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001 "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] Howdy all!
002 "Andrew Treloar" [pileus at hotmail.com] Media & Weather
003 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Media & Weather
004 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Media & Weather
005 "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] Media & Weather
006 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Media & Weather
007 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Violent Tornadoes in Australia...
008 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Current Sydney WX...
009 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Sydney WX Update...
010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Potential hot weather in Melbourne
011 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Localised Flooding in Sydney??
012 "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] Taree Weather
013 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Radar Coverage...
014 Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au] Sydney WX Update...
015 "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] Taree Weather
016 "dpn" [dpn at bigpond.com] Warm Humid in Melbourne
017 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Lifted Index
018 "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] Lifted Index
019 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Lifted Index and what do you mean by it??
020 Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at redback.cobwe Adelaide possibilities
021 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Fw: Storm Situation.. correction for rain at Schofields
022 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Severe TS advice issued for N and E Victoria
023 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Severe TS advice issued for N and E Victoria
024 Patrick Tobin [pdtobin at mail.act.apana.org.au] Canberra Storms 1/1
025 Patrick Tobin [pdtobin at mail.act.apana.org.au] Canberra storm 1/1 - prelim report
026 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Todays weather
027 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au] Canberra storm 1/1 - prelim report
028 "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Storm to N of Schofields 6:10pm
029 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Storm to N of Schofields 6:10pm
030 mildad [mildad at one.net.au] (no subject)
031 "Grant Boyden" [boyden at zeta.org.au] Re: 1/1 cancelled chase
032 disarm at braenet.com.au this and that
033 "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au] weather chn.
034 "dpn" [dpn at bigpond.com] Storms E of Melbourne
035 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] E-mails please...
036 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Storm Chase
037 "Patrick Tobin" [pdtobin at hotmail.com] Canberra storm 1/1 - prelim report
038 Ben Munro [benjamin at biosys.net] Sydney WX Update...
039 "Grant Boyden" [boyden at zeta.org.au] Storm Chase
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From: "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Howdy all!
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:34:36 +1100
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Howdy all! Anything interesting happening round the country? I see that the
gulf area is being hammered with rain, (some places have had 280mm +)
Paul from Taree
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From: "Andrew Treloar" [pileus at hotmail.com]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Media & Weather
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:42:23 PST
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John,
I have attached the Severe Thunderstorm Advice issued by the BOM at 1311
(1:11pm) on 18 December 1998 which covers the Ballina area (Northern
Rivers). This gives over 5 hours leadtime on the severe storm through
Ballina. This advice was updated at 1554. You seem to have missed the
point of the constructive discussion of late.
Andrew
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1311 on Friday the 18th of December 1998
AMENDED ADVICE
This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
Northern Rivers
Northern Tablelands
Mid-North Coast
Northwest Slopes
Hunter, north west of a line Putty, Singleton and Gloucester.
Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area during the afternoon
and
evening.
Some of these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones,
destructive winds and very heavy rainfall.
The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people
should:
* put vehicles under cover .
* move indoors away from windows
During and after storms people should:
* take extreme care when driving
* beware of fallen trees and power lines
* keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away
>Helloooooooo.....
>
>I was going thru my email today (31/12), & I agree 100% with Paul about
the
>media & BoM not giving warnings about the storm that came thru Yamba,
>Evan's Head & points North.
>SURELY there was SOMEONE in the BoM looking at the radar when the storm
>changed direction & headed north. Even if we had 5mins warning it would
have
>been better than what we got(! at #$&%$ nothing!!!!!!!!)
>I think the BoM & the media should pull their collactive fingers OUT of
>their backsides & get together to try & give warnings when severe
storms
>are around & which way they are heading.
>That's my 2bob's worth, if anyone thinks I'm wrong, LET ME KNOW!!!!!
>On another note, thanx to Michael for taking me out on the chase
>yesterday.....it was good to get some pointers on what to look for in
storms
>(but I still think he scared them off!!!!!!!!!!).
>I'm linked up with ICQ so if anyone wants to talk online when I'm on,
my
>ICQ no. is 25440353.
>O.K, I' ve goota go, it's to see some one has bought up the problems
about
>the media etc. about storm warnings.
> John from Ballina
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003
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:06:59 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
To really be honest - as much as I often sit here and degrade the BoM
about warnings - they generally do the best that they can do. They
aren't funded adequetely enough to have more reporting and obs. stations
around Australia - in America these would be the stations to make visual
observations of the situation. All the BoM has is radar, what must be
remembered is the storm forms well before it is picked up on radar,
radar only pics up precipitation. Also, one cannot forecast accurate
warnings on radar alone. It's a useful tool, but when it really comes
down to it - it's the observation that's the key tool in severe
thunderstorm warnings. We often say that "America gets so many
warnings..." if you eliminate the funding issue, then you have one major
difference between Australia and America - that is that in America,
there are hundreds of storm chasers out on the road that relay
information back to the NWS (National Weather Service ) about storm structure and what the storm is doing.
I think a classic example of wx stations needed was the Nov 24 Caloundra
tornado in QLD. Upon talking to Jeff Calaghan (head of QLD severe wx)
he was saying that on radar, the storms were actually looking fairly
weak, and if it wasn't for their new AWS there (Automatic Wx Station)
they would have cancelled the warnings!
In my opinion, the BoM is doing quite well with warnings given it's
current funding level and lack of observations. Certainly, this is what
ASWA hopes to achieve...better warning times through better observations
and increase further our understanding for these majestic and awesome,
yet destructive beasts.
Anthony Cornelius
Andrew Treloar wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I have attached the Severe Thunderstorm Advice issued by the BOM at 1311
> (1:11pm) on 18 December 1998 which covers the Ballina area (Northern
> Rivers). This gives over 5 hours leadtime on the severe storm through
> Ballina. This advice was updated at 1554. You seem to have missed the
> point of the constructive discussion of late.
>
> Andrew
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Media & Weather, Jimmy's view
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:08:44 +1100
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I agree Andrew. This was issued very early int he day as I recall. Paul
Mossman suggested so. I think there has been too much confusion of late as
to this particular debate as to media versus BOM. I think all parties are
doing the best that they could. Unfortunately, the minority can cause
problems which are picked out. From my experience, the only concern and this
is only a minor concern is when a radio annoncer would read out a warning
and then try and play it down by suggesting it was a nice day, can't see any
storms, let's hope it doesn't come here and so on. But most and close to all
play well by the deal. What happened up in the north coast is a very unusual
situation. Perhaps the radio announcer did not issue the warning or
whatever, but I think any fool should have known that when the storm was
rolling in, it was time to go. Regardless of the advices. warnings and
forecasts whatever, I believe it is then up to the indivual to try and
understand just a little more about the weather themselves. they don't have
to be experts but just a little understanding and they can take the
necessary precautions. they can listen to any advices if they wish.
Unfortunately in some cases, out of the linitations of the Bureau, the
warnings may not be in time for the absolute immediate communities, ie where
the storms begin. But in the case of the Ballina area, the forecasts and
warnings were issued well beyond. It was written all over the sky that
something was going to happen. I think this was the most prewarned advice
this sason (am I correct Andrew??).
I think this debate has been very confused with people answering to messages
at the various times and not reading all the e-mails. Please read all
e-mails in this case as it will make al lot of difference. I think it is
wise not to comment unless you have the full story. I suppose I should not
discourage such debate but I do encourage some people to be choosy in the
way they approach some of the serious issues.
Jimmy Deguara
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>From: Anedrew Treloar
>To:
>Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 10:42 AM
>Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Media & Weather
>
>
>John,
>
>I have attached the Severe Thunderstorm Advice issued by the BOM at 1311
>(1:11pm) on 18 December 1998 which covers the Ballina area (Northern
>Rivers). This gives over 5 hours leadtime on the severe storm through
>Ballina. This advice was updated at 1554. You seem to have missed the
>point of the constructive discussion of late.
>
>Andrew
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:27:10 +1100
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Well said Jimmy. I think that the debate has been lost somewhat. My concern
is the delivery of the warnings. Even the BOM supports this with their
survey telling them that only 20% of people received them. Thats what my
concerns primarily is. How the information is distributed.
Paul
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006
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Media & Weather
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:28 +1100 (EST)
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>
> Hi all,
>
> To really be honest - as much as I often sit here and degrade the BoM
> about warnings - they generally do the best that they can do. They
> aren't funded adequetely enough to have more reporting and obs. stations
> around Australia - in America these would be the stations to make visual
> observations of the situation. All the BoM has is radar, what must be
> remembered is the storm forms well before it is picked up on radar,
> radar only pics up precipitation. Also, one cannot forecast accurate
> warnings on radar alone. It's a useful tool, but when it really comes
> down to it - it's the observation that's the key tool in severe
> thunderstorm warnings. We often say that "America gets so many
> warnings..." if you eliminate the funding issue, then you have one major
> difference between Australia and America - that is that in America,
> there are hundreds of storm chasers out on the road that relay
> information back to the NWS (National Weather Service BoM>) about storm structure and what the storm is doing.
Also worth noting here that the radar coverage is patchy in places
because of topography - Hobart, for example, is nominally in a radar
footprint but in practice has no coverage worth of the name because
of the mountains getting in the way. I imagine the same applies in
some east coastal areas. The US Midwest, of course, is very flat.
One of the issues with communicating warnings is the time lag. In
Melbourne, most radio stations do communicate severe thunderstorm
warnings, but not usually until the next scheduled news bulletin, up
to an hour later. Sometimes (as with the Yamba storm) an hour is far
too long. In the country/at night/at weekends, when a lot of
programming is networked, I imagine it is considerably worse.
(Grant - are you able to comment on the ability of local stations
to break into network programming?)
The Americans don't muck around with their warnings - of course, they
have far more experience of loss of life and severe damage from
thunderstorms than we do, which helps in getting people (and the
media) to take warnings seriously. As with a lot of things, I fear
it is going to take a major disaster to get the matter taken seriously
- contrast the situation with severe storms with the seriousness with
which tropical cyclone warnings are taken in northern Australia.
(A historical footnote: today is the 29th anniversary of the
Bulahdelah tornado, the only F4-5 known in Australia - and one that
would have levelled any populated area had it hit one instead of
flattening part of a state forest).
Blair Trewin
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:33:14 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Violent Tornadoes in Australia...
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> (A historical footnote: today is the 29th anniversary of the
> Bulahdelah tornado, the only F4-5 known in Australia - and one that
> would have levelled any populated area had it hit one instead of
> flattening part of a state forest).
Hi Blair and everyone - Happy New Year,
I believe there have been some other cases of F4 or F5 strength
tornadoes: James Chambers (on this list) reported the QLD BoM rating the
November 1992 Bucca tornado as possibly being of F4 intensity. David
Seargent (Willy Willies and Cock Eyed Bobs, Tornadoes in Australia) talks
of the 19 Sept., 1959 Tuggerah Lakes tornado as possibly being of F4
intensity. He also mentioned a tornado which occured on October 8, 1932
in the Manilla District of NSW as an F4 candidate. The Bureau of
Meterology's report on the November 1989 Elsmore and Ben Lomond tornadoes
(northern NSW) suggests an F3 rating for one of the tornadoes but also
suggests that it may have been more intense (F4/F5) since it moved mainly
across bare land and the Fuijita scale is mainly based on the extent of
damage to buildings and trees.
- Paul G.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:34:49 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Very heavy rain here in North Ryde - I think I just heard some thunder..
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:38:54 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Sydney WX Update...
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Current weather in North Ryde, Sydney: thunderstorm with heavy rain. -
Paul G.
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Paul Graham
paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aussie-weather: Potential hot weather in Melbourne
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All the models are suggesting some seriously warm weather in
Melbourne in the first half of next week - thicknesses Monday/Tuesday
next week peak around 574-579, depending on the model - this could
well mean close to or over 40.
Also looks like quite a lot of rain with the change, whenever it
happens (the ECMWF bring it through on Tuesday, the Bureau and UKMO
on Wednesday).
By the way, Burketown's 3-day storm total is up to 559mm.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:44:07 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Localised Flooding in Sydney??
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I'm not sure what the rainfall rate is here in North Ryde, but if it goes
on like this for much longer there could be some localised flooding...
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Taree Weather
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:48:03 +1100
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Hey Paul.
Here it is 28,5c, light Northerly blowing, baro 1018, humidity 65% quite
sticky.
wish we would get sumthin!!!!
Paul from Taree
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:59:13 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Hi everyone,
Following on from what Blair was saying about topography affecting
the Hobart radar, don't forget that coverage of thunderstorms may only be
useful for up to 500Km away from the radar site and that if there are
heavy showers or thunderstorms within the vicinity of the radar site, it
will be harder to detect precipitation further away. This is because most
of the energy will have been reflected the precipitation that is closer to
the radar site.
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:07:44 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham [pgraham1 at mail.usyd.edu.au]
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Hi everyone,
I can still here a fair bit of thunder but the heavy rain has
turned to drizzle now.
- Paul G.
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Paul Graham
paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au
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From: "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Taree Weather
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:08:49 +1100
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Further to what Paul G was saying, heres Sydneys METARS:
METARAWS YSSY 0130Z 07009G13KT 9999 1ST015 3SC040 5SC070 24.2/19.6
Q1018.3 RMK RF00.0/000.2 CLD:SCT016 BKN039 OVC070 VIS:9999 CB TOPS TO
NW TTF:INTER 0230/0430 5000 SHRA SCT010 BKN030
Notice the CB tops to the NW of Mascot.
Paul.
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From: "dpn" [dpn at bigpond.com]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Warm Humid in Melbourne
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:15:07 +1100
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Happy New Year to everyone. Currently 26c Dew pt 16c. 1/8 TCu to North and
NE. Should develop into storms in the next few hours. But only over the
ranges. Any one in Melbourne wanting to catch a storm should head towards
Marysville or Warburton. Dane.Kilsyth (Melbourne) 2.15pm
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Lifted Index
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:37:32 +1100
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David Croan and myself have discussed over the last few days why about the
LI. We could not understand what was going on about. Now we know.
Jimmy
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Jimmy Deguara
Vice President ASWA
from Schofields, Sydney
e-mail: jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
homepage with Michael Bath
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/
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From: "paulmoss" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Lifted Index
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:49:44 +1100
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Umm Jimmy what are u talking about? hehehehehe
Paul
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jimmy Deguara
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Friday, 1 January 1999 2:46 PM
>Subject: aussie-weather: Lifted Index
>
>
>David Croan and myself have discussed over the last few days why about the
>LI. We could not understand what was going on about. Now we know.
>
>Jimmy
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Lifted Index and what do you mean by it??
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:51:21 +1100
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Check out the link and you will find out Paul.
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/links/ozcharts.htm
Follow the instructions under the heading
Climate, Weather Analyses, Weather Forecasts from NOAA
my explanation is in the "here" section
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>From: paulmoss
>To:
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>Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Lifted Index
>
>
>Umm Jimmy what are u talking about? hehehehehe
>
>Paul
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:21:05 +0930
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From: Phil Bagust [mail.cobweb.com.au at redback.cobweb.com.au]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Adelaide possibilities
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Happy New Year to all - I know my head still hurts.
Just heard the extended forecast for SA.
Good news! A tropical incursion courtesy of that depression in the Gulf of
Carpentaria means rising moisture levels and storms for Sun, Mon and Tues.
After (literaly) months of waiting, a chase of sorts could be on....
+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
+ Phil 'Paisley' Bagust + 'Nothing matters anymore... +
+ Uni of SA Magill Campus + Not even the fact +
+ paisley at cobweb.com.au + That nothing matters...' +
+ http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley + LAWRENCE GROSSBERG +
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Fw: Storm Situation.. correction for rain at Schofields
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:55:00 +1100
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It was still raining so I hadn't got a good look of the rain gauge. In
total, we received 45.4mm mostly in I would say at least 30 to 35mm fell in
30 minutes although light to moderate rain continued for some time.
This is massive for Schofields. A good start to the year. This is in a way
the first severe event as it came from a thunderstorm with tiny hail and
wind gusts. The storm moved in from the NE but mainly developed overhead.
There are still some large cu and cumulonimbus developing to the NE and some
to the SE and E. Some more rain I'm afraid.
Jimmy
----- Original Message -----
>From: Jimmy Deguara
>To: Paul Graham
>Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:35 PM
>Subject: Re: Storm Situation..
>
>
>Jimmy here,
>
>Here in Schofields. I was cut off around 3:10pm by lightning and brief
>blackout or fadeout. We have had very heavy rain with 40 to 100mm of rain
>around Schofields on the radar. We even received some light hail around
>3:15pm. Some brief downbursts but not severe. The rain lasted around 20
>minutes very heavy and is now decreasing. We received just over 20mm
>mostly
>in 15 - 20 minutes. At times the rain was very heavy. This is the heaviest
>rain since April.
>
>Jimmy
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aussie-weather: Severe TS advice issued for N and E Victoria
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:17:59 +1100 (EST)
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A severe thunderstorm advice has been issued for the Northeast,
North Central, Alpine and Gippsland regions of Victoria - which
means basically everything east of the Hume Highway (except for the
Melbourne area).
There looks to be a bt of development to the east but it's too hazy to
see much from central Melbourne.
Radar shows a cluster somewhere around Benalla and more in a band
through Omeo.
Blair Trewin
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Severe TS advice issued for N and E Victoria
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:27:56 +1100
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Jimmy here.
Yes, we were going to chase down there today. David, never mind. It still
wasn't worth the rsik of travelling so far.
Jimmy
----- Original Message -----
>From: Blair Trewin
>To: Aussie Weather
>Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 4:17 PM
>Subject: aussie-weather: Severe TS advice issued for N and E Victoria
>
>
>A severe thunderstorm advice has been issued for the Northeast,
>North Central, Alpine and Gippsland regions of Victoria - which
>means basically everything east of the Hume Highway (except for the
>Melbourne area).
>
>There looks to be a bt of development to the east but it's too hazy to
>see much from central Melbourne.
>
>Radar shows a cluster somewhere around Benalla and more in a band
>through Omeo.
>
>Blair Trewin
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:43:49 -0800
From: Patrick Tobin [pdtobin at mail.act.apana.org.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Canberra Storms 1/1
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Hi all - some very thought provoking discussion over the last
couple of days. Great to see the list being used for this.
Canberra is about to collect some interesting wx - although
not totally clear how it will be manifested. We have a some storms
to the S and SW with low level outflows pushing to the east.
Congestus is moving from east to the west and being pushed up
by the low level outflow.
To complicate matters the rain band from the Qld upper disturbance is
just to the N and moving S. It looks like it will arrive overhead
at about the same time as the storms. For once moisture levels are
not too bad (DP around 14).
Time for me to log off - Patrick
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:15:00 -0800
From: Patrick Tobin [pdtobin at mail.act.apana.org.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Canberra storm 1/1 - prelim report
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Hello again,
I have to go out (social commitment) so a quick report.
Cu developing overhead from about 4.30pm EDT, rotation observed of base which included
lowering (but no funnel type cloud observed) with precipitation core still to develop.
About 4.50 precipitation commenced one or two very large rain drops which
almost immediately became marble sized hail. Hail continued for
around 10 min and resulted in a complete cover of 1-2cm. 25mm measured
in rain guage, temp dropped from 28 to 19.
Winds of around 30-40km just before precipitation commenced.
Severe part of storm lasted about 15min. Storm continuing at 5.30pm -
many patches of hail still lingering.
An interesting afternoon,
Patrick
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 05:46:50 +1100
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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1. Had report of heavy hail and intense rain in Canberra (Holt) around 5
pm.... Any confirming repors available ??
2. Heavy storm with hail on Hume H'way betweeen Berrima and Marulen at
4.30 pm - anyone know more ?
3. St Ives -Sydney - 70 mm+ between 7.30 am and noon. Frenchs Forest - 4
km to SE - 1 mm
Don White
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 06:00:03 +1100
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Patrick.... where abouts in Canberra are you and what was your total
rain from the storm?
Cheers
Don White
Patrick Tobin wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>
> I have to go out (social commitment) so a quick report.
>
> Cu developing overhead from about 4.30pm EDT, rotation observed of base which included
> lowering (but no funnel type cloud observed) with precipitation core still to develop.
>
> About 4.50 precipitation commenced one or two very large rain drops which
> almost immediately became marble sized hail. Hail continued for
> around 10 min and resulted in a complete cover of 1-2cm. 25mm measured
> in rain guage, temp dropped from 28 to 19.
>
> Winds of around 30-40km just before precipitation commenced.
>
> Severe part of storm lasted about 15min. Storm continuing at 5.30pm -
> many patches of hail still lingering.
>
> An interesting afternoon,
>
> Patrick
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aussie-weather: Storm to N of Schofields 6:10pm
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:16:32 +1100
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A storm to the North of Schofields has exploded write through the high cloud
level. Most definitely, this will be hail and heavy rain productive.
Probably around the Wollombi area or lower Hunter Near Singleton from what I
can tell.
We are on a chase tomorrow wherever the action is. A complete turn around.
There is moisture inland which was not the case on the last storm chase.
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Jimmy Deguara
Vice President ASWA
from Schofields, Sydney
e-mail: jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
homepage with Michael Bath
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From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Storm to N of Schofields 6:10pm
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:33:05 +1100
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Hi Jimmy,
I can see that storm from here and it looks great. I was down near
Schofields today and heard a couple of bits of thunder at about 3pm. Saw
plenty of water lying around. At my place I have received about 7mm from a
heavy shower at around 2 pm. Where do you think you will chase tomorrow as I
would be available to go.
Matthew Piper
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jimmy Deguara
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Friday, 1 January 1999 18:20
>Subject: aussie-weather: Storm to N of Schofields 6:10pm
>
>
>A storm to the North of Schofields has exploded write through the high
>cloud
>level. Most definitely, this will be hail and heavy rain productive.
>Probably around the Wollombi area or lower Hunter Near Singleton from what
>I can tell.
>
>We are on a chase tomorrow wherever the action is. A complete turn around.
>There is moisture inland which was not the case on the last storm chase.
>Jimmy Deguara
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Subject: aussie-weather: Re: 1/1 cancelled chase
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 20:33:38 +1000
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Hi everyone and happy new year to you all.
Our proposed target area for a chase today was Albury and this would
probably have put us in touch with the Vic advice area. but given that it
was new years day, not to mention our previous 800 km semi-bust a week
back I (we) was a bit reluctant to head off all that way. Looks like
tomorrow that action will be closer to home - actually from the reports I
have just read it was closer than expected today anyway with good storms
in Canberra, Southern tablelands and Sydney. I heard some infrequent
thunder here in Beacon Hill this morning but I dismissed it as embedded
thundery shower stuff - Seems like it was much more. Also I watched a
decent looking cell to the North, probably central coast-ish, at about
6:00pm and was picking up quite a bit of lightning on the am radio.
Looking forward to tomorrows chase.
Regards
David
>Yes, we were going to chase down there today. David, never mind. It still
>wasn't worth the rsik of travelling so far.
>Jimmy
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From: "Grant Boyden" [boyden at zeta.org.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Re: 1/1 cancelled chase
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:51:29 +1100
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Hi mildad,
If Sydney is a good target tomorrow I'll chase. let me know what your up to
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> From:
> To: aussie-weather
> Subject: aussie-weather: Re: 1/1 cancelled chase
> Date: Friday, 1 January 1999 21:33
>
> Hi everyone and happy new year to you all.
>
> Our proposed target area for a chase today was Albury and this would
> probably have put us in touch with the Vic advice area. but given that it
> was new years day, not to mention our previous 800 km semi-bust a week
> back I (we) was a bit reluctant to head off all that way. Looks like
> tomorrow that action will be closer to home - actually from the reports I
> have just read it was closer than expected today anyway with good storms
> in Canberra, Southern tablelands and Sydney. I heard some infrequent
> thunder here in Beacon Hill this morning but I dismissed it as embedded
> thundery shower stuff - Seems like it was much more. Also I watched a
> decent looking cell to the North, probably central coast-ish, at about
> 6:00pm and was picking up quite a bit of lightning on the am radio.
>
> Looking forward to tomorrows chase.
>
> Regards
>
>
> David
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From: disarm at braenet.com.au
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Well i was up all night, had 2 hours sleep and was at work from 12-8pm. one
very heavy shower around 12.30 or so (dont quote me)
in the concord area, and apart from that nothing at all to mention. it
dried up and never rained again, interesting that just a few K's away Paul
G was hearing a storm.. and that there was action to the west! i couldnt
believe it when i read the messages on the list just then. I also observed
some large cu/tcu at approx 7am over the coast off sydney, but its all
really a blur now..
And to top off the new year, my car broke down 1 block away from my house,
and i need a new alternator *sigh* .. being stuck inside with all these
storms going on is depressing.
Also i cannot attend the chase tomorrow, another 12-8 shift.. hope you guys
get some great storms, and be careful!
Matt S.
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au]
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Subject: aussie-weather: weather chn.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:35:58 +1100
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Howdy Folks,
It's good to see that the weather chn. is up & running. But does this mean
that we'll actually get severe storm warnings now.....or are we still going
to be treated like mushrooms.......(kept in the dark & fed bullshit)......
It's worth a thought...........
Happy New Year to everybody.........how many of you ended up with a "slight"
headache this morning?????????
See Ya's
John
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From: "dpn" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aussie-weather: Storms E of Melbourne
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:22:58 +1100
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TCu and Cb to the NE of here (Kilsyth) all afternoon still some receeding
Cb to the far NE with the occasional distant lightning flash. Looks good
for similar activity tomorrow. Dane (Melbourne.)
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Subject: aussie-weather: E-mails please...
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Hi Jimmy here.
I have just updated to Eudora Pro. In the process reorganising files from
Internet Explorer, I lost messages from 31 to the today. Could I please ask
everyone who sent me messages from 31st December later afternoon and today
please resend them if possible. Thanks. I like to have a profile of the
messages I have sent. Only from the time and date suggested. Thanks.
Thanks Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:46:55 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aussie-weather: Storm Chase
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Hi Everyone. We are planning to chase. We will reassess the situation
tomorrow morning. Matthew Piper, please contact me on e-mail asap.
If you wish Matthew, you will have to come down by train to Schofields. You
must be prepared for overnight stay at the destination if things get too
late. It is up to anyone else what they prefer to do if they tag along on
this chase.
Lightning on the mtns at the moment.
Jimmy Deguara
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From: "Patrick Tobin" [pdtobin at hotmail.com]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Canberra storm 1/1 - prelim report
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 03:56:34 PST
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Hello Don,
I am in Higgins - West Belconnen which is the suburb next to Holt.
Total rain recorded was 25.6mm most of which fell in an intense period
between 5.00pm and 5.10pm (with most of that as marble sized hail). We
also had a number of very close CG strokes (about 10) within a 1km
radius mostly during the intense period.
After having gone out, it was clear how localised this particular storm
was. The area around Commonwealth Avenue Bridge going over Lake Burley
Griffin had no rain at all.
Many other parts of Canberra ended up receiving less intense rain from
storms which lingered through to around 8.00pm.
Regards,
Patrick
PS Notice that most of eastern Vic is still covered by a severe storm
advice issued at 9.32pm until 11.30 pm. Satellite pictures indicate
activity still to the west of Canberra (at 10.00pm).
>
>Patrick.... where abouts in Canberra are you and what was your total
>rain from the storm?
>Cheers
>Don White
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>Hi everyone,
> I can still here a fair bit of thunder but the heavy rain has
>turned to drizzle now.
>- Paul G.
>----------------------------
>Paul Graham
>paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au
>----------------------------
I didn't get any rain today, and I'm not too far from North Ryde
(Cherrybrook, to the NW). But I did hear rumbling thunder for a while every
5-10 minutes around midday.
Also, my total rainfall for 1998 was 1545mm, the second highest i have
recorded since i started in 1990. The highest was about 1580mm in 1990, if
I remember correctly.
Also, for December; average minimum temp: 16.6, av. max: 28.6
Ben Munro
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From: "Grant Boyden" [boyden at zeta.org.au]
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Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Storm Chase
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:31:01 +1100
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I'm in jimmy Let me know what the stroy is and I'll chase
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Grant Boyden
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> From: Jimmy Deguara
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aussie-weather: Storm Chase
> Date: Friday, 1 January 1999 22:46
>
> Hi Everyone. We are planning to chase. We will reassess the situation
> tomorrow morning. Matthew Piper, please contact me on e-mail asap.
>
> If you wish Matthew, you will have to come down by train to Schofields.
You
> must be prepared for overnight stay at the destination if things get too
> late. It is up to anyone else what they prefer to do if they tag along on
> this chase.
>
> Lightning on the mtns at the moment.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
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