From                                           Subject
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001 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Storm Chase
002 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]             sydney..
003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Snow
004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   NSW Snow story
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Mobile phone fraud
006 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]    Mobile phone fraud
007 Amy Louise [critalgi at melbpc.org.au]            intro
008 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]     intro
009 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]        Lightning Protection
010 Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]                  Welcome Amy
011 Amy Louise [critalgi at melbpc.org.au]            more intro
012 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]              Sydney ASWA meeting 13/03/99
013 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]         Mobile phone fraud
014 bgroughan at telstra.easymail.com.au              Lightning Protection
015 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Todays chase ( bust ) 7th March 1999
016 "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]               Intro

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 07:53:57 +1100
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Storm Chase
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Hi Jimmy here,

A storm chase is on for a chance of storms in the upper Hunter. Michael
Bath and I are meeting Michael Thompson at Singleton. If you want to tag
along, get a move on.

Michael's mobile is 0412145710

Let's hope things get going.

Jimmy Deguara
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Jimmy Deguara
Vice President ASWA
from Schofields, Sydney
e-mail:  jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
homepage with Michael Bath
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/

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Ill be heading out to Rooty Hill at about 11.30am if anyone wants to meet
me there you are most welcome, hopefully we might get something today.I
rang Michael Bath and Jimmy but they were already on there way up to the
hunter, and my stupid alarm clock didnt go off :(
Anyway mail me back on the list or turn up at rooty hill between 11.30 and
12 and we can see what we can see..

Matt Smith

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 03:51:25 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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According to my stats from various sources, Mt Cannob is only 1397
mtrs,(about 4,500 feet?) still high for around here though. It looks
more like a high hill than a mountain because of the surrounding high
plateau. Indeed it is a great place to view weather but can often be
covered in mist. Camped up there in late spring and summer, it's just
great. Chains can be required in winter. Can get very windy too as
evidenced by the position of the trees!

Lindsay


Michael Scollay wrote:
> 


> Mt Conabolas is over 1500m. I recall verbal reports from the Telstra
> (Telecom) techs who worked there back in the late 1980's of some very
> wild weather including snow and ice that brought down radio wave-guides,
> chipping built-up ice from microwave dishes, lightning strikes
> extraordinare that lit up the equipment room like a Christmas tree etc.
> Best thing to do if you want stories is to pay a visit and ask. They
> might even put you onto some retirees who'd be glad to descibe their
> experiences. My guess is that this hill, being so exposed, is in an
> excellent position from which to view storms and experience them
> first-hand:-)
> 
> Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 03:42:59 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Thanks Michael,

WE get quite a few variations of snow etc up here. Clear small pellets,
shards of clear/opaque ice, large flakes of snow and sometimes the
smaller dryer ones.

Michael Scollay wrote:

> This is my understanding of various term's use in Oz...
> 
> Snow: That classic six-sided structural stuff all stuck together.
> In Oz, that seems a little rare in the Snowy's since the structure
> usually has the stuffing knocked out of it by high winds:-)
> 
> Sleet: Little balls of soft hail formed when a snowflake melts then
> refreezes. Sometimes called "sago". Some sort of snowflake structure
> can still be seen.
> 
> Wet Snow: Same as snow, but wet and melting.
> 
> Glaze: This is aussie ice-storms of a different sort formed when
> super-cooled water droplets in low cloud freeze onto an exposed
> surface, usually the leeward side. I've only experienced a true
> ice storm once which was formed by freezing rain. Temp was -4C
> in Perisher and +2 at Mt Kosciuzco (new spelling?). A thunderstorm
> rolled in with rain up top that froze to sheet ice down low.
> 
> Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 03:33:04 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Pardon my ignorance.

Chain mail?


Lindsay


Chris Maunder wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting point actually.
> 
> I was wondering if it might be wise to enforce a policy of "no chain mails"
> for this mailling list - unless of course a particular incident has b

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I send it to you, you send it on to someone else, who sends it on etc.  Original
chain mail letters contained some kind of threat - like all your relatives will
suffer from shoe eating sock syndrome for the next fifty years if you 'break the
chain'.  Many of them included the need to send a 'gift' of some kind to the last
person, add your name to the bottom of the list, and in 3 weeks or so should
receive 600 tea-towels!  Hmm They never worked, but boy oh boy, was the PMG
happy:-)

Cheers,

Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au

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> Pardon my ignorance.
>
> Chain mail?

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:01:47 -0600
From: Amy Louise [critalgi at melbpc.org.au]
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Hi! just thought I'd introduce myself since I'm new to this list. My name's
Amy, I'm 16 and I'm from Melbourne. I'm probably, no doubt, the youngest
person on this list, but it looked like a good idea to join. I've been
interested in meterology (severe weather exp) since I was about tiny since my
dad has the same intrest in weather and drilled it into me. ::laughs:: I'm
hoping to work at the NSSL in OK, USA some day but until them I'm happy here
in Melbourne, teaching myself since I don't attend any school. Well, I think
that's about all. But it's great to meet you all. :-)

Take care,

Amy

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:38:07 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi Amy,

It's great to see another young person on the list, I only just turned
17 myself last Thursday, which means I'm no longer the youngest person
on this list - yay!!! :)

I'm sure you'll soon find out about a new organisation...ASWA
(Australian Severe Weather Assoc.) Jane is one of the co-ordinators for
the Victorian branch, her email is tonex at rubix.com.au and if you're
interested, give her a quick email and I'm sure she'll be more tyhen
happy to give you the details.

If you have any questions just ask :)

Anthony from Brisbane

Amy Louise wrote:
> 
> Hi! just thought I'd introduce myself since I'm new to this list. My name's
> Amy, I'm 16 and I'm from Melbourne. I'm probably, no doubt, the youngest
> person on this list, but it looked like a good idea to join. I've been
> interested in meterology (severe weather exp) since I was about tiny since my
> dad has the same intrest in weather and drilled it into me. ::laughs:: I'm
> hoping to work at the NSSL in OK, USA some day but until them I'm happy here
> in Melbourne, teaching myself since I don't attend any school. Well, I think
> that's about all. But it's great to meet you all. :-)
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Amy

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Hi Michael!

Hehehe...right on with lightning protection!
Reminded me of the answer to a US question about making houses 
tornado-proof...the reply was

..."Yes, it can be done...but five-inch thick concrete steel-reinforced 
domes with no windows buried in six metres of earth will probably never 
be popular.."

I guess we should just take the point that storm-chasing is inherently 
quite dangerous and take sensible precautions!

Kevin from Wycheproof.

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From: Dane Newman [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Welcome Amy
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:03:15 +1100
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Amy, great to have you onboard, welcome to aussie-weather. Great to have another Melbourne person on the list. Dane Newman Kilsyth. Ps were abouts in Melbourne do you live?   

-----Original Message-----
Hi! just thought I'd introduce myself since I'm new to this list. My name's
Amy, I'm 16 and I'm from Melbourne. I'm probably, no doubt, the youngest
person on this list, but it looked like a good idea to join. I've been
interested in meterology (severe weather exp) since I was about tiny since my
dad has the same intrest in weather and drilled it into me. ::laughs:: I'm
hoping to work at the NSSL in OK, USA some day but until them I'm happy here
in Melbourne, teaching myself since I don't attend any school. Well, I think
that's about all. But it's great to meet you all. :-)

Take care,

Amy

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:44:26 -0600
From: Amy Louise [critalgi at melbpc.org.au]
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Thanks for all your welcomes! Wow. It's nice to have that. :-) I guess I was
right about being the youngest. ::laughs:: btw, happy belated birthday anthony!
I'm from Endeavour Hills in the s-e suburbs of melbourne. Just down from the
dandenong ranges or about 7km's out of Dandenong itself.
I'd appreciate the info on the meeting Jane. Thanks. :-)
My ICQ # is 32553130 and I also have AIM and my SN on that is: imarspirit so
stop by and say hi if you'd like. :-)
Thanks again for the welcome. :-) I'm glad I signed up!

Cheers,

Amy

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:14:39 -0800 (PST)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney ASWA meeting 13/03/99
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Hi Michael

I finally replaced my old camcorder-VCR connectors today and
transferred two chases across to VHS. They are for the 19/1 and 4/3.
On the subject of the 4/3, there were two dominant cells in the lower
Hunter. I am certain that at least one of those cells was a supercell.
I did not get close enough to chase it but I photographed and shot
some brief video of the main updraft from around 30km away. The
updraft was phenomenal and did punch well above the anvil. I'll see
what you guys think. The other cell, which I chased, was very intense.
I wasn't sure of the storm type but I am pretty sure what I
photographed was a wall cloud (I've never seen a rotating one b4). It
was a bit ragged, and I only had a 10 second window to photograph it
(I was on the freeway as it crossed behing me) but it was rotating and
it was right on the NW flank.

See you saturday


David 




---Michael Bath  wrote:
>
> An ASWA meeting will be held at 2KY building in Wentworth St,
Parramatta
> commencing at 10am on Sat 13th March 1999.
> 
> If you would further information or would like to suggest topics for
> discussion please email me separately to the list.
> 
> regards, Michael
> ASWA President

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:34:24 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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..and the Fraud Squad...

Nandina Morris wrote:

> I send it to you, you send it on to someone else, who sends it on etc.
 Original chain mail letters contained some kind of threat - like all your
relatives will suffer from shoe eating sock syndrome for the next fifty years
if you 'break the chain'.  Many of them included the need to send a 'gift' of
some kind to the last person, add your name to the bottom of the list, and in
3 weeks or so should receive 600 tea-towels!  Hmm They never worked, but boy
oh boy, was the PMG happy:-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nandina
> nandina at alphalink.com.au

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From: bgroughan at telstra.easymail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Re: aus-wx: Lightning Protection
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:46:03 +1100
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Hi all
There was an electrical storm in the Hawkesbury area sometime last summer,I was 
outside watching how it was going ,in the barn which of course is covered with
corrugated iron.The lightening was getting quite fierce and not wanting to run
across to the house with three very large gum trees above I thought I would stay
put,just at that moment the hairs stood on the back of my neck(what an eerie
feeling)before I had time to think what to do there was an all mighty crack of
lightening,which left my ears ringing ,somewhere behind the barn even though it
was largly out of sight it momentaraly blinded me Afterwards I looked to see if
it struck anything but could see no evidence.Does anyone know how close you need
to be to feel the static of a lightening strike?
Regards Brian.


Anthony,

I doubt the tripod is going to attract the lightning any more than any
other object in the immediate area. It is really a tiny target for a
discharge. I am far more concerned with being the highest target in an open
area, than to consider the tripod as a conductor and attracting the next
bolt. For example, when we were in a fairly open field (just a few trees
around) west of Moree on 29/1, we became aware of hairs standing on end,
and quickly sought 'safety' in the car. And I note Paul M encountering this
last night too.

Does your tripod have rubber pads at the base of each leg? This may often
some protection, but end the end it comes down to whether the least
resistance is occurring where you are, and if so, you're in trouble. I
consider trees, poles, houses or other structures fixed into the earth to
be the most likely targets of strikes.

regards,

Michael Bath





Anthony Cornelius  on 05/03/99 08:25:14 AM


Hi all,

Ok...my parents bought me a tripod for my birthday (thanks for the email
Narelle lol) and dad mentioned to becareful with it because it is
metal.  Anyway, I was wondering (excuse me if this sounds really stupid)
if I were to wrap the exposed metal parts with a thick plastic, or some
other non-conductor, would that reduce the possibility of lightning
being attracted to the tripod?  Or would the tripod still readily
release 'streamers' if there was a large negative charge overhead...

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help,

Anthony Cornelius

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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Todays chase ( bust ) 7th March 1999
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Today we ( Jimmy Deguara / Michael Bath / myself ) had a mega bust chase,
clocked 850km (over 550 miles ) to see one bolt of lightning, I had
a gut feeling that it would be risky, as when I left Shellharbour at 8am the
SE ( storm eradicator ) wind change had already moved through, and rain was
falling from middle layer junk. We thought that if we got far enough north
we would leave the cloud behind and have sunshine for towers, it nearly went
that way, by 1pm we were in broken cloud and the front was behind us. We
pulled over at a town called Quirindi on the North West slopes which was as
far north as we could risk and still get home at a reasonable time the same
day. In the 1 hour we were there a promising cell was forming to the NW, but
the wind shear was too chaotic, W at ground, NW at cloud base, a odd ball
east at about 3000-5000m, and W then NW again, what happened was the storm
bases were being separated from their weak anvils. Then the wind change
caught us and killed off any fresh growth. On our way back home we saw a
magnificent line of anvils to the eastern side of the divide, possibly from
Port Macquarie northwards ( we chased west ), to be fair they would have
been out of reach anyway.

Ran into very light rain on the way home which made the road greasy, saw two
single car accidents on the F3 freeway north of Sydney, in both cases the
drivers just speared off the road, one unfortunately right into a solid rock
cliff. A sobering reminder of largest risk with storm chasing.

Heavier rain and some low cloud along the Illawarra escarpment in the last
hour home.

Regards
Michael

Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com

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From: "Marty" [martyp at dynamite.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Intro
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:15:23 +1100
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Hi everyone,

After reading Amy's introduction I felt compelled to do the same. I joined
the list about four or five days ago.

I live Brisbane (Toombul, to fellow Brisbanites) and moved up here only two
months ago from Canberra where lightning was rather a rare occurence. I am
25 years of age, and work afternoon shift (midday till 9 or 10pm) - exactly
the wrong time for this cause! I've been frustrated on more than one
occasion wanting to get out of work because of storm action outside!

I only really started photographing lightning when I bought my first SLR
35mm camera about two years ago, although I've had a life-long fascination.

I thought I'd done some serious driving around chasing storms (about 200kms
one evening), but Michael Thompson's (and Jimmy Deguara's & Michael Bath's)
mammoth excursion put me back in my place! Wow, 850kms - and only for one
lightning bolt... I feel for you! A great reminder also to take care on the
roads during the obviously hazardous conditions.

When people mention their locations I'm always eager to pull out the map and
follow their tracks. For the benefit of interstate readers, when you mention
a suburb, could you also mention the city?

There seem to be quite a few posts from people in the Hunter District. Where
abouts is the Hunter? I need to get myself a map which includes shires.

Ciao!

Marty.