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001 David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]              Severe storms Netherlands + AMOS meet.
002 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Severe storms Netherlands + AMOS meet.
003 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]          Fwd: Re: storms
004 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]         Can this be believed?
005 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Severe storms Netherlands + AMOS meet.
006 "Grant Boyden" [boyden at zeta.org.au]            Media Has Helped
007 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Can this be believed?
008 "Rod Aikman" [raikman at hotmail.com]             More welcome rain

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Croan [bustchase at yahoo.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Severe storms Netherlands + AMOS meet.
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Hi everyone.

I was interested to find a page which has some severe storm reports (of
sorts) from the Netherlands + links to what seem to be a few other
chaser pages (my Dutch is of the double variety so I can't read much of
it). One particular storm, a classic supercell at the time given the
hook echo which is apparent on radar, occurred on June 6 1998 and
produced hail to 10 cm and a tornado (no pics!): 

http://haven.www.cistron.nl/06june98.htm

Also, on one of the linked sites, I found a few photos of a shelf cloud
ahead of what may have been a squall line - looks pretty impressive
too:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5549/severe.html

(one of the Dutch sites did link to the ASW URL and to those of a few
other aussie storm related sites)

When I was in Germany a few years back (August 96) there were several
consecutive days of storms, one storm in particular, which moved
through the Berlin area, had a really spectacular gustfront with
intense lightning and a dense precipitation curtain - looked severe.
Since then I have always wondered how western Europe fared in terms of
severe thunderstorm events compared with eastern Australia. Based on
the model data I have been looking at, it would seem that our spring
summer atmosphere is more often conducive to deep convection but I
guess wherever the right conditions come together you will get some
some significant storms, as was the case there on the 6/6 (there is a
modified sounding for the day in question on one of the sites - I think
CAPE was around 2500 J/kg).

Just on the Sydney AMOS weatherwatch meeting, it was a great
presentation by Rob Webb. As an aside I asked him what areas he
considered severe storm 'hot spots' (i was thinking in terms of chase
destination and expecting him to say around the
Tamworth-Tenterfield-Moree-Coonabarabran box); he mentioned Sydney,
Hunter Valley and the Grafton area. Despite some recent dry years, it
is quite incredible when you consider the frequency of severe storms
which move over the relatively small Sydney basin. Certainly, and all
in the last 9 years, Sydney has had the three most damaging
thunderstorms on record in Australia with only the 1985 Brisbane storm
approaching the same destructive magnitude - pretty amazing stuff. 

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:58:18 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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David Croan wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> I was interested to find a page which has some severe storm reports (of
> sorts) from the Netherlands + links to what seem to be a few other
> chaser pages (my Dutch is of the double variety so I can't read much of
> it). One particular storm, a classic supercell at the time given the
> hook echo which is apparent on radar, occurred on June 6 1998 and
> produced hail to 10 cm and a tornado (no pics!):
>
> http://haven.www.cistron.nl/06june98.htm

Aha - This was a split classic supercell which dumped golfball sized hail from
the right hand cell. Caused a lot of excitement at the time - the second
supercell in Europe in 5 years! This baby was set off by seabreeze front
convergance.

>
> Since then I have always wondered how western Europe fared in terms of
> severe thunderstorm events compared with eastern Australia.

Western Europe can and does get severe weather - with hot  moist air from the
Medditeranean, elevated areas of dry air from the Russian Steppes, moist
unstable Arctic air and warm moist air from the central Atlantic all this and
a jet stream aloft most of the year round makes the whole of Western Europe
severe weather prone. There is no definate "chase season" as such - tornadoes
can be spawned at any time but are usually weak. We also have the problem of
lack of data - weather is an official secret both in the UK and the NATO
countries - no friendly NWS or BoM here! We also have a poor and congested
road network  and extortionate fuel prices these make the european
stormchasers lot not a happy one!

The UK can get 33 tornadoes a year, on average, and parts of Europe can also
get severe weather - there was a supercell in Switzerland in 1993.

The attitude of the media here leaves a lot to be desired "freak" is the usual
word used. Which it isn't.


At the beginning of this year there was a T7 (F3) tornado in France - AHEAD of
a cold front. Had supercell written all over it.

Last week (22/5)  there was an MCS in the Midlands (Birmingham)  - rotation,
pea sized hail, brilliant gustfronts, continuous CGs but no tornadoes.

Today (28/5) at Wallsend there was a brilliant gust front as a severe
multicell passed over - torrential rain and CG at about 4 a minute!

> Based on
> the model data I have been looking at, it would seem that our spring
> summer atmosphere is more often conducive to deep convection but I
> guess wherever the right conditions come together you will get some
> some significant storms, as was the case there on the 6/6 (there is a
> modified sounding for the day in question on one of the sites - I think
> CAPE was around 2500 J/kg).

Sounds about right - higher CAPEs have been reported.

Les

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:28:31 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Re: storms
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Hi everyone,

Jimmy here. I am sorry to say that the following high resolution ASWA pics
are not available until later on. Read the following interesting e-mail below.

I wish there was some way of doing it. If it were disk space, then yes we
could host it but CPU....

Can anyone help with this??

PLEASE DO NOT SEND E-MAIL TO THE PERSON INVOLVED. I WILL ACT ON THIS BASED
ON YOUR RESPONSES.

Jimmy Deguara


>Hi Jimmy,
>
>> I have just been .. wondering if those spectacular images are still
>> available. 
>
>I shut it down early this week, sorry to say, will reopen it later this year.
>I'd been watching the log files and the site was getting much fewer hits so
>I decided to pull the plug on it for a while. Resources namely CPU are really
>tight, so I'm having to wind back on non-core (read FREE) services. Now of
>course if you guys could find $4160 per year ($80 per week) I could run the
>full resolution service in all its glory. If ASWA were the client, I'd leave
>it up to you to decide to make it public and free or not.
>
>sorry again I had to shut it down
>
>cheers
>
>kimbo
>
>PS you've been the only person to contact me to ask what's up.

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from Schofields, Sydney
e-mail:  jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
homepage with Michael Bath

http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/

Australian Severe Weather Association  home information page

http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:58:05 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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On checking the web site below and looking at the 6 day surface chart
prediction 
there is a forecast of a 'cutting-off' low forming near Adelaide and
moving northeast.
I am a bit skeptical that this will happen but if it does, I think we'll
get a major cold and wet outbreak over SE Australia (another ECL from a
different direction!)
There's also another tropical depression in the Coral Sea.
Anyone have any thoughts?
(I looked at this site after GASP (the coloured version) went off the
air again)
(I couldn't create a direct link to this so you will need to type it in
separately.)
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http://grads.iges.org/pix/aus.fcst.html
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:15:16 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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David Croan wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> I was interested to find a page which has some severe storm reports (of
> sorts)

If you look at:

http://www.torro.org.uk/

there are quite a few pages and reports linked as regards European severe
weather events - this is the only website in Europe that pretty well has them
all in one place.

Also:

http://www.met.hu

(Hungary) had a severe weather section under construction if you thought Dutch
was bad, try Hungarian!! NB Hungary gets one tornado every ten years or so but
they get plenty of the wet stuff dumped. There are photographs on this website
from one of their metmen stormchasing in the USA (obviously never heard of NSW
)

Chuck Doswell on his website has an analysis of two severe weather events in
Spain - again LI's and CAPE values approach those found in NSW.

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From: "Grant Boyden" [boyden at zeta.org.au]
To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Media Has Helped
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:01:19 +1000
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As a member of the media, I would just like to point out how much the media
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When you take into account these changes the Media has made over the years
you can well understand that any member that has read the e-mails of late
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:09:04 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Keith..

I wouldn't believe it myself no, any model forecast more than 72 hours
out is to be treated with caution, and when you get into the 120 and 144
hour forecasts you can pretty much say it's "dreamcasting" more than
"forecasting".. I have also found in my experience with the models over
the past 7-8 months that MRF is notorious for being 'wild' outside 120
hours, and even over 72 hours at times.. It would be a good idea to
follow the situation this model is forecasting, and watch how much the
forecast will change leading up to it.. 

Keith Barnett wrote:
> 
> On checking the web site below and looking at the 6 day surface chart
> prediction
> there is a forecast of a 'cutting-off' low forming near Adelaide and
> moving northeast.
> I am a bit skeptical that this will happen but if it does, I think we'll
> get a major cold and wet outbreak over SE Australia (another ECL from a
> different direction!)
> There's also another tropical depression in the Coral Sea.
> Anyone have any thoughts?
> (I looked at this site after GASP (the coloured version) went off the
> air again)
> (I couldn't create a direct link to this so you will need to type it in
> separately.)
> ---------------------------------------
> http://grads.iges.org/pix/aus.fcst.html
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From: "Rod Aikman" [raikman at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: More welcome rain
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:43:56 EST
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Hi everyone,
           More good soaking rain today. These are the amounts recorded in 
my rain gauge today:
       up to 9.00am  3.8mm
   9.00am to 6.00pm 27.4mm
   6.00pm to 9.00pm  6.4mm
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Total               37.6mm

A rather cold day with a maximum temp of 10.5 deg.

Rod Aikman
Bendigo Vic


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