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001 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Oberon Snow Pics
002 Kevin Phyland [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Vorticity and splitting thunderstorms
003 Craig Geddes [CRAIG.GEDDES at Warringah.nsw.gov. New to the List
004 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Fw: Central Tablelands
005 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Oberon Snow Pics
006 peter matters [pmatters at eck.net.au] Heights in atmosphere
007 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. 9mm in Ballina ????
008 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
009 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] sunset pics
010 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
011 vortex at wwdg.com New Web Site
012 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Canberra-wx
013 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. 17th June 1999 Radar loop
014 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Oberon Snow Pics
015 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Heights in atmosphere
016 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
017 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Heights in atmosphere
018 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
019 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Oberon Snow Pics
020 vortex at wwdg.com Web Cams.
021 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] canberra
022 Patrick_Tobin at ama.com.au Canberra Wx
023 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Canberra Wx
024 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Photo Comp
025 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Meeting corection and reminder
026 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Fw: Central Tablelands
027 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Today's clouds in Sydney
028 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Sat 31st July ASWA Annual General Meeting
029 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] canberra
030 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Oberon Snow Pics
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001
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:00:04 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Hi all,
The Oberon snow pics are in and they are good! Remember, this is snow
from the Central Tablelands west of Sydney. Looks a bit like the Snowies
don't you think? And it was thicker than this on day two and three of
the falls too!
Michael Bath has kindly set up a page showing a few of the shots.
Thanks Michael, I appreciate your efforts.
Check them out on:
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/does/9906_01.htm
Hope I got that address right.
Cheers,
Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:34:57 EST
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Hi every1,
For those interested in splitting supercell dynamics there's a nice article
in the latest Weatherwise...
http://www.weatherwise.org/qr/qry.anticyclone.html
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:50:16 +1000
From: Craig Geddes [CRAIG.GEDDES at Warringah.nsw.gov.au]
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Hi All
Just to introduce myself to the list.
I am the Fire Control Officer / Emergency Services
Coordinator for the Warringah and Pittwater local government
areas.(Sydney)
I have been in the Rural Fire Service for 19 years.
My interest in severe weather is obviously based on the
Emergency Response to the after effects but I have a
personal interest in the formation and composition of
developing storms.
I have at my Control Centre a local weather station
(Innovative Research -Environet) which also transmits and
receives other areas.
I would also like to hear some comment on the Lightning
Strike programs that are currently available as to their
suitability for use in Emergency Management.
ps.Jimmy, I have many more pics of the Hailstorm and also a
aerial video surveying the damage if you are interested, I will
burn a CD and copy the video just let me know where to
send them.
Regards
Craig Geddes
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: Central Tablelands
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:30:42 GMT
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Michael,
I've corresponded with the lady on this subject before. I think her
need to know stems from research she's doing into some type of wattle
distribution. I've since deleted my response at the time (it was over
a year ago), but recall giving some general information about the way
in which the Bureau's rainfall/climatic district boundaries were drawn
up, based on watersheds, rivers, even shire boundaries. In particular,
I emphasised that, although the Bureau's climatic boundaries are lines
on maps, real climatic boundaries are much more diffuse.
I remember telling her that the name "Central" was because they were
between the Northern and Southern, but don't remember being asked
approximate area -- and I don't know the answer, but if she has a map
she can surely work that out.
Laurier
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:24:38 +1000, "Michael Thompson"
wrote:
>Can any of our blue mountains / central tablelands help this lady. It will be interesting to see what people think.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rossanne & Andrew Holmes
>To: michaelt at ozemail.com.au
>Sent: Friday, 18 June 1999 11:17
>Subject: Central Tablelands
>
>
>Micheal,
> I am contacting you because I am trying to discover a broad definition for the Central tablelands area. For example what are its boundaries? What approx. area does it cover? Why is this particular area called the central tablelands? You have drawn a map of the approx. area on your internet site so I'm guessing you have some idea of it's boundaries and what area it covers because nobody else I've tried calling seems to have any idea. I would really appreciate any information you might be able to give about this.
>Rossanne Holmes
>_____________________________________________
>Andrew & Rossanne Holmes
>"Kilmartin" Ph: (02) 6344 2067
>PO Box 163
>CANOWINDRA NSW 2804
>AUSTRALIA Email: holmes at ix.net.au
>_____________________________________________
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Snow Pics
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:20:54 GMT
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On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:00:04 -0700, Lindsay
wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>The Oberon snow pics are in and they are good! Remember, this is snow
>from the Central Tablelands west of Sydney. Looks a bit like the Snowies
>don't you think? And it was thicker than this on day two and three of
>the falls too!
>
>Michael Bath has kindly set up a page showing a few of the shots.
>
>Thanks Michael, I appreciate your efforts.
>
>Check them out on:
>
>http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/does/9906_01.htm
>
>Hope I got that address right.
>
Hi Lindsay
It doesn't work for me, even after correcting "does" to "docs".
--
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:22:49 +1000
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Hi all,
Could someone please give me some info on the covertion from
millibar/Hpa levels in the atmosphere, to height in thousands of
feet/metres? Replay on or off list is o.k
Many thanks - Peter
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:42:41 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> Thanks Laurier, I really enjoyed reading these !!!!
>
> Some years ago, when Braidwood PO staff got
> all enthusiastic, they painted the whole PO pink, including the
> screen. Lithgow maxima were loopy for months when the observer exposed
> the thermometers on a shady wall while the screen was away being
> fixed. The raingauge at Jenolan Caves has been moved several times to
> my knowledge, each time after a tree has been growing over it for some
> years.
It gets better all the time! I reckon, and this is only a
guess, that man-made-snow-making in Perisher Valley given
particular wind directions will also put "snow" into their
snow-rain guage as well...Check it out if you like. The
guage is about 20m from the beginners J-Bar where the first
line of snow guns are. The "snow" plume from the guns
sometimes floats right over the weather station! This last
week, I noted that Charlottes Pass recorded 0.6mm one night
and Perisher 10mm. Historically, Charlottes Pass gets that
fraction more snow than Perisher and this anomaly was
recorded after a night with strong W-SW winds while the
snow guns blasted away all night at Perisher.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:32:03 +1000
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Yo Anthony,
What are those strange white scrapes across the Northern sky & those wierd
cauliflower things off the coast? Are they what people call "clouds"??
(Quick quick Anthony, grab the camera - you may be able to get one of
those elusive "winter cloud" photo's....)
Seriously, this is the first bit of cloud of any sort that I have observed
for 9 straight days, 12 if you don't count a 1/8 cirrus day.
Coldest morning so far this winter at Mt. Crosby - a calm chilly 4.0C,
still no frost observed, though it felt like it. Will be interesting to
see what Ch 9 reports Ipswich as. Saturday morning they reported Ipswich
as -2, yet I recorded a +7.5 (I am in Ipswich shire). Something bizarre is
going on here... Does anyone know where Ch 9 gets the Ipswich figure, I
bet it is actually Amberley's, which is another 10k's or so to the
SouthWest.
John.
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: sunset pics
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:50:20 +1000
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Hi Steve,
Yes I remember this, it was the last day we had cloud.... 9th June.
Reckon you should submit at least one of these for the ASWA "Winter cloud"
comp.
John.
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Subject: aus-wx: sunset pics
hey all,
got these back the other day, can't for the life of me remember what date
they were taken:( can any brisbanites remember these sunsets about 2 weeks
ago approx. the second one would make a good background:)
byee
steve from gold coast
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/images/sunset3.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/images/sunset4.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/images/sunset5.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/images/sunset6.jpg
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:01:50 +1000 (EST)
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>
> Yo Anthony,
>
> What are those strange white scrapes across the Northern sky & those wierd
> cauliflower things off the coast? Are they what people call "clouds"??
> (Quick quick Anthony, grab the camera - you may be able to get one of
> those elusive "winter cloud" photo's....)
>
> Seriously, this is the first bit of cloud of any sort that I have observed
> for 9 straight days, 12 if you don't count a 1/8 cirrus day.
>
> Coldest morning so far this winter at Mt. Crosby - a calm chilly 4.0C,
> still no frost observed, though it felt like it. Will be interesting to
> see what Ch 9 reports Ipswich as. Saturday morning they reported Ipswich
> as -2, yet I recorded a +7.5 (I am in Ipswich shire). Something bizarre is
> going on here... Does anyone know where Ch 9 gets the Ipswich figure, I
> bet it is actually Amberley's, which is another 10k's or so to the
> SouthWest.
It is almost certainly Amberley.
As I've mentioned before, topography can make a HUGE difference to
minimum temperature under clear skies - a 5-degree difference between
a hilltop and valley site is commonplace. As an extreme case, there
is an instance in the NSW Snowy Mountains when Cabramurra (on a steep
west-facing slope) recorded a minimum of 0 degrees; Kiandra, in a
valley 15km away and at a marginally lower altitude got -18! Although
I haven't checked the actual numbers, I expect that there would have
been comparable differences between Crackenback and Charlottes Pass
when Charlottes got its -23. As another example, on one of the frosty
mornings in late April in Victoria, Mt. Dandenong was the warmest
place in the state!
(Also, in the current spell in the NSW Northern Tablelands, compare
Guyra with Armidale and Glen Innes)
Blair Trewin
> John.
>
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:16:44 -0600
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Hey all.
Just thought I'd let you all know that my web page is up and running now at: http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/dreams/238/index.htm
Paul Yole
2 McDonald Street
Murtoa. Vic. 3390
Australia
Phone: (035) 385 2699
Mobile: 0418 369 256
Email: vortex at wwdg.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:11:56 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> Some politician must have near drowned on Lake Burley Griffin
> several years ago...
Aside from the thread of severe weather on Lake Burley Griffin,
sorry for this diversion...Given the distinct lack of "fair-play"
political decisions in recent time, perhaps it's time to shout
them (some politicians) a pleasure cruise:-)
That comment's enough to get aussie-weather at world.std.com
marked up as an alien site in Tasmania's proposed $3M
"internet censorship organisation" initiative funded through
the second part sale of Telstra (media release today)!
MichaelS
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:40:14 +1000
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Phil Schubert wrote on Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:54:45 +0800:
[snip]
>
> How do you create animated gifs.
For my recommendation, you may need access to an ANSI
C-compiler for the operating system of your choice if
pre-built binaries are not freely availble. Check first!
The fastest gif animator I have found is;
http://www.danbbs.dk/~dino/whirlgif/
Binaries for Windows are available for
whirlgif but I havn't used them. The version that I have
operating under Solaris 2.5.1 is blindingly fast by
typically animating 150 x 78KB global satpic gif images
to a single 11.7MB animated gif file in 15 seconds.
The most flexible and capable of exploding animated gifs
into their individual images can be found at;
http://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/
This is targeted toward the UNIX/Linux community which
would require some source code / make file hacking to
get it to build under Windows . From what I
can tell. Following the links from here might reveal
someone who has done just that.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:53:50 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Snow Pics
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The Oberon snow pics are in and they are good! Remember, this is snow
> from the Central Tablelands west of Sydney. Looks a bit like the Snowies
> don't you think? And it was thicker than this on day two and three of
> the falls too!
>
> Michael Bath has kindly set up a page showing a few of the shots.
>
> Thanks Michael, I appreciate your efforts.
>
> Check them out on:
>
> http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/does/9906_01.htm
>
> Hope I got that address right.
You didn't:-) Found them at;
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/docs/9906-01.htm
By the way, is this really Australia's Central Tablelands?:-)
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:17:58 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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peter matters wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Could someone please give me some info on the covertion from
> millibar/Hpa levels in the atmosphere, to height in thousands of
> feet/metres? Replay on or off list is o.k
> Many thanks - Peter
I suggest that you consult the READY site;
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready/cmet.html
In that, you'll find roll-your-own metrograms from which you
can select "Geopotential Height (3D)" at a given pressure, say
850mb, at a given location. This is the height, in decimetres,
of the 850mb pressure. Don't confuse "Geopotential Height" with
"Thickness" since the former is the height given to the mean
sea level and the latter is the height between selected pressure
levels, say 500mb to 1000mb. As an example, the 1000mb pressure
level can be sometimes below the mean sea level, during a "low",
for example, or above it, mostly.
Now if the BoM offered the equivalent of READY. I'd use that
instead (hint, hint).
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: brisbane-wx, really strange phenomena
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:09:28 +1000
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Hi Blair,
Thanks for this, I keep thinking either my thermometer(s) are having me on,
or Ch 9 is. I am located in the foot hills of the Southern extremity of
the D'Aguilar range, about 13ks directly due North of Ipswich. My actual
elevation is not that high, maybe 70m above sea level, but I am on a ridge
with a gully 11m deep on one side and sloping down 15m along a 100m
driveway to the road on the other. It is an acreage property in an open
forest location, with a clear grassed area next to the house on the ridge
top.
Amberley is actually more like 15k's SW of Ipswich, and someone told me
recently that the temp there is actually recorded on the tarmac at ground
level (probably not true). Certainly it is very flat and open compared
even with Ipswich itself, thus I would suspect that Ch 9 is doing the
Ipswich population a real disservice it is using Amberley's figures.
>snip
It is almost certainly Amberley.
As I've mentioned before, topography can make a HUGE difference to
minimum temperature under clear skies - a 5-degree difference between
a hilltop and valley site is commonplace. As an extreme case, there
is an instance in the NSW Snowy Mountains when Cabramurra (on a steep
west-facing slope) recorded a minimum of 0 degrees; Kiandra, in a
valley 15km away and at a marginally lower altitude got -18! Although
I haven't checked the actual numbers, I expect that there would have
been comparable differences between Crackenback and Charlottes Pass
when Charlottes got its -23. As another example, on one of the frosty
mornings in late April in Victoria, Mt. Dandenong was the warmest
place in the state!
(Also, in the current spell in the NSW Northern Tablelands, compare
Guyra with Armidale and Glen Innes)
Blair Trewin
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:29 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au]
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Hi Peter,
Unfortunately, there is no basic conversion from 500mb to 5700m....they
vary from time to time. IE, the 500mb level in Tasmania could be 5300m
high, but the 500mb level in Darwin could be 5750m high. This is
because cold air is denser then warmer air, this means it takes up less
space, which is why the 500mb height in colder air decreases. Where as,
warmer air takes up more space, and consequently the height of 500mb in
warm air is higher. If you look at soundings:
http://www-das.uwyo.edu/upperair/au.html
you can get the current height, some models can also give you an
indication (ie 500mb geopotential height, is the height of the 500mb
level in metres) unfortunately
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready-bin/arlplot1.pl?metdata=AVN+191+km is down
at the moment, so you can't get that info from there (it's the easiest
format)
But you can go here: http://sgi62.wwb.noaa.gov:8080/cgi-bin/disp_avn.sh
and choose: "HGT" and select "500mb" at the bottom, and choose
"australia" as the location, and then also input your times, and that
will give you heights.
But again - there's no direct conversion.
Hope this helps, if you want more info or clarrification, don't hesitate
to email me personaly.
Anthony Cornelius
peter matters wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Could someone please give me some info on the covertion from
> millibar/Hpa levels in the atmosphere, to height in thousands of
> feet/metres? Replay on or off list is o.k
> Many thanks - Peter
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:57:38 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au]
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Hi John,
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Yo Anthony,
>
> What are those strange white scrapes across the Northern sky & those wierd
> cauliflower things off the coast? Are they what people call "clouds"??
Holy sh*t batman!!! I don't believe it, I had almost forgotten what
they looked like :)
(Quick quick Anthony, grab the camera - you may be able to get one of
> those elusive "winter cloud" photo's....)
> Seriously, this is the first bit of cloud of any sort that I have observed
> for 9 straight days, 12 if you don't count a 1/8 cirrus day.
>
> Coldest morning so far this winter at Mt. Crosby - a calm chilly 4.0C,
> still no frost observed, though it felt like it.
I recorded 8.7C this morning, but after taping the thermo sensor to the
roof a few days ago, yesterday morning it fell off (and for those of you
who have seen my room, you know that I have two thermo wires going
across my bed to the window) and a large coil on the shelf beside my
bed...well, when it fell off (around 6:30 yesterday morning) I had about
8m of coiled thermo wire fall on my head :-( It was certainly a rude
awakening. I will need to invest in stronger sticky tape I would
like to make a small stevenson screen in the back yard, but the
clothesline is just outside my window....my parents bedroom is in a
perfect position for a stevenson screen just outside, I wonder if
they'll swap :-)
I'll buy some brackets over the holidays and nail it up on the roof
eave...I'll also buy a plank of wood so that the sensor doesn't get hit
in the early morning/late afternoon sun. I hope the ladder holds me :)
Back to serious stuff...
Will be interesting to
> see what Ch 9 reports Ipswich as. Saturday morning they reported Ipswich
> as -2, yet I recorded a +7.5 (I am in Ipswich shire). Something bizarre is
> going on here... Does anyone know where Ch 9 gets the Ipswich figure, I
> bet it is actually Amberley's, which is another 10k's or so to the
> SouthWest.
One could debate why you watch channel 9 news :-) I watch 7/10 for a wx
report (if I do watch them, as normally I make my own forecasts).
Although none of them are really outstanding (Ray is no where as good as
he used to be). I think the Ipswich temperature is Amberly, but don't
quote me on that. But I think the position you live in, has a great
affect on your temperature reads. Especially near a forest/near the
house etc. I'd consider trying to set something up away from the house
and in an open area (if possible). If not possible, some trees may need
to be sacrificed! :) As Laurier pointed out too...topography does play
a very large part in temperature recordings.
Anthony Cornelius
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:01:58 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au]
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Thanks for the correct URL, Michael :)
Wow, Lindsay, you *really* did go snow chasing! Like that lady in
Twister said "when you said you went storm chasing, I thought it was
some kind of metephor or something." Replace "storm" with "snow." None
the less, some quite impressive pictures from the area I thought. But,
you didn't even have gloves on in the snow!?!? (commence) Brisbanite
whinge) The other night, when I was talking to MB on ICQ, he was
laughing at me because I was wearing gloves while typing, from memory it
was 8.4C I think (?) And my hands were still frozen! (conclude
Brisbanite whinge).
Back to the study books for me!
Anthony from Brisbane
Michael Scollay wrote:
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The Oberon snow pics are in and they are good! Remember, this is snow
> > from the Central Tablelands west of Sydney. Looks a bit like the Snowies
> > don't you think? And it was thicker than this on day two and three of
> > the falls too!
> >
> > Michael Bath has kindly set up a page showing a few of the shots.
> >
> > Thanks Michael, I appreciate your efforts.
> >
> > Check them out on:
> >
> > http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/does/9906_01.htm
> >
> > Hope I got that address right.
>
> You didn't:-) Found them at;
>
> http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/docs/9906-01.htm
>
> By the way, is this really Australia's Central Tablelands?:-)
>
> Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:28:27 -0600
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Subject: aus-wx: Web Cams.
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Hey all,
Just found these webcams of Melbourne. Nice panoramic view if you ask me.
http://webcam.omni.net.au/
Paul Yole
2 McDonald Street
Murtoa. Vic. 3390
Australia
Phone: (035) 385 2699
Mobile: 0418 369 256
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: canberra
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>
>
> There are no very high mountains near Ulladulla, even Pigeon House is only
> 600-700m. Your best bet if there are low level falls, and I mean low level
> down to 600-700m ) is Braidwood, that would mean a trip to almost Batemans
> Bay, then up Clyde Mountain where snow has fallen. South from Braidwood
> there some minor roads to places like Captains Flat, some peaks around here
> touch over 1000m, but finding road access to the higher ground may be
> tricky. Invest in a good topographic map. Bear in mind that falls east of
> Canberra rely on cold S/SW winds that are almost parallel to the coast. You
> could also venture down to Nimmitabel and Bombala, both get odd snowfalls,
> but these are getting well away from a easy daytrip. As far as time goes
> Braidwood is probably 90 mins from Ulladulla, Canberra another 90 mins
> perhaps.
>
> Michael
There are two roads south-east of Canberra which get up into the 1200-
1300 metre range; the Braidwood-Cooma route (via Numeralla) and the
Captains Flat-Jerangle-Bredbo road. Both are decently maintained
gravel but in fairly remote country and see very little traffic (in
other words, if you got into trouble in the snow it's likely to be a
while before help turns up), especially the Numeralla road.
The highest peaks in this region are Tinderry Peak (about 1600) and
Mt Tumanang (sp?) (about 1480). There is a fire trail which gets near
the top of Tumanang, but I don't know if it's driveable/open to the
public. Tinderry is only accessible by foot.
Blair Trewin
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From: Patrick_Tobin at ama.com.au
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A few (weakish) Cb cells are evident to the west (along with a fairly thick As
cover). Radar showing
a few showers associated with this so will be interesting to see what happens.
A pretty warm 13 degrees at 2.30pm.
To Matt Smith - the best thing to do when you are in Ulladulla is to contact one
of us Canberrans.
We can then tell you whether there is snow close to Canberra or if you have to
go further south
to the Snowy Mtns. We can normally see snow on the Brindabellas from Canberra if
there
is any on the ranges.
Currently there are some patches of snow visible on Mt Ginnini (about 1700m) - a
big reduction
on the sea of white that was visible last week. Friday's warm temps and rain
removed most
of that cover.
What we really need is a web cam on Mt Ainslie - it would be good for snow
viewing at this
time of year and for storms during the warmer months.
Patrick
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Thanks for everyones help, ill see what happens as things get closer to
when i planned to go, its looking unlikely ill be going when i planned due
to work :(
I will deffinatly keep all this in mind for when i can get down there though.
Thanks again!
Matt Smith
>
>
>A few (weakish) Cb cells are evident to the west (along with a fairly
thick As
>cover). Radar showing
>a few showers associated with this so will be interesting to see what
happens.
>
>A pretty warm 13 degrees at 2.30pm.
>
>To Matt Smith - the best thing to do when you are in Ulladulla is to
contact one
>of us Canberrans.
>We can then tell you whether there is snow close to Canberra or if you
have to
>go further south
>to the Snowy Mtns. We can normally see snow on the Brindabellas from
Canberra if
>there
>is any on the ranges.
>
>Currently there are some patches of snow visible on Mt Ginnini (about
1700m) - a
>big reduction
>on the sea of white that was visible last week. Friday's warm temps and rain
>removed most
>of that cover.
>
>What we really need is a web cam on Mt Ainslie - it would be good for snow
>viewing at this
>time of year and for storms during the warmer months.
>
>Patrick
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:28:38 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
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Hi all,
Ok now who is sitting on their winter cloud photos?
We have not had many entrants to July's theme.
So far only 2 people have submitted photos. :(
So the purpose of this email is to remind that submissions
for July's competition are closing at 12 midnight, Sydney
time, between the 26-27th of June.
The theme is "winter cloud photos" and anyone can submit
photos as long as they are taken in Australia or its
territories and follow the theme.
This means that you do not have to be a member of the
Australian Severe Weather Association to submit a photo, nor
do you have to be a member to vote on the current months
photos which are up for display.
Any submissions of photos need to be either 400 pixels in
width or larger (larger ones will be scaled back)
Please indicate the place and approximate time these photos
were taken and also your name :)
Submissions can be emailed to me at
webmaster at severeweather.asn.au
Thanking you in advance for your submissions.
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, "Karen Clark": at ozemail.com.au at world.std.com;,
Jim Cresser , cresser at mpce.mq.edu.au,
Geoffrey Thurtell ,
Darren Heys ,
Janell Pickup
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Subject: aus-wx: Meeting corection and reminder
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I think I sent an e-mail to you regarding the meeting. Please note an error
may have occured
The date of the next ASWA meeting is the 26th June This Saturday. Thank
you and sorry for the inconvenience.
The Annual General Meeting is the Saturday 31st July. If you want to
attend, please indicate as we may have to book another venue to cater for
the numbers. Details below
Jimmy Deguara
As some may have noticed, there has been some panick as to where we will hold
our meetings. Well it is official: the meetings will be held at 2KY House on
LEVEL 3. The meeting for ASWA (Australian Severe Weather Association) will be
hold on this Saturday the 26th June starting at 10:00am. We will meet at
the bottom
outside at around 9:30am so that we can get in via Grant Boyden. If you are
late, you can give a quick call to Grant via his mobile on 0412661937
How to get there, accommodation (if neccessary), and arrangements is as
follows:
2KY House 20-22 Wentworth St Parramatta very close to the railway station on
the southern side. A map will be forwarded shortly. There is parking almost
opposite to the building which is about $5 a day on Saturday.
Accommodation: Mariott or the Park Royal $140. E-mail Grant Boyden
boyden at zeta.org.au
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: Central Tablelands
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:09 +1000
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Thanks Laurier and Andrew
I stayed away from the BOM boundary as tried to be more "climatic" I did
not include the reference to the BOM map, so thanks Andrew. Have quoted my
answer below , welcome any criticism as I do not live in the area.
"You may find the boundaries are defined by parish, but this is not always a
geographically accurate measurement. My boundaries are just that, my
interpretations.
The northern one is easy as the Hunter / Goulburn Rivers almost slice the
Great Divide in two, so the north maximum of the Central Tablelands is
defined by the upper hunter valley, towns like Merriwa, Cassilis, Mudgee.
The western boundary can be the Macquarie river in the north, but then
heading southwards towards Orange away from the Macquarie, as the Macquarie
swings back SE and onto the tableland proper.. The south is a bit tricky, as
you probably already know coming from Canowindra that it slopes away towards
the SW quite dramatically, at what point on this slope away do you say no
longer tablelands ? definitely Cowra. Southwards I would extend the central
tablelands across the north ridge of the Lachlan / Abercrombie Valleys,
anything further south like Crookwell I would be tempted to call southern
tablelands. East is also tricky, you will find that many will include the
blue mountains.
I will forward your message to the Australian Weather newsgroup, we have
several members from that area, Blackheath, Orange and Katoomba. They may
know the ' official ' boundaries."
Michael
I've corresponded with the lady on this subject before. I think her
need to know stems from research she's doing into some type of wattle
distribution. I've since deleted my response at the time (it was over
a year ago), but recall giving some general information about the way
in which the Bureau's rainfall/climatic district boundaries were drawn
up, based on watersheds, rivers, even shire boundaries. In particular,
I emphasised that, although the Bureau's climatic boundaries are lines
on maps, real climatic boundaries are much more diffuse.
I remember telling her that the name "Central" was because they were
between the Northern and Southern, but don't remember being asked
approximate area -- and I don't know the answer, but if she has a map
she can surely work that out.
Laurier
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:24:38 +1000, "Michael Thompson"
wrote:
>Can any of our blue mountains / central tablelands help this lady. It will
be interesting to see what people think.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rossanne & Andrew Holmes
>To: michaelt at ozemail.com.au
>Sent: Friday, 18 June 1999 11:17
>Subject: Central Tablelands
>
>
>Micheal,
> I am contacting you because I am trying to discover a broad definition
for the Central tablelands area. For example what are its boundaries? What
approx. area does it cover? Why is this particular area called the central
tablelands? You have drawn a map of the approx. area on your internet site
so I'm guessing you have some idea of it's boundaries and what area it
covers because nobody else I've tried calling seems to have any idea. I
would really appreciate any information you might be able to give about
this.
>Rossanne Holmes
>_____________________________________________
>Andrew & Rossanne Holmes
>"Kilmartin" Ph: (02) 6344 2067
>PO Box 163
>CANOWINDRA NSW 2804
>AUSTRALIA Email: holmes at ix.net.au
>_____________________________________________
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Today's clouds in Sydney
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What a good thing it is to be able to communicate things on the list.. The
following photos were taken on the 1st May 1994. Now as some people know, I
write down observatiuons every day and attach the closest of all the photos
that match the conditions that day forget about this octas stuff..
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1994/05
01jd01.jpg 02 and 03
Michael Bath also took photos from his place almost at the same time and it
wasn't planned either!!!!
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1994/05
01mb01.jpg and 02 as well
Well, these were the type of conditions we had today almost a repeat
forget the lack of storms we had on that day It was a heavy downpour with
lightning and the storm then moved on east. This is a typical cold upper
air situation or cold pool of air as some may know it. We must watch the
nest few days unfold.
Jimmy Deguara
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From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Sat 31st July ASWA Annual General Meeting
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The AGM will be open to all who are financial members of ASWA at 30/6/99. If
you wish to be part of the AGM and ASWA, please ensure you submit your
application to your State Rep by 30/6. Forms are available from the website:
http://www.severeweather.asn.au/meminfo/
All financial members will receive a personal notification of the meeting,
including the agenda and a voting form. You do not have to attend the
meeting to vote on executive positions, but you do have to be a financial
member of ASWA.
If you have not already done so, please contact Jimmy Deguara
(jimmyd at ozemail.com.au) if you are planning to attend the AGM on 31st July
in Parramatta.
regards, Michael
ASWA President
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: canberra
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:10:24 +1000
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Thanks, I will also keep these in mind for weekend trips, I have never been
past Captains Flat and the country has me intrigued.
Michael
>
> There are two roads south-east of Canberra which get up into the 1200-
> 1300 metre range; the Braidwood-Cooma route (via Numeralla) and the
> Captains Flat-Jerangle-Bredbo road. Both are decently maintained
> gravel but in fairly remote country and see very little traffic (in
> other words, if you got into trouble in the snow it's likely to be a
> while before help turns up), especially the Numeralla road.
>
> The highest peaks in this region are Tinderry Peak (about 1600) and
> Mt Tumanang (sp?) (about 1480). There is a fire trail which gets near
> the top of Tumanang, but I don't know if it's driveable/open to the
> public. Tinderry is only accessible by foot.
>
> Blair Trewin
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Snow Pics
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:05:15 +1000
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Excellent photos Lindsay, next fall I am going in by Wombeyan Caves, I know
the road is bad, but I do have a 4WD Nissan Patrol and to Shooters Hill from
Shellharbour it has to quicker via this route , then the more traditional
across the Blue Mountains.
Michael
> The Oberon snow pics are in and they are good! Remember, this is snow
> from the Central Tablelands west of Sydney. Looks a bit like the Snowies
> don't you think? And it was thicker than this on day two and three of
> the falls too!
>
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