trudging en-route from the crater who where studying whether the ice melting on this mountain was due to a hotter mountain rather than a hotter planet and/or reduced precipitation per se. They could not make up their minds one way or another for sure as the data they carried was yet to be properly analysed but quote: "There is some evidence of minor activity in the crater that would contribute to the loss of the ice-cap but we also think that there has been a more substantial drop in the amount ofprecipitation over the last 20 years but this is only anecdotal evidence from visual observations". The same has been said of the loss of ice from Mt.Kenya (which my wife and I also climbed in 1991) but this dormant volcano is in a more direct line-of-fire of the dryer-than-usual air masses that venture south from continually drought-affected Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia to the NW, N & NE respectively. The region around Lake Turkana in NNW Kenya was incredibly dry when we visited and according to local tribes, the lake itself had dropped some 3m in living memory. This is a combination of both the widening rift valley in that region and a net reduction of precipitation in the catchment areas around (mainly to the south and the north is dryer). My studies of SOI trends, with the exception of the recent +ve SOI's puts -ve SOI's some 20% more prevalent after 1980 to end-1999 than in the 20 years to 1980. In Australia and in this region of Africa, there is a tendency for dryer-warmer-than-ususal conditions. I think our "smoking gun" that is melting ice on Mt. Kenya and Mt.Kilomanjaro is mainly a medium-term dryer-warmer climate change for Mt.Kenya and a combination of both minor vulcanism and climate-change for Mt.Kilomanjaro. The latter is much higher (5895m) meaning that temperature is probably less of an ice- melting factor than a net reduction in precipitation overall. When you visit this mountain, what strikes you is the complete absence of ice in many regions then sheer ice-cliffs to a bit of ice-cap in somewhat random areas of the crater, some on the crater rim, others in the valley. Ironically, most ice is found on the western edge of the crater floor that is about 400m lower than the crater rim and highest point to the south. As for links...I havn't trolled the search engines yet... All things considered equal in this global warming discussion, one needs to consider everything else first... Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 014 From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Subject: aus-wx: Run of warm nights in Melbourne To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:37:12 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Melbourne has had its eighth consecutive minimum of 19 degrees or warmer. This equals the record set 25 January-1 February 1974 and 26 February-5 March 1983. Minima of 20 or 21 are forecast for the next two nights, so the record should be broken. It has reached 29.4 today (and still rising). Assuming a top of 30 the mean so far would be 30.9. Given the forecast for the next four days, the February record of 30.2 should be broken comfortably. The all-months record of 31.0 looks unlikely, unless perhaps the Saturday change is delayed long enough to get a mid-30s day on Saturday as well as Friday. The most likely value is in the 30.4-30.7 range. The mean minimum is up to 17.8 now - likely to be the second-highest on record (after February 1997). Blair Trewin +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 015 X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:59:57 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dick Smith's Balloon Flight - the winner is... Cc: halden at one.net.au Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Halden's daughter Kirryn managed to win the prize! Using the AVN site and Halden's skills she picked: 29 deg 26 min S 153 deg 22 min E and 50 hours flight time and the actual landing was at: 29 deg 19 min S 153 deg 21 min E and 55 hours flight time. regards, Michael At 13:47 24/02/2000 +1100, you wrote: >Well he made it! This from the Australian Geographic Website > >INCREDIBLE JOURNEY OVER > > WORLD-FIRST BALLOON CROSSING OF THE > TASMAN A PERFECT TOUCHDOWN > > Current as of 1:10 pm, AESST, Thursday 24/2/00: After 55 >hours > and 12 minutes in the air, Dick and John have gently put >down [snip] ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au Wollongbar NSW 2477 http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/ Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ Secretary ASWA Inc. http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 016 From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Thankyou Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:30:16 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi Everyone,

I would like to extend a big heartfelt thankyou to all who attended last nights dinner. It was certainly a great night and I enjoyed it immensely along with everyone else. It made me proud to be an ASWA member and to know so many great people with similar interests. May there be many more such occasions in the future.

Matthew Piper

017 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:57:56 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Thankyou Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I also thoroughly enjoyed the discussion and catching up with Paul Mossman. Jimmy Deguara At 20:30 24/02/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I would like to extend a big heartfelt thankyou to all who attended last >nights dinner. It was certainly a great night and I enjoyed it immensely >along with everyone else. It made me proud to be an ASWA member and to >know so many great people with similar interests. May there be many more >such occasions in the future. > >Matthew Piper +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 018 From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:38:25 +0930 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Thankyou X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Times New RomanI echo the same sentinents Matthew. What an excellent job you did organising it! Thankyou to all who showed -it was the best night! I tell you that I was a little disillushioned with ASWA prior to this meeting/dinner - but I aint now!! What an excellent President & Tresurer & General committee members we have! Next time you wanna think negative thoughts - just remember the people behind the scenes! What a great bunch of guys / lady - and hey Mario - hope you went ok! .....(wink wink) PS - Matthew / Mario how I told you it was peltin down in Darwin - we had 84mm til 9am this morning! & It started about 10.30pm Darwin time! On 24 Feb 00, at 20:30, Matthew Piper wrote: ArialHi Everyone,Times New Roman ArialI would like to extend a big heartfelt thankyou to all who attended last nights dinner. It was certainly a great night and I enjoyedit immensely along with everyone else. It made me proud to be an ASWA member and to know so many great people with similar interests. May there be many more such occasions in the future.Times New Roman ArialMatthew PiperTimes New Roman +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------