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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Monday, 16 August 1999

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001 Sam Barricklow [k5kj at pulse.net]                1999 Storm Chase List
002 Sam Barricklow [k5kj at pulse.net]                fotoQuote
003 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]             Brisbane-wx
004 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Still snowing near Orange
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Descriptions of hail...
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]                   Rain/snowline
007 Ross Wilson [ross at cww.octec.org.au]            Re: Snow at Orange
008 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Rain/snowline
009 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]    Sea Surface Temperatures
010 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]                Another Cold outbreak
011 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Another Cold outbreak
012 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Winter Highs + I'm ready for summer
013 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Salt Lake City Tornado - Great pics
014 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]         Another Cold outbreak
015 Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]            weekend wetaher
016 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              Winter Highs + I'm ready for summer

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:19:13 -0500
From: Sam Barricklow [k5kj at pulse.net]
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Subject: aus-wx: 1999 Storm Chase List
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I've added several new 1999 chase accounts to the Storm News and
Archives page.  You can get there by going to:

http://www.k5kj.net/noframe.htm#Contents

and then finding and selecting "Storm News and Archives" in the contents
table.

Please notify me directly via e-mail if you know of any web pages that
you feel should be added to the list.

Sam Barricklow

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:37:23 -0500
From: Sam Barricklow [k5kj at pulse.net]
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Subject: aus-wx: fotoQuote
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Anyone who is considering selling their storm images should get a copy
of fotoQuote.  This excellent software provides current pricing and
advice on generating custom licensing agreements.  Take a look at:

http://www.cradoc.com/

If you follow their advice, you won't get ripped off!

Sam Barricklow

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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:10:52 +1000
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Ah well, didn't quite happen.  Only down to 5C at Mt. Crosby, which equals 
the lowest temp I have recorded so far, and no sign of frost at first 
light.  This is 2C colder than any min recorded last year from mid July 
onwards.  Probably not a great chance that we will get a colder night now, 
as winter seems to be on the wane - last Friday was the warmest day since 
April 26.

But still clear, 0/8 with light SW wind, and no sign yet of a return to the 
forecast SE regime.

John.

>snip
Hey all,

Now 10:30pm and temps already down into single figures (4C colder than at
this time last night).  Air dry, conditions clear & calm.  Looks like this
could be the coldest night this winter so far and possibly our first
frost...

John.

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:41:35 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Ignore this if the info has already been posted:


Any more info on the snow at Orange, particularly Mount Cannobolas
summit?

I'm typing this offline and haven't seen the latest postings as yet.

Lindsay P.


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:32:47 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Good thought :-)

Um, belting, pelting, pounding, smashing, crashing, bashing, thrashing,

ripping, tearing, thumping, banging, "diveting down" - Thinking of
impact words here etc.

And maybe things like, The hail here is: cranking, trenching, carving,
and...shredding!

:-)


Rain gets the human type connotation "Pissing" for the obvious reason so
I am wondering what we can liken hail to, to extract perhaps some more
terms, and enliven our imaginations.


I was imagining hail as various things like cricket balls, marbles, golf
balls etc to get the above ones. Most of them are terms that imply some
sort of hard impact.

Lindsay P.

Ben Tichborne wrote:
> 
> >
> > Lindsay - I reckon we need to put our heads together.  McDonald wrote
> earlier that hail was pissing down.  Hmmm   I know that rain pisses down,-
> but hail.  Now there has to be a better word. Spattering? clattering? c'mon
> friend - help me.  Maybe we need to invent a new word - somehow pissing is
> just not right.
> 
> Hammering down. (if it's heavy hail)
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:21:24 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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I was just reflecting on the borderline snow conditions up our way last
Saturday.

It was really interesting out Oberon way, watching this.

As I left Oberon - roads wet but no precip. there at 2pm Saturday - and
made my way towards Shooters Hill things suddenly changed. Very slight
sleet along the road and then 5 or so k's out of Shooters wet snow just
"appeared" as I drove up higher and then got heavier and heavier. This
was the place where I got out of the car and stood in the snow for ten
minutes allowing myself to get covered in it. It was actually the very
same place on the road that prevented me from going further in that June
chase because of the snow on the road. I only had a t-shirt, light
jumper and a turtle-necked jumper and was not cold at all. It was great
amongst the pines - I took a self-timer shot of me crouching next to a
large wombat hole here amongst some slightly deeper drift snow.


I followed the snow showers as best I could back towards Edith, a small
place on the way out to Jenolan Caves around 1080 metres, where it was
lightly sleeting and I could see the white hillsides further ahead. As I
drove on in the mud and slush, the sleet gradually became more snowy and
then when I got to the turn off to Jenolan/Kanangra Walls(just before
that steep descent) it was drifting down beautifully, absolutely no
breeze and quite large flakes fell for quite some time. About half an
inch of snow settled on the car roof. I just sat in the car there, in
between getting out to view the hills, and listened to the snow on the
roof - and read the paper. The roads are on the ridge tops so you can
get a pretty good go at following the showers around here. Definately a
great spot to snow chase when the snow is marginal.

Laurier, your Synop/AWS stuff helped me as well as Don's early
indication
of some possible developments on that day. Not to mention Mount Boyce
lookout and the low cloud that was cleary over Shooters with temps
around zero. 



Like I said, enjoyable, not unreal but very enjoyable :-)


Lindsay.

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:03:48 -0700
From: Ross Wilson [ross at cww.octec.org.au]
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Hi Lindsay and all

Very little snow lying around on Mt Canobolas this morning (Monday).
In fact, most of it had gone by mid to late Sunday.
Some small areas of snow still visible right on the summit of Canobolas,
and more on the southern side, near Mt Towac.
Very cold conditions here overnight, but the snow should be just about
all gone by tomorrow.
No snow at all remaining below about 4000 ft.
Weather today:  Cold and sunny, light S breeze.  Temp ~5C

Ross Wilson

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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:20:02 GMT
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I rode the bike down to Shooters Hill yesterday early afternoon to see
what snow was left. Patchy covering about 1 to 3cm deep above 1200m
was all that was left. Of interest was the complete absence of
drifting of any kind, though the pine trees all still had a thin line
of snow crystals right up the western side of their trunks, even deep
in the forest; from which I deduce that the wind was very light but
not calm while the snow was falling. 

The lack of snow depth compared to previous falls indicates the
dryness of the outbreak. 

Laurier

On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:21:24 -0700, Lindsay 
wrote:

>I was just reflecting on the borderline snow conditions up our way last
>Saturday.
>
>It was really interesting out Oberon way, watching this.
>
>As I left Oberon - roads wet but no precip. there at 2pm Saturday - and
>made my way towards Shooters Hill things suddenly changed. Very slight
>sleet along the road and then 5 or so k's out of Shooters wet snow just
>"appeared" as I drove up higher and then got heavier and heavier. This
>was the place where I got out of the car and stood in the snow for ten
>minutes allowing myself to get covered in it. It was actually the very
>same place on the road that prevented me from going further in that June
>chase because of the snow on the road. I only had a t-shirt, light
>jumper and a turtle-necked jumper and was not cold at all. It was great
>amongst the pines - I took a self-timer shot of me crouching next to a
>large wombat hole here amongst some slightly deeper drift snow.
>
>
>I followed the snow showers as best I could back towards Edith, a small
>place on the way out to Jenolan Caves around 1080 metres, where it was
>lightly sleeting and I could see the white hillsides further ahead. As I
>drove on in the mud and slush, the sleet gradually became more snowy and
>then when I got to the turn off to Jenolan/Kanangra Walls(just before
>that steep descent) it was drifting down beautifully, absolutely no
>breeze and quite large flakes fell for quite some time. About half an
>inch of snow settled on the car roof. I just sat in the car there, in
>between getting out to view the hills, and listened to the snow on the
>roof - and read the paper. The roads are on the ridge tops so you can
>get a pretty good go at following the showers around here. Definately a
>great spot to snow chase when the snow is marginal.
>
>Laurier, your Synop/AWS stuff helped me as well as Don's early
>indication
>of some possible developments on that day. Not to mention Mount Boyce
>lookout and the low cloud that was cleary over Shooters with temps
>around zero. 
>
>
>
>Like I said, enjoyable, not unreal but very enjoyable :-)
>
>
>Lindsay.
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:51:41 +1000
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone

This URL  shows a clockwise rotation on the West Australian Coast.
Is this normal?
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/sst/latest_sst.gif

Chas
Strahan Tasmania


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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Another Cold outbreak
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:39:25 +1000
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Hi all, after checking the latest Cola, NGP and GASP computer models it seems we could get another cold outbreak over SE Australia on Friday and Saturday with further snowfalls down to 1000m at least. BOM forecast for Melbourne on Friday is for showers and a top of 12c. Dane.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another Cold outbreak
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> Hi all, after checking the latest Cola, NGP and GASP computer models it =
> seems we could get another cold outbreak over SE Australia on Friday and =
> Saturday with further snowfalls down to 1000m at least. BOM forecast for =
> Melbourne on Friday is for showers and a top of 12c. Dane. =20
> 
There are some very interesting progs around for late in the week;
all of them are cold for Victoria, but they differ considerably in
how it happens.

The current GASP run is exceptionally interesting, featuring a broad
field of sub-532 air over Melbourne for at least 24 hours, and a slow-
moving low over central Australia, with associated heavy rain over 
South Australia, especially inland. I'll believe it when I see it
(and there is nothing like it on any other model yet), but if it
happened it would be a virtually unprecedented situation at this
time of year (most sites in this region have August monthly record
highs in the 60-80 mm range) - it's reminiscent of some of the
autumn systems of the late 1980's and early 1990's, such as March
1989.

Blair Trewin
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Winter Highs + I'm ready for summer
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:40:51 +1000
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Thanks for the interesting comments Ben. I particularly like the explanation
for the southward placement of anticyclones this winter. However, I wonder a
bit about the moisture one ? Sounds too much like last season. All the
moisture in the world without heat is useless. I actually prefer my chances
in a full blown El Nino year at least the storms are not swamped by large
scale cloud masses. But I hope I am wrong.

Michael


>
> But here is the part i REALLY loved! When i asked if the pattern over
> the last few months would effect our summer storms, he said that it
> would.. but not a negative effect, we could see allot more moisture
> around this summer (could be good for you VIC ppl.. i think your last
> storm season was so good because of more moisture than normal?).. and of
> course this could in turn be very good for our storms.. I have been
> wondering if the pattern during winter would effect our summer storms,
> but i didn't think it could have a positive impact!!
>
>


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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Salt Lake City Tornado - Great pics
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:50:13 +1000
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Sam Barricklow sent me an E Mail on this event, the link below has a awesome
video still of the tornado right in the heart of the city.

http://www.ksl.com/dump/news/cc/torn2.htm


Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:05:16 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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I'll wager London to a brick that the MRF model is the most likely
scenario..even though the Bureau may be hedging its bets by saying that
for Sydney there's a 'chance of showers' for Saturday-Monday, when the
(presently) hypothetical rain depression should be starting to make its
presence felt. The 'showers' would likely be due to a more normal
onshore swing ahead of the next anticyclone, regardless of the rain
depression which, if it eventuates, will presumably enhance the
'chance'...but at this time of the year? Nooooooooooooooo.

Blair Trewin wrote:
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> > Hi all, after checking the latest Cola, NGP and GASP computer models it =
> > seems we could get another cold outbreak over SE Australia on Friday and =
> > Saturday with further snowfalls down to 1000m at least. BOM forecast for =
> > Melbourne on Friday is for showers and a top of 12c. Dane. =20
> >
> There are some very interesting progs around for late in the week;
> all of them are cold for Victoria, but they differ considerably in
> how it happens.
> 
> The current GASP run is exceptionally interesting, featuring a broad
> field of sub-532 air over Melbourne for at least 24 hours, and a slow-
> moving low over central Australia, with associated heavy rain over
> South Australia, especially inland. I'll believe it when I see it
> (and there is nothing like it on any other model yet), but if it
> happened it would be a virtually unprecedented situation at this
> time of year (most sites in this region have August monthly record
> highs in the 60-80 mm range) - it's reminiscent of some of the
> autumn systems of the late 1980's and early 1990's, such as March
> 1989.
> 
> Blair Trewin
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:42:49 +1000
From: Don White [donwhite at ozemail.com.au]
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Latest GASP and MRF have come in line for Saturday / Sunday and even
Euro has a hint of something very wrong for August.
Don White
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:45:05 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Michael, Everyone..

I just had a look at the El Nino forecasts, and this is what the summary
was:

In summary, the forecast is for cold conditions to continue to
strengthen through winter1999-2000. The model is predicting relatively
strong La Niqa conditions for winter 1999-2000.

The full report can be found here:

http://grads.iges.org/ellfb/Jun99/cola.htm

Interesting to say the least.. although i'm not sure how good/accurate
these forecasts are..

On a slightly different note, some models are interesting at 120 and 144
hours.. i know i know, it's so far out.. but EC is doing something at
144 hours +.. and if was to take any note of a model at 144 hours, it
would be an EC forecast..

MRF also has a strong upper level system for the eastern states at 120
and 144 hours as well, which as i mentioned in a previous email this
week will more than likely be toned down over the next few days.. but
could still be a major system..

 


Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the interesting comments Ben. I particularly like the explanation
> for the southward placement of anticyclones this winter. However, I wonder a
> bit about the moisture one ? Sounds too much like last season. All the
> moisture in the world without heat is useless. I actually prefer my chances
> in a full blown El Nino year at least the storms are not swamped by large
> scale cloud masses. But I hope I am wrong.
> 
> Michael
> 
> >
> > But here is the part i REALLY loved! When i asked if the pattern over
> > the last few months would effect our summer storms, he said that it
> > would.. but not a negative effect, we could see allot more moisture
> > around this summer (could be good for you VIC ppl.. i think your last
> > storm season was so good because of more moisture than normal?).. and of
> > course this could in turn be very good for our storms.. I have been
> > wondering if the pattern during winter would effect our summer storms,
> > but i didn't think it could have a positive impact!!
> >
> >
> 
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