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From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:26:17 +1000
Subject: aussie-weather: Lots of Stuff.
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Howdy All!!
I have a few matters to raise:
1. The first meeting of the New Society (no name chosen yet...........thats
the first decision) will be on Thursday, 3rd December 1998 at 6.30pm at the
Macquarie Uni. David Croan (howdy David!) will advise the room Number (I
hope) . Agenda will be:
1. Name of Assoc.
2. Election of Office Bearers. (What, how many & who to be decided on
the night)
3. Adoption (or creation of) a constitution.
4. Setting of membership fees.
5. General Business.
2. Good to hear that some people got some action on the weekend. We got a
thundery shower yesterday, exactly as the BOM predicted!
3. The aftermath of the east Coast Low: Rainfall figures were Wed: 74.1,
Thurs: 17.4, Fri: 10.7mm. So far this month we have had 190.2mm, which is
almost 3 times the monthly average for Taree!
4. Remember when Jimmy (gday Jimmy) raised the topic of the full moon &
rainfall, and the correlation. Well I have had a quick look and guess what!
Its proving to be soemwhat accurate. October Full moon was clear, giving
below average rainfall for that month. November full moon was raining,
giving above average rainfall!! Coincidence....most likely, but..........??
5. What causes Thundery showers?? We know that the most likely cause of
thunder is the superheating of air molecules when lightning passes through
it, but when you have thundery showers without Lightning, what causes the
thunder? Warm & cold air masses colliding??
6. We too have TS predicted all week, so lets hope we all get some!!
7. Nick, Greg & Matt Smith: Did u get the surprises, and if so........thanx
for telling me!!
8. What about the relationship between Animals & seveer weather? I give you
this instance. The "storm" bird. More commonly know as the spoon billed
..................sumthin (ask Matt from Blaxland). Whenever it calls, it
is supposed to indicate storms. The last 2 occasions for storms here the
bird caled, and both times we had storms & heavy rain?? Maybe it sense the
lowering of air pressure & rising humidity? Anyone got ideas? Any more
examples.??
9. For Nick, Greg & Matt, I have now contacted a Ian Sheppard who is the
Severe Storm Manager for the NT BOM. He is going to help us out with
regards to a few matters. I am also trying to organise a tour of the severe
storm section as well. So fingers crossed.
10. In relation to lightning detection, I have emailed Northpower (which is
the NE NSW main power provider) with regards to putting there lightining
detection data on the net. They are getting back to me.
Big email I know, but lots of topics!!
Paul from Taree.
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Laurier,
I read something about this in yesterday's paper. It's Online Australia
Day, which is this week I think. I'll check back if I'm not told
differently with what the ad said.
Kevin Phyland.
>
>I'm not sure what's brewing, but go to
>http://www.bom.gov.au/oa/index.shtml and have a look. Most of the
>links don't yet work, but we may be in for some freebies!
>
>
>--=20
>Laurier Williams
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:33:40 GMT
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:26:17 +1000, Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>
>
>Howdy All!!
>
>I have a few matters to raise:
>
%>< heaps of good stuff snipped
Pretty impressive, Paul.. I'll vote for you as Secretary ;)
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Subject: aussie-weather: Radar report: 1998-11-22 at 2.10pm edst
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:56:21 GMT
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Not much to excite the storm enthusiasts! Radar is about 30mins slow
in updating today.
There is an interesting line of echoes extending from just west of
Scone to Narrabri and moving fairly quickly east. It has several
pixels of 40>100mm/hr about 100km west and SW of Tamworth. This
coincides with coldest cloud-top temps in the cloudmass in the NSW
trough on the latest (0130z) satpic.
Elsewhere, a broad area of light rain bounded roughly by Williamtown,
Mudgee, Parkes, Young, Goulburn, Richmond and back across the coast
about Gosford -- all moving east so I guess Sydney'll get some light
rain starting soon. An area of heavier rain (10>20 with a few spots
20>40) has developed about 20km S of Bowral moving east around 1pm.
Here at Blackheath, rain began about 1.30pm edst. Also light showers
(with the odd heavier onr) moving westwards onto the east Gippsland
coast. The tropics are virtually devoid of rain activity for the first
time in weeks.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:18:39 +1100
From: david.croan at agal.gov.au (David Croan)
Subject: aussie-weather: storm chaser meeting venue
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G'day Paul and all
Just dropping a message with regards to the venue for the society
meeting. I can get a room at the UTS St Leonards (actually Gore Hill)
Campus (Sorry Paul, I just mentioned Macquarie uni as we had a severe
storm meeting there but I myself dont have any contacts there). If
people are happy with this then it would be good to get an idea of who
will be going (the rooms aren't that big).
I should mention that Pin access is required for entry into the
building at this time of year so I would have to wait downstairs to
let people in.
Also, i'm not sure if time will allow for an informal severe storm
session, but I can get access to a VCR/monitor plus there are
tea/coffe facilities etc, so if anyone has any chase videoes, still
pics etc etc. just letting you know that it would be possible to view
them in relative comfort.
The location is easy although I wont attach any maps or further
details until I know for sure that people want it there. For those
familiar with that part of Sydney it is right near the Royal North
Shore Hospital (St. Leonards).
The address is:
School of Biological and Biomedical Sciences
University of Technology Sydney
Corner (right on the corner) Westbourne Street and the Pacific Highway
at Gore Hill
Cheers
David
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Subject: aussie-weather: Lots of Stuff.
Author: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au at agal-email
Date: 23/11/98 12:26 PM
Howdy All!!
I have a few matters to raise:
1. The first meeting of the New Society (no name chosen yet...........thats
the first decision) will be on Thursday, 3rd December 1998 at 6.30pm at the
Macquarie Uni. David Croan (howdy David!) will advise the room Number (I
hope) . Agenda will be:
1. Name of Assoc.
2. Election of Office Bearers. (What, how many & who to be decided on
the night)
3. Adoption (or creation of) a constitution. 4. Setting of membership fees.
5. General Business.
2. Good to hear that some people got some action on the weekend. We got a
thundery shower yesterday, exactly as the BOM predicted!
3. The aftermath of the east Coast Low: Rainfall figures were Wed: 74.1,
Thurs: 17.4, Fri: 10.7mm. So far this month we have had 190.2mm, which is
almost 3 times the monthly average for Taree!
4. Remember when Jimmy (gday Jimmy) raised the topic of the full moon &
rainfall, and the correlation. Well I have had a quick look and guess what!
Its proving to be soemwhat accurate. October Full moon was clear, giving
below average rainfall for that month. November full moon was raining,
giving above average rainfall!! Coincidence....most likely, but..........??
5. What causes Thundery showers?? We know that the most likely cause of
thunder is the superheating of air molecules when lightning passes through
it, but when you have thundery showers without Lightning, what causes the
thunder? Warm & cold air masses colliding??
6. We too have TS predicted all week, so lets hope we all get some!!
7. Nick, Greg & Matt Smith: Did u get the surprises, and if so........thanx
for telling me!!
8. What about the relationship between Animals & seveer weather? I give you
this instance. The "storm" bird. More commonly know as the spoon billed
..................sumthin (ask Matt from Blaxland). Whenever it calls, it
is supposed to indicate storms. The last 2 occasions for storms here the
bird caled, and both times we had storms & heavy rain?? Maybe it sense the
lowering of air pressure & rising humidity? Anyone got ideas? Any more
examples.??
9. For Nick, Greg & Matt, I have now contacted a Ian Sheppard who is the
Severe Storm Manager for the NT BOM. He is going to help us out with
regards to a few matters. I am also trying to organise a tour of the severe
storm section as well. So fingers crossed.
10. In relation to lightning detection, I have emailed Northpower (which is
the NE NSW main power provider) with regards to putting there lightining
detection data on the net. They are getting back to me.
Big email I know, but lots of topics!!
Paul from Taree.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:30:55 +1100
From: david.croan at agal.gov.au (David Croan)
Subject: aussie-weather: NSW severe ts advice 13:48
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With the radar figures you provided Laurier I thought that the warning for this
lot may have included hail.
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1348 on Monday the 23rd of November 1998
This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
North West Slopes south of Bingara,
Northern Tablelands south of Glen Innes,
Hunter northwest of Muswellbrook to Gloucester,
Mid North Coast west of Gloucester.
A line of thunderstorms is currently near Narrabri to Scone, moving east at
about 60 km/hr. Some of the thunderstorms in this line could be severe,
bringing destructive winds.
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Subject: aussie-weather: Radar report: 1998-11-22 at 2.50pm edst
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:09:00 GMT
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Things looking quite interesting!
1. Line of storms now Williamtown to Moree, moving rapidly east.
Heaviest echoes between Wmtown and Scone, and south of Moree.
2. Line of distinctly separate storms Port Macquarie to Grafton, with
big centres just S and about 50km NW of Coffs, no clear direction.
3. Several centres in a triangle Wollongong to Bowral to Nowra. These
are moving E fairly quickly, but seem to die as they approach the
escarpment, with new cells developing south of Bowral.
4. Large rain area with fair area 2>10mm/hr and some 10>20 in area
Newcastle to Mudgee to Orange to Goulburn to S of Sydney moving E
5. Several major echoes have developed in the past 30 mins or so in an
arc from E through S to SW of Alice Springs, about 50km out.
--
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
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From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Gday Laurier....thanx for the info.
It is so darik here now that the street lights have turned
on................its looking very ominus!! woohooo!!!
Keep u updated!!
paul
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From: Dann Weatherhead
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In the the last half an hour it has poured here. (Werrington Downs)20mm from 2:30 to 3:10. The sky is a dark green but no visable cloud formations, just rain.
In reply to Paul re: animals and Severe weather, there have a frog which lives in in a huge satghorn fern just near my window, and on a humid afternoon about 30 minutes just before a storm hits, the frog begind to sing. However, some afternoons when there is heaps of storm activity and we recive nothing, the frog doesn't sing.
Finally just a question to the buffs out there? Which are the more dangerous storm, the scattered cell storm, or the broad frontal storm (eg Brisbane Storm 2 months ago). A broader frontal storm is logically more dangerous because usually they are associated with dramatic atmospheric change, an can effect a wide path, but a small isolated storm although -small, and, devolped only becasue of small pockets of rising moisture-can be as dangerous becasue they affect a concentrated area thus maing forecasting (and chasing)much more difficult.
Just a thought. These is probably a really logical answer, which escapes me, but anyway.
Happy hunting
Dann
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:49:53 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham
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Subject: aussie-weather: Destructive Winds...
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>From the Severe T'Storm Advice:
"Winds strong enough to damage houses and uproot trees have been reported
from the North West Slopes south of Tamworth."
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:00:26 +1000
Subject: aussie-weather: TS!!
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It is raining here, lightning, and cop cars going everywhere!! So far
nothing severe, but its looking hell darker west!! woohoo!! Hang on
tight.....this is gunna be a rough ride!!
Paul
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:04:36 +1000
Subject: aussie-weather: Severe TS
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Howdy all.....we are receiving a severe TS right now, strong squally winds,
extreme rain , CG & CC lightning, radio sounding the severe weather alarm
right now........
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:59:36 +1000
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Howdy everyone. Just thought I would share this with you!
Esp Nick, Greg & Matt Smith - we will have to pick a day!
Paul
---------------------- Forwarded by Paul Mossman/LCO/NSW_AG on 23/11/98
15:56 ---------------------------
Ian Shepherd on 23/11/98 15:03:47
To: Paul Mossman/LCO/NSW_AG
cc: sevwx at BoM.GOV.AU
Subject: Re: Storm Chasing & Information
Paul,
In reply to your query:
a. The Darwin region is probably the best location to 'storm-chase' in the
Northern Territory, with an average of over 80 thunderstorm days per year.
December is the month with the highest number of thunder days (an average
of 16 in Darwin) and early in the month is a particularly good time, before
the onset of the monsoon. The 'Hector' storm complex occurs regularly over
Bathurst and Melville Islands to the north and may be observed at a
distance from Darwin - however, an aircraft would be required for a close
view. The network of roads in the rural areas surrounding Darwin would
enable your team to get close to storms within about 60 km of Darwin.
Thunderstorms occur much less frequently in inland parts of the Territory
and might be more difficult to chase due to the lack of roads.
b. Your team is most welcome to visit the severe weather section in the
Darwin Bureau of Meteorology office. We can provide a guided tour of the
office with some advance warning of your visit (depending upon
weather-related operational demands). Day-to-day advice on the likelihood
of storms in various locations could be provided by the duty forecasters.
c. Severe storms are infrequent in the Northern Territory - the severe
weather section receives around 20 confirmed reports each year (much less
than in NSW due to low population density). The severe phenomena reported
are severe wind gusts (>48 knots or 90 km/h), large hail and flash floods.
About one report per year mentions tornadoes or features associated with
rotating storms.
In the Darwin area, severe wind gusts are primarily associated with squall
lines moving from east to west and also with 'pulse updraft storms'. As
squall lines are long-lived, meteorologists can assess the risk of severe
wind gusts in a particular event and may issue a severe storm warning for
Darwin and surrounding areas. Pulse updraft storms are isolated, localised
and difficult to forecast.
It is probable that you will observe one or two squall lines in the Darwin
area during your visit, but it is unlikely that you will observe a severe
storm at close range.
If you have access to the internet, try the following sites for some basic
information about severe thunderstorms in the NT:
http://ethos.ho.bom.gov.au/spawspo/thunder/allstorm.html
http://www.nt.bom.gov.au/ntregion/sevwx/storms/sts.html
http://www.nt.bom.gov.au/ntregion/sevwx/storms/stsdir_a2.html
Our staff can provide more information when you visit the office. Please
let me know when you arrive.
Regards, Ian Shepherd.
At 12:39 23/11/98 +1000, you wrote:
>
>
>Good Afternoon / Morning Sir.
>
>My name is Paul Mossman from the NSW town of Taree. I am leading a storm
>chase to the NT / Darwin areas for 10 days starting the 4.12.98. I was
>wondering whether:
>
>a. Is it possible for soem information regarding the best place to chase
>storms.
>b. A guided tour of the Darwin BOM & severe storm section? (pretty
please!!
>- only a Group of 4 guys)
>c. Types of severity to look out for in NT storms (seeing that the Group
of
>us have never seen a NT Storm!!)
>ie. Funnels, hail, rotating wall cloud, mesocyclonic storms
etc...........)
>
>I appreciate your help, and will pay any fees (if applicable).
>
>Regards, Paul Mossman.
>
>
Ian Shepherd,
Senior Meteorologist, Severe Weather Section
Northern Territory Regional Office
Bureau of Meteorology, PO Box 40050, Casuarina, N.T. 0811
Ph (08) 8920 3821 Fax (08) 8920 3840
e-mail I.Shepherd at bom.gov.au
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:19:45 +1100
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From: Ben Munro
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At 05:42 PM 22/11/98 PST, you wrote:
>Laurier,
>I read something about this in yesterday's paper. It's Online Australia
>Day, which is this week I think. I'll check back if I'm not told
>differently with what the ad said.
>Kevin Phyland.
It's on Friday, so hopefully there'll be lots of storms to observe on the
radar that day ( after my maths exam in the morning and before i go away
for the weekend in the afternoon of course :)
Ben Munro
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 05:23:12 GMT
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:59:36 +1000, Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>Howdy everyone. Just thought I would share this with you!
>
>Esp Nick, Greg & Matt Smith - we will have to pick a day!
>
Useful info, Paul, but of course the internal Bureau internet
addresses carrying what Ian described as "basic information about
severe thunderstorms in the NT":
>
>http://ethos.ho.bom.gov.au/spawspo/thunder/allstorm.html
>http://www.nt.bom.gov.au/ntregion/sevwx/storms/sts.html
>http://www.nt.bom.gov.au/ntregion/sevwx/storms/stsdir_a2.html
>
bring up errors because they're not attached to the net, tho they
could be.
In the US, the NWS would have stuff like this on the net. Why does the
Bureau draw this shroud of secrecy across its "internal" materials
when (a) the taxpayer pays for them, (b) their availability is hardly
a national security issue, and (c) putting them on the net is simply a
matter of systems configuration.
--
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
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From: "James Chambers"
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:26:23 +1000
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Hi all
After a half day at work watching large cu build up all day and falling
over, some may actually be starting to become a bit stronger. There is only
single cell dev't at this stage with very weak anvils. In some parts there
is anvil cirrus which has been ripped off the tops of the clouds, but to the
NW there is an okay couple of towers with pileus on top. If the bad luck
today continues, it'll rip and become fibrous, but if not... We'll see.
TEWANTIN 1400 NNE/014 26 1006.5
MAROOCHYDORE 1430 NNE/019 26 1005.8
CAPE MORETON 1400 NNE/017 24 1007.2
BRISBANE AP 1430 NNE/017 27 1005.2
TOOWOOMBA 1500 NNW/011 28 1008.3
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James Chambers
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:40:17 +1000
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Hi all
A fantastic CB tower has developed suddenly to the NNW or NNNW. From
nothing to something in less than half an hour. It is NNW of the 'Gabba.
Very strong updraughts!
Elsewhere, not a lot is happening.
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James Chambers
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 05:41:50 GMT
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Main activity now on the NSW mid-north coast. The 16.10edst 1024km
panel from Grafton shows an area of >100mm/hr around Woolgoolga --
probable hail. There are echoes 40>100 in a line from just south of
Casino to Coffs, and one just south of Port Macquarie. Lots of 10>20
and a few 20>40 in an arc from Glen Innes to around Taree (Paul....).
Meanwhile, the Brisbane/Marburg panel for 15.20est shows a rapidly
developing and quite large echo of 40>100 50km NE (James....)
The activity in the Nowra/Bowral/Wgong region has died, but the past
hour has seen fairly widespread 10>20 echoes in southern Sydney and
especially around Botany Bay.
Gee...I thought it was going to be a quiet day...
--
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:56:31 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham
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Just a quick note: there was a very interesting article on the Tiwi
Islands' "Hector Storm" in the Oct/Dec 1997 issue of Australian Geographic
Magazine. The author of the article visits the international
meteorological research station on Melville island and reports on some of
the work being conducted. One interesting point to note is that rotation
has been observed in the Hector storm and occasionally has spawned a
tornado. The Hector storm results from a sea breeze convergence in the
period leading up the the monsoon.
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Laurier Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:59:36 +1000, Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>
> >Howdy everyone. Just thought I would share this with you!
> >
> >Esp Nick, Greg & Matt Smith - we will have to pick a day!
> >
> Useful info, Paul, but of course the internal Bureau internet
> addresses carrying what Ian described as "basic information about
> severe thunderstorms in the NT":
> >
> >http://ethos.ho.bom.gov.au/spawspo/thunder/allstorm.html
> >http://www.nt.bom.gov.au/ntregion/sevwx/storms/sts.html
> >http://www.nt.bom.gov.au/ntregion/sevwx/storms/stsdir_a2.html
> >
> bring up errors because they're not attached to the net, tho they
> could be.
>
> In the US, the NWS would have stuff like this on the net. Why does the
> Bureau draw this shroud of secrecy across its "internal" materials
> when (a) the taxpayer pays for them, (b) their availability is hardly
> a national security issue, and (c) putting them on the net is simply a
> matter of systems configuration.
>
>
> --
> Laurier Williams
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Subject: aussie-weather: NSW/SE Qld storms
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:23:29 GMT
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For the radar starved, go to
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From: "W.A. (Bill) Webb"
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Hi Paul n all
Recently Paul wrote, amongst other things:
>8. What about the relationship between Animals & severe weather? I give >you
>this instance. The "storm" bird. More commonly know as the spoon billed
>..................sumthin
"cuckoo" is the bird referred to as a storm bird. I know it as a
largeish grey bird, quite common in this area around the normal storm
time from October on. There is also another cuckoo, black and noisy,
which is often called a storm bird.
I think they are common, and noisy, in this area come spring-early
summer - which coincides with the storm season - hence the connection.
But who knows?
Commonly, black cockatoos are also associated with rain - depending on
your point of view, the number of birds represents either the amopunt of
rain (in inches) or the number of days to rain. Again, their arrival on
the coast from the west coincides with the increased probability of
rain.
An interesting story was related to me by a mate who was camped on a
beach off Proserpine when cyclone Ada hit in 1970. There were numerous
scrub turkeys around his camp up until 24 hours before the blow hit.
They dissappeared (into the scrub). Probably didn't do them much good,
as the scrub was nothing but sticks after the blow! But apparently they
knew!
There are many more animal/weather stories of course, too many to
continue with here. I heard an interview on a radio recently with a
woman who had compiled them into a book - can't help more than that, but
a library may.
cheers
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Bill Webb
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:47:03 +1000
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Hi all
There's currently nice looking CB with backsheared anvils around Redcliffe
and NW of there. There's some small activity on the energex tracker and I
can see anvils wayyyyy into NSW. Ben Quinn may tell you all about the storms
later. It shouldn't affect the cricket. It may not be the same story
tomorrow though with increased likelihood of thunderstorm activity during
the afternoon. Unfortunately it looks like more of a rain situation coming
up on Wednesday, with some t'storms ahead of the trough.
Take a look at the Qld provincial cities forecast:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDF71Q00.txt
Just about everywhere expecting storms tomorrow.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:14:33 -0800
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>Hi all
>
>There's currently nice looking CB with backsheared anvils around Redcliffe
>and NW of there. There's some small activity on the energex tracker and I
>can see anvils wayyyyy into NSW. Ben Quinn may tell you all about the
storms
>later. It shouldn't affect the cricket. It may not be the same story
>tomorrow though with increased likelihood of thunderstorm activity during
>the afternoon. Unfortunately it looks like more of a rain situation coming
>up on Wednesday, with some t'storms ahead of the trough.
>
Well - from looking at the radar shots Laurier williams posted i would have
thought the storm would have been allot bigger. Almost throughout the
storms life i could see straight through it, but when i drove into it the
drops were very large. I havn't been chasing storms long (nor been into the
technical side of weather) but i think i ran into a Mircroburst NW of
redcliffe. There were several branches down over a 1km path, and allot of
water lying about, but this could have been from yesterdays storms. What
makes me think it was a microburst is becouse all of a sudden there was
nothing there, then a dark rain curtain, and 5 mins later nothing again. I
also saw some quite nice Mammatus at the rear of the storm , along with
several Cg's over a 5 minute period, then it pretty much collapsed.
Hopefully there will be more action tomorrow , or tonight even :)
l8tr
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:30:23 -0800
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FLOOD ALERT
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1601 on Monday the 23rd of November 1998
FOR the Namoi/Peel and Upper Hunter Valleys
A trough linked to a low pressure system over South Australia is expected to
move slowly over north east NSW over the next 2 days producing moderate to
heavy falls across the region.
Rainfall totals between 50 to 70 mm are forecast for some areas over the
next
24 to 48 hours which could produce some local and, possibly, main river
flooding
along the Namoi Peel River system and the upper Hunter River.
The potential for flooding in other areas of the state will be reviewed
tomorrow morning.
Most of the rainfall is expected to occur on Tuesday 24/11/98 and Wenesday
25/11/98
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:08:06 -0800
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What does everyone think the chances are of storms tonight in brisbane?
Judging by the latest sat pics, and loops we have a large area of storms
heading our way. My only hope is they will last into the night? Can anyone
help me? :)
l8tr
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Laurier,
Right on!
Hopefully the ASSC will be able to apprise the BOM of this lack.
Yours,
Kevin.
>In the US, the NWS would have stuff like this on the net. Why does the
>Bureau draw this shroud of secrecy across its "internal" materials
>when (a) the taxpayer pays for them, (b) their availability is hardly
>a national security issue, and (c) putting them on the net is simply a
>matter of systems configuration.
>
>
>--=20
>Laurier Williams
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From: "Jimmy Deguara"
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Subject: aussie-weather: Venue for Association meeting
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:42:12 +1100
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I would like to suggest that the meeting be held somewhere more Central like
Parramatta. It can even be a secluded area in a club where you can have a
drink or something.... Last year when Michael Thompson and Ira met us for
the first time, we had a great time in the Blacktown Workers Club where we
sat on a lounge and shared stories and photos along with a drink.... It
doesn't really have to be a room or whatever...
By the way this meeting was the first real push for this association. I am
glad it is finally going to take place..
Jimmy Deguara
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If you would like to see Tropical storms at their heights compared to our
storms, check out
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html
Click on the area you would like to view each time. The NT storms are
spectactular compared to ours
Jimmy Deguara
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Subject: aussie-weather: Passing of Ted Fujita
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 98 21:12:17 +1000
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While browsing the Stormtrack homepage ( http://www.storm-track.com/ ) I
was saddened upon reading an obituary for pioneering tornado researcher
and founder of the F tornado damage scale, Dr. Ted Fujita. As I'm sure
many of the storm chasers, meteorologists and even general weather
enthusiasts are familiar with D. Fujita I thought that this information
was worth forwarding to the list.
David C
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FLOOD ALERT
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1601 on Monday the 23rd of November 1998
FOR the Namoi/Peel and Upper Hunter Valleys
A trough linked to a low pressure system over South Australia is expected to
move slowly over north east NSW over the next 2 days producing moderate to
heavy falls across the region.
Rainfall totals between 50 to 70 mm are forecast for some areas over the
next
24 to 48 hours which could produce some local and, possibly, main river
flooding
along the Namoi Peel River system and the upper Hunter River.
The potential for flooding in other areas of the state will be reviewed
tomorrow morning.
Most of the rainfall is expected to occur on Tuesday 24/11/98 and Wenesday
25/11/98
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:50:18 +1100
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Dear Jimmy
Thanks for the e-mail, oh yeah those N.T storms are going off, I only hope
there like that in Darwin in a couple of weeks time.
Been very boring in Melbourne lately, no storms for weeks.
I will make a brave prediction and say Melbourne will get a storm tomorow,
nothing on the forecast but with an easterly airstream and a bit of daytime
heating anything can happen.
I don't know if you get radar, but if you do i was wondeering if it is worth
the money to shell out the cash for
thanks again, hope ypu get a storm in Sydney
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Deguara
To:
Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 8:45 PM
>If you would like to see Tropical storms at their heights compared to our
>storms, check out
>http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html
>
>Click on the area you would like to view each time. The NT storms are
>spectactular compared to ours
>
>Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:14:23 +1100
From: Brian Wheldon
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Hi All
As this is the first time on Aussie Weather I don't know if
this is at all correct im sure someone will fill me in, anyway here
goes.
As my internet time is limited ill try and keep this as brief as
possible.
Observed possible thunder storm NE of the Dandenong ranges when viewed
from Moorabbin Airport this seemed like a reasonable sized buildup but
very quickly dissipated at around 5-30pm. little cu observed around
ranges but nothing of any significance. looks like nothing now until
later in the week.
hope this is correct if not can somebody please advise the correct
procedure looks like most of you guys have got things down pat.
Regards Brian
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Sorry,
I cannot comment on the situation down there but I think there may be some
activity tomorrow. That's my guess although most of the activity for chasers
is SE to Central Qld.
Anyway, welcome to the group. I hope you enjoy. If you interested, there is
a storm chaser society which is about to be setup. More details will unfold
in the coming days and weeks.
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:16 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: possible storm
>Hi All
> As this is the first time on Aussie Weather I don't know if
>this is at all correct im sure someone will fill me in, anyway here
>goes.
> As my internet time is limited ill try and keep this as brief as
>possible.
>Observed possible thunder storm NE of the Dandenong ranges when viewed
>from Moorabbin Airport this seemed like a reasonable sized buildup but
>very quickly dissipated at around 5-30pm. little cu observed around
>ranges but nothing of any significance. looks like nothing now until
>later in the week.
>hope this is correct if not can somebody please advise the correct
>procedure looks like most of you guys have got things down pat.
>Regards Brian
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:34:03 +1000
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Hi all
It looks like we *may* get some storms in the next couple of hours. By
watching the energex lightning detection on the TV Teletext, (which is
10mins faster than the net one) a large thunderstorm has built up on the
Border Ranges south of Boonah but interestingly, a very nice tower
illuminated by frequent lightning has developed NW of Boonah. Hopefully
they'll keep propagating NW so we can get something here in Bris.
I'm hoping!!
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James Chambers
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:36:00 GMT
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:08:06 -0800, "Ben Quinn"
wrote:
>What does everyone think the chances are of storms tonight in brisbane?
>Judging by the latest sat pics, and loops we have a large area of storms
>heading our way. My only hope is they will last into the night? Can anyone
>help me? :)
>
A couple of developing sets of echoes at 9.20 EST, Ben -- about 50km
SSW and 85km SW of Brisbane, moving ENE around 40km/h.
The north coast storms are now in a spectacular line running SE from
Cape Byron for about 300km, with 40>100mm/hr echoes along half the
length of the line. Anyone got a fast boat?
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:36:19 GMT
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:42:12 +1100, "Jimmy Deguara"
wrote:
>I would like to suggest that the meeting be held somewhere more Central like
>Parramatta. It can even be a secluded area in a club where you can have a
>drink or something....
I'll be hoping to be there, wherever it is. Tho if it's to be at 6.30,
which is about the time I'll finish work at North Sydney......
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That's ok. If this venue suits most, that'll be fine... I will be there...
Looking forward to meeting everyone.
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Venue for Association meeting
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:42:12 +1100, "Jimmy Deguara"
wrote:
>I would like to suggest that the meeting be held somewhere more Central
like
>Parramatta. It can even be a secluded area in a club where you can have a
>drink or something....
I'll be hoping to be there, wherever it is. Tho if it's to be at 6.30,
which is about the time I'll finish work at North Sydney......
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James,
You can expect some very good activity somewhat inland as well as NW of
Brisbane over the next few days at least. Quite a few of these storms should
be severe.
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:34 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: storms approaching bris
>Hi all
>
>It looks like we *may* get some storms in the next couple of hours. By
>watching the energex lightning detection on the TV Teletext, (which is
>10mins faster than the net one) a large thunderstorm has built up on the
>Border Ranges south of Boonah but interestingly, a very nice tower
>illuminated by frequent lightning has developed NW of Boonah. Hopefully
>they'll keep propagating NW so we can get something here in Bris.
>
>I'm hoping!!
>------------------------------------------------------
>James Chambers
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:17:09 +1100
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The BOM has a bad habit of neglecting to tell us when the alpine regions are
going to produce storms, all the forecasts missed the one that wet all our
hay this afternoon.....
RR
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Storms south of Bris have developed enormously in the past half hour.
Marburg radar now shows solid echoes from around Rosewood SSE to
Kyogle, with a large area of 20>40mm/hr with half a dozen points of
40>100 centred on Boonah -- or at least I think so. The BoM hasn't yet
put any locations on the radar overlay, just the N,S,E,W lines and 50
and 100km radii and coastline and NSW/Qld border, so it's all a bit of
guesswork.
Anyone on the Gold Coast should be looking fwd to some interesting wx
in the next hour.
--
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
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Subject: aussie-weather: seq storms
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:31:08 +1000
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I agree, its happy hour at the Gold Coast. Unfortunately, it doesn't look
so great here in Brisbane. Some low cloud is hiding the
Boonah/Beaudesert/Canungra storm complex so I can only see sheet lighting
instead of the CC's, CG's and CA's. I'm desperately hoping for dev't to the
west - thats the only way Brissie people will get a storm. I've got a
feeling though that storms will continue much of the night and into the
morning on the Border Ranges.
Tomorrow should be big.
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James Chambers
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From: "James Chambers"
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Subject: aussie-weather: new storm to the WNW
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:42:28 +1000
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I'm happier all of a sudden. A couple of storms have developed to the WNW
but aren't strong enough to show up on the lightning detection. Hopefully
it'll intensify from nothing to huge like the others have.
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James Chambers
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