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001 Gavin Wilson [gwilson at tig.com.au] Vicorian Fire Alerts
002 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.com.au] RE: Victorian Fire Alerts
003 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Appropriate link....
004 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Severe Weather Report Form...
005 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Re: Severe Weather Report Form...
006 "Andrew Treloar" [pileus at hotmail.com] Vicorian Fire Alerts
007 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Another name for the society
008 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Another name for the society
009 Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com] Another name for the society
010 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Another name for the society
011 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Lifted index instructions
012 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Oh no
013 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Oh no
014 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Oh no
015 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Name of Society
016 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.com.au] RE: Name of Society
017 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Latest IR Satellite photo...
018 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] Latest IR Satellite photo...
019 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.com.au] Possible Darwin Cyclone
020 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Confirmed Darwin TC
021 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Name for Storm Society...
022 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Name for Storm Society...
023 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] THELMA
024 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] THELMA
025 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Hi there!
026 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] THELMA
027 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] THELMA
028 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] THELMA
029 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] That name again
030 mildad [mildad at one.net.au] (no subject)
031 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Name for Storm Society...
032 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Severe Weather Report Form...
033 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Severe Weather Report Form...
034 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Name for Storm Society...
035 "Ben Quinn" [Bodie at corplink.com.au] THELMA
036 Ira [jra at upnaway.com] Name for Storm Society...
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001
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 01:33:47 +1100
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From: Gavin Wilson [gwilson at tig.com.au]
Subject: aussie-weather: Vicorian Fire Alerts
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Can anyone tell me what is in place for this seasons fires, is there some
type of watch or notification giving details of dryest areas along with
alerts?,
Hopefully there is so some of us can keep an eye on Victorian Hot Spots!
Thanx
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002
From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: RE: Victorian Fire Alerts
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:23:44 +1100
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>Can anyone tell me what is in place for this seasons fires, is there some
>type of watch or notification giving details of dryest areas along with
>alerts?,
For those interested in the upcoming bushfire season in Victoria, this page
may be of interest - (also very useful for people whose yachting results may
depend on the time, direction & strength of a windshift on Port Phillip Bay)
gopher://gilgamesh.ho.bom.gov.au/00/Australian%20Weather%20Information/Victo
ria/18500.txt%09%09%2B
TOWN/CITY MAX REL WIND DF CUR FST GRS WIND CHANGE TMP HUM DIRECT
/SPD/GST (%) FDR
--------------- (C) (%) -------- (kph) - -- --- --- ---- - (kph and
time) ------
This is one of the resources used by the CFA.
Jane
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003
From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Appropriate link....
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:59:16 +1100
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The following is a link that will be useful whilst developing our group
although not the same. It is a storm chaser group but for young people. Take
note of the name.... Storm chasers.....
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/Tornado/index.html
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Jimmy Deguara from Schofields
e-mail: jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
homepage with Michael Bath
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/
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004
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:08:04 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Severe Weather Report Form...
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Hello everyone,
Over the past couple of days I have been working on an internet
storm report form. I have put it at:
http://hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au/~m3052695/storm_report/
What do people think? Please suggest any possible improvements. This is
an e-mail implementation and I still have to write some code for decoding
the results. At some stage, a CGI implementation can be put together with
the results sent straight into a database...
Cheers,
Paul G.
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Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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005
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:11:27 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Re: Severe Weather Report Form...
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I have put a lot of time and effort into this HTML, so if you wish to
re-use any of it, please include some acknowledgement...I think that there
should only be one version of this used by all.
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Paul Graham wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> Over the past couple of days I have been working on an internet
> storm report form. I have put it at:
>
> http://hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au/~m3052695/storm_report/
>
> What do people think? Please suggest any possible improvements. This is
> an e-mail implementation and I still have to write some code for decoding
> the results. At some stage, a CGI implementation can be put together with
> the results sent straight into a database...
> Cheers,
> Paul G.
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Vicorian Fire Alerts
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 18:08:11 PST
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Hi Gavin,
The Austrlian Bureau of Meteorology operates a comprehensive fire
weather service for fire authorities in every State of Australia. This
includes daily (or greater) forecasts of fire danger index for many
locations (eg. about 25 in Vic, 45 in NSW) fire weather warnings of days
likely to produce extreme fire danger (prompting Total Fire Bans in many
cases), site specific forecasts for individual fires and prescribed
burns, wind change charts, maps of soil dryness etc.
These services are coordinated by the Bureau's Severe Weather Sections
in each State in close consultation with the State fire authorities.
Most states also conduct special weather training courses for fire
fighters on the importance of weather and its relationship to fire
severity. Out of interest, the Severe Weather Sections also coordinate
Severe Thunderstorm and Tropical Cyclone Warning services as well.
Andrew
Senior Met, NSW Severe Weather
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>Can anyone tell me what is in place for this seasons fires, is there
some
>type of watch or notification giving details of dryest areas along with
>alerts?,
>
>Hopefully there is so some of us can keep an eye on Victorian Hot
Spots!
>
>Thanx
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007
From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Another name for the society
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:41:28 +1100
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To help in collating people's opinions or cause more uncertainty on a
society group's name, what do people think of
Australian Severe Storms Association (ASSA)
Voice your opinion. This could be fun to observe!!!!
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Jimmy Deguara from Schofields
e-mail: jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
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008
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:56:38 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
Organization: Strike One Lightning Photos
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Excellent,
I'm with you on this one. Vote 1 for ASSA.
--
Michael Fewings
Strike One Lightning Photos
http://strikeone.com.au
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009
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:55:16 +1000
From: Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com]
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Hi all,
I beleive there already is an ASSA, the Australian Students Space Association.
Might cause problems with people getting confused.
Cheers from Brisbane,
Rosco.
ps. Why am I always stuck inside at work whenever a decent storm happens?
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> To help in collating people's opinions or cause more uncertainty on a
> society group's name, what do people think of
>
> Australian Severe Storms Association (ASSA)
>
> Voice your opinion. This could be fun to observe!!!!
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010
From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Another name for the society
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:04:07 +1100
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Good point raised, I think we will have to stick with SCA
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ross Portas
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 2:00 PM
>Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Another name for the society
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I beleive there already is an ASSA, the Australian Students Space
Association.
>Might cause problems with people getting confused.
>
>Cheers from Brisbane,
>Rosco.
>
>ps. Why am I always stuck inside at work whenever a decent storm happens?
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011
From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Lifted index instructions
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:29:57 +1100
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Some people have used and others have asked for these instructions on lifted
index plotted forecasts. Here are the instructions again....
Directions on how to use the lifted index
check our chart links page...
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/links/ozcharts.htm
Then look for the section
Climate, Weather Analyses, Weather Forecasts from NOAA
AB/CPC Data Page: Server Selection Page
AB/CPC Data Page: Server 1
AB/CPC Data Page: Server 2
AB/CPC Data Page: Server 3
Global Data Assimilation System forecasts
AVN
forecasts ---------------------------------------this is the one I use
MRF forecasts
It seems to be the most up to date but only extends for 3 days.
Then select the appropriate latest time based on UTC and click the NEXT PAGE
button
Then choose LIFTX - on my page the variable is on the right hand column
Then go to the problem and change map projection to aust (australia)
Then select the times you want and the dat based on UTC. It gives you the
time range you can choose between 3 days in total other wise it will give a
data error
Then pree the PLOT button it should take about 15 seconds at the most or so
and you will have a plot.
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Jimmy Deguara from Schofields
e-mail: jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
homepage with Michael Bath
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/
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012
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:25:39 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
Organization: Strike One Lightning Photos
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Just checked and "SCA" is also
"The Society of Crystallographers in Australia"
http://www.sca.asn.au
Just had an idea. The majority like Storm Chasers Australia (SCA) so
lets keep on that track. Is there any problem with doing this except the
possible confusion of acronyms?
--
Michael Fewings
Strike One Lightning Photos
http://strikeone.com.au
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013
From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:32:32 +1100
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That's ok. Who is the more popular. If they haven't registered the acronym,
then we can and should to avoid future confusion and use.
We will have to wait for Paul Mossman to return
Jimmy Deguara
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Fewings
>To: Aussie Weather
>Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 2:26 PM
>Subject: aussie-weather: Oh no
>
>
>Just checked and "SCA" is also
>"The Society of Crystallographers in Australia"
>
>http://www.sca.asn.au
>
>Just had an idea. The majority like Storm Chasers Australia (SCA) so
>lets keep on that track. Is there any problem with doing this except the
>possible confusion of acronyms?
>--
>Michael Fewings
>Strike One Lightning Photos
>http://strikeone.com.au
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:05:24 PST
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Australian Severe Weather & Associated Phenomena (ASWAP)?
Then we could have ASWAP Meeting! :))
Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
>Just checked and "SCA" is also
>"The Society of Crystallographers in Australia"
>
>http://www.sca.asn.au
>
>Just had an idea. The majority like Storm Chasers Australia (SCA) so
>lets keep on that track. Is there any problem with doing this except
the
>possible confusion of acronyms?
>--
>Michael Fewings
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015
From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Name of Society
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:11:28 +1100
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It is very important that names of societies are not too long even though
you have tried to make it appropriate. Designing banners, brochures, etc
becomes more expensive and a headache to design....
Jimmy Deguara
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Phyland
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 3:05 PM
>Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Oh no
>
>
>Australian Severe Weather & Associated Phenomena (ASWAP)?
>Then we could have ASWAP Meeting! :))
>
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
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016
From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: RE: Name of Society
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:57:46 +1100
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Why not something like Australian Storm Chasers Inc. (ASCI) ? Covers
everything and we'd probably want to be an incorporated association.
Jane
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Subject: aussie-weather: Latest IR Satellite photo...
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:20:23 PST
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Hi every1,
Just noticed on the 330 GMT IR satellite shot that there appears to be a
broad area of cyclonic cloud bands NW of Darwin. It might be a trick of
the eye but it looks like a developing low.
Any thoughts?
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:27:52 +0800
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From: Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Latest IR Satellite photo...
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At 09:20 PM 05-12-98 PST, you wrote:
>Hi every1,
>Just noticed on the 330 GMT IR satellite shot that there appears to be a
>broad area of cyclonic cloud bands NW of Darwin. It might be a trick of
>the eye but it looks like a developing low.
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
yep, its looking good, the Darwin Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre expects
it to develop into a cyclone in the next 6 to 12 hours.
ISSUED BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
0130UTC 5 DECEMBER 1998
STORM WARNING FOR NORTHERN AREA
SITUATION
Tropical Low at 0000UTC
centred near 9.0 S 131.5 E and almost stationary.
Central pressure 996 hPa. Position fair.
AREA AFFECTED
The low is expected to develop into a Tropical Cyclone in the next
6-12 hours with winds increasing to 34 to 50 knots within 100
nautical miles of the centre.
Rough to very rough seas and rising swell.
FORECAST
At 1200UTC 6 December
9.0 South 131.5 East 992 hPa. Winds to 40 knots near centre.
At 0000UTC 7 December
9.2 South 131.0 East 985 hPa. Winds to 50 knots near centre.
Jacob
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.com.au]
To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Possible Darwin Cyclone
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:42:59 +1100
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I've been watching this one for a couple of days - looks like developing
further - they're forecasting it to turn into a cyclone in the next 12 hours
and are asking shipping for 3 hourly reports. Forecast for Darwin -
strengthening winds with storms tending to rain for tomorrow.
Jane
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020
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:38:58 +1100
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Confirmed Darwin TC
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HIGH SEAS WEATHER WARNING FOR METAREA 10/11
ISSUED BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
0530UTC 5 DECEMBER 1998
STORM WARNING FOR NORTHERN AREA
SITUATION
Tropical Cyclone THELMA at 0430UTC
centred near 9.0 S 131.2 E and almost stationary.
Central pressure 994 hPa. Position fair.
AREA AFFECTED
Sustained winds increasing to 50 knots near centre.
Winds above 48 knots developing within 30 nautical miles of centre
with very rough seas and moderate swell.
Winds above 34 knots within 100 nautical miles of centre with rough
to very rough seas and moderate to heavy swell.
FORECAST
At 1500UTC 6 December
9.0 South 131.1 East 992 hPa. Winds to 40 knots near centre.
At 0300UTC 7 December
9.2 South 131.0 East 985 hPa. Winds to 50 knots near centre.
REMARKS
Ships in general area please transmit three hourly weather reports.
WEATHER DARWIN +
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:05:43 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Hi everyone,
Here are some of my thoughts on the new society and what might be named.
Although I came along to the meeting when the issue of the societys name
was being discussed and agreed to what most people seemed to want, I have
had a careful think about some of the implications of calling ourselves
"The Australian Storm Chasers Society" or possibly,"Storm Chasers
Australia"..I think our organisation should be called "The Australian
Severe Weather Society" not just because our goals should be to better
understand all forms of severe weather, but also because of the potential
stigma that a title containing "storm chasing" is likely to produce.
Such an organisation as ours could potentially attract wide publicity at
times so, for this reason, it is important to create a favourable
impression amongst the public from the beginning, not least for
credibilitys sake. Most people would realise that storm chasing is
dangerous not just for the phenomena associated with violent storms such
as large hail and destructive winds but also for driving in hazardous
weather and being distracted by it. If we are to call ourselves a storm
chasing organisation, it will create the public impression of us as thrill
seekers who take pleasure in risky situations and watching the destructive
power of storms. Many of us love watching a violent storm but it is easy
to forget the devastation it brings to the people in its path. We want to
convey the right message to the public. That is, our purpose is not just
about storm chasing, but storm chasing is a way in which we can learn more
about violent storms and in this way, help people who may be affected by
them. It concerns me that one day, someone calling him or herself a storm
chaser (not necessarily somebody from our society) will be out chasing a
storm that devastates a populated region, the media will find out and the
public will see this "storm chaser" thrilled by a storm that has just
devastated peoples lives. So the public will see that storm chasers have
no care for the people who have been affected. However, if we call
ourselves, the Australian Severe Weather Society, we will be protecting
ourselves in advance against a barrage of hatred and criticism attached to
the title "storm chaser" come such a day.
>From the beginning we should set out a charter. This charter should be
that our organisation exists for the purposes of fostering a greater
understanding of severe weather and the nature of violent storms in order
to help people whose lives are affected by it. As part of that charter,
we should include what duties a storm chaser has to the community. For
example, this could be assisting survivors (eg. First Aid) in the
aftermath of a storm in the absence of properly trained personnel. It
could also mean, as a secondary priority, surveying storm damage when it
is safe to do so in order to help determine what sort of phenomena was
associated with the storm (eg. Tornado, microburst, flash flood etc..).
We should also have a training kit for all new members to our organisation
on how to deal with dangerous situations and also how to provide accurate
reports, avoiding the temptation to exaggerate, especially if are
confronted by the media.
By the same token, in certain situations we should clear out and not visit
storm affected regions. We do not want to be known as "Sightseers"
impeding trained personnel from helping survivors.
With these ideas in mind, we can hopefully convey a positive impression of
our hobby and avoid notoriety. From what I have said, I am definitely not
against storm chasing. What I am concerned about though is that the
excitement about the formation of our society may turn sour one day unless
we lay down some rules today. What do people think?
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Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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From: "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Name for Storm Society...
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Hi Paul,
Just read your missive and couldn't agree more!
As one who initially voted for a 'storm chaser' tag I think that it
could be misused or misapplied.
I've seen enough 'sightseeing ghouls' in my time to know that it's not a
moniker the association would want to be stuck with.
There are lots of safety issues (even simple things like downed power
lines) to worry about without the ambulance chaser mentality.
I realise that BOM investigators sometimes visit the sites of severe
storms but until our association gets that sort of 'scientific'
credibility, it would be a mistake to take things like storm damage
photos too near the time of the event.
I'll vote with the SW tag if asked again.
Yours,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
>Hi everyone,
>Here are some of my thoughts on the new society and what might be
named.
>Although I came along to the meeting when the issue of the societys
name
>was being discussed and agreed to what most people seemed to want, I
have
>had a careful think about some of the implications of calling ourselves
>"The Australian Storm Chasers Society" or possibly,"Storm Chasers
>Australia"..I think our organisation should be called "The Australian
>Severe Weather Society" not just because our goals should be to better
>understand all forms of severe weather, but also because of the
potential
>stigma that a title containing "storm chasing" is likely to produce.
...etc.
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Subject: aussie-weather: THELMA
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:54:48 PST
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Hi every1,
Okay, I'll bite.
I thought that cyclones were given names alphabetically with alternating
male/female names starting with 'A' each season. So how come 'Thelma'?
P.S. I don't lisp but Thelma? I'm pretty sure about this time in 1974
there was a 'Selma' near Darwin and the next cyclone there was 'Tracy'.
Let's hope the next one isn't 'Trathy'. :)
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:06:22 +1100
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi Kevin,
Australia uses a continuous TC name list. Unlike the states that renews
its list each season, the Australian list is continuous. So if the last
TC was called "Michael" even if the next TC is in the next season, it
will be called "Nicole" for example - as it starts with N.
Anthony
Kevin Phyland wrote:
>
> Hi every1,
> Okay, I'll bite.
> I thought that cyclones were given names alphabetically with alternating
> male/female names starting with 'A' each season. So how come 'Thelma'?
>
> P.S. I don't lisp but Thelma? I'm pretty sure about this time in 1974
> there was a 'Selma' near Darwin and the next cyclone there was 'Tracy'.
> Let's hope the next one isn't 'Trathy'. :)
>
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
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From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Hi there!
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:05:02 +1100
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Hi all,
I have just joined the group so g'day to one and all. I look forward
to throwing my two bob's worth in (or is that twenty cents) and hopefully
learn more about the weather along the way.
I am strictly a reasonably new amateur weather watcher so there is plenty of
room for improvement in my knowledge.
I live in Orange in the Central West of NSW.
The night we expected the meteor shower we had an unseasonable hail storm
cutting all the gardens to bits. The rose show was on the Saturday after the
storm. They were down on exhibitors for some strange reason.
People went rushing outside from there slumber to expect to see meteors
falling on their roofs.
I like Australian Storm Chasers for the name of the group. If ASC is to
common then what about ASCS or ASCR?
Terry
dymprog at mpx.com.au
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Hi Anthony,
Okay, I'm prepared to buy that.
So what about 'Billy' and the one before that (which I'm sure started
with 'A')?
Are they under the control of a different met. service?
Yours,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
>Hi Kevin,
>
>Australia uses a continuous TC name list. Unlike the states that
renews
>its list each season, the Australian list is continuous. So if the
last
>TC was called "Michael" even if the next TC is in the next season, it
>will be called "Nicole" for example - as it starts with N.
>
>Anthony
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Also, it depends where the cyclone is born, Australia has 3 seperate name
lists. One of them is for the western region, and the Perth Tropical
Cyclone Warning Centre is responsible for this area, the 2nd region is the
northern one, which covers the waters off the Northern Territory, Darwin is
responsible for this region, and the eastern region is the responsibility
of the Brisbane Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre.
If a cyclone moves from one region to the other within Australia, it will
keep the name, but the responsibility will be transfered to whatever
region the cyclone has moved too. For instance there is a good chance that
Thelma will move into WA waters, if this occurs, the Perth office will take
over from the Darwin office in tracking the cyclone.
Jacob
At 06:06 PM 06-12-98 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Kevin,
>
>Australia uses a continuous TC name list. Unlike the states that renews
>its list each season, the Australian list is continuous. So if the last
>TC was called "Michael" even if the next TC is in the next season, it
>will be called "Nicole" for example - as it starts with N.
>
>Anthony
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:46:52 +1100
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Hi Kevin,
To my knowledge, TC Zelia formed in around October I *think*, that was
named in Australian waters (it was near Christmas Island if my memory
serves me correct) TC Allison formed after this, and then the recent TC
Billy formed. As Jacob said - it also depends on what warning zone, as
each warning zone has a different name list (IMO Australia should just
have one, but that's what was decided a long time ago).
Anthony
Kevin Phyland wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony,
> Okay, I'm prepared to buy that.
> So what about 'Billy' and the one before that (which I'm sure started
> with 'A')?
> Are they under the control of a different met. service?
>
> Yours,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
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From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: That name again
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:54:03 +1100
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Hi Kevin,
After reading your letter I have had second thoughts on
Australian Storm Chasers. I can see the points made by Paul and yourself.
What about something like Australian Weather Phenomena Investigation
Society (AWPIS) or Australian Weather Investigation Society (AWIS)?
Terry
dymprog at mpx.com.au
-----Part of Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Phyland
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Sunday, 6 December 1998 18:45
>Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Name for Storm Society...
>
>Hi Paul,
>Just read your missive and couldn't agree more!
>As one who initially voted for a 'storm chaser' tag I think that it
>could be misused or misapplied.
>I've seen enough 'sightseeing ghouls' in my time to know that it's not a
>moniker the association would want to be stuck with.
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 98 21:15:19 +1000
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>With these ideas in mind, we can hopefully convey a positive impression of
>our hobby and avoid notoriety. From what I have said, I am definitely not
>against storm chasing. What I am concerned about though is that the
>excitement about the formation of our society may turn sour one day unless
>we lay down some rules today. What do people think?
I tend to agree Paul - what you have said pretty well summarises my
concerns over a name bearing the term 'storm-chaser' however groovy it
sounds. While at this early stage this might seem all too pedantic, the
issues such as those raised by Paul are very real problems in the US
midwest and, in all likelihood, will be experienced here someday in the
future. So lets all think carefully and not underestimate the potential
implications of something seemingly so trivial as a name.
There4
After consideration (sorry Matt) I will also support the push for "*
Australian Severe Weather *".
David C
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Name for Storm Society...
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:19:29 +1100
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I must say I agree with Graham on this, many of the people who participate
on this board are interested in other kinds of weather , tropical cyclones,
freak snowfalls, fires, etc, etc.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Graham
>To: Aussie Weather
>Date: Sunday, 6 December 1998 18:06
>Subject: aussie-weather: Name for Storm Society...
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>Here are some of my thoughts on the new society and what might be named.
>Although I came along to the meeting when the issue of the societys name
>was being discussed and agreed to what most people seemed to want, I have
>had a careful think about some of the implications of calling ourselves
>"The Australian Storm Chasers Society" or possibly,"Storm Chasers
>Australia".
[snip]
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Severe Weather Report Form...
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:13:48 +1100
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Hi Graham
I think it is a great idea, it sure helps to have as much info as possible.
The free comments space is necessary. I got a bit worried until I found it.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Graham
>To: Aussie Weather
>Date: Sunday, 6 December 1998 13:09
>Subject: aussie-weather: Severe Weather Report Form...
>
>
>Hello everyone,
> Over the past couple of days I have been working on an internet
>storm report form. I have put it at:
>
>http://hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au/~m3052695/storm_report/
>
>What do people think? Please suggest any possible improvements. This is
>an e-mail implementation and I still have to write some code for decoding
>the results. At some stage, a CGI implementation can be put together with
>the results sent straight into a database...
>Cheers,
> Paul G.
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I agree - I think it is very good, and it prompts people's minds as
well, as they may have forgotten they saw something, but this form asks
everything!
Anthony
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi Graham
>
> I think it is a great idea, it sure helps to have as much info as possible.
>
> The free comments space is necessary. I got a bit worried until I found it.
>
> Michael
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:08:47 +1100
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
I know that some one before suggested the name ASW - Australian Severe
Weather, which is basically the site which we have now! I think that
this is a good name, and also a while back, some one mentioned Storm
News being incorporated into the society. I think that this is another
great suggestion! But I certainly agree with Paul about the name.
Anthony
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From: "Ben Quinn" [Bodie at corplink.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: THELMA
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:12:23 +1100
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>Hi Anthony,
>Okay, I'm prepared to buy that.
>So what about 'Billy' and the one before that (which I'm sure started
>with 'A')?
>Are they under the control of a different met. service?
>
>Yours,
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/meteorology/storms-faq/part1.html
Here you can find a list of names used for tropical cylones in Australia
kevin.
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:52:33 +0800
From: Ira [jra at upnaway.com]
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Theres been alot of talk about what this society is to be called. I
was about to write a letter when i read Paul grahams below. Paul you
must have read my mind word for word. I agree 100% with what he has
said. every point made was very valid. We must avoid at all costs the
"gun Hoe" type attitude seen in the US. This storm chasing buisness is
VERY VERY VERY serious stuff. Anyone whos been caught out by a rear
flank downdraught with wind that will turn your car around knows what i
mean. To those who dont know i cannot stress how dangerous storm chasing
can be. This is mother nature at its most awesome, lets not forget that.
Storms will kill you. We must be very very careful to maintain
credibiliy. I would give serious thought about joining anything with
"storms chasers" in it, not that I matter on the whole scale of things.
We are chasers, we know that, what we must think of is the public s
perception of us. With education as one of our goals this is important.
Ira Fehlberg
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