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001 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] Interesting Eyewitness Account of the Dec (18?) devastating
002 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] need advice
003 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
004 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Admin: need advice (an answer)
005 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Severe Weather Warning
006 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Mary River flood warning
007 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Severe Weather Warning
008 David Hart [dhart at world.std.com] Admin: need advice (an answer)
009 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Flood Warning for north of Brisbane
010 "Daniel Weatherhead" [dpw14 at hotmail.com] Blue mounatins
011 David Hart [dhart at world.std.com] Administrivia: Aussie-weather digest
012 "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au] Blue mounatins
013 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Admin: need advice (an answer)
014 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Meeting Sat 13/02/99
015 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Orange Weather
016 David Hart [dhart at world.std.com] Admin: need advice (an answer)
017 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Administrivia: Aussie-weather digest
018 steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au] solar eclipse
019 David Hart [dhart at world.std.com] Administrivia: Aussie-weather digest
020 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Admin: need advice (an answer)
021 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Orange Weather
022 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Orange Weather
023 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Severe Weather Warning
024 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Brisbane Floods
025 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Orange Weather.
026 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com] ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
027 "truffles at xenon.net" [truffles at xenon.net] Brisbane Floods
028 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
029 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
030 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] An interesting trend?
031 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Possible Major Brisbane Flooding
032 "dpn" [dpn at bigpond.com] Cold Morning In Victoria
033 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
034 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
035 "bonzo" [bonzo at mpx.com.au] sending messages
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001
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Interesting Eyewitness Account of the Dec (18?) devastating t'storm that went through NE NSW.
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 99 08:27:36 PST
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Can't - the Secret Family Recipe, handed down from generation to
generation was burnt in the bushfire!
Kill this tangent to the thread?
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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> You should take out a patent for fire retardant chemicals...
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002
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: need advice
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 99 08:56:34 PST
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Hello everyone - I feel sure someone cleverer than I am will solve this
minor problem for me.
I spend a couple of nights each week away from home, so when I return
there will be mails from the last 2 or 3 days.
Sometimes a few mails will refer to 'now' conditions or phenomena. My
problem is that I don't know when 'now' is. The only time and/or date
I have is that which appears in my Inbox when I access my mail.
I am quite happy to acknowledge that this may be due to my lack of skill
- which is why I have asked for advice on the list.
I am operating my Internet on a budget account and the mail is Microsoft
Internet Mail - both no frills operations that suit me fine - but I would
like to know if there is a way I can ascertain when a message was sent -
or alternatively, ask people referring to NOW events to identify day and time.
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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003
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:46:22 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aussie-weather: Snow (was: Suprise Adelaide Chase)
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> G'day Phil,
>
> I accidently replied to Blair I think about the snow questions at 1100
> metres instead of you. I saw his reply to your message and answered it
> before I saw yours. There's some good info in the one to blair, check it
> out. Our snow bliizard last year was insane. Winds peaked at around 100
> k's and we had very low visibilty with around 2-3 inches of snow. Next
> day there was snow everywhere. It stayed on the ground in drifts for two
> days.
>From a fellow snow-freak: I was interested in your record of the
4/7/1900 snow storm in the Blue Mountains since it might correllate
with one extreme account quoted in Bernard O'Reilly's book "Green
Mountains and Cullenbenong" where up to 1m of snow (on ground) was
reported at Mt. Victoria/ Blackheath and up to 0.5m in Hartley Valley
(is that the valley accessible from Shipley Plateau?). The O'Reilly
family operated a property in the valley when Bernard was a boy. The
thing which might shoot this down is the time period that original
train services known as "The Fish" and "The Chips" operated since it
was visit to the O'Reilly's by an uncle that was delayed by
significant snow on the track.
As a technical aside, snow depth on ground and preciptation amount
often don't correllate the same. The amount of snow that accumulates
is a function of packing density and water content. To give you an
idea, fresh Aussie snow in Perisher Valley accumulates at an average
rate of 1cm for each 1mm of precipitation recorded. In contrast, at
Snowbird, Utah USA, 5cm of their divine "powder" is the average for
each 1mm recorded. The effect of this, as all skiers who have
experienced both will testify, is quite different. There have been
some very rare occasions when I have experienced conditions almost
like a Snowbird powder day in Perisher, but they are rare since the
snow needs to fall in very light winds at the right humidity just
above and temperature (-10C to -5C at 1800m with 100% RH between 2100m
and 5000m an very cold conditions <-40C 5500m aloft). As for
Blackheath snow, I'd say that when it packs, it packs. That means
quite dense snow on average.
Michael Scollay
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004
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:28:08 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Admin: need advice (an answer)
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
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Nandina,
I hope you and others can use this...
1) Every piece of Email will be date/time stamped from the sender by
the Email agent that they use. This will be the date/time that the
software "sees" locally to the sender that is set by the
BIOS/Operating System/Software.
2) If all computers, operating systems and software treated "time" the
same, then a regime that would always work no matter where you are in
the World would be " ", where is the
time set by your watch, for example, and is the offset from
GMT which for NSW/VIC/ACT/TAS is +1100 during daylight saving and
+1000 at other times.
3) What happens when that time-stamped mail hits your computer is that
the is translated by your Email agent software to
your local time. If the time is correct everwhere then the display
will always be correct.
4) Problems: There are many that can happen in both your computer and
the sender's;
a) Local time set in computer is wrong.
b) Local time interpreted by operating system and/or software is
wrong.
c) Local time is set with wrong offset only.
d) "Free Mail" provider has no provision for proper time offset
adjustment.
Every person should know how to set the time in their computer. This
is basically the setting of the real-time clock that can usually be
set through operating system commands such as "date" and "time" etc.
or if that fails, directly through the BIOS commands at boot time. For
MS-DOS etc., Different Windows versions work differently with later
versions (95?, 98 & NT) taking their time directly off the computer's
real-time clock (finally:-). This enables the time to be set from
within the Windows Control Panels. In older versions, Windows would
create its own time reference that drifted away from the real-time
clock. Setting the time within Windows did just that alone and failed
to reset the real-time clock. When Windows was restarted, the time was
synced back to the real-time clock:-(
Now some people are also using free Email "portals". Many of these
default their local time to the location of the server which would be
OK since you "login" to that server and send mail stamped with some
offset such as PST (Pacific Standard Time) from there. Now provided
this time was set OK, mail received in Australia would be converted to
some Australian local time for display with no problems. On the other
hand, if the portal was set up to display to the user in their local
time (some other offset), then this time would be wrong as it is being
converted again to PST by the server e.g. To display 0000 PST (0000
-800) as 1900 +1100 you normally add 1900 by adjusting the offset, but
if the offset is ignored, as is sometimes the case for display
purposes, a 1900 local time display is interpreted as 1900 -800 by the
server instead! What these poorly behaved portals do is to adjust the
local time instead of the offset alone resulting in a 19hr error! The
solution to this is to use the portal server's default local time.
Some Email agents support "threading". This is one way of grouping
mail messages that are linked by a "to", "reply", "reply" etc. chain.
That way, you can read a smaller lot to determine the correct order of
arrival in a given "thread" if time stamps are crazy.
In summary, provided everyone sets their time correctly, all Email
will be automatically time-stamped correctly and displayed in the
correct arrival order everywhere. "Now" will normally be the
time-stamp of the Email the instant it was created or at worst, the
instant that the "Send" button was pressed that is normally within a
few minutes of "now" (send button hit about Mon Feb 8 12:28:00 EST
1999 = Mon Feb 8 01:28:00 GMT 1999
Michael Scollay
Nandina Morris wrote:
>
> Hello everyone - I feel sure someone cleverer than I am will solve this
> minor problem > for me.
>
> I spend a couple of nights each week away from home, so when I return
> there will be mails from the last 2 or 3 days. Sometimes a few mails
> will refer to 'now' conditions or phenomena. My problem is that I
> don't know when 'now' is. The only time and/or date I have is that
> which appears in my Inbox when I access my mail.
>
> I am quite happy to acknowledge that this may be due to my lack of
> skill - which is why I have asked for advice on the list. I am
> operating my Internet on a budget account and the mail is Microsoft
> Internet Mail - both no frills operations that suit me fine - but
> I would like to know if there is a way I can ascertain when a message
> was sent - or alternatively, ask people referring to NOW events to
> identify day and time.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nandina
> nandina at alphalink.com.au
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005
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:20:31 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
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This was issued for SE QLD a short time ago:
TOP PRIORITY
SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
At 10:45 am EST on Monday the 8th of February 1999
For an area enclosed by Hervey Bay to Kingaroy to Warwick to
Coolangatta.
Wind gusts to 90 kilometres per hour are expected during the next 24
hours and
could bring down power lines.
Very heavy rain is expected in the region, with rapid stream rises and
localised
flooding. Some road crossings are expected to flood and motorists should
not
attempt to cross.
Expect heavy seas along the coast and people are advised to stay out of
the
water until the seas moderate.
Synoptic Situation:
A 1000 hPa low centred near Double Island Point is moving steadily
westwards. A
strengthening ridge is extending along the coast south of the low.
The next Severe Weather Warning will be issued at 4:45 pm EST .
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006
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:33:27 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mary River flood warning
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IDW40Q12
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Queensland Region
Flood Warning Centre
Media: The Standard Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with
this
warning.
INITIAL FLOOD WARNING FOR THE MARY RIVER
Issued at 9:42am on Monday the 8th of February 1999
by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane.
Heavy rainfall up to 150mm has been recorded in the Mary River with the
heaviest
falls in a band between Cooroy and Oakwood. Highest totals include
Oakwood
157mm, Pomona 135mm, Kandanga 131mm, Bellthorpe West 118mm, Kenilworth
80mm.
Rapid stream rises have been recorded throughout the upper Mary River to
Gympie
since the early hours of this morning with minor flooding in most
streams from
Kenilworth to Gympie.
At this stage, the Mary River at Gympie is expected to reach about 12
metres
later tonight with further rises possible if heavy rain continues during
the
day.
Minor flooding to expected to extend along the Mary River to Tiaro and
along
Tinana Creek during the next 24 to 48 hours
Weather Forecast :
Further rain and local thunder. Some moderate to heavy falls. Moderate
to fresh
SE to E winds.
Latest River Heights in metres include : [* denotes automatic station]
Mary R at Kenilworth Br 4.00m rising at 830am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at Moy Pocket * 4.91m rising at 821am Mon
08/02/99
Yabba Ck at Imbil * 2.23m rising at 817am Mon
08/02/99
Kandanga Ck at Hygait * 4.85m rising at 819am Mon
08/02/99
Amamoor Ck at Zachariah * 7.29m rising at 818am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at Dagun Pocket * 7.08m rising at 817am Mon
08/02/99
Six Mile Ck at Cooran 5.10m rising fast at 530am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at Gympie Weir * 8.56m rising at 830am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at Gympie * 7.97m rising at 817am Mon
08/02/99
Wide Bay Ck at Kilkivan * 0.50m rising at 819am Mon
08/02/99
Wide Bay Ck at Brooyar * 1.43m rising at 820am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at Miva * 4.43m rising at 819am Mon
08/02/99
Munna Ck at Marodian * 1.36m rising at 819am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at Home Park * 2.90m rising at 829am Mon
08/02/99
Mary R at The Barrage * 3.62m rising at 824am Mon
08/02/99
Tinana Ck at Tagigan Rd * 5.22m rising at 826am Mon
08/02/99
Tinana Ck at Bauple East * 4.54m rising at 816am Mon
08/02/99
Tinana Ck at Teddington Weir * 9.71m rising at 828am Mon
08/02/99
Tinana Ck at Tinana Barrage * 3.55m rising at 825am Mon
08/02/99
The next warning will be issued at about 1pm Monday.
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007
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:39:21 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning
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And this is our forecast, not the Flood warning for the Brisbane river
above Wivenhoe dam:
SOUTHEAST COAST DISTRICT
Severe Weather Warning current.
Rises to minor flood level in the Stanley and Upper Brisbane Rivers
above
Wivenhoe Dam.
Rain and local thunderstorms with moderate to heavy falls gradually
breaking to
showers during Tuesday. Fresh SE to E'ly winds, strong and squally near
the
coast.
Outlook for Wednesday ... Scattered showers
Thursday ... Isolated showers, chiefly coastal
IDF00Q00
BRISBANE METROPOLITAN AREA
Severe Weather Warning current.
Rain and local thunderstorms with moderate to heavy falls gradually
breaking to
showers during Tuesday. Fresh SE to E'ly winds, strong and squally at
times
Brisbane Airport for Tuesday ... MIN 23 MAX 27
Outlook for Wednesday ... Few Showers MAX 28
Thursday ... Shower or two MAX 29
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008
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:49:31 -0500
From: David Hart [dhart at world.std.com]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Admin: need advice (an answer)
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
While I am a big believer in having one's computer clock and time zone set
properly. I think that a simpler solution to the problem it that which
I've seen used on other weather list: Always include the time (and date)
and location of any weather observation. You can express the time in UTC
(GMT or Z) if you want but ususaly it tells us more if you give us the
local time and the location. With over 85 folks on the list don't expect us
to remember everyones location.
This way we'll all know just when and where it happened, and is more
reliable than the data that can be gotten from the mail headers (which
assumes that the event happened at the same time as the posting.
-David Hart-
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009
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:27:36 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flood Warning for north of Brisbane
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
IDW40Q13
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Queensland Region
Flood Warning Centre
Media: The Standard Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with
this
warning.
INITIAL FLOOD WARNING FOR THE MAROOCHY AND ADJACENT SUNSHINE COAST
STREAMS
Issued at 12:18pm on Monday the 8th of February 1999
by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane.
Widespread heavy rainfall between 50 and 90mm in the 24 hours to 9am
this
morning has led to widespread minor flooding on the Sunshine Coast.
Falls up to 80mm have been reported in the Yandina and Nambour areas in
the last
3 hours to noon. Further heavy falls are expected this afternoon and
evening
which will increase existing flood levels.
For more information on flooding in the Maroochy Shire, contact the
Maroochy
Shire Customer Service Centre.
Motorists are warned not to attempt to drive through floodwater on
roads,
especially when it is flowing.
Weather Forecast :
Rain and local thunderstorms with moderate to heavy falls gradually
breaking to
showers during Tuesday. Strong squally SE to E'ly winds, easing a little
on
Tuesday.
Latest River Heights in metres include : [* denotes automatic station]
N Maroochy R at Eumundi * 5.10m rising at 1206pm Mon
08/02/99
S Maroochy R at Kiamba * 3.23m rising at 1159am Mon
08/02/99
S Maroochy R at Yandina * 2.98m rising at 1210pm Mon
08/02/99
Maroochy R at Dunethin Rock * 1.35m rising at 1140am Mon
08/02/99
Yandina Ck at Yandina Ck * 4.31m falling at 1151am Mon
08/02/99
Doonan Ck at Doonan Creek * 3.83m steady at 1143am Mon
08/02/99
Petrie Ck at Warana Br * 5.29m rising at 1202pm Mon
08/02/99
Paynter Ck at Nelsons * N/A
Eudlo Ck at Kiels Mountain * 2.04m rising at 1138am Mon
08/02/99
Maroochy R at Picnic Point * 0.76m rising at 1130am Mon
08/02/99
The next warning will be issued at about 4pm Monday.
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010
X-Originating-Ip: [139.134.250.166]
From: "Daniel Weatherhead" [dpw14 at hotmail.com]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Blue mounatins
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:01:03 PST
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
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For the last 10 years Werrington Downs (located near Penrith Western
Sydeny, Nsw) has been the centre of my weather fascination and storm
chasing. I knew every vanatge point, where the storms came & where they
didn't, I knew the difference between the forecast and what the real
weather is doing. But I am moving the Blaxland (lower Blue Mountains),
and well i am out of my environment. So I am asking some questions to
those who live in this vicinity.
1. Is there a temperature difference?
2. Is there a rainfall difference?
3. Does the mountains recieve less/more/same amount of storms that the
plains.
Any other info would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Daniel Weatherhead
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011
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:00:27 -0500
From: David Hart [dhart at world.std.com]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Administrivia: Aussie-weather digest
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I have been testing a digest version of the aussie-weather list. The
Aussie-Weather digest is just like the Aussie-weather list, except that
you don't recieve up to 50-100 posts a day, but only once every day or two
(on average, could be more) when the mail folder gets to a certain size.
I think we may have lost a few folks along the way when they discovered
the amount of mail they recieve from the list. I hope that this form will
be better for them. This will not replace the regular aussie-weather list
but rather agmnet it. A person can subscribe to the list, the digest or
both.
I would appriciate it if a bunch of you would subscribe to the digest to
test it out before I make it public, so we can see what (if any) problems
there might be.
To subscribe send e-mail to:
majordomo at world.std.com
No subject line is needed. In the body type:
subscribe aussie-weather-digest
or go to:
http:world.std.com/~dhart/awdlist.html
and fill out the form.
-David Hart-
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012
From: "Matthew Piper" [mjpiper at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blue mounatins
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:27:06 +1100
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Daniel,
I have lived at Blaxland for most of my life and have got to know the local
weather well.
Regarding your first question Blaxland seems to have slightly lower maximums
and slightly higher minimums than down on the plains.
Secondly I do think there is also a slight increase in rainfall up here
because of the orographic effect and I definitely know as you go higher up
the mtns the rainfall increases until you get to Wentworth Falls. After this
point it tends to flatten out until falling once you get to Lithgow.
Thirdly the mtns do seem to receive more storms than the plains although a
number of times storms have formed once moving off the escarpment. Also the
severity of the storms here tends to be not as great as those that are
experienced in Sydney's Western Suburbs.
By the way you can access my rainfall figures which I have collected since
late 1985 at the following address
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mjpiper/blaxland.htm
I hope I have been of some assistance and if there is anything else you need
to know about Blaxland Weather please dont hesitate to ask me.
Matthew Piper
-----Original Message-----
>For the last 10 years Werrington Downs (located near Penrith Western
>Sydeny, Nsw) has been the centre of my weather fascination and storm
>chasing. I knew every vanatge point, where the storms came & where they
>didn't, I knew the difference between the forecast and what the real
>weather is doing. But I am moving the Blaxland (lower Blue Mountains),
>and well i am out of my environment. So I am asking some questions to
>those who live in this vicinity.
>
>1. Is there a temperature difference?
>2. Is there a rainfall difference?
>3. Does the mountains recieve less/more/same amount of storms that the
>plains.
>
>Any other info would be greatly appreciated
>
>Thanks
>
>Daniel Weatherhead
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013
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:04:54 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
Organization: Telstra Strategy & Research
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m)
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Admin: need advice (an answer)
Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
That's a fine suggestion David.
Open each obs or forecast etc. with...
Time:
Locn:
With Solaris 2.5.1 O/S it's as simple as...
~/www/weather/aus
[michaels at quasar] echo "Time: `date -u`"
Time: Mon Feb 8 04:02:07 GMT 1999
And for local time, simply delete the "-u" from the above command.
As for location, just keep a local record as such;
Locn: Sydney NSW (lat, lon)...
Michael Scollay
David Hart wrote:
>
> While I am a big believer in having one's computer clock and time zone set
> properly. I think that a simpler solution to the problem it that which
> I've seen used on other weather list: Always include the time (and date)
> and location of any weather observation. You can express the time in UTC
> (GMT or Z) if you want but ususaly it tells us more if you give us the
> local time and the location. With over 85 folks on the list don't expect us
> to remember everyones location.
>
> This way we'll all know just when and where it happened, and is more
> reliable than the data that can be gotten from the mail headers (which
> assumes that the event happened at the same time as the posting.
>
> -David Hart-
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Meeting Sat 13/02/99
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Hi all,
Just a reminder that the next Sydney ASWA meeting will be held this
Saturday 13th February at 10am. The venue will be the same as last time:
2KY building, Wentworth Street Parramatta. Please try to be there
(downstairs, outside the cafe) by 9.45am as Grant will need to let us into
the building. If you are late you can call Grant Boyden on 0412 661 937.
Please email me (separate to the list) to confirm you will be attending so
we can get an idea of numbers. If you require directions to the venue, or
if there are topics or issues you would like on the agenda, please let me
know asap.
Accomodation for out of towners:
Any member that has to stay over night in Sydney as part of
the ASWA meetings can stay at the Parramatta Park Royal for $41
per night which is a saving of $60 dollars per night.
All they need to do is phone and book in advace and say that they
want the 2KY staff rate.
If there are any problems they can contact Mike Niu at 2KY on
02 9633-9333 or Grant Boyden on the same number.
regards, Michael
ASWA President.
*==========================================================*
Michael Bath Oakhurst, Sydney mbath at ozemail.com.au
Australian Severe Weather
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From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Orange Weather
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:49 +1100
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Unfortunately still nothing worth reporting. Scattered high cirrus and cu.
At 16.50 at Orange: 22C, 1016, 32%, E/ENE 20 knots.
On the regional ABC station this afternoon they had a guy from the National
Climate Centre stating that all the rain up North at present is not due to
La Nina as a lot of people are saying but a normal cycle.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:33:25 -0500
From: David Hart [dhart at world.std.com]
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Admin: need advice (an answer)
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On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Michael Scollay wrote:
> That's a fine suggestion David.
>
> Open each obs or forecast etc. with...
>
> Time:
> Locn:
>
> With Solaris 2.5.1 O/S it's as simple as...
>
> ~/www/weather/aus
> [michaels at quasar] echo "Time: `date -u`"
> Time: Mon Feb 8 04:02:07 GMT 1999
>
> And for local time, simply delete the "-u" from the above command.
>
> As for location, just keep a local record as such;
>
> Locn: Sydney NSW (lat, lon)...
>
For location you could just set it as an environmental variable (If you
are using bash it would be:
setenv LOCATION `Boston, MA`
However, in addition to the fact that quite posibly you and I are the only
two who could take advantage of it ;-), It still doesn't address the fact
that the observation may not be at the time that the mail is composed. I
think the better way would just be:
It was 1C at 11:55 PM 7-March-1999 here in Boston.
-dkh-
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Administrivia: Aussie-weather digest
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I think that that is a good idea and is used in the US weather talk. Also
severe weather. So if it is something similar, then it should be ok.
Jimmy Deguara
At 11:00 PM 2/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I have been testing a digest version of the aussie-weather list. The
>Aussie-Weather digest is just like the Aussie-weather list, except that
>you don't recieve up to 50-100 posts a day, but only once every day or two
>(on average, could be more) when the mail folder gets to a certain size.
>
>I think we may have lost a few folks along the way when they discovered
>the amount of mail they recieve from the list. I hope that this form will
>be better for them. This will not replace the regular aussie-weather list
>but rather agmnet it. A person can subscribe to the list, the digest or
>both.
>
>I would appriciate it if a bunch of you would subscribe to the digest to
>test it out before I make it public, so we can see what (if any) problems
>there might be.
>
>To subscribe send e-mail to:
>
> majordomo at world.std.com
>
>No subject line is needed. In the body type:
>
> subscribe aussie-weather-digest
>
>or go to:
>
> http:world.std.com/~dhart/awdlist.html
>
>and fill out the form.
>
>
>-David Hart-
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From: steve baynham [bayns at nor.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: solar eclipse
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hey all,
just thought i'd write to let everyone know that there is a solar eclipse
coming up on the 16th of february! it will be in the afternoon and
depending on where you are, the moon could cover well over half of the sun!
i just hope the skies will be clear!
i will go into more detail when the event gets closer, and when i've got
more time!:0
steve from gold coast
very windy here, 1007.5 27C 60%
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:25:51 -0500
From: David Hart [dhart at world.std.com]
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On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> I think that that is a good idea and is used in the US weather talk. Also
> severe weather. So if it is something similar, then it should be ok.
>
It's not as nice as those digest. It doesnt post an index of the messages,
and It doesn't come out once a day. It will be nice though for folks who
just dont want to get all the mail.
-dkh-
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:12:12 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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David Hart wrote:
[snip]
> For location you could just set it as an environmental variable (If you
> are using bash it would be:
>
> setenv LOCATION `Boston, MA`
>
> However, in addition to the fact that quite posibly you and I are the only
> two who could take advantage of it ;-), It still doesn't address the fact
> that the observation may not be at the time that the mail is composed. I
> think the better way would just be:
>
> It was 1C at 11:55 PM 7-March-1999 here in Boston.
Tops David! And a good point about Obs that I'd previously taken for
granted. One wonders why anyone would bother to post an obs and not
state the time and place that relates to:-)
As an aside and only for those with a bit of UNIX humour, I suppose
that only within a UNIX shell would it become possible to set
"weather" and other useful variables within the environment:-) Makes
sense?
Michael Scollay
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Orange Weather
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Terry, I can't see how local flooding is part of a normal cycle and the
weather with consistent E airstream and showers or even heavy rain is
certainly not normal. I think these climate guys are getting too technical
via the definition. I would say that we are in a phase that is very similar
to what happened in the late 80's and early 90's. The weather has been
wetter than average in a lot of areas
Jimmy Deguara
At 04:00 PM 2/8/99 +1100, you wrote:
>
> Unfortunately still nothing worth reporting. Scattered high cirrus and cu.
>
> At 16.50 at Orange: 22C, 1016, 32%, E/ENE 20 knots.
>
>On the regional ABC station this afternoon they had a guy from the National
>Climate Centre stating that all the rain up North at present is not due to
>La Nina as a lot of people are saying but a normal cycle.
>
>
> Terry.
>
>mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:59:16 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Terry Bishop wrote:
[snip]
>
> On the regional ABC station this afternoon they had a guy from the National
> Climate Centre stating that all the rain up North at present is not due to
> La Nina as a lot of people are saying but a normal cycle.
I'm really surprised by media statements like this since it would
require significant rigour to establish seasonal rainfall pattern
anomalies v/s SST (Sea Surface Temperature) anomalies associated with
ENSO (EL Nino Southern Oscillation) when the "season" is far from over
yet! A better statement would have been that a study of this season
will improve our understanding of the local effects, if any,
associated with ENSO and other events to our west (Indian Ocean).
While it is quite "normal" for the "North" to get lots of rain at this
time of year, it would nevertheless be interesting to find out what is
abnormal for the season also. It has been otherwise well established
by the BoM through historical records that ENSO correlates with a
marked effect on rainfall distribution throughout Australia to varying
degrees that change from ENSO event to ENSO event. This year's records
will add to a significant pool of historical data.
Michael Scollay
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:34:32 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
We actually lost power for a little over an hour starting at 10:10am
approx...my guess is the powerlines. We've had strong squally winds all
day, sometimes reaching 33-35kts! Most squalls have been in the 20-30kt
category though, but it's constantly been windy today..with winds often
lying between the 15-20kt mark.
We had 29.5mm overnight and this morning...during one hour we received
about 10mm of rain...yet this caused our backyard footpath to become a
stream over an inch deep (we live on a hill and get the water from all
the houses above us) to put this is perspective normally only a t'storm
with at least 40mm+ rain in an hour can do that. Our ground is already
VERY waterlogged. A spokepersonn from the BoM on the radio has said
that there is a flood warning for ALL coastal streams/waterways etc
between the Gold Coast and Maryborough as there's the threat of some
very heavy falls in the next 24hrs.
The weather has also played havoc on the roads...with traffic thrown
into chaos this morning with the SE Freeway, Pacific Highway, Ipswich
Motorway, Riverside Expressway, Corontion Drive, Bruce Highway, Western
Freeway and the Gateway Motorway all at a standstill or crawling this
morning (another accident has happened on the Gateway Motorway in the
past hour and traffic is banked for about 5km)
Well...that's what is happening here...will keep you posted on further
developments.
Anthony from Brisbane
Ben Quinn wrote:
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:51:54 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
Convinced mum to take me down and have a look at some of the local
creeks :) Very high water levels, one field is under about 1.5m of
water already, and there's an area of new housing that lies about 1m
above the flood waters...certainly wouldn't want to be them at the
moment as I wouldn't be surprised if Brisbane gets a real deluge
overnight.
Brisbane overall has only had 25-50mm of rain, but the ground is so
waterlogged from previous weeks rains, it's not soaking in. The
D'Agular highway north of Brisbane has been closed...also parts of
Fortitude Valley have supposedly received flooding too.
One concerning note is the Wivenhoe/Summerset Dams...they are the two
main dams from Brisbane. The Wivenhoe dam was built after the 74 floods
and a promise was made to the Brisbane people that I quote "a flood like
the one in 1974 will never happen again with the new dam" I guess one
thing they didn't think of is what happens if the dam is already
full??? It may as well not even be there! And guess what...? Both the
dams are full!
News is on in 10mins...I'll send another email soon if there's any
interesting things on.
Anthony from Brisbane (5:51pm)
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From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Orange Weather.
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:55:33 +1100
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AT Last!! All that cloud has produced drizzle over Orange. At least I now
remember what rain looks like.
Nooowww--- for thunder, lightning, super cells.
At 18.50 ESDT 17C, 1018, 40%, E at 5 Knots.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:10:05 -0800 (PST)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
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I have been reading some mails regarding ASWA and suggestions that
'storm chasing' be excluded from the official policy of ASWA -
needless to say i think this is ridiculous i.e without knowing
properly the obligations/liabilities of the society as whole in
relation to members activities.
First, on the webpage side of things, if this is decided as 'the thing
to do' in what format will storm chase reports be included, if at all.
I was under the impression that the general angle of the current ASW
site would be upheld by the ASWA site + with a bit of embellishment
ie. with storm chasing a major player.
Now..
I am suprised that there exists such negative sentiment - I agree that
the term 'storm chasing' is a major misnomer one that might best be
avoided simply due to its name - I think mobile storm spotting is a
far more appropriate and much less suggestive name. After reading
some mails on this list I suspect there are a few people with
misconceptions on just what storm 'chasing' entails (at last in
relation to how I and others who I have chased with approach it). Also
if it is anticipated that mobile storm spotting is such a strong
negative stigma to ASWA, what reports of severe weather will be
discussed at ASWA meetings...media..BoM (BoM storm spotters will know
that the 'Lightning bolt' reports these already) backyard/workplace
reports. The way I see it, if I report/photograph a severe
thunderstorm moving over my backyard from the safety of the house
(hardly chasing but a potentially dangerous situation nonetheless)
that would be worthy of including in an ASWA meeting agenda??.
However, if I was out near Dubbo following a storm from behind (ie
chasing from a for more safe position) that wouldn't. To this end, I
do agree that storm 'chasers' should not chase under the ASWA banner,
just as backyard observers wouldn't, but their reports should
definitely be formally recognised by ASWA.
Also, some have suggested that rather than chase we should look into
ways in which we can help severe weather victims - however, the SES do
an incredible job doing just that. Having had neighbours affected by
the devastating Mar 1990 storm in Sydney, I know that for a fact. ASWA
members can always join their local SES branch if that is their wish.
However, I strongly believe that we must keep our society focused on
reporting, documenting, understanding and educating others about
severe weather events. That way we can interact better with other
groups rather than risk stepping on toes.
I'm fully aware that there are risks associated with chasing just as
there are in everyday life. There would be just as many risks if I
were to drive to an annual ASWA meeting at Grafton along the Pacific
Hwy. It's simply a cost-benefit thing. Mobile storm spotting will
provide valuable info/pics on the majority of severe weather events
that otherwise would go unoticed. At meetings this also creates an
enthusiasm in the speaker which stimulates the audience in a way that
just can't be matched by bah-humbug newspaper clippings etc.
Surely we can be flexible enough so as to investigate ways in which
mobile storm spotting accounts can be included in the agenda, in a
major way, without endangering the reputation yet to be built by ASWA.
David
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From: "truffles at xenon.net" [truffles at xenon.net]
To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane Floods
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:34:59 +-1000
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Hi all !!
- just further to Anthony's report - just came from town & no flooding
in Fortitude Valley (yet). Toombul Shopping Centre has yet to report
if their southern carpark is under ... the canal running from
Kedron-East/West and on to Stafford is full & the level creeping to
about one or two feet from the walkways - some parts of the walkway -
including the little bridge at Kedron, if you're familiar with the
section passing under Gypie road - is already under. Levels in The
Gap Creek look average at the moment.
We've had some pretty strong winds rip through The Gap too... returned
home this arv to find a few windows blown completely open wide and
curtains hanging all over and twisted, and lightweight stuff off
cupboards and shelves now over the bed and on the floor in a couple
of rooms ...
Temps approx 22. and it's wet.
rals
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:28:01 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Good point about the offer to help storm victims..whilst it is most noble to
be concerned about the needs of others in the community less fortunate than
ourselves, remember the problems (legal particularly) that arose when doctors
and others conflicted with paramedics at accident scenes?
David Croan wrote:
> I have been reading some mails regarding ASWA and suggestions that
> 'storm chasing' be excluded from the official policy of ASWA -
> needless to say i think this is ridiculous i.e without knowing
> properly the obligations/liabilities of the society as whole in
> relation to members activities.
>
> First, on the webpage side of things, if this is decided as 'the thing
> to do' in what format will storm chase reports be included, if at all.
> I was under the impression that the general angle of the current ASW
> site would be upheld by the ASWA site + with a bit of embellishment
> ie. with storm chasing a major player.
>
> Now..
> I am suprised that there exists such negative sentiment - I agree that
> the term 'storm chasing' is a major misnomer one that might best be
> avoided simply due to its name - I think mobile storm spotting is a
> far more appropriate and much less suggestive name. After reading
> some mails on this list I suspect there are a few people with
> misconceptions on just what storm 'chasing' entails (at last in
> relation to how I and others who I have chased with approach it). Also
> if it is anticipated that mobile storm spotting is such a strong
> negative stigma to ASWA, what reports of severe weather will be
> discussed at ASWA meetings...media..BoM (BoM storm spotters will know
> that the 'Lightning bolt' reports these already) backyard/workplace
> reports. The way I see it, if I report/photograph a severe
> thunderstorm moving over my backyard from the safety of the house
> (hardly chasing but a potentially dangerous situation nonetheless)
> that would be worthy of including in an ASWA meeting agenda??.
> However, if I was out near Dubbo following a storm from behind (ie
> chasing from a for more safe position) that wouldn't. To this end, I
> do agree that storm 'chasers' should not chase under the ASWA banner,
> just as backyard observers wouldn't, but their reports should
> definitely be formally recognised by ASWA.
>
> Also, some have suggested that rather than chase we should look into
> ways in which we can help severe weather victims - however, the SES do
> an incredible job doing just that. Having had neighbours affected by
> the devastating Mar 1990 storm in Sydney, I know that for a fact. ASWA
> members can always join their local SES branch if that is their wish.
> However, I strongly believe that we must keep our society focused on
> reporting, documenting, understanding and educating others about
> severe weather events. That way we can interact better with other
> groups rather than risk stepping on toes.
>
> I'm fully aware that there are risks associated with chasing just as
> there are in everyday life. There would be just as many risks if I
> were to drive to an annual ASWA meeting at Grafton along the Pacific
> Hwy. It's simply a cost-benefit thing. Mobile storm spotting will
> provide valuable info/pics on the majority of severe weather events
> that otherwise would go unoticed. At meetings this also creates an
> enthusiasm in the speaker which stimulates the audience in a way that
> just can't be matched by bah-humbug newspaper clippings etc.
> Surely we can be flexible enough so as to investigate ways in which
> mobile storm spotting accounts can be included in the agenda, in a
> major way, without endangering the reputation yet to be built by ASWA.
>
> David
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:43:22 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
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At last there is someone who is thinking what I have been thinking. I think
it is going to be very difficult to disassociate storm chasing with the
group. I think we will have to do what skydiving clubs and so on do: make
people sign that they are fully aware of what they are doing once joining
this society in case they do pick up on conversations and decide to chase.
Well done David. This will have to be discussed carefully at the respective
meetings around the country and accurately reported back. It simply cannot
be swept under the carpet. It will have to be discussed until a good
agreeable set of solutions can be arrived at.
I am very serious about all the issues that have been raised. Car hiring
(not trying to bring up it up again) was what started my thoughts on a lot
of the issues that have been discussed. They are very complex and very
important to solve: probably the most important issue besides becoming ASWA
in my view.
Thank you all for your comments. The discussions have been important to
bring out in the open what I have been thinking for years and things most
people try to avoid but really want to talk about. Thankyou once again.
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:38:44 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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According to Excel 97's on-line help the polynomial is a least squares curve
fitting.
My mathematics is pretty poor compared to that of most weather people so I
don't quite know how to apply the equations given, to the data. (Unfortunately
when I tried to copy them onto this message they didn't come out as the format
is different to the surrounding text).
In 'Weather', the official monthly magazine of the Royal Meteorological
Society, articles often appear with graphs showing everything from 21 point
binomial filters to gamma distribution curves. That's all very well for the
academics and the brains trusts, but I wish there was some way of telling what
curve is appropriate for different situations..much like having some sort of
mathematical toolbox. Perhaps this is a dangerous concept.. but the prospect of
doing a degree course in statistics is too much to contemplate...
Chris Maunder wrote:
> I'd say the shape of the curve is influenced a fair bit from the
> two high end data points. Look at the data data between 1970
> and 1980. The actual data is peaking then fading, yet your
> polynomial shows the opposite. I think it's just an artefact
> of the 6th order poly.
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:41:12 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible Major Brisbane Flooding
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here ..
I've been having heaps of trouble sending messages to the list the past
few days so i'm not sure if this will make it ..
Yep, the Toombul carpark went under today alright tuffles, i was there
watching the creek break its banks on the high tide .. what a brilliant
sight .. just as i was leaving the water was just starting to flow over
the road. I'll keep it short, as every time i write a big email and try
to send it netscape crashes .. but after looking at allot of creeks
around the Brisbane area thisafternoon, any more heavy rain tonight and
we could be looking at some moderate-major flooding, as every single
creek almost was full and just below bridge level. The thing that
surprised me was watching the Caboulture river break its banks
thisafternoon just on dark, and spreading covering a huge area (i
couldn't fit all the water in my pictures towards the end) only to
return home and find no specific warning for it, only for coastal
streams.
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From: "dpn" [dpn at bigpond.com]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Cold Morning In Victoria
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:40:47 +1100
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This morning was quite cold over much of Victoria with overnight temps 3-10
deg below average. Outside the alpine areas the lowest temps were 1c at
Ararat and 2c at Ballarat. Here in Kilsyth in the outer suburbs of
Melbourne the low was 5.8c. Nearby Scoresby had a low of 6c and Coldstream
near Lilydale recorded 3c. Looks like much warmer weather ahead with temps
in the 30's for Melbourne from Wednesday through till at least Saturday.
There is the chance of f isolated storms developing mainly over the ranges
Thursday through to Saturday. Dane
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:00:43 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
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Great, but please inform Matthew so that he totally understands the
situation. I do think that is the best solution thoug.
Glad to be back online. David Croan and others were having problems as
well. I don't think it was an isolated incident.
Jimmy
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:04:23 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA-storm chasing-website-yawn
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I appologise for this response but I must have replied to the wrong
message. This is for somebody else so please disregard the message.
Jimmy
At 11:00 PM 2/8/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Great, but please inform Matthew so that he totally understands the
>situation. I do think that is the best solution thoug.
>
>Glad to be back online. David Croan and others were having problems as
>well. I don't think it was an isolated incident.
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To: "weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
From: "bonzo" [bonzo at mpx.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: sending messages
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 99 10:47:18 PST
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X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penman.es.mq.edu.au id XAA12062
g,day ben it,s rob from cairns, i believe some idiot on a backhoe ripped
up all the lines down your way, so thats probably why you were having
problems with your email, dont worry mine was like a slow camel as well.
i give up in the end, seems to be o.k. now.
cheers rob.
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