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001 Kevin Phyland [kjphyland at hotmail.com] High Pressure etc...
002 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Updates to MSC
003 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
004 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Frosty morning
005 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Frosty morning
006 "McDonald" [mcdonald at one.net.au] Snowfalls
007 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Frosty morning
008 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Frosty morning
009 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Snowfalls
010 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
011 Max [mnk at zip.com.au] Frosty morning
012 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Re: Virus Warning!
013 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Journalistic turns of phrase
014 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Journalistic turns of phrase (2)
015 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Journalistic turns of phrase
016 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Re: Virus Warning!
017 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] Snowfalls
018 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Snowfalls
019 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Journalistic turns of phrase
020 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Updates to MSC
021 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Journalistic turns of phrase
022 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Frosty morning
023 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Melbourne Last Night
024 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Winter
025 Paul Graham [v_notch at hotmail.com] Lowest Recorded Temperature
026 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] T shirts
027 Rod Aikman [raikman at hotmail.com] Frosty morning; cold bleak day
028 David Hart [dhart at world.std.com] Re: Virus Warning!
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001
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From: Kevin Phyland [kjphyland at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: High Pressure etc...
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:21:10 EST
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Hi Blair,
Hmmnn...I was only little when I recall this...but when I was asked by my
Geography teacher in 1973 or 1974 (I'll hunt the exact dates up) to collect
weather maps from the paper, I recall an enormously strong anticyclone
centred about Tasmania. It was 1040 with a fair hole in the middle...I don't
think it was anywhere near 1046 but I wouldn't mind betting 1043 wasn't
impossible...confirmation?
Kevin from Wycheproof.
>From: Blair Trewin
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heres Hoping........
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:37:45 +1000 (EST)
>
> >
> > I'm just going through my hand-copied (from the newspaper) charts for
> > June 1967 .There was:
> > 1.On 1st June, following a weak cold front, high pressure slow moving
> > over southeast Australia and Tasmania (when it got as high as 1046mb
> > east of Hobart, a figure which I believe may be in dispute), with an
> > inland trough over western Qld which triggered an east coast low off the
> > mid-North Qld coast. moving south..these latter developments occurred
> > from 4th and the high persisted in the south Tasman until the 16th with
> > the low recurving toward the central NSW coast briefly on the 16th.
>
>Highest pressures from various Tasmanian stations from this event:
>
>Launceston Airport 1044.3
>Hobart 1043.6
>Eddystone Point 1042.7
>Low Head 1042.5
>Flinders Island 1042.5
>Smithton 1041.7
>
>Given the Low Head and Eddystone obs Launceston seems a little high
>to me (and the conversion to sea level tables in use at the time
>would have been severely tested), although not outrageously so.
>I don't think the data justifies a 1046 hPa isobar, but 1044+ is
>certainly on (either way it's the highest in Australia in the digital
>database).
>
>There are only two other instances since 1957 of 1040+ over a wide
>area of land in Australia, the most notable being 7-8 July 1987 over
>southern NSW and eastern Victoria (peaking at 1042.9 at Canberra - with
>the caveats that always apply to sea-level pressure at such an
>altitude). The other one was 27-28 May 1972 over western Victoria, SE
>SA and King Island. (1040 has been touched locally on a few other
>occasions, such as June 1997 (Canberra), May 1973 (Adelaide) and
>July 1951 (Kalgoorlie)).
>
>Blair Trewin
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:42:47 +1000
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A couple of updates tonight for the MSC site:
Clyve Herbert's hypothesis for the Sydney hailstorm which he presented at
our meeting can be found at
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/14_4_99.htm
ASWA Victoria's test page titled "June 1999, Forecast Outlook, Discussion &
Report Page" - this is in its testing phase, but we're pretty pleased with
the interest it's generated...please feel free to join in.
To get your thoughts up there just drop me an email or an ICQ (4496048) &
I'll get the relevant information up there.
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/june.htm
Both pages are now accessible from the MSC homepage - Rocky...apologies for
not having the links there for you this afternoon!!
Jane ONeill
Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
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Sounds very similar to roll cloud, but what of the rain? Could it be
possibe the roll cloud he observed condenced enough to cause rain and gale
force winds.
Very good story though Phil....
At 23:02 10/06/99 +0930, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Got this interesting historic account from the 'James Craig' restoration
>page (she's a historic 3 masted barque being restored in Sydney).
>
>Would anybody care to guess what kind of met. phenomenon is being described
>here?? (my guess is some kind of roll cloud al la the gulf 'Morning
>Glory', but then there's the rain??...)
>
>
>
>
>
>Captain J. Maitland Thompson, formerly a crew member aboard James Craig,
>resided in South Australia, was
>of immense help to the Museum in its research for the restoration of
>James Craig. Here is a dramatic
>occurrence from his experiences on the James Craig.
>
>
>In 1920, when I was Able Seaman in the barque James Craig, we were running
>before a very stiff breeze from the south west on a voyage from Adelaide to
>Auckland, New Zealand. The yards were not quite square. We were doing at
>least eight knots with a clear cloudless sky; it was just breaking day.
>
>Steering by compass, I occasionally lifted my eyes to the horizon and
>suddenly, I noticed a dark patch of cloud rising above the sky line. As it
>rose it seemed to take the form of a wide band, with a clear sky behind it.
>
>Mr Carver, the mate, was close by, and I drew his attention to it. He walked
>to the mizzen rigging and stood gazing ahead. After a time he suddenly
>called for 'all hands on deck'. The very urgency of his voice prompted
>immediate response, and all hands came tumbling out over the wash sill of
>the crew's deckhouse.
>
>The next order was 'lee-fore'brace', with Mr Carver going to the weather
>braces to slack them away as the lee braces were hauled in; then the main
>braces, until the yards were close hauled on the starboard tack. We were
>still headed east with the wind on the starboard quarter.
>
>I was having a very difficult task in keeping the ship on course because of
>the set of the sails. Now Mr Carver began shortening sail, letting every
>upper sail fly.
>
>Leaving the crew to clew up as best they could, he came and stood by me and
>ordered me to 'down helm' gently. By now this strange phenomenon was fast
>approaching and we realised that is was an area of hurricane force wind
>stretching from horizon to horizon. As it neared us, what had been our fair
>wind gradually died, and a peculiar ripple took over on the surface of the
>sea. With a crack that shook the ship from stern to stern, we were struck by
>this great force with its blinding rain, travelling in the exact opposite
>direction to our previous fair wind.
>
>Owing to the brilliant seamanship of Mr Carver, we were not caught aback,
>but were now almost hove-to on the starboard tack. Two of the upper sails
>which had not been clewed up were torn to shreds.
>
>We lay like this, while this terrific force of wind and rain passed on and
>beyond us. Nearing its passing it blew lighter, and when it had passed
>astern altogether, the sea again rippled and quickly settled down, and the
>wind took up its former direction. The ship was paid off and we again
>resumed our former steady course.
>
>As quickly as it had approached us, the streak of devastation passed away
>astern and disappeared beyond the horizon.
>
>When we had settled down, I asked Mr Carver if he had ever before
>experienced such an extraordinary happening. He replied that he hadn't, but
>he had remembered an 'old salt' telling him of a similar occurrence which
>happened in the same area many years before.
>
>As I turned away, he remarked that he was thankful that it had happened in
>daylight. In the dark, he felt that surely we would have been demasted.
>
>Over the years I have asked a number of meteorologists about it. None has
>ever heard of such an event, and few believed me.
>
>Captain J. Maitland Thompson
>
>
>
>Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
>paisley at cobweb.com.au
>www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley
>
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Frosty morning
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:40:42 +1000
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Frosty across most of Victoria with many inland centres recording below 0 temperatures this morning. Here in Kilsyth we had our first below 0 morning this year with the temperature dropping to minus 0.3c. Even the bit of rain water 0.2mm in the rain guage was still frozen at 9am. Dane
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:46:47 +1000
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frosty morning
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Yes we had another frost for the year. The first since the May cold outbreak
Jimmy Deguara
At 09:40 12/06/99 +1000, you wrote:
>
> �Frosty across most of Victoria with many inland centres recording below 0
> temperatures this morning. Here in Kilsyth we had our first below 0 morning
> this year with the temperature dropping to minus 0.3c. Even the bit of rain
> water 0.2mm in the rain guage was still frozen at� 9am. Dane�
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Subject: aus-wx: Snowfalls
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:04:13 +1000
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Hi All,
I was just curious to know what the sea level snow fall thickness was.
This is due to the AVN forecast thickness of less than 530 for Melbourne on
Monday. This looks to be a significant cold outbreak heading our way which
will hopefully go better than the one we had on the 15th of May. Check out
the MSC discussion for updates.
http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/june.htm
Andrew McDonald (macca)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:48:52 +1000
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Hi all,
My dad rang me this morning (at the unheard of hour of 8:30am!! hehe) to
tell me they had frost there. He is about 80-100km WSW of Brisbane.
When he woke up, the air temperature was 0C. It was BLOODY COLD
here!!!! 5C at the Brisbane AP, 0C at Amberly, -1 at Kingaroy, -3 at
Stanthorpe and Warwick, -4 at Texas and Oakey...
I've had enough of winter now, where's summer!?
Anthony from Brisbane
> Dane Newman wrote:
>
> Frosty across most of Victoria with many inland centres recording
> below 0 temperatures this morning. Here in Kilsyth we had our first
> below 0 morning this year with the temperature dropping to minus 0.3c.
> Even the bit of rain water 0.2mm in the rain guage was still frozen
> at 9am. Dane
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:56:03 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frosty morning
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My hypothesis is that you need a good cold winter and then you have better
seasons after the storng bastard westerlies ease..
Jimmy Deguara
At 13:48 12/06/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>My dad rang me this morning (at the unheard of hour of 8:30am!! hehe) to
>tell me they had frost there. He is about 80-100km WSW of Brisbane.
>When he woke up, the air temperature was 0C. It was BLOODY COLD
>here!!!! 5C at the Brisbane AP, 0C at Amberly, -1 at Kingaroy, -3 at
>Stanthorpe and Warwick, -4 at Texas and Oakey...
>
>I've had enough of winter now, where's summer!?
>
>Anthony from Brisbane
>
>> Dane Newman wrote:
>>
>> Frosty across most of Victoria with many inland centres recording
>> below 0 temperatures this morning. Here in Kilsyth we had our first
>> below 0 morning this year with the temperature dropping to minus 0.3c.
>> Even the bit of rain water 0.2mm in the rain guage was still frozen
>> at 9am. Dane
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snowfalls
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>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just curious to know what the sea level snow fall thickness was.
> This is due to the AVN forecast thickness of less than 530 for Melbourne on
> Monday. This looks to be a significant cold outbreak heading our way which
> will hopefully go better than the one we had on the 15th of May. Check out
> the MSC discussion for updates.
>
> http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/june.htm
>
> Andrew McDonald (macca)
It varies a bit, but anything below 526 in this sort of situation
opens up the possibility of sea-level snow - whether or not it
actually happens depends on what's happening in the lowest 1000-2000
metres more than events further above. GASP is also in the upper
520s, the EC and UK progs are a bit milder.
I have heard of snow at much higher thicknesses, but most often when
a warm front is advancing into a very cold surface layer (this
sometimes happens in winter in Europe and North America) - snow at
540 is not unknown in such a situation, although it would normally
turn to rain as the warm front becomes more established.
Of course, you need precipitation. Melbourne got down to 519 in August
1997, but it remained dry.
By the way, GASP has sub-516 air reaching Invercargill on Wednesday
night.
Blair Trewin
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From: Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Strange weather phenom. Any Guesses??
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Thanks for the very interesting insights everyone. While I too, have seen
many of these features on active cold fronts, I'm still inclined to take
some kind of undular bore/rollcloud option.
http://www.dropbears.com/brough/
This is indeed a great page. The morning glory is sometimes accompanied by
considerable surface wind/temperature/pressure changes (temporary of
course). Also, two seperate morning glories coming from different
dirrections can collide (!!) and cause thunderstorms and their attendant
rain and gust fronts. Ive seen a photo of a lone roll cloud over Spencers
Gulf in SA (I think its in this site somewhere) absolutely dwarfing a large
tanker ship underneath. Who knows how far these bores can propagate in
sable conditions at sea??
Here in Adelaide the whole atmosphere is screaming approaching active cold
front! May it arrive before dark! The camera is ready.....
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:38:01 +1000
From: Max [mnk at zip.com.au]
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Here Here Anthony!
Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My dad rang me this morning (at the unheard of hour of 8:30am!! hehe) to
> tell me they had frost there. He is about 80-100km WSW of Brisbane.
> When he woke up, the air temperature was 0C. It was BLOODY COLD
> here!!!! 5C at the Brisbane AP, 0C at Amberly, -1 at Kingaroy, -3 at
> Stanthorpe and Warwick, -4 at Texas and Oakey...
>
> I've had enough of winter now, where's summer!?
>
> Anthony from Brisbane
>
> > Dane Newman wrote:
> >
> > Frosty across most of Victoria with many inland centres recording
> > below 0 temperatures this morning. Here in Kilsyth we had our first
> > below 0 morning this year with the temperature dropping to minus 0.3c.
> > Even the bit of rain water 0.2mm in the rain guage was still frozen
> > at 9am. Dane
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:51:02 +0800
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From: Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Re: Virus Warning!
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At 23:18 11/06/99 +0800, you wrote:
> For your reference, take necessary precautions..
>If you receive an e-mail with a file called California, do not open the
>file.
>
>The file contains WOBBLER virus.
>
>WARNING
>This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM.
>AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than
>"Melissa", and that there is NO remedy for it at this time.
>
>Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the reformat function
>from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all documents on
>the hard drive.
>It has been designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
>Internet Explorer.
>It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers.
>
>This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
>
>
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Subject: aus-wx: Journalistic turns of phrase
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From ABC News:
>A Melbourne couple on their way to the snow have had a miraculous escape after crashing their car on Mt Hotham.
>
>The accident happened on the Great Alpine Road at about 11:30pm AEST yesterday.
>
>In pitch black icy conditions their car skidded out of control about six kilometre fromn the summit and went over the edge.
I guess pitch black icy conditions are even more slippery than normal
black icy conditions.
Is anyone keeping a book on journometeorological phraseology?
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Subject: aus-wx: Journalistic turns of phrase (2)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:24:10 GMT
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From the ABC News:
>The Weather Bureau says temperatures have dropped to
> zero degrees in some places, particularly on the Darling
> Downs and Granite Belt.
>
> A senior forecaster says in the South East, temperatures
> are six to seven degrees lower than yesterday's
> temperatures.
Does the Bureau employ any junior forecasters, or just plain
forecasters for that matter?
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:55:43 +0100
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Laurier Williams wrote:
> I guess pitch black icy conditions are even more slippery than normal black icy conditions.
Perhaps what they're trying to say is "black ice at night" it was 1130pm your time... being no stranger to sheet ice on roads
it's really hard to see!
A case of "mini - frost" with the temperatures reaching freezing or just below??
What sort of lowest temperatures do you get in NSW surely -4c is about as low as its going to go...
Les
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:57:29 +0100
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Ira Fehlberg wrote:
> At 23:18 11/06/99 +0800, you wrote:
> > For your reference, take necessary precautions..
> >If you receive an e-mail with a file called California, do not open the
> >file.
> >
> >The file contains WOBBLER virus.
It's a Hoax!!!
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From: "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snowfalls
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:55:29 +1200
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I have heard of snow at much higher thicknesses, but most often when
> a warm front is advancing into a very cold surface layer (this
> sometimes happens in winter in Europe and North America) - snow at
> 540 is not unknown in such a situation, although it would normally
> turn to rain as the warm front becomes more established.
This sometimes happens in NZ, mostly in the inland South Island valleys
and basins, when fine and frosty weather is quickly followed by a frontal
rainband bringing supposedly warmer air from the north. However in one
exceptional event on 19 July 1995, snow fell to low-levels in the central
North Island (mainly the Lake Taupo area) as moist air moved in from the
northwest. The low-lying areas affected by that snow, don't often get snow,
even from very cold southerly outbreaks (as they are sheltered somewhat by
mountains to the south).
On that occasion, there had been a very cold southerly outbreak a few days
earlier, which did bring some snow to the Taupo area (low on the hills, but
not right down to the Lake Taupo level) followed by severe frosts on the
18th. The ground was frosty, and the snow was still lying on the hills,
when the 'warmer' moist airmass moved in from the northwest early on th
19th.
> By the way, GASP has sub-516 air reaching Invercargill on Wednesday
> night.
NZ MetService doesn't seem to be forecasting very cold weather for
Wednesday/Thursday, yet.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:00:56 +0100
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Blair Trewin wrote:
> I have heard of snow at much higher thicknesses, but most often when
> a warm front is advancing into a very cold surface layer (this
> sometimes happens in winter in Europe and North America)
More likely to get "freezing rain" rather than snow when this happens (aka
glazed ice / frost) and the accumulated weight of ice can bring down branches,
electricity wires that kind of thing.
Les
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:06:32 GMT
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On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:55:43 +0100, Les Crossan
wrote:
>
>
>Laurier Williams wrote:
>
>> I guess pitch black icy conditions are even more slippery than normal black icy conditions.
>
>Perhaps what they're trying to say is "black ice at night" it was 1130pm your time... being no stranger to sheet ice on roads
>it's really hard to see!
>
I take your point. A hyphen wouldn't go astray.
>A case of "mini - frost" with the temperatures reaching freezing or just below??
>
Mt Hotham got down to -6.4 last night
>What sort of lowest temperatures do you get in NSW surely -4c is about as low as its going to go...
>
Charlotte Pass in the Snowy Mountains had -12 last night, and Glen
Innes on the Northern Tablelands -7. There aren't too many places or
too many nights that the temp falls below -5, but sheltered spots all
along the tablelands are capable of several >-10s each winter.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:55:02 +1000
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Excellent review Clyve, BOM report says the storm was in a non-severe stage
when I took my video stills at 5.40pm, which you have probably seen at my
home page. Further to that I have small hail dents on the 4WD as my wife has
parked in Shellharbour at that time. It is good to see that you say it was
severe.
Also a great forecast page you Victorians have !
Michael
> Clyve Herbert's hypothesis for the Sydney hailstorm which he presented at
> our meeting can be found at
> http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/14_4_99.htm
>
> ASWA Victoria's test page titled "June 1999, Forecast Outlook, Discussion
&
> Report Page" - this is in its testing phase, but we're pretty pleased with
> the interest it's generated...please feel free to join in.
> To get your thoughts up there just drop me an email or an ICQ (4496048) &
> I'll get the relevant information up there.
> http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/june.htm
>
> Both pages are now accessible from the MSC homepage - Rocky...apologies
for
> not having the links there for you this afternoon!!
>
> Jane ONeill
> Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:07:40 +1000
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Many places overnight with that, -12C at Charlotte Pass was coldest. On the
Tablelands -4C is quite normal in Winter with a large high parked overhead
and clear skies.
Michael
>
> What sort of lowest temperatures do you get in NSW surely -4c is about as
low as its going to go...
>
> Les
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frosty morning
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:02:20 +1000
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10C Min here in the 'gong, we rarely get temperatures below 5C as the
escarpment nearly always ensures a light land breeze.
Michael
> Hi all,
>
> My dad rang me this morning (at the unheard of hour of 8:30am!! hehe) to
> tell me they had frost there. He is about 80-100km WSW of Brisbane.
> When he woke up, the air temperature was 0C. It was BLOODY COLD
> here!!!! 5C at the Brisbane AP, 0C at Amberly, -1 at Kingaroy, -3 at
> Stanthorpe and Warwick, -4 at Texas and Oakey...
>
> I've had enough of winter now, where's summer!?
>
> Anthony from Brisbane
>
> > Dane Newman wrote:
> >
> > Frosty across most of Victoria with many inland centres recording
> > below 0 temperatures this morning. Here in Kilsyth we had our first
> > below 0 morning this year with the temperature dropping to minus 0.3c.
> > Even the bit of rain water 0.2mm in the rain guage was still frozen
> > at 9am. Dane
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:12:39 -0700
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27!
It's 15 inside our house with the heater on!
Lindsay P.
Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
>
> > Andrew McDonald.
> >
> > P.S. - still cold anthony??
>
> It is 18C outside with a 10-15kn SW'er blowing, I went outside 15mins
> ago to get the mail, and my feet almost got frostbite. I am wearing
> trackpants, t-shirt, jumper (I did have a jacket, but I took it off
> because after I found the heater, and put it on max, it became a more
> acceptable 27C in the study - thank the Lord for 1000W heaters :-) )
>
> Answer your question? :)
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:10:55 -0700
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I just love it Chris! It's only 4.5 here in upper blue mountains at
3:15pm on Friday. Our town gets this lovely steel-grey tone in winter,
lots of fires/coal/gas burning. Such a contrast after our golden autumn.
Can't say my Jack Russel likes the cold though. Makes him eat plants and
pots coz he gets agro. :-)
Chris Maunder wrote:
>
> Don't you just LOVE winter!! No snow on the hills around Canberra
> (Lot's of low cloud so there may be some that is not visible yet)
> but it's been dumping in the snowies. I don't think the start of the
> ski season will be spectacular - but at least it will be white :)
>
> >
> >P.S. - still cold anthony??
> >
>
>
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Hi Les,
I believe the lowest recorded temperature on the Australian mainland was
-23c at Charlotte Pass but I can't remember which year (I think it was only
a few years ago)
- Paul G.
>From: Les Crossan
>
>What sort of lowest temperatures do you get in NSW surely -4c is about as
>low as its going to go...
>
>Les
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: T shirts
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:59:44 +1000
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Just a reminder if you haven't already done
so...........................................
Would each of you please email me at cadence at rubix.net.au (NOT the list)
with the following information:
1. polo neck or T-shirt? (you can have any colour so long as it is white
)
2. preference for logo on left breast or back?
3. quantity
4. sizes (S / M / L / XL / XXL / XXXL)
So far I have orders for 25 T-shirts & 30 polo necks!!!! - guess what's
going to be running all over northern NSW in November - doubt that any of us
will have trouble recognising other ASWA members!!!!!
I'd like to hear from you by Monday 14th June by 5pm - if I don't you will
be Tshirtless till the next time
Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
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Subject: aus-wx: Frosty morning; cold bleak day
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Hi everyone
After a generally clear night, the minimum temperature fell to
-0.3 this morning. Early this morning high and middle level cloud from the
advancing northwest cloudband moved in rapidly; and this coupled with a very
light northeasterly air flow at the surface, and subsidence inversion,
caused the maximum temperature to only reach a chilly 7.7 deg. here in
Bendigo today. (My own obs. not the Bureau's)
Rod Aikman
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:40:16 -0400
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On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Ira Fehlberg wrote:
This is yet another virus hoax:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wobbler-hoax.html
-David Hart-
> At 23:18 11/06/99 +0800, you wrote:
> > For your reference, take necessary precautions..
> >If you receive an e-mail with a file called California, do not open the
> >file.
> >
> >The file contains WOBBLER virus.
> >
> >WARNING
> >This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM.
> >AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than
> >"Melissa", and that there is NO remedy for it at this time.
> >
> >Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the reformat function
> >from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all documents on
> >the hard drive.
> >It has been designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
> >Internet Explorer.
> >It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers.
> >
> >This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
> >
> >
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