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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Monday, 27 March 2000

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001 "Nick Sykes" [nsykes22 at optushome.com.au]       Updating SE Sat Pic Animation
002 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au]            Bom hourly satpic
003 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Another article -  9th March wall cloud event
004 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Video Footage of QLD Storms Wanted
005 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Thargomindah......with apologies to the locals.
006 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    9th March Pics - Wall Cloud?????
007 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net]           9th March Pics - Wall Cloud?????
008 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Thunderstorm Animations
009 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au]          #Weather Footy Tips
010 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.  Archives: Using Optus at Home or BigPond-Advance?
011 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Archives: Using Optus at Home or BigPond-Advance?
012 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Bom hourly satpic
013 steve baynham [bayns at broad.net.au]             Bom hourly satpic
014 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]                     MJ Absent
015 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           MJ Absent
016 "Max King" [mnk at Dingoblue.net.au]              MJ Absent
017 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Another article -  9th March wall cloud event
018 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com]            NSW Storms Tomorrow?

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001
From: "Nick Sykes" [nsykes22 at optushome.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Updating SE Sat Pic Animation
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:54:51 +1000
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Hey All

Well last night was the big test to see if all my automation scripts etc
work for my sat pic animation site, and I am please to write that so far
everything is going well.
Every hour (there abouts, sometimes more regular, I will put update times up
in the next e-mail) the next sat pic for the loop is added :)

check it out at

http://members.xoom.com/nsykes/

It uses the NPMOC gms 5 sat pic.

remember to refresh your browser

Nick Sykes

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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:46:58 +1000
From: peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au]
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Hi all,
        does anyone have the new url for the boms hourly satpic from the
ssu? It seems to have changed from what I had bookmarked.
Thanks Peter (Didjman)

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:14:52 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Jimmy,

Very good report!  But a suggestion with the model date - especially the
winds.

ARL has a much nicer and smoother archive dataset then the raw data site
has.  You can choose vectors, wind flags, or you can use speed +
streamlines.  Using streamines + winds makes it a little easier to see
areas of confluence/convergence/difluence/divergence, and the wind
strengths are much smoother than that on raw data.  For example, the
data looks very rough - and while it's most probably just as accurate as
ARL, it certainly looks a lot nicer and more presentable on ARL.  ARL
also keeps a 6-8 month archive of information on the Southern Hemisphere
too!  That includes skew-ts and Theta-E diagrams etc.

Simply goto:

http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready/amet.html

And flick on FNL for data based maps, or your desired category, and then
choose a dataset (sh stands for Southern Hemisphere), and 001 and 002
stand for which half of the month it's available in.  Or, you can goto
the current 15 days.  FNL is simply archived AVN analysis data.


-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:17:04 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Malcolm,

Hmm, thanks for pointing out a hole in my 'safety net.'  Fortunately,
the docoumentary should be after you visit QLD, so I'm safe :-)  But I
might have to add something into me 'safety net' about any of the NE NSW
guys coming up here 

Ben was informing you that you'll be coming to Brisbane?  It'll be great
if a few of the guys (and gals too!) meet up somewhere!

Malcolm Ninnes wrote:
> 
> Excellent, sounds great Anthony!
> 
> However, I'll be coming up to QLD from April 3rd-9th, and you said the death
> penalty would apply to anyone 'sending' the segment over the border...you
> neglected to specify that it would apply if someone came up to collect a
> copy and then returned to NSW with it    :)
> 
> Malcolm Ninnes
> Unix Systems Admin / Operations Support
> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
> Ph. (02) 9722-1862
> ninnesm at franklins.com.au
> 
> > ----------
> > From:         Anthony Cornelius[SMTP:cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
> > Sent:         Thursday, 23 March 2000 10:33
> > To:   Australian Weather Mailing List
> > Subject:      aus-wx: Video Footage of QLD Storms Wanted
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As some of you know, I was interviewed (as a storm chaser) by a Channel
> > 9 crew last week.  This was for a documentary on QLD storms/TC's in the
> > pre 1976 era, the 1976-present era, and the future to come and what we
> > can expect.  They approached James first, who then suggested I should do
> > it.  The entire interview took about 5 and a half hours, by the time
> > they setup my study with lightning, took lots of different shots of me
> > doing different things, and then went to Mt Cootha to shoot some 'action
> > footage.'  They brought in a helicopter and got me looking out into the
> > sky and they taped me looking out into the sky.  It got quite
> > embarrassing actually as people were stopping and pulling off the road
> > to watch :(  The worse part was me having to stand there with my hands
> > up in the sky, looking up as the helicopter flew over - very
> > embarrassing!  But a good cure for SDS is to have a helicopter fly just
> > over you, it gets quite windy :-)
> >
> > Anyway, they're after some video footage of QLD t'storms.  James and I
> > have given them some, but they'd like some more.  If anyone has any
> > video footage, then please contact me and I'll contact Elizabeth, or
> > contact Elizabeth Egan on the following details:
> >
> > Work Details:
> > Office Ph Number: 3214 9999
> > Office Email:  eegan at ninenet.com.au
> >
> > Mobile Number:  0408 457 096 (you can ring this number any time,
> > including
> > weekends)
> > Home email: lizzie at gil.com.au
> >
> > The documentary will be on air soon, the tentative date is Sunday, April
> > 16, 6:30-7:30pm - but that might change.
> >
> > Queenslanders Please Note: The death penalty shall be passed on to
> > ANYONE who is involved in sending a copy of the segment I'm in past the
> > Queensland border!!!!! :-)
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Cornelius
> > Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> > (ASWA)
> > (07) 3390 4812
> > 14 Kinsella St
> > Belmont, Brisbane
> > QLD, 4153
> > Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
> > reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:38:10 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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You poor thing Rhett!  I bet you were a changed man after this.

Perhaps we should construct a list of things to do when the Quidge
(Queensland Ridge), gets uncharecteristically active during storm
season!  (Or sub tropical ridge that pokes its head up too far north
every 10-12 years).  The result of an active Quidge is it pushes the
storms (and storm chasers) inland.  So we should construct a list of
towns and things that you can do for entertainment.

We can start the least exciting towns first:  (Please note, I'm not
trying to offend any country/towns people here!!!  Just some humour from
city vs country)

Roma:

1) Get a group of 8 or 9 and all walk to the pizza place in the main
street at 8:45pm at night, 15 mins before it closes, and watch the girl
at the counter panic as she calls the cook to come back in.

2) Stay at the caravan park, and stay in a caravan and work out the
"un-openable latch."  And then trying and work out how to get back into
the caravan without breaking anything.  It's now 12:30am, and you're not
allowed to wake the owner up.  (This was fun James ).

Charleville:

1) Visit the Warrego Wizzard!

2) Work out which tap has cold water, and which has hot water.  Then
work out why they bother with hot water, as the supposedly cold water is
hotter than the 'hot water'!

3) Stay in motels with mottos of "Why lock the door when there are no
windows anyway?"

Cunnamulla:

1) Play cricket in the 'ready made cricket field' 60km west of the town.

2) Play 'flood water brandy' after 10mm of rain.

3) Wait until the teachers get drunk at local restaurant (near some good
accomodation), and watch table dancing.

Bourke:

1) Goto the bowls club and visit the Chinese Restaurant to see the
'tripod.'

2) Play 'pop that button!'

Of course, the town with the most excitement was Thargomindah!

Thargomindah:

1) Share a few drinks with the locals to get a few people to talk to.

2) Share a few rounds with the locals to get some entertainment out in
the carpark after 12:30am.

3) Share many rounds with the locals to get them to kill each other


4) Walk into the restaurant with a group of about 13 and ask for
dinner.  Watch the daughter run into the backroom, and her mother
running back out telling you to all get out of her restaurant as you
should have given them 4-5hours notice that you were going to eat
there.  (Serious note, the pub has a $6 BBQ which wasn't bad).

5) Play roulette with the showers, and see if you smell worse or better
after you have a shower.

I could go on, but I don't want to sound totally crazy   It's amazing
what we take for granted in the city though.  If you do think I've lost
it - blame it on studying for a maths exam later this evening and trying
to keep my sanity about that!

-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:50:37 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

In regards to non-precipitating convective clouds giving wall clouds,
wouldn't the presence of the cloud over a parcel of air be enough to
cool the air parcel underneath?  This would then lower the LCL.

I'm only speculating here, but an example would be:

A large CJ (Congestus) would form, and the updraft would continue to
retain its intensity.  The updraft then causes an area of lower pressure
under the base (which as Leslie Lemon said is not quite significant
enough to lower the LCL with any significant height).  This will then
assist in allowing more air underneath the CJ to rise.  But if the air
has been cooled a few degrees, then it's going to condense at a lower
temperature.  For example, 30/24 will condense at a lower level than
33/24 would.  Could this have at least a part to play in the assistance
of a wall cloud developing underneath a non-precipitating convective
cloud?  

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(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: 9th March Pics - Wall Cloud?????
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:59:36 +1000
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Hi Anthony,

With regard to the drop in pressure not being enough to lower the LCL,
surely this is entirely dependent upon how close the air is to the dew
point.  If it is very close for a substantial depth beneath the cloud, then
only a small drop in pressure may have a large effect.

Presumably though, a more likely cause is condensation in air, subject to
localised lifting from ground level, which is more saturated than air
otherwise occurring in the layer immediately below the cloud.  (I am
assuming that a wall cloud marks a zone of horizontal convergence beneath
the cloud which will cause lifting of air from the surface, assisted by the
updraft which propagates vertical motion downward).

This explanation is confirmed by the shelf cloud formation, which is caused
by surface air being lifted by storm outflow, which condenses significantly
lower than the cloud base and not infrequently at 50% the distance between
cloud base and ground for summertime Brisbane storms (ha, in those that we
used to have) when ground level humidity is high.

Regards,
John.
>snip

Hi all,

In regards to non-precipitating convective clouds giving wall clouds,
wouldn't the presence of the cloud over a parcel of air be enough to
cool the air parcel underneath?  This would then lower the LCL.

I'm only speculating here, but an example would be:

A large CJ (Congestus) would form, and the updraft would continue to
retain its intensity.  The updraft then causes an area of lower pressure
under the base (which as Leslie Lemon said is not quite significant
enough to lower the LCL with any significant height).  This will then
assist in allowing more air underneath the CJ to rise.  But if the air
has been cooled a few degrees, then it's going to condense at a lower
temperature.  For example, 30/24 will condense at a lower level than
33/24 would.  Could this have at least a part to play in the assistance
of a wall cloud developing underneath a non-precipitating convective
cloud?

--
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:04:50 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Everyone,

A new 'Animations' section has been added to BSCH - this of course
contains animation's or video footage of storms - mostly from SE
Queensland..

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/animations.htm

There are only 3 animation's there at the moment - but more will be
added over the next month or so..



-- 

Ben Quinn

The Brisbane Storm Chasers Homepage (BSCH)
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com
The Australian Weather Pages Webring
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/webring/index.htm
NEMAS (North East Media of Atmospheric Science) Weather Education Pages
http://www.nemas.net/edu/index.htm
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:40:01 +0930
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From: Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au]
Subject: aus-wx: #Weather Footy Tips
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Hey Tipsters,

It is that time again.  To put your tips in for the #Weather Footy Tipping 
comp.

I am very happy no one tipped that draw between the Eagles and the 
Saints.  If you had that would have earnt you 5 points.  As it was newcomer 
to the tipping comp Weatherhead did well getting 12.5 points in his very 
first round.  This takes him 3rd on the overall ladder as since he joined 
late he was given the average score minus 1 point which put him on 17 
before he even got going.  Some people have all the luck.

Speaking of the overall ladder  Gorzzz is now in the number 1 spot on 32.5 
points,  followed by Cosborn on 30.5, and Weatherhead on 29.5   Astrolady, 
Ira, Virga and Werty all have equal last on 20.5  (Virga never did his tips 
last week)

So that is all from me, dont forget to vote all tips must be in by FRIDAY 
31 MARCH  at  6PM EST

Till next week

Kathryn Jolly & Jacob Aufdemkampe
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:53:45 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Archives: Using Optus at Home or BigPond-Advance?
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I've been looking closely at alternative means of running the
ASWA archive including setting up the archive using either
Optus at Home or BigPond-Advance broadband cable internet services.

At first glance, these services seem attractive...large download
bandwidth, offers of "unlimited" MB download etc. Sure, if you
hit a big file, it'll be downloaded more quickly, so these
services are designed to appeal toward the frustrated, but 
somewhat richer personal internet user.

But there's a catch...it lies within what both providers term
the "Acceptable User Policy" that applies under the contract.

Firstly, these policies can be altered without notice while
your contract is in force. That's really nasty because if there
is a vague aspect, then later on, you can expect that vague
aspect to be covered with the result that you might find your-
self in breach of the policy.

As I was looking at running an archive, then my access would
be automated and result in the download of about 50MB/day.
Thats about $9.50 per day ($3467.50 PA) at BigPond Direct
rates (ouch!). But that's where the fun begins because
with these so-called "unlimited" or "flat-rate" download
options, you'll find arbitrary, change at any time "limits"
imposed...

With the Optus at Home policy found at;
http://www.optushome.com.au/aup.html
the words chosen in particular say about this that 
"...Users must ensure that their activity does not improperly 
restrict, inhibit, or degrade any other user's use of the 
Services, nor represent (in the sole judgement of Optus)
an unusually large burden on the network itself..." Now 
that's pretty vague in legal terms. Optus also prohibit 
the operation of "servers" but they only cite some types 
as examples. Given a potential ASWA archive first test case,
I'm sure that an "archive server" will become one of those 
types eventually:-)

With the Telstra-Advance policy found at;
http://www.bigpond.com/advance/announcement/aup.htm
the words are more explicit "...5.7 You must not use
automated programs to continually send or receive high
volumes of data via the service...". Bullseye, that
stuffs the archive up:-( But that "high volumes of data"
term needs to be tested. BigPond also prohibit the operation
of "servers" and also "LANs". There are less "grey areas"
in the Telstra policy than Optus's. Perhaps that's a
direct function of lessons learned through dealings with
the ACCC and media:-)

The content of these policies and the right that the 
providers have in terms of varying the conditions of the 
policy without notice are a major concern to anyone
considering their use. Then there's the whole gammet of 
both vague and sometimes explicit conditions stated which
one can't put any reasonable bounds around like "what is
degradation of any other user's use of the services?" or
"what is a high volume of data?"

Any further reader's comments or experiences?

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:39:24 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Michael and all,

I was actually planning on sending a similar email this evening MS - but
you beat me too it :-)

I too have been scanning through the Optus at Home or BigPuddle-Advance
(apologies to Telstra workers  and other Telstra employees/friends
on this list), and became rather suspect of the little star above the
"unlimitted downloads" and the "acceptable usage policy."  Certainly,
Optus' AUP (Acceptable Usage Policy) is less strict, and isn't quite as
explicit as Telstra's.  I believe Telstra BidPuddle-Advance is available
in my area at the moment (but please correct me if I'm wrong!)  But I
have decided to wait for Optus at Home due to the less restrictions on the
"Acceptable Usage Policy."  No doubt they'll crack down on heavy
downloaders, in fact - I wouldn't be surprised to see restrictions put
on downloads in the near future.  If anyone is thinking of archiving,
I'd certainly advise people to pay the higher upfront installation fee,
rather than be forced into a 12-18 month contract.  My experience of 12
month contracts with ISP's has not been pleasant.  They've already got
your money for now, and that's what they care about.  Since then, I've
only ever paid my ISP account monthly (even though it costs more, you've
always got the opportunity to change).

My ISP Flatrate tried to crack down on heavy downloaders (like myself),
who downloaded in excess of what they believed was reasonable for a home
user.  Yet, I'm supposedly on an "unlimitted hours, and unlimitted
downloads" connection plan.  I was averaging about 400-450 hours (I
wasn't actually always at the computer though!), but their main gripe
was my ~800mb/month download usage.  I phoned and complained, and had a
guy try to tell me that "It's unlimitted to the extent of a reasonable
limit" of which I replied "So there's a limit on my connection, so it's
not really unlimiitted then?"  To which he replied "No, it's unlimitted,
but to a reasonable amount, your download usage is not what we'd
consider a normal user to use."  To which I replied (defencively), "So
my connection is not unlimitted, and you consider me abnormal?"  Which
got him rather tongue twisted :-)  He tried to convince me to move to a
business plan, of which I refused.  A few days later, they added a
$80/month business plan that had no cutoffs.  The no cutoffs lit up my
eyes, and I thought I'd go on it - only to be refused to allowed to go
on it, as 1 week later they were going to remove it.  Again in January,
they were planning to trial the $80/plan no cutoff plan, and then got
denied to switch to it because quote "I don't believe you need to switch
to that connection plan sir."  Which got me rather confused :-)

Recently - I've been experimenting with a download utiliy Nick has been
using, and I have been able to keep a fairly good archive of sat pics,
and eastern Australia radars for the past 9 days.  I've even (sort of),
gotten around my 15min disconnect wait time at the end of 4hrs when I et
cutoff (by scheduling myself to be cutoff at 3hrs and 55mins, and having
it reconnect immediately).  This month, I have used 425 hours (although
one day, apparently I used 24.78 hours :-) and I have downloaded
1.26gig.  This will be the third month in a row I've downloaded in
excess of 1gig.  I'll actually probably end up downloading around
1.4-1.5gig this month given the extra data (~50-60mb a day), I use in my
archives.  Next month, this will possibly approach 2gig!  I'm going to
be interested to see what my ISP says about this, even after offering to
go on a higher-connection plan and being rejected to do so.

Certainly, I'd be extremely warey of the so called "unlimitted
downloads" on a 12-18 month contract on Optus at Home and
BigPuddle-Advance, as I would not be surprised to see these capped
unfortunately :-(

Michael Scollay wrote:
> 

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From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Yes, Peter, I've had the same problem. The new url would be appreciated.

Lindsay P.

peter matters wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>         does anyone have the new url for the boms hourly satpic from the
> ssu? It seems to have changed from what I had bookmarked.
> Thanks Peter (Didjman)
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hi guys,
i don't know where its gone, but it is still available, as these guys still manage 
http://www.myweather.com.au/img/sat-img/ausloop.gif

but i still tried looking for it, but no luck!
steve

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Mark Dwyer (MJ) phoned me to say that he will be in hospital for the next
few days or so because he has  pneumonia.

So if you've been trying to contact him and havent had a response yet, that
is the reason.

Jacob
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Jacob,

I hope he gets better soon. My brother had that last year and I can tell 
you it is not pleasant. Send my "get better" wishes and those from ASWA.

Jimmy Deguara

At 14:08 27/03/00 +0800, you wrote:

>Mark Dwyer (MJ) phoned me to say that he will be in hospital for the next
>few days or so because he has  pneumonia.
>
>So if you've been trying to contact him and havent had a response yet, that
>is the reason.
>
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From: "Max King" [mnk at Dingoblue.net.au]
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HI Jacob,

If ya see Mark give him all my regards and and best wishes and tell him I
hope he feels better really soon.

Max


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> Jacob,
>
> I hope he gets better soon. My brother had that last year and I can tell
> you it is not pleasant. Send my "get better" wishes and those from ASWA.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 14:08 27/03/00 +0800, you wrote:
>
> >Mark Dwyer (MJ) phoned me to say that he will be in hospital for the next
> >few days or so because he has  pneumonia.
> >
> >So if you've been trying to contact him and havent had a response yet,
that
> >is the reason.
> >
> >Jacob
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Thanks for the advice. I have made changes and additions. Actually now you 
can make some important observations in the report based on the model data, 
particularly with the upper level jet information.

www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0003-01.htm

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:14 27/03/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Jimmy,
>
>Very good report!  But a suggestion with the model date - especially the
>winds.
>
>ARL has a much nicer and smoother archive dataset then the raw data site
>has.  You can choose vectors, wind flags, or you can use speed +
>streamlines.  Using streamines + winds makes it a little easier to see
>areas of confluence/convergence/difluence/divergence, and the wind
>strengths are much smoother than that on raw data.  For example, the
>data looks very rough - and while it's most probably just as accurate as
>ARL, it certainly looks a lot nicer and more presentable on ARL.  ARL
>also keeps a 6-8 month archive of information on the Southern Hemisphere
>too!  That includes skew-ts and Theta-E diagrams etc.
>
>Simply goto:
>
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready/amet.html
>
>And flick on FNL for data based maps, or your desired category, and then
>choose a dataset (sh stands for Southern Hemisphere), and 001 and 002
>stand for which half of the month it's available in.  Or, you can goto
>the current 15 days.  FNL is simply archived AVN analysis data.
>
>
>--
>Anthony Cornelius
>Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>(ASWA)
>(07) 3390 4812
>14 Kinsella St
>Belmont, Brisbane
>QLD, 4153
>Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
>reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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Hi everyone,
	The latest NGP has a very dynamic upper level trough approaching the SE of 
NSW tomorrow evening, resulting in a 130 kt jetstream at the 300mb height.  
Presently, very dry air sits over most of the SE but moist air is beginning 
to intrude at the mid=levels from the NW of the continent resulting in a 
rainband to the S.  Only a thin tongue of low level moisture about 1500m 
deep sits over E NSW from the onshore flow with the very dry air 
immdetiately above.  Although it looks like it may be  a little on the dry 
side for storms, I think this one is worth watching out for and keeping a 
camera on the ready.
- Paul G.
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