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001 Kevin Burrows [k.burrows at bom.gov.au] Adelaide Radar
002 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Chase BBQ"
003 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] RE: Email Dates
004 Kevin Phyland [kjphyland at techemail.com] New Pix...
005 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Very Dark in Blackheath
006 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Brisbane - cool this November
007 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Brisbane - cool this November
008 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Very Dark in Blackheath
009 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] New Pix...
010 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] New Pix...
011 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] New Pix...
012 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] Big Chase Update
013 Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au Big Chase Update
014 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] Fw: undernet-weather: [WX-TALK] Frustrated observer
015 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] New radar site at Captains Flat
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Hi All,
The following note came through from our techs late in the afternoon of 25
Nov.
To all concerned
Adelaide radar is set for a higher sensitivity than normal at the moment and
so has a larger percentage of clutter on the rapic picture than normal.
This will
be attended to tomorrow 26/11.
The Sellicks Hill 128km scan is still working OK.
Regards
Kevin Burrows
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:13:22 +1100
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Subject: Email Dates - was "Re: aus-wx: Chase BBQ"
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Paul Mossman wrote on Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:15:42 +0930:
>
> Hey would someone kindly ask Matt Smith to please CHNAGE THE DATE ON HIS
> COMPUTER!!
>
> :-)
>
> I keep getting these messages from the future...
This is not as easy as it seems. Let me explain...There are two basic
E-Mail clients floating around;
1) Those that live on one's PC.
2) Those that live via a Java-script/HTML interface somewhere else.
Date/time errors for those in catagory 1) are easy to fix. Just hop
into the Windows or whatever control panel and fix the date/time.
It's a bit mucky with Windows/DOS as control over daylight saving
etc. can sometimes be found in two places; the CMOS clock and the
O/S itself. With my setup, the local time changed OK and Windows95
changed it as well. Net result was +2hrs instead of +1. As I can't
alter the local time easily, I turned off daylight saving correction
in Win95. Wullah. In my UNIX setup, it all runs off GMT synchronised
to some network time server, so I never have to worry.
As for errors in 2), these are often difficult to fix. The problem
is that there are two parts operating to determine what time, hence
the order of E-Mail sorting will be displayed for a given E-Mail
in your client (NetScape, Internet Explorer, Outlook etc.). The
main part is the date/time stamp in the originating message. Take
Matt's example:
...
> Subject: aus-wx: Chase BBQ
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:39:00 EST
...
Later in the E-Mail header, the originating server puts its mark:
...
> Received: from 203.102.212.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
> Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:39:00 PST
...
Now both of these elements are powered by MicroSoft NT, so it
doesn't surprise me that there's a problem:-) When the E-Mail
is finally delivered to hotmail's outgoing SMTP mail server,
(a Sun SparcServer UNIX box), the real date/time is revealed:
...
> Received: (qmail 49093 invoked by uid 0);
> 25 Nov 1999 07:39:00 -0000
...
So the time in NSW/VIC/TAS would be "25 Nov 1999 18:39:00 +1100".
If this time were used by your browser, all would be OK. But
you ask...Why is there an error if Matt's message has a date/time
stamp of "Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:39:00 EST"? Now the time displayed
for this message in Netscape is "Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:39". That's
equivalent to "Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:39 +1100" which becomes
"Thu, 26 Nov 1999 23:39 -0000". How has an error of +1600 come
into the date/time calculation?
Mathematically, the answer is easy: "PDT" is Pacific Date Time
which is GMT -0800, a difference to NSW of -1900. The error
isn't here:-( But what of that label in Matt's E-Mail of "EST"?
We all thought that was "Eastern Standard Time" in Australia.
It is, but it also is "Eastern Standard Time" in the USA. So
what has happened is that the receiving agent has interpreted
the time as EST in the USA which is GMT -0500, a difference of
-1600 hours. So with a date/time stamp of "Thu, 25 Nov 1999
18:39:00 EST", the time displayed in your receiving E-Mail
agent will be 18:39 +1600 hours which is 10:39 today
"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:39".
Now the reason this happens is probably because the browser
analyses the E-Mail headers, saying "this originated in PDT,
therefore the EST label belongs to EST in the USA and not
EST in Australia. QED. To fix it is simple, just select in
the HTML hotmail E-Mail agent either the default timezone
(PDT) and live with it or find some way of forcing the
display to +1100 hrs offset rather than "EST".
Who ever said that keeping time was simple?
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: aus-wx: RE: Email Dates
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:43:25 +1000
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Erk.
Just think,... At some time in the future there will only be global time
(=UTC), and local time & daylight savings will be a thing of ancient
history, just as calendars other than Gregorian are today. Of course, by
then 90% of Earthlings will be living in artificial moons encircling the
globe, thus anything other than UTC is meaningless. This will probably be
called SST (Standard Solar Time) and apply throughout the solar system.
Very off topic, but then the weather is so boring today in brissy what else
is there to do... I hate SE's.
It has been more like summer these last few days with temps at Mt. Crosby in
the high 20's, and hitting 30 on Wednesday. So that Nov low mean max record
is probably not going to be broken.
John.
>snip
This is not as easy as it seems. Let me explain...There are two basic
E-Mail clients floating around;
1) Those that live on one's PC.
2) Those that live via a Java-script/HTML interface somewhere else.
Date/time errors for those in catagory 1) are easy to fix. Just hop
into the Windows or whatever control panel and fix the date/time.
It's a bit mucky with Windows/DOS as control over daylight saving
etc. can sometimes be found in two places; the CMOS clock and the
O/S itself. With my setup, the local time changed OK and Windows95
changed it as well. Net result was +2hrs instead of +1. As I can't
alter the local time easily, I turned off daylight saving correction
in Win95. Wullah. In my UNIX setup, it all runs off GMT synchronised
to some network time server, so I never have to worry.
As for errors in 2), these are often difficult to fix. The problem
is that there are two parts operating to determine what time, hence
the order of E-Mail sorting will be displayed for a given E-Mail
in your client (NetScape, Internet Explorer, Outlook etc.). The
main part is the date/time stamp in the originating message. Take
Matt's example:
...
> Subject: aus-wx: Chase BBQ
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:39:00 EST
...
Later in the E-Mail header, the originating server puts its mark:
...
> Received: from 203.102.212.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
> Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:39:00 PST
...
Now both of these elements are powered by MicroSoft NT, so it
doesn't surprise me that there's a problem:-) When the E-Mail
is finally delivered to hotmail's outgoing SMTP mail server,
(a Sun SparcServer UNIX box), the real date/time is revealed:
...
> Received: (qmail 49093 invoked by uid 0);
> 25 Nov 1999 07:39:00 -0000
...
So the time in NSW/VIC/TAS would be "25 Nov 1999 18:39:00 +1100".
If this time were used by your browser, all would be OK. But
you ask...Why is there an error if Matt's message has a date/time
stamp of "Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:39:00 EST"? Now the time displayed
for this message in Netscape is "Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:39". That's
equivalent to "Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:39 +1100" which becomes
"Thu, 26 Nov 1999 23:39 -0000". How has an error of +1600 come
into the date/time calculation?
Mathematically, the answer is easy: "PDT" is Pacific Date Time
which is GMT -0800, a difference to NSW of -1900. The error
isn't here:-( But what of that label in Matt's E-Mail of "EST"?
We all thought that was "Eastern Standard Time" in Australia.
It is, but it also is "Eastern Standard Time" in the USA. So
what has happened is that the receiving agent has interpreted
the time as EST in the USA which is GMT -0500, a difference of
-1600 hours. So with a date/time stamp of "Thu, 25 Nov 1999
18:39:00 EST", the time displayed in your receiving E-Mail
agent will be 18:39 +1600 hours which is 10:39 today
"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:39".
Now the reason this happens is probably because the browser
analyses the E-Mail headers, saying "this originated in PDT,
therefore the EST label belongs to EST in the USA and not
EST in Australia. QED. To fix it is simple, just select in
the HTML hotmail E-Mail agent either the default timezone
(PDT) and live with it or find some way of forcing the
display to +1100 hrs offset rather than "EST".
Who ever said that keeping time was simple?
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: 25 Nov 1999 14:42:42 -0800
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Hi every1,
I certainly can't compete with the plethora of awesome storm pix posted lately, but I've managed to post some pics of some little rumblies we had here in late autumn...(tardy me!)
Includes a nice wet microburst...
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/mar99.html
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
P.S. I'm waiting to get a film developed showing some very well defined TSs from last Sunday...some real beauts!
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:32:16 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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12:30pm friday.
Very dark here. We are on the Northern edge of a pretty decent storm
development I'd reckon, or am hoping anyway. The southern edge seems to
extend beyond Katoomba.
Just had some large and sparse drops.
The system seems to be heading towards western Sydney just now. First
thunder just heard as I type this...
Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:24:02 -0800
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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Interesting observations there Blair. I enjoyed that. Another email for
my records file. Now, sorry to sound snow/cold weather obsessed but hey,
I live in one of the few cold areas in Oz and I have a thought. I am
wondering if any of these periods/months that have significant maximum
temperature anomalies (in the negative) are actually followed by
chilly/cold/snowy winters? I noticed a number of the good negative
anomalies were in the 60's and 70's, and it was pretty cold in the Blue
Mountains at times during that period. Just a little thought from an
amatuer...I had to get a winter question in. :-)
Lindsay Pearce
Blair Trewin wrote:
>
> >
> > Fascinating stuff Blair. WE've had plenty of days (maximums)in the low
> > teens here in Blackheath and some even struggling to leave single
> > figures with some chilly mornings too.
> >
> > Lindsay Pearce
> >
> I've since been doing some eyeballing of the weekly temperature
> analyses (a surprisingly accurate way of calculating spatial means :-)
> on the Bureau web site.
>
> In each of the last three weeks above-average maximum temperatures
> have been confined to a narrow strip along the WA western coast, and
> a few isolated pockets elsewhere in the country.
>
> I would estimate the all-Australian maximum temperature anomaly for
> the first 23 days of November at -2.6 +/- 0.3 degrees.
>
> To compare, from David Jones' web page (http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/
> mrlr/daj/), the largest negative anomalies for maximum temperature
> in Australia since 1950 are:
>
> -3.02 May 1968
> -2.91 May 1960
> -2.68 October 1975
> -2.64 January 1974
> -2.49 April 1983
> -2.37 January 1976
> -2.36 January 1984
> -2.20 February 1974
> -2.19 October 1976
> -2.08 September 1978
> -2.07 July 1957
> -2.07 October 1964
>
> The November record is -1.82, set in 1981. Even allowing for some
> warming in the next week, as forecast (particularly in southern
> Australia), it is highly likely that November 1999 will set a
> November record and be the largest negative anomaly in any month
> since 1984.
>
> By way of comparison, the largest positive anomalies on record are:
>
> 2.68 October 1988
> 2.49 September 1980
> 2.43 March 1986
> 2.40 February 1983
> 2.34 December 1972
> 2.28 February 1965
> 2.23 April 1981
> 2.08 November 1990
> 2.05 August 1977
> 2.04 October 1991
> 2.00 August 1982
>
> Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane - cool this November
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:47:06 +1100 (EST)
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>
> Interesting observations there Blair. I enjoyed that. Another email for
> my records file. Now, sorry to sound snow/cold weather obsessed but hey,
> I live in one of the few cold areas in Oz and I have a thought. I am
> wondering if any of these periods/months that have significant maximum
> temperature anomalies (in the negative) are actually followed by
> chilly/cold/snowy winters? I noticed a number of the good negative
> anomalies were in the 60's and 70's, and it was pretty cold in the Blue
> Mountains at times during that period. Just a little thought from an
> amatuer...I had to get a winter question in. :-)
>
>
Couldn't find much evidence at a first glance. Many of the really
large anomalies, especially in summer, are driven by cloudy conditions
in central and northern Australia - the south-east only makes a small
contribution to a national average. (In particular, the Januaries
of 1974 and 1976 were extremely wet months in much of the inland).
It's also not uncommon for the south-eastern coasts to run counter to
a national trend - for example, February 1997, an exceptionally hot
month in the south-east (the hottest month on record at Melbourne)
had a mean national maximum slightly below average.
Blair Trewin
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:54:01 +1100
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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The radar shows some pink and a little green and another cell has formed
to the west and northeast of it. They appear to be merging. It's
probably heading for North Richmond.
>From Seven Hills the storm has a developing anvil but much of it is
obscured by low cloud and haze.There is other scattered moderate
convection and a peculiar looking development is going on over northern
coastal suburbs.
A southeast change is expected about 2pm in Sydney.
Lindsay wrote:
>
> 12:30pm friday.
>
> Very dark here. We are on the Northern edge of a pretty decent storm
> development I'd reckon, or am hoping anyway. The southern edge seems to
> extend beyond Katoomba.
>
> Just had some large and sparse drops.
>
> The system seems to be heading towards western Sydney just now. First
> thunder just heard as I type this...
>
> Lindsay Pearce
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From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: New Pix...
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:58:42 +1000
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Hi Kevin,
ya sure? This URL gives me error 404 not found.
>snip
Hi every1,
I certainly can't compete with the plethora of awesome storm pix posted
lately, but I've managed to post some pics of some little rumblies we had
here in late autumn...(tardy me!)
Includes a nice wet microburst...
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/mar99.html
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:22:37 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey John, Kevin, Everyone..
I think Kevin meant to paste this URL:
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/4/mar99.html
Some great pictures in there kevin! Especially this one..
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/4/CBmarch99.JPG
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> ya sure? This URL gives me error 404 not found.
> >snip
> Hi every1,
>
> I certainly can't compete with the plethora of awesome storm pix posted
> lately, but I've managed to post some pics of some little rumblies we had
> here in late autumn...(tardy me!)
>
> Includes a nice wet microburst...
>
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/mar99.html
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Oops!
Left a little "4" out....
try this...
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/4/mar99.html
Kevin
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>To:
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: New Pix...
>Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:58:42 +1000
>
>Hi Kevin,
>
>ya sure? This URL gives me error 404 not found.
> >snip
>Hi every1,
>
>I certainly can't compete with the plethora of awesome storm pix posted
>lately, but I've managed to post some pics of some little rumblies we had
>here in late autumn...(tardy me!)
>
>Includes a nice wet microburst...
>
>http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/4/mar99.html
>
>Cheers,
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:37:10 +1100
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
Just heard from Anthony Cornelius - the chasers are near Cunnamulla in
central inland southern QLD (on the charleville radar).. so far today
they have seen several storms and one nice shelf cloud.. when i was on
the phone to them they were driving through heavy rain and experiencing
some flash flooding.. there is nothing on charleville radar where they
are.. Cunnamulla is a fair way SW of Charleville, but you would think
there would be more on radar than what there is (dark blue as i'm
writing this email)..
I also just heard from Matt Smith and James Harris - they are at
Bathurst (on the sydney broad scale radar).. they said it was "going
off" with a very nice cell between Orange and Bathurst which they
thought would be red on radar for sure - but it was only light blue when
they called, and still light blue now.. I think Bathurst is quite high
up.. by the sounds of it, it's in a major radar hole..
Matt and James are planning on heading NW towards Dubbo this afternoon,
and will then reassess the situation from there for tomorrow..
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> ya sure? This URL gives me error 404 not found.
> >snip
> Hi every1,
>
> I certainly can't compete with the plethora of awesome storm pix posted
> lately, but I've managed to post some pics of some little rumblies we had
> here in late autumn...(tardy me!)
>
> Includes a nice wet microburst...
>
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/mar99.html
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
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From: Paul.Mossman at DWNNICH.OCA.nt.gov.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Big Chase Update
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:36:25 +0930
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Thanx for the update Ben.
Just goes to show that sometimes when people report happenings we have to go on
what they say is happening and not radar as has been proved by this email.
Always better human obs. -v- Computer obs.
aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com on 26/11/99 02:33:34 PM
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
Just heard from Anthony Cornelius - the chasers are near Cunnamulla in
central inland southern QLD (on the charleville radar).. so far today
they have seen several storms and one nice shelf cloud.. when i was on
the phone to them they were driving through heavy rain and experiencing
some flash flooding.. there is nothing on charleville radar where they
are.. Cunnamulla is a fair way SW of Charleville, but you would think
there would be more on radar than what there is (dark blue as i'm
writing this email)..
I also just heard from Matt Smith and James Harris - they are at
Bathurst (on the sydney broad scale radar).. they said it was "going
off" with a very nice cell between Orange and Bathurst which they
thought would be red on radar for sure - but it was only light blue when
they called, and still light blue now.. I think Bathurst is quite high
up.. by the sounds of it, it's in a major radar hole..
Matt and James are planning on heading NW towards Dubbo this afternoon,
and will then reassess the situation from there for tomorrow..
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> ya sure? This URL gives me error 404 not found.
> >snip
> Hi every1,
>
> I certainly can't compete with the plethora of awesome storm pix posted
> lately, but I've managed to post some pics of some little rumblies we had
> here in late autumn...(tardy me!)
>
> Includes a nice wet microburst...
>
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/mar99.html
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Fw: undernet-weather: [WX-TALK] Frustrated observer
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:10:15 +1100
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Hi All,
Got this on the undernet weather list today....it's worth a giggle or 2.....
John
Subject: undernet-weather: [WX-TALK] Frustrated observer
> HAHAAHAHAHAH
>
>
>
> >The following ob was from Fulton County Airport, GA, this morning: (I am
> >not kidding)
> >
> >
> >KFTY 251109Z 32003KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR SCT003 SCT013 OVC044 16/16 A3004 RMK
> >AO2 THE ASOS IS A STUPID PIECE OF SHIT P0004
> >
> >I don't think that remark is in the observer's manual....:-)
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From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]
To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com]
Subject: aus-wx: New radar site at Captains Flat
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:33:03 +1100
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Hi all,
I attended a BOM storm spotters seminar at
Queanbeyan today. Whilst I didn't actually learn a lot that anyone who has been
on this list for a while wouldn't otherwise know, there were a few interesting
tidbits to keep my attention - and some interesting storm slides. (Sadly the
field examples I had been hoping for didn't develop in this region today - other
than some distant cb tops visible to the far north.)
What was particularly significant was the
announcement by Clem Jones, OIC Canberra BOM, that a new radar site will be
established at Captains Flat and should be operational in the next 6 months.
This is great news for Canberra (a long way from Sydney and the intermittently
offline Wagga). It will also provide much needed improved coverage for large
areas of the Southern Tablelands (and eastern parts of the Snowy Mtns) as well
as the South Coast and up to the Illawarra. A lot of low and middle level cloud
rain events in SE NSW currently go completely undetected on radar and many
storms are underestimated or not seen - especially if Wagga is offline for
radiosonde tracking.
As the group in the spotter seminar were mostly
NSW National Parks staff and a few Canberra emergency service personnel, it was
interesting to (again) pick up perceptions of what members of the general public
know about storms/severe weather.
There were questions about the difference
between cyclones and tornadoes, amazement when the reality of tornadoes in
Australia was explained. There was further amusement about Twister and the fact
that people in the US might actually chase storms with the hope of finding
tornadoes.
At this stage I had to explain that as I spoke
there was currently a team of 20-30 Australians (+ a couple from o/s) who were
roaming NW NSW and Sthn Qld with precisely the aim of finding severe storms and
hoping to observe tornadoes.
The group was left speechless; there were then a
couple of questions along the lines of "are they mad", "isn't it
dangerous"?
I explained that while there were risks, the
people concerned had a pretty good idea of the structure of storms and could use
their knowledge to manage the degree to which they placed themselves at risk.
One of the aims of the Australian chase was to increase our knowledge of the
storms that occur in areas of low population density.
I wished I had more forcefully made the point
that the bigger risk is borne by the general public - unaware of the real
dangers posed by Australian storms. I think that message was made pretty clear
during the course of the day - the slides of Australian tornadoes certainly
reinforced the point.
Sorry about the essay,
Patrick
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