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From: disarm at braenet.com.au X-Sender: disarm at braenet.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:54:29 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aussie-weather: lightning detection Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com are there any sites on the net that show lightning activity over NSW ? if so can you please point me in the right direction! (im looking for something like the SE queensland site,,) thanks in advance Matt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:33:21 +1100 From: Michael ScollayOrganization: Telstra Strategy & Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Unreliable Mail Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Michael Thompson wrote: > > I will be placing the date on future posts as a few have taken over 48 hours > to get thru. The problem I am sure is with OzeMails mail server, there is a > separate prob where people are receiving up to 100 copies of certain junk > mails. I did hear the word " mail bomb " used. I think their server is > overloaded. > Take a look at the following mail header analysis... --- included text--- Sending Site Receiving Site Date Delay Origin Origin Fri Nov 6 22:56:58 1998 0 michaelt oznet14.ozemail.com.au Fri Nov 6 22:52:55 1998 -243 oznet14.ozemail.com.au world.std.com Fri Nov 6 23:00:03 1998 428 world.std.com europe.std.com Mon Nov 9 07:45:23 1998 204320 europe.std.com(199.172. mail.telstra.com.au, Mon Nov 9 07:52:40 1998 437 uucp at localhost) mail.telstra.com.au Mon Nov 9 07:53:01 1998 21 mail.telstra.com.au(192 mail-gw.fwall.telstra.c Mon Nov 9 07:53:03 1998 2 uucp at localhost) mail-gw.fwall.telstra.c Mon Nov 9 16:18:20 1998 30317 mail-gw.fwall.telstra.c cdn-mail.dn.itg.telecom Mon Nov 9 16:18:26 1998 6 cdn-mail.telecom.com.au bunyip.tansu.com.au Mon Nov 9 16:18:29 1998 3 bunyip.tansu.com.au humpback.ind.tansu.com. Mon Nov 9 16:18:31 1998 2 humpback.ind.tansu.com. bunyip.tansu.com.au Mon Nov 9 16:18:34 1998 3 bunyip.tansu.com.au cdn-mail.dn.itg.telecom Mon Nov 9 16:18:36 1998 2 cdn-mail.dn.itg.telecom amalfi Mon Nov 9 16:17:01 1998 -95 amalfi.trl.oz.au quasar.sydney.trl.telst Mon Nov 9 16:18:40 1998 99 --- end text --- This analysis, along with several others from non-ozemail sources, indicates that for some unannounced reason (probably a mail-bomb spam as Mike indicates), mail got clagged up in Australia. Notice the very long delay at "world.std.com" followed by another long delay within Telstra (internal network - intranet). It's simply a case of mail-non-delivery filling up mail queues until the backlog got cleared. The way mail works is that a non-delivery causes the mailer to back-off. This means that when the non-delivery problem dissappears, recent mail will get straight through but the backlog is delivered later or dumped in the mail trash can. No doubt, mail sys-admins will be adding further anti-spamming measures in the light of this latest mail clag problem. MikeT's idea to date stamp your messages is reasonable, but this info can also be obtained from the mail headers. Any mail reader should be able to expose the header details, albeit in various timezone forms. I have access to a nice litte perl script from a generous colleage that was used to process the mail header and produce the analysis report above. It also reveals those servers and hosts whose clock is unsynchronised by virtue of negative delay reports. Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:35:58 -0500 From: David Hart To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Unreliable Mail Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Michael Scollay wrote: > Michael Thompson wrote: > > > > I will be placing the date on future posts as a few have taken over 48 hours > > to get thru. The problem I am sure is with OzeMails mail server, there is a > > separate prob where people are receiving up to 100 copies of certain junk > > mails. I did hear the word " mail bomb " used. I think their server is > > overloaded. > > > Take a look at the following mail header analysis... > [Header info deleted] > > This analysis, along with several others from non-ozemail sources, > indicates that for some unannounced reason (probably a mail-bomb spam > as Mike indicates), mail got clagged up in Australia. Notice the very > long delay at "world.std.com" followed by another long delay within > Telstra (internal network - intranet). It's simply a case of > mail-non-delivery filling up mail queues until the backlog got > cleared. The way mail works is that a non-delivery causes the mailer > to back-off. This means that when the non-delivery problem > dissappears, recent mail will get straight through but the backlog is > delivered later or dumped in the mail trash can. > > No doubt, mail sys-admins will be adding further anti-spamming > measures in the light of this latest mail clag problem. > > MikeT's idea to date stamp your messages is reasonable, but this info > can also be obtained from the mail headers. Any mail reader should be > able to expose the header details, albeit in various timezone forms. I > have access to a nice litte perl script from a generous colleage that > was used to process the mail header and produce the analysis report > above. It also reveals those servers and hosts whose clock is > unsynchronised by virtue of negative delay reports. > I believe that I was getting notices of that mail bouncing. A mailing list owner recieves those routinely. The problem is that 90% of the time e-mail arrives almost immidietly after it's sent, and we have an expectaion of e-mail propogating instantly. The fact is that there are several steps along the way, that can delay the mail. One the other hand, the nice thing about e-mail is that if there is a problem on the receiving side (say the mail server is down) most mail systems (like the one at "World") will try to keep sending the mail for up to 3 days. If you need to communicate in near real-time, IRC (Inter Relay Chat) is a better way to go. OTOH (On The Other Hand) IRC can be quite unreliable too and you may note even be able to get on an IRC server, so if it absolutly has to go through, e-mail with it ability to keep re-sending is the way to go. -David Hart- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Originating-Ip: [203.13.168.7] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aussie-weather: Cut-off low? Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:43:11 PST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Just checked the latest NPMOC IR shot. It looks like a cut-off low is forming east of Eucla. It has some nice cells forming in the SE quadrant. Is this likely to track in my direction (NW Victoria) and if so, do people agree with the NOAA progs of 40 - 50 mm. of rain? That's a heap for this neck of the woods! (Wycheproof). Are there likely to be any storms and if so, would any of them have hail? I ask this purely because I know a number of wheat cockies who'd welcome a hail write-off with open arms! Yours, Kevin Phyland. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aussie-weather: Melbourne Forecast. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:32:26 +1100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Sounds like people up north have been having some storms (even if not too severe they are still storms). They have forcast for melbourne for rain and possible isolated thunderstorms for wednesday night, rain on thursday and storms on friday. Not a bad outlook for melbourne. Happy hunting to you all. Andrew McDonald. P.S. Sent on 10/11 at 6:35pm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Originating-Ip: [203.13.168.7] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aussie-weather: Weather cams Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:10:11 PST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Does anyone know if there's a list of Aussie weather cams? By the way, they mustn't update the QANTM storm cam in Darwin unless something's happening. I've been getting the same shot for two days! Yours, Kevin Phyland. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Originating-Ip: [203.13.168.7] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:14:04 PST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Why is it that the most useful short lead-time tool of the Bureau's is not available on the net!!! Where can we get radar info in Oz? Yours, demonstrably peed off, Kevin Phyland. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: aussie-weather: storms for coming weekend Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 19:43:16 +1000 X-Sender: mildad at mail.one.net.au X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: mildad To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Did Sunday amount to anything ? It was low cloud and drizzle here all day. >May be interesting this Thursday - Saturday ! > >Michael Seems like some real November weather (i.e. storms and more storms) is kicking in for NSW after last Saturdays spectacular storms in Sydney and NSW/ACT in general. I am a mug forecaster but I have just come back from a visit to COLA and GASP and, although its early days, I agree with Michael T that things look interesting for later this week/weekend Friday. The tot-tots and available moisture all look good for NSW inc. Sydney area on friday with a trough deepening and a low forming on this over NW NSW. Should keep all the storm chasers busy over the weekend I hope. Cheers, David C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 19:46:48 +1000 X-Sender: mildad at mail.one.net.au X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: mildad To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Why is it that the most useful short lead-time tool of the Bureau's is >not available on the net!!! >Where can we get radar info in Oz? It is - but you have to pay for it (they had a free usage period through september but there were no storms - it would be much better now). I agree it should be freely available to people. David C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bodie" To: Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:43:28 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Why is it that the most useful short lead-time tool of the Bureau's is >not available on the net!!! >Where can we get radar info in Oz? > >Yours, demonstrably peed off, >Kevin Phyland. > Radar is available from the Bureau Of Meteoroligy's Website (www.bom.gov.au) from around $55 a month. It is the only radar access i know of in Australia. It is annoying, considering there are SEVERAL radar sites in the states, and many lightning detection pages as well. l8tr Bodie from Brisbane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Tichborne" To: Subject: aussie-weather: Hello from NZ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:59:27 +1300 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Little interesting weather in NZ lately - just some weak troughs and ridges. However, many people in certain central and western areas don't want any more 'interesting ' weather, after last month's rainstorms. NZ normally has more low-level snow events than Australia, but not this year it seems. We haven't had any snow in Christchuch this year (though it did snow lightly to sea-level in nearby Akaroa on 2 August). We'll probably have to wait until next winter - November snow in Christchuch happens about once every 50 years, the last time being in November 1976. However, wintry outbreaks in southeast Australia seem to be continuing - no doubt there will be even more to come. I was also wondering how often, and how late in the season has snow fallen in southeast Queeensland?. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Sender: jacob at iinet.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:45:39 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: aussie-weather: Hot weather in Perth Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Quite warm in Perth today, the maximum in the city was 33.8C at 12:45pm WST and its expected to be even hotter tomorrow. FORECAST FOR METROPOLITAN AREA Issued at 1635 hours on Tuesday , 10/11/98 ISSUED BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY PERTH FOR TONIGHT AND TOMORROW. The temperature at 4:15PM was 31.5 degrees Celsius. PERTH AND METROPOLITAN: Fine and hot. Moderate to fresh NE winds and a mid-afternoon seabreeze. TEMPS: MIN: 17. MAX: 36. TODAY'S FIRE DANGER: Coastal Plain: HIGH. Hills/Foothills: HIGH. UV INDEX: 11 (Extreme). Jacob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Sender: jacob at iinet.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:51:08 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 07:46 PM 10-11-98 +1000, you wrote: >>Why is it that the most useful short lead-time tool of the Bureau's is >>not available on the net!!! >>Where can we get radar info in Oz? > >It is - but you have to pay for it (they had a free usage period through >september but there were no storms - it would be much better now). I >agree it should be freely available to people. > >David C The free usage period worked out perfect for Perth between April and September, as our severe storm season is during the winter months here in the south-west with strong cold fronts, was fun tracking them as they came in. I agree that they should be freely available too. Jacob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bodie" To: Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Weather cams Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:53:27 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi every1, > >Does anyone know if there's a list of Aussie weather cams? >By the way, they mustn't update the QANTM storm cam in Darwin unless >something's happening. I've been getting the same shot for two days! > >Yours, >Kevin Phyland. > There is a list of Australian webcams at http://www.camcentral.com/. I did have a url to a list of weathercams all over the world, but i cant find it ;). When i find it i will post it. BTW I have no problem with the Darwin storm cam, you just have to reload it manualy using your refresh or reload button on your browser. Have seen some spectacular skies in the last few weeks. l8tr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paulmoss" To: Subject: aussie-weather: Webcams Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:38:59 +1100 X-Msmail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy all...once again. What was the address of that Darwin webcam again?? Also: Michael Thompson: The NT trip is going extremely well, with 4 people now going. We leave on the 4.12.1998 for 9 fab days in the NT!! Anyone wishing to go, better hurry as the cheap airfares & accommodation deal expires this Friday. All are still welcome!! Paul. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bodie" To: Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Webcams Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:47:02 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Howdy all...once again. What was the address of that Darwin webcam again?? > >Also: > >Michael Thompson: The NT trip is going extremely well, with 4 people now >going. We leave on the 4.12.1998 for 9 fab days in the NT!! > >Anyone wishing to go, better hurry as the cheap airfares & accommodation >deal expires this Friday. All are still welcome!! > >Paul. http://www.qantmnt.au-net.com/webcam/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paulmoss" To: Subject: aussie-weather: Storm Chasers Australia!!! Proposal to become an Incorporated Assoc. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:26:10 +1100 X-Msmail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everybody. For some time now, the idea of a Society built soley around Storms, Severe Weather & Storm Chasing has been floated on both this mailing list and the IRC chat Group. Well, lets do something about it!!. Under NSW Law, all we need to do, is have a name registered, hold a meeting of no less then 5 people, and move a constitution (which we can adapt from the NSW Dept fair Trading Model Rules for Constitutions). People such as Michael Bath, Jimmy Deguara, Michael Thompson, Laurier Williams have wealths of information for all of us to learn. BUT they will fade away in the future. We need to "keep the dream alive" and promote better education for all, and utilisation by the BOM with regards to "spotting". Imagine what we can achieve! Now I realise that there are some who are disadvantaged by distance, but there are ways and means of getting around this now, such as the 'Net, Phone, Fax & video conferencing. Lets try!! It wont cost much to setup, and membership will be a means of linking all the "storm-heads" from around the Country, and unite them in one vision. What that vision will be, is up to the new Society. It could better promotion of severe weather, through Research, education & experience. It could be development of people in the art of chasing?? Who knows...but look at the USA. Storm chasers there have set up thriving businesses from the Tourist potential, because the weather is a topic which unites all people from around the globe. Australia wont always stay underpopulated as it is now, and the likelihood of the severe weather events that are not explored because of the vast size of the continent, will increase. There is no doubt that we have the Weather, - we just dot have the resources, people or population like the USA. We have a backward looking BOM, who care more about the dollar then the availability of information to people who are disadvantaged because of restricted incomes. But it can change, and will change. We can unite into one voice, and have members Australia wide. Things can change! You wait & see....all it takes is for a severe weather event to hit a major population centre such as the Wollongong floods, and people power moves mountains. (Just ask the NRMA!!) The political winds blow every which way .....but they too can be harnessed just at the opportune time. So this is it....... We Can Do it!! Lets try. Lets establish an organisation!! Lets make a future for storm chasers in this Country. Options are endless: Conferences Seminars Text Books for Storm chasing in Australia Websites RADAR!! NEXRAD!! or better... Monthly meetings:- whether in person or via the net. Organised chases or a regular basis, organised well in advance. Bigger numbers means more discounts, and cheaper alternatives. More members across Australia, means available accommodation!! (;-) The picture is big - I know. BUT imagine what the first chaser in the USA would have felt like.....and look at it now...radar for all.....chases, tours, paid work! So what do we need to do now?? Well we need to have a meeting, to make this happen. We need an executive to make things work. But most of all we need people! People who love the chase! the smell of the humid air, the feeling of big fat rain drops smashing against their faces, the feeling of thunder resonating through your body, the flash of light that can make the sky explode, and the holy grail....the twister!! So people, lets hear your voice. E-mail me a paulmoss at tpgi.com.au or the list to say yes, and give the following proposals: Name Date, time & place of meeting How much should membership cost? What should U get for it? Any other comments? People you would like to see on the executive?? Remember, this is the time.....so lets take it!! As Nick Sykes says: "Weather is everywhere....feels it force!" Yours in the Cell!! Paul Mossman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Sender: mbath at ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:32:53 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aussie-weather: Storm Chasers Australia Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul, What a great message - if this doesn't inspire everyone, nothing will! Meetings will have to be held where most will be able to attend. This is going to be difficult as the members on the list are all over the country. I would like Sydney or northern NSW. You will have to collate reponses. $20 - $30 per year should be acceptable to most. For that, a bi-monthly or quarterly newsletter and membership. I would like to see Storm News elvolve into something more than it is now. A mix of chase and weather accounts, educational material and Society info, contributed by all. I hope with a society we can obtain substantial discounts for the current subscription only weather products at the BoM. After all, we do provide a service in spotting and verification of warnings. This may come in time. The executive should consist of those able to organise venues, set up the society, and generally encourage initial membership. After that, it would be open to nominations. regards, Michael At 20:26 10/11/98 +1100, you wrote: >Hi everybody. > >For some time now, the idea of a Society built soley around Storms, Severe >Weather & Storm Chasing has been floated on both this mailing list and the >IRC chat Group. Well, lets do something about it!!. Under NSW Law, all we >need to do, is have a name registered, hold a meeting of no less then 5 >people, and move a constitution (which we can adapt from the NSW Dept fair >Trading Model Rules for Constitutions). > >People such as Michael Bath, Jimmy Deguara, Michael Thompson, Laurier >Williams have wealths of information for all of us to learn. BUT they will >fade away in the future. We need to "keep the dream alive" and promote >better education for all, and utilisation by the BOM with regards to >"spotting". Imagine what we can achieve! Now I realise that there are some >who are disadvantaged by distance, but there are ways and means of getting >around this now, such as the 'Net, Phone, Fax & video conferencing. > >Lets try!! It wont cost much to setup, and membership will be a means of >linking all the "storm-heads" from around the Country, and unite them in one >vision. What that vision will be, is up to the new Society. It could better >promotion of severe weather, through Research, education & experience. It >could be development of people in the art of chasing?? Who knows...but look >at the USA. Storm chasers there have set up thriving businesses from the >Tourist potential, because the weather is a topic which unites all people >from around the globe. Australia wont always stay underpopulated as it is >now, and the likelihood of the severe weather events that are not explored >because of the vast size of the continent, will increase. There is no doubt >that we have the Weather, - we just dot have the resources, people or >population like the USA. We have a backward looking BOM, who care more about >the dollar then the availability of information to people who are >disadvantaged because of restricted incomes. > >But it can change, and will change. We can unite into one voice, and have >members Australia wide. Things can change! You wait & see....all it takes is >for a severe weather event to hit a major population centre such as the >Wollongong floods, and people power moves mountains. (Just ask the NRMA!!) >The political winds blow every which way .....but they too can be harnessed >just at the opportune time. > >So this is it....... We Can Do it!! Lets try. Lets establish an >organisation!! Lets make a future for storm chasers in this Country. > >Options are endless: > >Conferences >Seminars >Text Books for Storm chasing in Australia >Websites >RADAR!! >NEXRAD!! or better... >Monthly meetings:- whether in person or via the net. >Organised chases or a regular basis, organised well in advance. >Bigger numbers means more discounts, and cheaper alternatives. >More members across Australia, means available accommodation!! (;-) > >The picture is big - I know. BUT imagine what the first chaser in the USA >would have felt like.....and look at it now...radar for all.....chases, >tours, paid work! > >So what do we need to do now?? Well we need to have a meeting, to make this >happen. We need an executive to make things work. But most of all we need >people! People who love the chase! the smell of the humid air, the feeling >of big fat rain drops smashing against their faces, the feeling of thunder >resonating through your body, the flash of light that can make the sky >explode, and the holy grail....the twister!! > >So people, lets hear your voice. E-mail me a paulmoss at tpgi.com.au or the >list to say yes, and give the following proposals: > >Name >Date, time & place of meeting >How much should membership cost? >What should U get for it? >Any other comments? >People you would like to see on the executive?? > >Remember, this is the time.....so lets take it!! >As Nick Sykes says: "Weather is everywhere....feels it force!" > >Yours in the Cell!! >Paul Mossman *==========================================================* Michael Bath Oakhurst, Sydney mbath at ozemail.com.au Australian Severe Weather http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/ *==========================================================* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Sender: disarm at mail.braenet.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:48:51 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Storm Chasers Australia!!! Proposal to become an Incorporated Assoc. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep i agree, and with Michael Bath's suggestion i would gladly pay the small fee for yearly membership.. we just gotta get it happening really.. Matt >Hi everybody. > >For some time now, the idea of a Society built soley around Storms, Severe >Weather & Storm Chasing has been floated on both this mailing list and the >IRC chat Group. Well, lets do something about it!!. Under NSW Law, all we >need to do, is have a name registered, hold a meeting of no less then 5 >people, and move a constitution (which we can adapt from the NSW Dept fair >Trading Model Rules for Constitutions). > >People such as Michael Bath, Jimmy Deguara, Michael Thompson, Laurier >Williams have wealths of information for all of us to learn. BUT they will >fade away in the future. We need to "keep the dream alive" and promote >better education for all, and utilisation by the BOM with regards to >"spotting". Imagine what we can achieve! Now I realise that there are some >who are disadvantaged by distance, but there are ways and means of getting >around this now, such as the 'Net, Phone, Fax & video conferencing. > >Lets try!! It wont cost much to setup, and membership will be a means of >linking all the "storm-heads" from around the Country, and unite them in one >vision. What that vision will be, is up to the new Society. It could better >promotion of severe weather, through Research, education & experience. It >could be development of people in the art of chasing?? Who knows...but look >at the USA. Storm chasers there have set up thriving businesses from the >Tourist potential, because the weather is a topic which unites all people >from around the globe. Australia wont always stay underpopulated as it is >now, and the likelihood of the severe weather events that are not explored >because of the vast size of the continent, will increase. There is no doubt >that we have the Weather, - we just dot have the resources, people or >population like the USA. We have a backward looking BOM, who care more about >the dollar then the availability of information to people who are >disadvantaged because of restricted incomes. > >But it can change, and will change. We can unite into one voice, and have >members Australia wide. Things can change! You wait & see....all it takes is >for a severe weather event to hit a major population centre such as the >Wollongong floods, and people power moves mountains. (Just ask the NRMA!!) >The political winds blow every which way .....but they too can be harnessed >just at the opportune time. > >So this is it....... We Can Do it!! Lets try. Lets establish an >organisation!! Lets make a future for storm chasers in this Country. > >Options are endless: > >Conferences >Seminars >Text Books for Storm chasing in Australia >Websites >RADAR!! >NEXRAD!! or better... >Monthly meetings:- whether in person or via the net. >Organised chases or a regular basis, organised well in advance. >Bigger numbers means more discounts, and cheaper alternatives. >More members across Australia, means available accommodation!! (;-) > >The picture is big - I know. BUT imagine what the first chaser in the USA >would have felt like.....and look at it now...radar for all.....chases, >tours, paid work! > >So what do we need to do now?? Well we need to have a meeting, to make this >happen. We need an executive to make things work. But most of all we need >people! People who love the chase! the smell of the humid air, the feeling >of big fat rain drops smashing against their faces, the feeling of thunder >resonating through your body, the flash of light that can make the sky >explode, and the holy grail....the twister!! > >So people, lets hear your voice. E-mail me a paulmoss at tpgi.com.au or the >list to say yes, and give the following proposals: > >Name >Date, time & place of meeting >How much should membership cost? >What should U get for it? >Any other comments? >People you would like to see on the executive?? > >Remember, this is the time.....so lets take it!! >As Nick Sykes says: "Weather is everywhere....feels it force!" > >Yours in the Cell!! >Paul Mossman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:48:28 -0800 From: Michael Cross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Hello from NZ Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi Ben-mick cross here.do you by any chance know if NZ ever has damaging hail big enough to dent cars any info would be appreciated. Ben Tichborne wrote: > Little interesting weather in NZ lately - just some weak troughs and > ridges. However, many people in certain central and western areas don't > want any more 'interesting ' weather, after last month's rainstorms. > NZ normally has more low-level snow events than Australia, but not this > year it seems. We haven't had any snow in Christchuch this year (though it > did snow lightly to sea-level in nearby Akaroa on 2 August). We'll probably > have to wait until next winter - November snow in Christchuch happens about > once every 50 years, the last time being in November 1976. However, wintry > outbreaks in southeast Australia seem to be continuing - no doubt there > will be even more to come. I was also wondering how often, and how late in > the season has snow fallen in southeast Queeensland?. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Sender: bayns at nornet.nor.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:06:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aussie-weather: storm chasers australia Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey, well, what can i say! thats the most brilliant idea i've ever heard! i'll be in that! sounds interesting and fun!!:) i'll be glad to be a member. steve from gold coast -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Webcams Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:50:52 +1100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I will know more by Friday. ( I hope ).... > >Michael Thompson: The NT trip is going extremely well, with 4 people now >going. We leave on the 4.12.1998 for 9 fab days in the NT!! > >Anyone wishing to go, better hurry as the cheap airfares & accommodation >deal expires this Friday. All are still welcome!! > >Paul. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:42:23 +1100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Write a letter of complaint to Senator McDonald, I did, and was ignored of course. I also wrote to every farming body I could find before last election, no luck there either. But keep pushing. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Phyland To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tuesday, 10 November 1998 19:15 Subject: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! >Why is it that the most useful short lead-time tool of the Bureau's is >not available on the net!!! >Where can we get radar info in Oz? > >Yours, demonstrably peed off, >Kevin Phyland. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Storm Chasers Australia!!! Proposal to become an Incorporated Assoc. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:49:54 +1100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I know I'm 41, but I not quite ready to fade away yet. But I agree with the proposals. >People such as Michael Bath, Jimmy Deguara, Michael Thompson, Laurier >Williams have wealths of information for all of us to learn. BUT they will >fade away in the future. We need to "keep the dream alive" and promote It is the politicians who are to blame, it is cost recovery at all costs with near all Goverment Departments these days. Senator MacDonald ( I think ) would have briefed to big nobs of the Bureau not long after the previous election and gave them the orders to start recovering costs. The average Meteorologist at the Bureau on a personal level probably has the same opionions as we do. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Originating-Ip: [203.13.168.7] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:07:35 PST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bodie et al, Just came back on-line (10.40 p.m. local). Yeah, I have access to weatherfax from work, but have often wondered how they can actually show 1024 km x 1024 km pix and be accurate! I mean, what is the angle? 30, 50? How can they be accurate considering the curvature of the Earth et al from melbourne to where I am? ;)) P.S. Yes, it's quite expensive! I agree with Laurier Williams. If we pay for it, by taxes, why can't we access it? Yours, still a bit peeved, Kevin Phyland. >From: "Bodie" >To: >Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! >Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:43:28 -0800 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-Msmail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >Precedence: list >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >>Why is it that the most useful short lead-time tool of the Bureau's is >>not available on the net!!! >>Where can we get radar info in Oz? >> >>Yours, demonstrably peed off, >>Kevin Phyland. >> > >Radar is available from the Bureau Of Meteoroligy's Website (www.bom.gov.au) >from around $55 a month. It is the only radar access i know of in >Australia. > >It is annoying, considering there are SEVERAL radar sites in the states, and >many lightning detection pages as well. > >l8tr >Bodie from Brisbane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Originating-Ip: [203.13.168.7] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Storm Chasers Australia!!! Proposal to become an Incorporated Assoc. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:45:39 PST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Michael T, Well, some of the best of us they never hired! :)) Kevin P. >From: "Michael Thompson" >To: >Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Storm Chasers Australia!!! Proposal to become an Incorporated Assoc. >Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:49:54 +1100 >X-Priority: 3 >X-Msmail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >Precedence: list >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >I know I'm 41, but I not quite ready to fade away yet. But I agree with the >proposals. > >>People such as Michael Bath, Jimmy Deguara, Michael Thompson, Laurier >>Williams have wealths of information for all of us to learn. BUT they will >>fade away in the future. We need to "keep the dream alive" and promote > > >It is the politicians who are to blame, it is cost recovery at all costs >with near all Goverment Departments these days. Senator MacDonald ( I >think ) would have briefed to big nobs of the Bureau not long after the >previous election and gave them the orders to start recovering costs. The >average Meteorologist at the Bureau on a personal level probably has the >same opionions as we do. > > >Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:49:59 +1100 Subject: aussie-weather: Job Opportunity From: "Mark Hardy" To: aussie weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For any meteorologists out there with itchy feet. This may be of interest, This advertisement in Saturday's Australian. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Position: Media Meteorologist Our young and dynamic company specialises in media weather services. An exciting new contract means we are ready to employ Australia's most promising meteorologist in a key support position. 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Inquiries and applications to; Mark Hardy The Weather Company 111 Jones Street Ultimo NSW 2007 Fax: 02 9280 1882 Or by email to, mhardy at magna.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Originating-Ip: [203.13.168.7] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:53:37 PST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Michael T., Sorry! I just got this! For people that can't find their arse with a funnel, they sure have access to some good stuff! (The pollies that is.) Radar should be just as accessible as satellite shots, though I suppose the reason that they aren't is that WE rely on other people's satellites but our own radar! Gee, call me weird! And to think, that thirty five years ago we were a space power! :)) God, what I wouldn't give for a NEXRAD in Oz! Kevin P. >From: "Michael Thompson" >To: >Subject: Re: aussie-weather: RADAR!!! >Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:42:23 +1100 >X-Priority: 3 >X-Msmail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >Precedence: list >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Write a letter of complaint to Senator McDonald, I did, and was ignored of >course. >I also wrote to every farming body I could find before last election, no >luck there either. But keep pushing. > >Michael
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