Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:12:51 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham 
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Subject: aussie-weather: Sydney Tornado, 1961 or '62...
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Hi everyone,
	This morning the breakfast radio announcer on Sydney radio's 2BL
wanted to know if and what year, sometime after WW2, a waterspout brought
down an aircraft leaving Sydney's Mascot airport.  I thought he may have
been referring to the rumoured event in '61 or '62 (I put the date as: 
30th of November, 1961 - but I thought it was in 1962...???) in which a
plane en route to Canberra was brought down shortly after taking off,
killing all 15 people on board.  A while ago I did my own research into
this event by looking back through past SMH's but couldn't find any
reference to a tornado - it was a complete mystery as to what happened. 
But I have heard from many people that it was found to have been a
tornado...Do we have official confirmation of this?  Meanwhile, I sent
some mail to radio 2BL mentioning this incident as possibly what the
morning presenter, Philip Clarke, was wanting to know... 
	Cheers,
		Paul.

----------------------------
Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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Howdy all!! Top of the Mornin to ya!

I was talking the other day to some "old timers" here in Taree (I think its
great because they have a wealth of info.....). We got around to the topic
of weather and they were saying that Taree was due for a big flood because
the fish were found higher in the river then normal. I then inquired with
regards to storm weather, and severe storms that they could remember.

They were talking about the most severe storms received here would often be
out of the SE! It then made me remember when I used to live in Oak Flats
nera Wollongong, and I knew an older guy at Shellharbour. He would often
warn me that the worst storms would come out of the NE for Wollongong off
the sea. He called them Black mists or something like that (for Michael
Thompsons benefit he Lives in Wollongong street and his name is Stan
Richards...). I then asked my Geography teacher at the time who lived
across the road from Stan (his name was Alan Hardy,  and was my 3 unit Geog
teacher.) He agreed.

What I was wondering, was whether anyone else has heard of these folklore
(more particlualary Australian) and if it has been proven true? I know that
in Tarees case, we did have a storm 4 years ago that came out of the SE and
dumped hail up to 20cm deep.....

Im going to compile some of these for my webpage.

Paul from Taree.

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Howdy all! Been very quiet here today! Where is everyone?

Taree is warm, 4/8, Cumulus (some moderate congestus), wind now swung
around to Se - NE. Where is everybody!!!

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Small Cell now developing, nice anvil, quiet dark and green tinge to it.
Keep you all updated.

By the way last nights meeting was another great one!! If you dont attend
you should be!!

paul.

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The event did occur on 30/11/1961 according to the Severe Thunderstorm
database. All it says is that an aircarft crashed with 15 dead. Time of
occurrence is 08:30 UTC which would be 7.30pm local.

regards, Michael


At 08:12 AM 29/10/1998 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>	This morning the breakfast radio announcer on Sydney radio's 2BL
>wanted to know if and what year, sometime after WW2, a waterspout brought
>down an aircraft leaving Sydney's Mascot airport.  I thought he may have
>been referring to the rumoured event in '61 or '62 (I put the date as: 
>30th of November, 1961 - but I thought it was in 1962...???) in which a
>plane en route to Canberra was brought down shortly after taking off,
>killing all 15 people on board.  A while ago I did my own research into
>this event by looking back through past SMH's but couldn't find any
>reference to a tornado - it was a complete mystery as to what happened. 
>But I have heard from many people that it was found to have been a
>tornado...Do we have official confirmation of this?  Meanwhile, I sent
>some mail to radio 2BL mentioning this incident as possibly what the
>morning presenter, Philip Clarke, was wanting to know... 
>	Cheers,
>		Paul.
>
>----------------------------
>Paul Graham
>m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
>----------------------------

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*** This bounced on the mailing list because it was too large. I removed
the graphic and decoded it. You can view it at:

	http://world.std.com/~dhart/wychestorm91.jpg

-David Hart-


--
Sorry to do this to everyone,

but can ANYONE open the photo attached to this email?
I've sent it to Michael Bath about five times in varying formats but 
he's had no joy opening it. It's in compressed JPEG format.

Kevin Phyland.

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From: Michael Bath 
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A 'black nor-easter' is a term used to describe heavy rainfall events that
originate from the NE. It usually indicates a low pressure over inland
northern NSW, or a blocking high and coastal trough forcing plenty of
moisture onto the coast. Convergance gives rise to thunderstorms imbedded
in the flow as Coffs Harbour and Wollongong illustrate. I have not heard
the term used to describe thunderstorms though a lot of people call heavy
rain and flood events 'storms', which confuses the issue.

Hail is always a possibility with these thunderstorms, especially if an
upper cold pool exists in the same region as convergence, but generally
they are flash flood events. A tornado occurred at Toongabbie in western
Sydney on 6/8/86 in an area of covergence as an east coast low intensified.

regards, Michael


At 09:32 AM 29/10/1998 +1000, you wrote:
>
>
>Howdy all!! Top of the Mornin to ya!
>
>I was talking the other day to some "old timers" here in Taree (I think its
>great because they have a wealth of info.....). We got around to the topic
>of weather and they were saying that Taree was due for a big flood because
>the fish were found higher in the river then normal. I then inquired with
>regards to storm weather, and severe storms that they could remember.
>
>They were talking about the most severe storms received here would often be
>out of the SE! It then made me remember when I used to live in Oak Flats
>nera Wollongong, and I knew an older guy at Shellharbour. He would often
>warn me that the worst storms would come out of the NE for Wollongong off
>the sea. He called them Black mists or something like that (for Michael
>Thompsons benefit he Lives in Wollongong street and his name is Stan
>Richards...). I then asked my Geography teacher at the time who lived
>across the road from Stan (his name was Alan Hardy,  and was my 3 unit Geog
>teacher.) He agreed.
>
>What I was wondering, was whether anyone else has heard of these folklore
>(more particlualary Australian) and if it has been proven true? I know that
>in Tarees case, we did have a storm 4 years ago that came out of the SE and
>dumped hail up to 20cm deep.....
>
>Im going to compile some of these for my webpage.
>
>Paul from Taree.
>
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From: "dpn" 
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Subject: aussie-weather: Bonshaw storm 1969
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:21:02 +1100
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Hi. Read an article in the April 1989 ( Volume 2, Number 3) Newsletter of
the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, titled A Severe
Thunderstorm at Bonshaw by Philip A Riley NSW Regional Office  BOM, some
time ago. The Introduction read. " In the late afternoon of Tuesday , 11
November 1969, the town of Bonshaw on the NSW-Qld border experienced a
severe thunderstorm which brought 150mm of hail in 20 minutes and 174mm of
rain in 40 minutes. A few kilometres SW of Bonshaw, the hailstorm was
reported to have lasted 45 minutes. The hail was washed into drifts up to
Three metres deep. These took a full two weeks to melt completely. The
hail, rain and stong winds combined to produce damage that would have to be
seen to be beleived." The report is 7 pages long and quite detailed, it
concludes. "The thunderstorm that hit Bonshaw on 11 November 1969 set a NSW
record for rainfall intensity for 40 minutes duration, and may have set
another record for hailfall duration. If hailfall is included the total
precipitation is an Australian record for its duration."  I was wondering
if anyone else had heard any additinal reports about this storm or had seen
any photographs. it seems that there must be some photographic evidence of
the hail drifts if they lasted for two weeks. Dane Newman   

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:00:37 +1100
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Sydney Tornado, 1961 or '62...
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I don't think they had DLS in 1962?
----------
>From: Michael Bath 
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: aussie-weather: Sydney Tornado, 1961 or '62...
>Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:52
>

>The event did occur on 30/11/1961 according to the Severe Thunderstorm
>database. All it says is that an aircarft crashed with 15 dead. Time of
>occurrence is 08:30 UTC which would be 7.30pm local.
>
>regards, Michael

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Hello all, 

Following the minus 2 temperature recorded on Wednesday morning, there 
are reports that the Canberra region's emerging wine industry has lost 
between 80 and 95% of this season's crop. After the horses have long 
since left the stable, the growers are shortly to meet to consider ways 
of minimising late season frost damage.

The stormchasers might like to read Don White's column in today's issue 
of the land.... He flags for the coming season an increased risk of 
cyclones, floods and over the next 6 weeks thunderstorms with hail 
particularly on the ranges and western slopes.

A calm, quiet day in Canberra with temp of 16 and DP of 01.

Patrick 

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Gday Dane:

I havnt seen seen anything, but would love to read that article! Thats a
mean t'storm!! Wowsers!!

paul.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:23:16 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham 
To: mbath at ozemail.com.au
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I've passed on the info.  Here is the message:

Dear Mr Clarke,
Further to my previous message about tornadoes in Australia, I believe I
may know the answer to the question you were asking this morning.  The
question was about a plane leaving Sydney Airport brought down by a
waterspout.  I believe this may have occured on 30th of November, 1961 on
a plane bound for Canberra tragically killing 15 people.  Although I am
not certain of specific details, I remember reading a report about this
incident in which initially a cause for the missing plane could not be
found.  I have read later reports that a waterspout was thought to be
responsible for its crash - I believe though that this may have been a
summer severe thunderstorm type waterspout unlike the ones we had the
other day.  I think Steve Symmonds from the Bureau of Meteorology may know
more about this particular event.
Yours Faithfully,
Paul Graham.


- maybe tomorrow morning he'll mention something...you know how it is with
the media; politics comes before anything interesting.  Note that I also
sent a previous mail about tornadoes since he interviewed Phil King from
the Bureau about the waterspouts and their potential danger but nothing
was mentioned about summer severe storm tornadoes...

----------------------------
Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Michael Bath wrote:

> The event did occur on 30/11/1961 according to the Severe Thunderstorm
> database. All it says is that an aircarft crashed with 15 dead. Time of
> occurrence is 08:30 UTC which would be 7.30pm local.
> 
> regards, Michael
> 
> 
> At 08:12 AM 29/10/1998 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hi everyone,
> >	This morning the breakfast radio announcer on Sydney radio's 2BL
> >wanted to know if and what year, sometime after WW2, a waterspout brought
> >down an aircraft leaving Sydney's Mascot airport.  I thought he may have
> >been referring to the rumoured event in '61 or '62 (I put the date as: 
> >30th of November, 1961 - but I thought it was in 1962...???) in which a
> >plane en route to Canberra was brought down shortly after taking off,
> >killing all 15 people on board.  A while ago I did my own research into
> >this event by looking back through past SMH's but couldn't find any
> >reference to a tornado - it was a complete mystery as to what happened. 
> >But I have heard from many people that it was found to have been a
> >tornado...Do we have official confirmation of this?  Meanwhile, I sent
> >some mail to radio 2BL mentioning this incident as possibly what the
> >morning presenter, Philip Clarke, was wanting to know... 
> >	Cheers,
> >		Paul.

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At work were I have no access !!! Well actually I do but there is a
crackdown on non-work related E Mail at present.

Michael


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>
>
>Howdy all! Been very quiet here today! Where is everyone?
>
>Taree is warm, 4/8, Cumulus (some moderate congestus), wind now swung
>around to Se - NE. Where is everybody!!!

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I am 41 and have lived in Wollongong all my life and can't say I agree.
There are a number of issues that could make one think of the worst storms
coming from the NE. For example a healthy supercell to the south would be
sucking IN lots of warm moist air from the NE, this would be condensing into
low cloud and given the impression that the cloud ( IE Storm ) was moving
from the NE.

In East coast low situations the NE  can definitely be a critical direction.
The US navy ship that grounded on Bass Point in May 194..something was
during E/NE gale associated with a classic east coast low, these are
sometimes thundery, but rarely come with hail.

The Black Mists is a term I have never heard of , I think its a corruption
of Black Nor easter which used to a common term for a "NE wind that brought
storms instead of a sunny day", but again the actual storms would have moved
from west to east.

Interesting reading .  thanks Paul

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Date: Thursday, 29 October 1998 9:33
Subject: aussie-weather: Aussie weather Folklore


>
>
>Howdy all!! Top of the Mornin to ya!
>
>I was talking the other day to some "old timers" here in Taree (I think its
>great because they have a wealth of info.....). We got around to the topic
>of weather and they were saying that Taree was due for a big flood because
>the fish were found higher in the river then normal. I then inquired with
>regards to storm weather, and severe storms that they could remember.
>
>They were talking about the most severe storms received here would often be
>out of the SE! It then made me remember when I used to live in Oak Flats
>nera Wollongong, and I knew an older guy at Shellharbour. He would often
>warn me that the worst storms would come out of the NE for Wollongong off
>the sea. He called them Black mists or something like that (for Michael
>Thompsons benefit he Lives in Wollongong street and his name is Stan
>Richards...). I then asked my Geography teacher at the time who lived
>across the road from Stan (his name was Alan Hardy,  and was my 3 unit Geog
>teacher.) He agreed.
>
>What I was wondering, was whether anyone else has heard of these folklore
>(more particlualary Australian) and if it has been proven true? I know that
>in Tarees case, we did have a storm 4 years ago that came out of the SE and
>dumped hail up to 20cm deep.....
>
>Im going to compile some of these for my webpage.
>
>Paul from Taree.

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From: "James Chambers" 
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:37:53 +1000
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Hi all

It's a few days after the event, but late Monday many areas in the NW,
central west and Tropical Inland recorded severe storms.  Those towns
include Longreach, Julia Creek and Hughenden.

At this stage I only have info on the Julia Creek storm.  Apparently 15
houses in the small town were unroofed or badly damaged including one that
was completely destroyed.  The local pub was unroofed and a racehorse killed
by flying debris.  An unconfirmed report of a tipped-over road train - but
I'll get back to you on that one.  I'll email the guys at the bureau to see
if they know anything about the storms.  They should!  These areas are a
long way north for such severe storms, but then Tennant Creek got that
193km/h gust in the 1960's - and they're a long way north too.

James from Brissie
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From: "James Chambers" 
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:54:33 +1000
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Hi all

Just take a look at the sat pic of NT!  Storm clusters everywhere - quite
strong too.
ftp://ftp.ece.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif

But, a rainband south of the storms to come here on Saturday :(
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
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That must have been on the day with the nice band of massive storms in sw
QLD. Sunday that is.

I had wished I was int he area from the morning as that lifted index was
around -9 to -12 for a few days which indicates the possibility of tornadoes
under the correct conditions of course.

Jimmy Deguara

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Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 5:52 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: NW QLD storms


>Hi all
>
>It's a few days after the event, but late Monday many areas in the NW,
>central west and Tropical Inland recorded severe storms.  Those towns
>include Longreach, Julia Creek and Hughenden.
>
>At this stage I only have info on the Julia Creek storm.  Apparently 15
>houses in the small town were unroofed or badly damaged including one that
>was completely destroyed.  The local pub was unroofed and a racehorse
killed
>by flying debris.  An unconfirmed report of a tipped-over road train - but
>I'll get back to you on that one.  I'll email the guys at the bureau to see
>if they know anything about the storms.  They should!  These areas are a
>long way north for such severe storms, but then Tennant Creek got that
>193km/h gust in the 1960's - and they're a long way north too.
>
>James from Brissie

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From: Blair Trewin 
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: nt storms
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> 
> Hi all
> 
> Just take a look at the sat pic of NT!  Storm clusters everywhere - quite
> strong too.
> ftp://ftp.ece.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif
> 
Quite a lot of radar activity in the Alice Springs area, and widely
scattered cells all over the Top End.

Several NT stations reporting thunder on the 1500 bulletin (1630 EDT),
but no totals over 15mm (yet).

Blair Trewin

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From: "Bodie" 
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:10:42 -0800
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I was wondering if there is any link between Tides and the weather??

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NOGAPS has things progressing a little quicker then BOM forecasts with what
looks like the chance of storms around Sydney late tomorrow, they also the
southerly through early on Saturday morning ( pet hate of mine ).

MRF at COLA on other hand is playing very dull with just some isolated
action late Saturday perhaps.


Michael Thompson
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At 04:54 PM 29-10-98 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Just take a look at the sat pic of NT!  Storm clusters everywhere - quite
>strong too.
>ftp://ftp.ece.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif
>
>But, a rainband south of the storms to come here on Saturday :(
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
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>jamestorm at ozemail.com.au
>The Brisbane and SE Qld Storm Site
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
>

some nice looking clouds on the live Darwin cam

http://www.qantmnt.au-net.com/webcam/index.html

Jacob

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Wrote this before looking at the 4.30pm BOM update, it is now more like
NOGAPS. Hope that the late rain is thundery.

Michael

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From: Michael Thompson 
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
Date: Thursday, 29 October 1998 18:15
Subject: aussie-weather: Friday - Saturday storms


>NOGAPS has things progressing a little quicker then BOM forecasts with what
>looks like the chance of storms around Sydney late tomorrow, they also the
>southerly through early on Saturday morning ( pet hate of mine ).
>
>MRF at COLA on other hand is playing very dull with just some isolated
>action late Saturday perhaps.
>
>
>Michael Thompson
>http://thunder.simplenet.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:55:25 +1100
From: Anthony Cornelius 
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Subject: aussie-weather: Brisbane Experiencing Late Winter Wx
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Hi all,

Last night was quite cold for Brisbane, 14C - 9C in the west. 
Fortunately some low, thick cirrocumulus kept the temperatures from
falling any further.  Today again was quite cool with a max of 23C, late
August weather!  Tonight will be another rather cold night, with 15C
expected.

At the moment, the rain band coming through looks rather unlikely for
t'storms.  Toowoomba is going for some possible late rain tomorrow, but
Brisbane is not expected to receive any until Saturday morning.  The
moisture levels in the mid levels are too high as well for t'storms. 
Certainly, anything is possible - but I'm doubting this upper level
trough's capabilities.  

However - the +120 and +144hr MRF and the +144hr NGP are hinting at a
nice combined surface and upper level trough forming over WA.  I know
it's risky basing this on a +120/144hr model, but t'storms might be
likely for SE QLD mid next week.  However NGP has a lot more moisture in
the mid levels then MRF :-(  Channel 10's extended 7 day forecast (which
is the "official" one, so does that mean if it's from the BoM?  Anyone
know??) is forecasting Wednesday as a t'storm.  Which coincidently is
the 25yr anniversary to the 1973 Brisbane tornado, the most expensive
tornado in Australia's history (which also partly destroyed my mum's
house at the time...)

Anthony from Brisbane

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:57:06 +1000
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From: steve baynham 
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hey guys,
a huge storm unfortunately went around where i live! very dark clouds at
about 5:30! just south of where i am. i thought we were gunna cop it, no
lightning, didn't hear any thunder, just looked like plenty of heavy rain!!
its still overcast!
bye from gold coast