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001 Tom Johnstone [Iain.Johnstone at pse.unige.ch] CCCCOOOOOOLLDDD! Was "Frustrating Day in Brisbane"
002 "Dr Martin Davey" [mdavey at health.on.net] Don't complain about Canberra's lack of storms Patrick!!
003 Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com] Melbourne update
004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] a QLD Snow story
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Re: Snow
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] North-central Victorian Weather
007 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] a QLD Snow story
008 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Flooding
009 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Writer galore
010 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Orange Weather or lack of excitement
011 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com] waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
012 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne has equal-second hottest summer on record
013 Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au] Re: Global Warming
014 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Hi Lindsay
015 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Very heavy rain at Yamba
016 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Feb storm record for Canberra
017 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Good weather for Sydney
018 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Feb storm record for Canberra
019 vortex at wwdg.com Quiet at Horsham
020 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Feb storm record for Canberra
021 vortex at wwdg.com Tornado Detection?
022 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Victoria Severe Storm/Squall warning and advice !!!
023 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Good weather for Sydney
024 vortex at wwdg.com Finally!!!!!!
025 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. a QLD Snow story
026 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Severe thunderstorm line SW of Melbourne
027 "Nick Sykes" [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au] Severe Squall warning Melbourne
028 "Nick Sykes" [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au] Melbourne Damage - Glenroy
029 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne Damage - Glenroy
030 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] melbourne web cam
031 vortex at wwdg.com Wimmera Update
032 David Hart [dhart at world.std.com] Re: missing message
033 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] more melbourbe damage
034 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] (Sad)delaide
035 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] SA snow
036 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] melbourne
037 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Melbourne Pics
038 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] SE QLD T'storms
039 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Melbourne Pics
040 Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com] Melbourne Storm update
041 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Melbourne wx
042 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Good weather for Sydney
043 Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com] Victorian storms update
044 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com] severe storm advice - NSW
045 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com] amended NSW sev. storm advice
046 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Reported NE NSW Tornado
047 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
048 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Current weather conditions: severe weather??
049 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
050 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] melbourne
051 "RODNEY AIKMAN" [raikman at hotmail.com] Bendigo weather
052 "RODNEY AIKMAN" [raikman at hotmail.com] a QLD Snow story
053 "RODNEY AIKMAN" [raikman at hotmail.com] Wyche weather
054 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Darwin pics
055 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] NSW Snow story
056 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com] waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
057 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
058 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au] record N Qld rain?
059 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW
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001
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:38:50 +0100
From: Tom Johnstone [Iain.Johnstone at pse.unige.ch]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: CCCCOOOOOOLLDDD! Was "Frustrating Day in Brisbane"
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At 17:15 26/02/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Between you and a friend of mine who has just headed off for some skiing
>in Canada - I'm getting REAL itchy for the snow season.
>
>I cannot believe how bad last seasons was. 1997 was bad - and we all
>thought that 1998 would make up for it. What a disappointment!
>
>Anyone want to make some brave predictions about this years season? :)
>
You can have some of the snow we've got over here. I went up to Anzere in
the Valais region of Switzerland last week, but wasn't able to ski until
Saturday because of avalanche risk. Then on Saturday when they opened the
slopes, two of the ski lifts were broken - the wheels at the bottom had
broken under the weight of 4 metres of snow. And one other ski lift had had
its middle station wiped out by an avalanche. Two of the pistes back to the
village were littered with debris, branches and sticks, from avalanches
which came across them - gives a new meaning to the term "tree-skiing".
Cheers,
Tom
(an Aussie in Geneva)
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002
From: "Dr Martin Davey" [mdavey at health.on.net]
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Subject: aus-wx: Don't complain about Canberra's lack of storms Patrick!!
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:12:14 +1200
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Patrick, sorry to hear that Canberra has had a lack of storms for Feb and
below average rainfall for Summer but have a look at some of these almost
unbeatable stats for Adelaide for the Summer. Total thunder days for
Summer.......NIL yes that is right.....NIL. Total rainfall this
Summer....24mm ( average 72mm) including a whopping 1.8mm this month and a
yearly total to date of 13.2mm. Now beat that!!
Martin
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003
From: Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne update
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:16:57 +1100
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Hi all. Good chance of storms in Melbourne again today. currently some
storms in the west of the state. Observed lightning (Sheet) on the
Northern horizon about 12.30am this morning. storms over night in the
Shepparton area produced about 30mm. Hail yesterday around Mill Park.
Lets hope for a good day and make it 3 thunderdays in a row. Also looks
like there could still be storms around again tomorrow. Dane Kilsyth.
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004
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:55:19 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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I'd be interested in any details you have Rodney.
Lindsay
RODNEY AIKMAN wrote:
>
> Hi Truffles,
> I am not sure whether this is the same incident or not, but
> on the 31st of May 1977, there was a severe cold outbreak over
> south-eastern Australia. Snow fell in many places in Victoria, some for
> the first time in recordable history. I have details about this cold
> outbreak's influence in Victoria only.
> Rod Aikman
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005
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:00:40 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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I have been re-reading some interesting data I have on snow trends in
the Aussie Alps. Apparently there has been a gradual snow depth
decrease since the nineteen sixties. However, if reliable data back to
the nineteen thirties is taken into account, this trend disappears.
Indeed if the trend is observed over the last 60 years or so, it simply
seems to indicate the highly erratic nature of Australian Alps
snowfalls.
Also, I'm wondering if the Mount Pinatabu (sp?) eruption had an impact
on the better than average snow years in the early nineties? Just
pondering this as it shows up quite significantly on the graphs and I
just wondered if the eruption could correlate in such a way, what with
the decrease in global temperature for a year or two after the eruption.
Also, ....sorry, :-) just some ideas I'm having...I am wondering if
global warming has an impact on the natural phenomenon of El Nino? could
global warming have helped produced significant El Nino's like the one
we had in '97/98? And can a good El Nina year produce the possibility
of better snow falls for the Alps especially if it could help produce
some of those cut-off systems the skiers seem to talk about?
Any one feel free to answer these thoughts. I'm just interested in such
things.
Cheers,
Lindsay
PS: I also have a very good article from "Meteorology Today" on "When is
it too warm to snow" if anyone is interested. I could post the gist of
it or even the whole article. It comes out of the best text book I have
seen on the weather that is written for college level. Nearly 600 pages
of great stuff. I ended up buying it. :-)
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006
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:51:29 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Dry bulb is the "normal" temperature reading as opposed to Edna's one
:-)
Nandina Morris wrote:
>
> Okay people - I know I'm chatty today :-)
>
> Will someone please explain Dry Bulb to me? I'd give a good guess that
it's nothing to do with Dame Edna's gladdies!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nandina
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007
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:04:18 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Lindsay here,
I was talking to a local at the Blackheath Tennis club and he said that
they had 18 inches(unpacked) of snow some time in the sixties. He can't
remember when but he remembers the snow being up to his knees! Also
numerous stories from the locals re common three to six inch falls
throughout the fifties and sixties and seventies too.
We also had six inches or more a number of times in the 80's but whilst
still getting some good fun falls and even some moderately heavy ones in
the nineties, there is definately less snow falling in this decade. They
had a few inches fall in August '96 which covered everything with a
blanket of white as it was very wet and fell at around 0 to 2 degrees.
It looked heavier than it was because of this. Couple of seasons ago we
had
snow in novmember covering the waratahs!
Has anyone seen those snow trend graphs for the snowie mountains from
the 1930's up until now? They are interesting.
truffles wrote:
>
> OK.Ok. I give in ... here's one of my own ...and some homework for the snow buffs!
>
> It was back when I was about 12yrs'ish old ... that would have been about 1977 give or take a year ...
>
> We were visiting rellies in Murgon, and they took us to a picnic spot on a mountain near Kingaroy .. it was school hols so it would have been ?May June? ... winter thereabouts.
>
> Ennies .. all I know is it was BLOODY cold the afternoon we were there... and there was trouble starting the car in order to leave.
>
> We left to head onto Brisbane the next day ... when we rang them back to let them know we'd arrived ok, and they told us the picnic place area where we'd been had had SNOW that night after we'd left .. the first time ever there ..
>
> Anyone care to pin this event down for me??
>
> rals
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008
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:42:59 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
There's been some pretty wild weather overnight in some places, with
parts of Northern NSW affected by flash flooding, with water entering
houses and cutting roads in Mullumbimby, Ballina, Byron Bay and
Bangalow.. and even reports of a waterspout causing damage at Lennox
Head! Also unconfirmed flash flooding in Mudgeraba (From Channel 7), and
on the gold coast last night.
I've had 42mm here overnight, 25mm falling in a period of rain that
lasted approx. 45mins earlier in the night.. BOM is reporting unofficial
reports of over 60mm in some metropolitan areas.
I'm hoping for some action here this afternoon if the cloud clears
enough, with LI's of -4 to our near west at 6z, and quite low all day
prettty much.. At the moment it is overcast, but it's starting to thin
out.. 27C, 92% Humidity and a DP of 26C <<-- I think my wetbulb/drybulb
tells me lies..
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009
From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Writer galore
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:47:44 +1100
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Hi Nandina and Lindsay,
I also try my hand at the writing game. At present I am working on a book
covering the effects of humankind on the environment. I am covering subjects
such as weather (strange that), air pollution, soil pollution (pesticides
ect), water contamination/pollution, health (Carcinonogenic Effects,
dermatitis & asthma/sinus, electromagnetic pollution and changes such as the
damming and changes in environmental flows in the rivers and the cutting
down of trees.
I have two publishers who are interested in the rough outline that I
presented to them.
All I have to do is write it!!!
AAAARRRRGGGG!!! Who's idea was this. Information overload. Please reset
circuit breaker.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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010
From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Orange Weather or lack of excitement
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:47:34 +1100
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Hi All,
Another literal dull boring day with 100% cu cover. No rain or action at the
present.
We had 6.8mm of drizzle overnight.
At 10.00 ESDT 19C, 70%, 1015, E 5-10 knots.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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011
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:52:08 -0800 (PST)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
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Hi everyone,
There was a report of a waterspout yesterday at Lennox Head on the NSW
Nth coast - it must have been a quite vigorous one as it apparently
unroofed a house(s).
With the models having a NW jet streak running over NSW, seems like
there will be plenty of vertical wind shear today so perhaps some
strong storms will develop along the trough in western areas.
Cheers
David
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012
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne has equal-second hottest summer on record
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:08:12 +1100 (EST)
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Melbourne's means for summer 1998-99:
Maximum 27.2 (6th highest on record - highest 28.3, 1897-98
and 1950-51)
Minimum 16.2 (2nd highest on record - highest 16.8, 1980-81)
Mean 21.7 (equal 2nd highest on record with 1897-98 -
highest 22.4, 1980-81)
As for Melbourne at this moment, an area of rain to the NE has cleared,
but there is a line of storms in the Lorne-Anglesea area.
Blair Trewin
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013
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:11:45 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [Bodie19 at eisa.net.au]
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have been re-reading some interesting data I have on snow trends in
> the Aussie Alps. Apparently there has been a gradual snow depth
> decrease since the nineteen sixties. However, if reliable data back to
> the nineteen thirties is taken into account, this trend disappears.
> Indeed if the trend is observed over the last 60 years or so, it simply
> seems to indicate the highly erratic nature of Australian Alps
> snowfalls.
>
> Also, I'm wondering if the Mount Pinatabu (sp?) eruption had an impact
> on the better than average snow years in the early nineties? Just
> pondering this as it shows up quite significantly on the graphs and I
> just wondered if the eruption could correlate in such a way, what with
> the decrease in global temperature for a year or two after the eruption.
>
> Also, ....sorry, :-) just some ideas I'm having...I am wondering if
> global warming has an impact on the natural phenomenon of El Nino? could
> global warming have helped produced significant El Nino's like the one
> we had in '97/98? And can a good El Nina year produce the possibility
> of better snow falls for the Alps especially if it could help produce
> some of those cut-off systems the skiers seem to talk about?
>
> Any one feel free to answer these thoughts. I'm just interested in such
> things.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lindsay
> PS: I also have a very good article from "Meteorology Today" on "When is
> it too warm to snow" if anyone is interested. I could post the gist of
> it or even the whole article. It comes out of the best text book I have
> seen on the weather that is written for college level. Nearly 600 pages
> of great stuff. I ended up buying it. :-)
>
Hey Lindsay
I came across an article online the other day that was headed
"Researchers say Global Warming has no impact on El Nino".. or something
like that, but i can't seem to track it down again.. when i find it i'll
post the URL, in the meantime this page from the CSIRO may be of some
use to you..
http://www.csiro.au/news/issues/climate.htm
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014
From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Hi Lindsay,
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:17:43 +1100
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Hi Lindsay,
I have just finished reading a book called "Full Steam Across the
Mountains." It is the story of the constructing and using the first lines
from Penrith/Emu Plains to Lithgow.
In the book there are some photos of heavy snowfalls at Blackheath, Medlow
Bath, Katoomba, and Lithgow all Circa. around the turn of the century. I am
chasing copies for my own reference so I will keep you in mind when I obtain
them. I am still working on statistics for the Orange area but at present I
need an 40 hour day. (That extra hour with daylight saving hasn't helped!!!)
Re you enquiry re snowfalls and the greenhouse effect. The all the present
research I have so far (with much help from the CSIRO) it is still no
definitive answer. The statistics are to few over to short a period. The
info does lean towards a natural increase in temperatures but might be
accelerated by what people are doing to the environment.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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015
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Very heavy rain at Yamba
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According to the NSW 0900 bulletin 300mm fell at Yamba in the 24 hours
to 0900 this morning.
I've checked the 3-hourly figures and they are consistent (49/24/62mm
for the 3-hourly blocks 9-12, 12-3, 3-6 yesterday, then 166mm in the
12 hours to 6 this morning), but it is still quite a bit higher than
anything else in the area (132mm at Evans Head is the next highest).
If confirmed, this would be a new 24-hour record for the site.
Blair Trewin
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016
From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Feb storm record for Canberra
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:23:17 +1100 (EST)
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> Total precipitation for Feb at Canberra airport was 10mm
> (average is 54mm). I recorded a similar amount at Higgins
> for the month.
>
> The total summer rainfall was also well below average
> 120mm received (average is 174mm).
>
> So much for the La Nina hype. Whilst much of the eastern
> sea-bord fringe has received well above average rain (as
> presumably has much of the tropics) over the summer, there
> are as usual some major exceptions. Sadly, Canberra seems
> to be one of them.
Actually, there has been a very narrow dry band running N-S through
the NSW Tablelands, which Canberra has been right in the middle of
(the area a bit further north, around Crookwell, has been even drier,
which explains why it burnt so easily). The band is only 20-30km wide
- you need to look at the SE Australia map on the Bureau's climate page
to pick it up (it's too small a feature to show up on the grid spacing
used for the national analysis).
Blair Trewin
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017
From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
To: "Aussie-weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Good weather for Sydney
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:26:47 +1100
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Attn. all Sydney weather controllers,
I hereby request a fine mild evening for Saturday 6/3/99. I am attending the
Rugby League match at the new Sydney Stadium on that evening. GO SAINTS!!!
Advance apologies to Susan P. and the rest of the Sydney mob that want
storms.
Terry.
mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:54:35 +1100
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From: Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Feb storm record for Canberra
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Hi Blair,
I'd be interested in having a look at the full, depressing
picture. What's the easiest way to get hold of this map?
It's been a bizzare month watching the clouds come up to,
then skirt around, Canberra.
- Chris.
At 11:23 2/03/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Actually, there has been a very narrow dry band running N-S through
>the NSW Tablelands, which Canberra has been right in the middle of
>(the area a bit further north, around Crookwell, has been even drier,
>which explains why it burnt so easily). The band is only 20-30km wide
>- you need to look at the SE Australia map on the Bureau's climate page
>to pick it up (it's too small a feature to show up on the grid spacing
>used for the national analysis).
>
>Blair Trewin
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019
From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:06:31 -0700
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Quiet at Horsham
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Hey All.
Well, it's quiet at Horsham so far...although there is a damn good cell
over the Grampians again at 12:00pm. Looks to be a possible pulse
storm...but there is just too much garbage around it to get a good look.
Hope things just pick up here.
Paul
Paul Yole
2 McDonald Street
Murtoa. Vic. 3390
Australia
Phone: (035) 385 2699
Mobile: 0419 367 920
Email: vortex at wwdg.com
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Feb storm record for Canberra
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>
> Hi Blair,
>
> I'd be interested in having a look at the full, depressing
> picture. What's the easiest way to get hold of this map?
Go to the climate section of the Bureau site
(http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/), then follow the links to Australian
maps and proceed from there.
Blair Trewin
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:38:39 -0700
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Hey All. Found this on the WX-CHASE list. Anyone heard of it before?
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>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:06:16 -0600
>From: Gary Peterson
>Subject: Re: WX-CHASE Digest - 27 Feb 1999 to 28 Feb 1999
I have used AM radio as a source of determining the intensity of
thunderstorms and the possible formation of tornados. The process is very
simple. Just tune the AM radio to the low end of the band..55...static
crashes are easily heard, and when a tornado has formed a stacatto sound
wavers in and out, gradually increasing in intensity. I know that this
system works, because I used it several years ago in north Iowa during a
severe storm/tornado event. The tornado was clearly "sounding".
I learned of this method by interviewing a man named Newt Weller from
western Iowa. He spent a great deal of his life investigating "spherics" and
this method is commonly called the "weller detection method"..
Gary Peterson N0ZOD
MN ARES SEC
n0zod at deskmedia.com
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Warning number 1:
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
for Melbourne Metropolitan area
Issued at 1217 on Tuesday the 2nd of March 1999
Severe thunderstorms have been observed over the northern suburbs and are
moving
southeastwards and are likely to affect northern and central suburbs.
People are warned that heavy rain and local flash flooding, large hail, and
damaging winds are possible with these storms.
This warning will be updated at 2.15pm.
And number 2 :
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
Severe Thunderstorm Advice
Issued at 1217 on Tuesday the 2nd of March 1999 for the Western, Central,
North
Central and Wimmera Districts
Possible severe thunderstorms have been identified on radar in the Western and
Central Districts. Further severe thunderstorms are expected to develop in
these
districts and the North Central and Wimmera. People are warned they may
produce
large hail, localised heavy rain resulting in flash flooding and damaging wind
gusts.
This advice is valid until 6pm and should not be used after this time.
Matt Smith
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Hi Terry
Ill see you there with the 110 thousand others ! :)
I hope its a nice day as well for the 2 matches ... and our chance for
storms on thursday/friday has been wipped off the BoM's forcast so i guess
we will probably get storms ;)
Matt Smith
>Attn. all Sydney weather controllers,
>
>
>I hereby request a fine mild evening for Saturday 6/3/99. I am attending the
>Rugby League match at the new Sydney Stadium on that evening. GO SAINTS!!!
>
>Advance apologies to Susan P. and the rest of the Sydney mob that want
>storms.
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry.
>
>mailto:dymprog at mpx.com.au
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:49:56 -0700
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Just posted:
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGYVICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCASTSevere Thunderstorm Advice
Issued at 1217 on Tuesday the 2nd of March 1999 for the Western, Central, North
Central and Wimmera Districts
Possible severe thunderstorms have been identified on radar in the Western and
Central Districts. Further severe thunderstorms are expected to develop in these
districts and the North Central and Wimmera. People are warned they may produce
large hail, localised heavy rain resulting in flash flooding and damaging wind
gusts. This advice is valid until 6pm and should not be used after this time.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:45:45 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lindsay,
I've got heaps to tell about snow but not the time yet to write it all
up. Stay tuned.
As for snow depth records, you can get a hold of all the data kept at
the measuring stations in the Snowy Mountains since they started by a
written application to;
Reg McGufficke (Hydrology)
SNOWY MOUNTAINS HYDRO-ELECTRIC AUTHORITY
P.O. 332
MONARO HWY COOMA 2630 ............................. (02)
6452-1777
Hydrology Dept ..................................... (02 )6453 2474
Information ........................................ (02) 6453-2004
Phone Reg first to check.
I began a model to predict snowfall using the SOI (Southern
Oscillation Index) and other BoM data 2 years ago. I used the snow
depth data published each year for tourism needs that produce a poster
of snow depths at Spencers Creek as a crude check. I didn't have to go
far to realise that it is not easy or reliable. I even toyed with
using chaos theory which in hindsight is probably along the right path
for climate and weather forecasting:-) Therefore, I didn't go as far
to obtain the real data from the above. To get a true picture, one
needs to be more rigorous and bring in all precipitation data,
temperatures, snow depth etc. etc. at varying altitudes.
As an example of potential complexity, El Nino/La Nina does seem to
have an impact on precipition levels, but it's not as simple as that
alone as 1998 proved to me - plenty of snow... and rain:-( A suitable
model would take in more global effects to model and then predict the
majority of parameters needed. They would number in the scores to
hundreds.
As an example of potential impact, snowfall in Australia is marginal
at best because of our lack of extreme cold and/or altitude to make it
so. We need something less than a 2C average rise to reduce our snow
season by 1 to 2 months from June/October to July/Sept. That's really
sad given my love of snow sports.
You can also stand on the shoulders of others who have trodden this
path...
CSIRO climate change: http://www.csiro.au/news/issues/climate.htm#clim
Michael Paine: http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/mpaine/snow.html
Andrew Slater: http://atmos.es.mq.edu.au/~aslater/snowy.html
[not a complete list by any means]
Note that Andrew considers his work above to be a "poxy undergraduate"
study. It would be worth it to discuss his latest views. I wouldn't
mind joining you if a meeting were to be arranged. Also, Andrew has
some great links to follow for those interested in snow.
Michael Scollay
mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
Lindsay wrote:
>
> Lindsay here,
>
> I was talking to a local at the Blackheath Tennis club and he said that
> they had 18 inches(unpacked) of snow some time in the sixties. He can't
> remember when but he remembers the snow being up to his knees! Also
> numerous stories from the locals re common three to six inch falls
> throughout the fifties and sixties and seventies too.
>
> We also had six inches or more a number of times in the 80's but whilst
> still getting some good fun falls and even some moderately heavy ones in
> the nineties, there is definately less snow falling in this decade. They
> had a few inches fall in August '96 which covered everything with a
> blanket of white as it was very wet and fell at around 0 to 2 degrees.
> It looked heavier than it was because of this. Couple of seasons ago we
> had
> snow in novmember covering the waratahs!
>
> Has anyone seen those snow trend graphs for the snowie mountains from
> the 1930's up until now? They are interesting.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Severe thunderstorm line SW of Melbourne
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There is a substantial line of thunderstorms moving towards
Melbourn - the storms have just cleared Geelong. Geelong airport
has received 22mm in the last half-hour or so.
Looks very interesting...
Blair Trewin
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From: "Nick Sykes" [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Squall warning Melbourne
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:04:56 +1100
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BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
Severe Squall Warning
for Port Philip Bay and the Melbourne Metropolitan area.
Issued at 1355 on Tuesday the 2nd of March 1999
Squalls to 90 km/h are possible in association with a line of thunderstorms
moving over Melbourne and Port Phillip Bay areas.
This warning will be updated at 4pm.
These line of storms is looking mean, huge squall line.
Will keep updated
Nick
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From: "Nick Sykes" [nsykes at labyrinth.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Damage - Glenroy
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:06:42 +1100
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severe storm has just moved through Glenroy, flooding, lightning damage,
large hail, BOM has warned of severe thunderstorms lasting all afternoon.
3MP radio report
Casterton in S.W Vic has had 3 inches
Nick
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Damage - Glenroy
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>
> severe storm has just moved through Glenroy, flooding, lightning damage,
> large hail, BOM has warned of severe thunderstorms lasting all afternoon.
>
> 3MP radio report
>
> Casterton in S.W Vic has had 3 inches
>
> Nick
This doesn't match the obs from the AWS - 29mm so far (still not bad).
Very annoyingly, the radar hasn't updated since 1.30.
Blair
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Subject: aus-wx: melbourne web cam
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Some amazing images of the storms are comming through on the web cams
namely St Kilda, Rialto Towers, MCG and the Richmond Cam's.
http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/Melbourne/Weather/Melbourne_Web_Cam/
Im saving the good ones so if anyone wants them mail me.
Matt Smith
ASWA General Committee Member
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:11 -0700
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Subject: aus-wx: Wimmera Update
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Hey All.
Thunderstorm activity developing quite nicely in the Wimmera with a
monster storm approaching Warracknabeal on radar and with visual sightings
looking like it could go severe.
Also a storm building out to the West of Horsham, so I think I'll stay in
this area for a while and see what happens.
Paul.
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:49:16 -0500
From: David Hart [dhart at world.std.com]
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This bounced because of the included picture:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Hello all after a longish absence.
Thanks to listmeister David Hart for his patience while I sorted out a
serious problem with my e-mail settings.....
Today in Adelaide we had the most brilliant cumulus towers over the Mt
Lofty ranges we've had all summer. At 1.00pm they were like an exploding
hard edged 'knuckly' line of gigantic mountains capped by beautiful pileus.
No camera!! But as usual this summer, nothing happened over the metro
area. I cannot remember a summer that passed without 1, count 'em 1,
storm. Lucky bloody Melbournites....(grrrrr).
On the other hand, here's an image from my Gawler area chase of 13/2/99.
In the immortal words of Jimmy Deguara - "Rotation Overhead!".
I've been enjoying the snow thread. I remember a day in September 1977
when my family was on a holiday to NSW. We were visiting rellies in
Canberra and had just spent a night in Queenbean. We woke to a snow
covered car and a white world most of the way south to Cooma.
I'll try to post some big SA snowfalls soon. Does anybody agree that the
years between 1900 and 1910 seemed to be particularly snow friendly?
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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A shopping centere roof has just caved in apparently according to a
melbournite in #weather at the moment on IRC. This happened at Tullamarine.
Matt Smith
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Hello all, its nice to be back...
Yesterday we had a wonderful display of crisp knuckly towers over the Mt
Lofty Ranges, capped with beautiful pileus. Don't ya just hate it when you
have to work/study on the good chase days? Macclesfield (~40km SE of
Adelaide) received 45mm including some largish hail.
But alas the activity did not spread to the metropolitan area. This city
is now 4 months (count 'em) from its last rumble of thunder and the summer
rainfall average was way below normal. The ENSO cycle obviously has a very
tenuous and unpredictable effect on South Australia.
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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I've really enjoyed the snow stories thus far, keep 'em coming!
I've been lucky enough to witness 4 falls in SA
1981, May, on Mt Remarkable in the Flinders Ranges, under an anticyclone
with a cold pool aloft
1984, July, Mt Lofty ranges, classic southerly outbreak
1996, August, Mt Lofty ranges, ditto
1998, July, Mt Lofty ranges, ditto
On all occasions except the last snow lasted on the ground for less than an
hour. There are many heavier historical falls though. The decade between
1900 and 1910 seems to have been particularly prone....
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: melbourne
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Andrew & Chris took cover under the shelter of a service station / roadhouse
in the western suburbs before all of this really got started and are pretty
damn glad they stayed put!! While I was talking to them on the mobile, a cg
hit the telegraph pole across the road from them - I heard the lightning
strike the pole from this end of the phone!!
Earlier this morning Clyve found himself under a lowering with some dust
swirls - all with potential but none which tunred into a funnel. This line
of cells has gone severe and it feels more like something you Brisbanites
would be used to.
It has just got to Abbotsford - all we had this morning were a couple of
stunning cg's mid morning and some thunder - but it's still getting blacker
to the west with a lot of scud.
I'M SCREAMING WITH FRUSTRATION IN HERE - I CAN'T GET OUT!!!!!!! :(
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Ok here they are
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel.jpg
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel1.jpg
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel2.jpg
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel3.jpg
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel4.jpg
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel5.jpg
etc etc you get hte idea theres about 14 all up i htink, im constantly
adding them..
Enjoy!!
Matt Smith
ASWA Genereal Committee Member
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:31:50 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
Just got back from uni, can observe some Cb to my NW, saw some accas at
12:30pm, as well as some congestus, not too bad but it looks like more
isolated t'storm activty as this cloud is a pain, although it's 28.8C
with a DP of 22C here.
Anthony from Brisbane (2:30pm)
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ok the web cam has gone down and the last image i got was
/mel12.jpg
Storms are still continuing in melbourne with close strikes near Nick
Sykes, he had to get offline a short while ago.
if anyone else can get good pics from the web cam sight save them !:)
Matt Smith
>Ok here they are
>
>http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel.jpg
>http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel1.jpg
>http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel2.jpg
>http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel3.jpg
>http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel4.jpg
>http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/mel5.jpg
>
>etc etc you get hte idea theres about 14 all up i htink, im constantly
>adding them..
>Enjoy!!
>Matt Smith
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From: Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]
To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Storm update
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:53:30 +1100
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Just light rain and a little distant Thunder here in Kilsyth. Very heavy
rain falling in some sububs with flash flooding, Prahran and also Eltham
have reported flash flooding. Dane
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne wx
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Flash flooding, water 12" over the Hume Highway in Campbellfield. 12" water
over Mahoneys Road in Thomastown, water over the road in Reservoir!!!!
Northern suburbs really got hit!
Lots of lightning & thunder, tree debris on the roads, cars stalled
everywhere.......all courtesy of my Visyboard rep. He reckoned that it
looked like the of the world from the northern suburbs!!
That's it for a while. You'll pick this one up on the news tonight.
Jane
Bayswater, Melbourne
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:43:09 +1100
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Hi Matt and Terry, I will see you there as well.
Jimmy Deguara
At 12:52 PM 3/2/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Terry
>
>Ill see you there with the 110 thousand others ! :)
>
>I hope its a nice day as well for the 2 matches ... and our chance for
>storms on thursday/friday has been wipped off the BoM's forcast so i guess
>we will probably get storms ;)
>
>Matt Smith
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From: Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Victorian storms update
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:43:34 +1100
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Storm hit my area Kilsyth at 4.00pm several big Cg's less than 1 second
between lightning and thunder. Rain not as heavy as some suburbs. we have
had 13.2mm of that 8mm fell in 15 minutes. The Bom Notes on the weather
for Victoria issued at 1630 state A TORNADO was observed at Horsham.
They also state that Melton received 70mm of rain in 45 minutes. This
makes 3 in a row (Thunder days) for Melbourne tomorrow there is some
chance we could make it 4 in a row. Dane
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:58:18 -0800 (PST)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: severe storm advice - NSW
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An active season for the Riverina.
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1819 on Tuesday the 2nd of March 1999
This advice affects people in the following weather district:
Riverina
Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this evening. Some
of these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones,
destructive winds and very heavy rainfall.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:26:40 -0800 (PST)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: amended NSW sev. storm advice
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1902 on Tuesday the 2nd of March 1999
This advice replaces the earlier advice issued at 6:19 pm and affects
people
in the following weather districts:
Upper Western, west of the Paroo River
Riverina, south of a line Hay to Wagga Wagga
Southwest Slopes, south of a line Wagga Wagga to Tumut
Southern Tablelands, south of the ACT
South Coast. south of Moruya
Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this evening.
Some of these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones,
destructive winds and very heavy rainfall capable of producing localised
flash flooding.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:58:44 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
I almost fell out of my seat when the media refferred to a 'twister' in
NE NSW over the usual "mini tornado/cyclone" we've all grown to love
and adore - NOT. Anyway...a witness reported a "funnel that ripped off
the roof of a water tower and sucked all the water and roofing sheets up
into the sky as far as he could see" certainly another interesting
occurence.
Anthony from Brisbane
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:03:26 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
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Hi David...Lennox is the place where it was reported...but from the
pictures the media showed, it was on a hill...and in my belief, a
waterspout cannot cross land without dissipating (spelling!) but I've
heard a few people argue otherwise.
Anthony
David Croan wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> There was a report of a waterspout yesterday at Lennox Head on the NSW
> Nth coast - it must have been a quite vigorous one as it apparently
> unroofed a house(s).
>
> With the models having a NW jet streak running over NSW, seems like
> there will be plenty of vertical wind shear today so perhaps some
> strong storms will develop along the trough in western areas.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:04:49 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Current weather conditions: severe weather??
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Hi Jimmy here,
I have found this weather system very interesting but have not had the time
to look at everything. Could everyone please download as much weather
information, variables and so on so that we can compile a good report on
this particular weather siutation. In particular, I am interested in the
amount of funnel sightings and tornadoes that have been reported. A good
report will help us in the future: another reason why this group has been
so successful. Well done everyone!
I may be chocker-block full with work but I will not let the opportunity go
astray if severe storms hit Sydney later in the week.
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:07:26 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
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>From my readings of waterspouts, they tend to cross the coastline but can
travel a "little" way inland before dissipating. I suppose it depends on
how strong it is.
Jimmy Deguara
At 07:03 PM 3/2/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi David...Lennox is the place where it was reported...but from the
>pictures the media showed, it was on a hill...and in my belief, a
>waterspout cannot cross land without dissipating (spelling!) but I've
>heard a few people argue otherwise.
>
>Anthony
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:10:15 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Huh? What? Something us Brisbanites would be used to? We're storm
starved up here to! (not one thunderday in Feb for us here, which is
fairly rare) I heard a massive total of run rumble of thunder from a
distant storm, but that was it. Another very 'pulsey' day with lots of
teasing from distant t'storms and congestus towers.
One thing that I do have to mention, is that many of our thunderdays
have just been that, 'thunderdays' where all you hear is thunder, and
don't get a proper t'storm.
Anthony from Brisbane
Jane ONeill wrote:
>
> Andrew & Chris took cover under the shelter of a service station / roadhouse
> in the western suburbs before all of this really got started and are pretty
> damn glad they stayed put!! While I was talking to them on the mobile, a cg
> hit the telegraph pole across the road from them - I heard the lightning
> strike the pole from this end of the phone!!
>
> Earlier this morning Clyve found himself under a lowering with some dust
> swirls - all with potential but none which tunred into a funnel. This line
> of cells has gone severe and it feels more like something you Brisbanites
> would be used to.
>
> It has just got to Abbotsford - all we had this morning were a couple of
> stunning cg's mid morning and some thunder - but it's still getting blacker
> to the west with a lot of scud.
>
> I'M SCREAMING WITH FRUSTRATION IN HERE - I CAN'T GET OUT!!!!!!! :(
> Toner Express (A'Asia) Pty Ltd
> Phone: 1800 061 334
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Subject: aus-wx: Bendigo weather
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:29:10 PST
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Hi everyone,
Line of storms hit Bendigo just after 1600 EDT. Lots of CG's
including one that hit the central spire of the Sacred Heart
Cathedral,(highest structure in Bendigo) only a few hundred metres from
my place. Boy can they scary when they are that close! Not a lot of
rain, 5.6 mm in 15 mins. No other interesting storm phenomena observed.
Rod
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: a QLD Snow story
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:36:12 PST
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Hi Lindsay,
If you could e-mail me you postal address I can send you a
copy (BoM inhouse publication), as I don't have a scanner.
Rod Aikman
>I'd be interested in any details you have Rodney.
>
>
>Lindsay
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:52:09 PST
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Hi Kevin,
Just wish there were more days like that in Bendigo.
Rod
>Hi every1,
>
>Nothing happening here at the moment (7.30 p.m.)...some towers went up
>about 4.30 but collapsed just as fast. There seemed to be more action
to
>the south but no cirrus...a little bit humid (for here) but no real
>'feel' about it. I just hope tomorrow is as good as the LI's indicate.
>
>BTW, Rod, I remember it snowed in Bendigo May 31. 1977.! I watched it
>from the second floor at Bendigo High School in my Geography class
(year
>11)!!
>
>Kevin.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:59:59 +1100
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From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Darwin pics
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Hi all,
I have a few photos taken in Darwin by my father last October. There is a
series of shots showing an enormous thuderstorm WSW of Darwin on the 14th
October. The images are towards the bottom of this page:
http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/recd08.htm
There were actually two storms that afternoon - the one to the WSW and
another (which looks weaker later on in the sequence) to the north of Darwin
regards, Michael
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW Snow story
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:28:56 +1100
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An Aunty of mine that has always lived in the Hill End - Orange - Bathurst
areas says that the first year she moved to Bathurst in the early 1950's it
snowed at least once in every month from May to October on one particular
year.
Michael
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>Lindsay here,
>
>I was talking to a local at the Blackheath Tennis club and he said that
>they had 18 inches(unpacked) of snow some time in the sixties. He can't
>remember when but he remembers the snow being up to his knees! Also
>numerous stories from the locals re common three to six inch falls
>throughout the fifties and sixties and seventies too.
>
>We also had six inches or more a number of times in the 80's but whilst
>still getting some good fun falls and even some moderately heavy ones in
>the nineties, there is definately less snow falling in this decade. They
>had a few inches fall in August '96 which covered everything with a
>blanket of white as it was very wet and fell at around 0 to 2 degrees.
>It looked heavier than it was because of this. Couple of seasons ago we
>had
>snow in novmember covering the waratahs!
>
>Has anyone seen those snow trend graphs for the snowie mountains from
>the 1930's up until now? They are interesting.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 03:46:40 -0800 (PST)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
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Hi Anthony and everyone
I agree, they (waterspouts) should loose the 'water' part when they
cross land.
>From what I have read of past vigorous waterspouts (of the
misocyclonic variety) they tend to occur over relatively warm (">21oC)
ocean waters in the presence of a trough or low such as the one which
was just off the NSW coast at the time. When they make landfall maybe
'landspout' is the go. Still, I'm surpised it was reported as
waterspout on the radio and not one of those other names.
Regards
David
---Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> Hi David...Lennox is the place where it was reported...but from the
> pictures the media showed, it was on a hill...and in my belief, a
> waterspout cannot cross land without dissipating (spelling!) but I've
> heard a few people argue otherwise.
>
> Anthony
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:42:59 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW storms today?
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Sorry, I have misinterpreted the message Anthony originally sent. My
message related to the funnel itself moving inland. I cannot comment on
this water transfer though.
Jimmy Deguara
At 03:46 AM 3/2/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Anthony and everyone
>
>I agree, they (waterspouts) should loose the 'water' part when they
>cross land.
>
>>From what I have read of past vigorous waterspouts (of the
>misocyclonic variety) they tend to occur over relatively warm (">21oC)
>ocean waters in the presence of a trough or low such as the one which
>was just off the NSW coast at the time. When they make landfall maybe
>'landspout' is the go. Still, I'm surpised it was reported as
>waterspout on the radio and not one of those other names.
>
>Regards
>
>David
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: record N Qld rain?
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:11:12 +1000
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Hi all, James from Brisbane here
A recent news report from the ABC news: ...take a look at the last paragraph
especially
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Record rainfall figures for far north
Tuesday 2 March, 1999 (11:14am AEDT)
Rainfall figures for the last month are showing that far north Queensland is
in the grip of a true wet season.
Several towns have recorded their highest February rainfall figures in
history.
The wettest town in the far north last month was Topaz, a small community
south-west of Cairns.
Topaz received just under 1,500 millimetres of rain, two-and-a-half times
its February average.
The Greenhaven testing station recorded just over 1,000 millimetres of rain,
more than double its February average of 450 millimetres.
The only other town in the far north to break the metre mark was Babinda -
the wettest town in the country.
It recorded 1,078 millimetres but was well below its stunning February
record of 2,655 millimetres set in 1977.
And the wettest spot in the region was once again the ABC transmitter on the
top of Mt Bellenden Ker which recorded two and a half metres of rain in
February - with 1,800 millimetres falling in the two days surrounding
Cyclone Rona.
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....Over 1800mm in 2 days? It would be nice to know if thats an official
BoM observation and if it was, it would have to make some sort of record for
2days of rain or even 24hrs, depending on the 2day rainfall break down.
Does anyone know if that was official? Its the first I've heard of it.
See ya later,
regards
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James Chambers
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:11:07 +1100
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From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: waterspout at Lennox Head/NSW
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Does anyone know the source of the report?
Halden Boyd works for ABC based at Lismore, so if he has anything to do
with it, you can thank him for the correct description being relayed.
I know the Lennox Head area very well (its just 10km north of Ballina) and
the funnel would not have to last long to hit houses on the hills, as the
hills are right on the coast.
>From images I've seen of waterspouts, most would consist mainly of a
condensation funnel, rather than much in the way of water. So the
circulation would not necassarily die as soon as it crosses onto land.
There have been many documented cases of waterspouts crossing onto land and
causing considerable damage. Although the sea temp plays a part, there has
to be a significant circulation from surface to cloud base for one to occur.
regards, Michael
At 03:46 2/03/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Anthony and everyone
>
>I agree, they (waterspouts) should loose the 'water' part when they
>cross land.
>
>>From what I have read of past vigorous waterspouts (of the
>misocyclonic variety) they tend to occur over relatively warm (">21oC)
>ocean waters in the presence of a trough or low such as the one which
>was just off the NSW coast at the time. When they make landfall maybe
>'landspout' is the go. Still, I'm surpised it was reported as
>waterspout on the radio and not one of those other names.
>
>Regards
>
>David
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