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001 "James Harris" [jimbohar at hotmail.com]          Re: Back from chase & todays action
002 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Supercell ....
003 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Brisbane - cool this November
004 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Big Chase Update
005 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Big Chase Update
006 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Big Chase Update
007 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Sydney Sea Surface Temperature During April
008 Paul Mossman [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]            The Trough From hell...................
009 astroman [astroman at chariot.net.au]             Link update for SA page
010 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]           Back from the chase - a success & a great learning experienc
011 Mark Little [mark at brigadoon.apana.org.au]      Weather Observation Database Development

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001
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From: "James Harris" [jimbohar at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Re: Back from chase & todays action
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 00:38:23 EST
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Hi Everyone also,

Yes after a total of over 8000kms in two weeks I have just got back also.
Today was a great day for the chasers including myself with some great cells 
forming over the Upper Hunter and moving north from around 2 - 3 pm today. 
We hadnt seen storms for nearly 4 days and was starting to feel the old SDS. 
BUT alas after following the trough from Victoria all the way up to the 
Hunter it fired.
There were a number of cells which formed but the one we had our eye on was 
a rather suspicious looking cell to the North of Merriwa over the Liverpool 
and Coolah ranges. I know that we have some fantastic shots of suspicious 
lowerings and some possible microbursts also from today. BUT it cured my 
SDS. 1
Now Im back in beautiful sydney with StratoCu covering the whole sky !!

I would also like to back up what Anthony had to say before also. I know it 
was fantastic that after 5 minutes of meeting them all I felt like I knew 
all of them for years. We all got on so well and even though there wernt 
storms everyday were still having fun (Gotta love the CB talk ) It was 
amazing how well we all got on and the respect we had for each other also.

Thanks Matt Smith for organising the chase, I appreciate your time and 
effort you put into it, and Im sure we would all agree that it was a 
success. Once againo thanks to all those who came. Im sure you all agree 
that this is only the beginning.

James H


>From: Anthony Cornelius 
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>Subject: aus-wx: Back from the "End of Year Chase"
>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 19:49:34 +1000
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've finally arrived home, but I have to leave again soon to visit my
>parents at their farm (another 1.5hrs in the car driving - wooohoo!!!)
>I'm rather tired right now, so excuse any spelling mistakes/typo's :)
>
>Well - we saw some great stuff, but also had a share of busts.  All in
>all, we saw much more than what we would have seen here in ridgy
>Brisbane.  None the less, the weather didn't quite do what we wanted it
>to do, it seems summer in SE QLD/NE NSW still has not yet arrived, thus
>forcing us into outback SW QLD to chase a few cells there.
>
>I won't focus so much on the weather aspect of this email though, but
>rather I'd like to focus on how well everyone interacted with each
>other.  Never in my life, have I seen a group, interact so well with
>each other.  The trust, and comradship was unbelievable, many people
>barely knew each other, yet within minutes, it was as if we had all been
>friends for years.  I've never seen this before, and was quite
>overwhelmed by it.  If this is representative of ASWA as an entire
>group, then I believe that ASWA will be extremely successful in its
>coming years.  With people like these, ASWA will go all the way.  I'm
>certainly looking forward to meeting everyone again soon in the near
>future.  I hope everyone else enjoyed this aspect as much as I did, as
>it was the social aspect of the chase that was by far the most
>enjoyable.
>
>I'll eventually have a report + photos of the chase in the coming weeks
>on BSCH, and I know that Jane will be putting a lot of stuff on MSC -
>including some hilarious comments and occurrances during the chase (I
>think!)
>
>Before I rush off to the farm - I'd like to thank all those who helped
>us along the chase.  In particular, I'd like to thank Ben Quinn.  I
>phoned him nearly everyday (sometimes 2-4 times a day), to receive
>radar/sat pic/model updates.  He even put up with my abruptness over the
>phone when I was in a rush to get the info ASAP!  But I don't believe
>we'd have been able to accomplish all we did without him giving us a
>continuous feed of updates.
>--
>Anthony Cornelius
>Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>(ASWA)
>(07) 3390 4812
>14 Kinsella St
>Belmont, Brisbane
>QLD, 4153
>Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
>reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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002
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:17:13 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

Finally back home (this time to stay!), sifting through 500+ emails, but
I've decided to tackle the aus-wx ones before the 150+ personal emails
(if you have sent me a personal email, apologies for any lateness in
replying!).

Ben Quinn wrote:
> 
> Hey John, everyone..
> 
> I spoke to Anthony this morning and he said that a BOM person said on
> the phone to a radio station that it was a supercell.. I spoke to Jeff
> at the severe weather section this morning and he had not yet gone over
> the data for the storm (and didn't know anything about it being
> confirmed as a supercell).. but he said that the storm had a BWER at one
> stage.. they might be interested to hear that the storm had no real
> visual signs of rotation..

I think they actually judged it more on the way it moved, the BoM
spokesman was saying "it moves to the left of the other cells" when
describing how a supercell moves.  When talking to Jeff the day after to
report the Dalby supercell + dust vorticy (now believed to be a tornado
after close inspection of the footage), he mentioned that "shear was
perfect for supercells" - essentially, he said that Brisbane was very
fortunate that it was cloudy, or Brisbane would have been in a fair bit
of trouble!
 
We saw some large updrafts well to the east, and Jimmy did too, not sure
if this was from the associated cell though, all sense of time was lost
on the chase - I was giving the guys a hard time when I first met them
because they couldn't remember what day it was...yet 2-3 days later, I
couldn't remember either!!!

Anthony Cornelius
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:21:25 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

This is probably old news to some, but while watching the news in
Cunnamulla, they said Brisbane recorded its lowest monthly average
November maximum on record.  And all you southerners though we were
girls complaining about the cold!

It was 15C at the farm this morning though, brrrr :-(

-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:32:35 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

Ben Quinn wrote:

> Matt Smith and James Harris met up with the main group of chasers
> earlier on this afternoon.. and are chasing the same storms i have
> described above..

There was classic chaser convergence on this squall line...we were
driving south, and spotted two people on the side of the road with
cameras and tripods, and over the CB we were talking about "hey, are
these other storm chasers????" until we stopped, and realised it was
Matt Smith and James Harris!  Great cell though...even better Cb's at
the chinese restaurant too 

-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:03:33 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Ben and all,

Ben Quinn wrote:
> 

 it's quite hot where they are (35c or so they estimate)
> and very very dry with a RH of around 15-20% with clear skies with
> streaks of cirrus.. 

Actually - all measurements are 'exact.'  Greg Browning and Jane both
had a "Kestrel"  (we nick named it "Dr Dewpoint), this was a FANTASTIC
little tool, it's a hand held anneometer - with temperature, RH,
dewpoint, heat index, wind chill, max wind gust.  I'm certainly saving
up for one.  I have heard rumours that ASWA will be selling these at a
discounted retail price too, but I'm not sure of anything concrete quite
yet, but I highly recommend it, as it was just fantastic!  It's great to
get measurements around storms too, and watch how the DP changes around
drylines too.

They are some distance ahead of the trough at the
> moment, and i think they are probably in a reasonably good position for
> any action with the latest EC run moving the trough east to between
> about Sydney and Canberra by 12z tonight..

Some great ACCAS around that day - fizzed out though :-(  Don't believe
I've ever seen a pre-frontal trough fizzle like that.  Then again, I've
never seen a southern cold front during summer!  (as in actually
experience a situation at hand).
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:46:07 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,

Looks like I've changed rolls now, from being the informer, to being the
receiver.  I much prefered being the informer!

Greg Browning has contacted me periodically today keeping me informed of
their progress.  This morning looked nice, with a few small towers
shooting up.  A largish cell formed near them, and they said the anvil
looked quite nice.  Another Cb shot up to their north, but it quickly
died.  Soon, a SE-ESE wind came in, and everything fell collapsed.  They
were originally thinking of calling the day off, when another cell
popped up to their north with another overshooting top.  It was moving
N, with a slight westward propogation.  It seemed to strengthen a little
on radar into the pink, but unfortunately, it looks like it's
collapsed.  Probably too reliant on the surface max heating, which
wouldn't be too surprising given the somewhat inadequete low level
moisture.  The other thing is that shear is still remarkably weak
(almost non-existant).  I think the chasers will have to put up with
another couple of days of pulse activity along the trough until the next
major system rolls in - which looks like Thursday.  EC has it very nice,
but it won't be nearly as good as it looks now when the time comes
(well, very unlikely anyway unfortunately).  But the models are tipping
a 120kn jet behind the next front + upper level cold pool, so lets hope
the last 4 chasers stick around for this next system before heading back
home.
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:13:05 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Sea Surface Temperature During April
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Hi all,

While doing a bit of searching around, I found a SST figure for the
Sydney around the middle of April of this year.  This was ~23C, which I
thought was quite warm.  Is this figure a reasonable figure and one that
could be trusted?

Also - in regards to SST's, what is the humidity over the ocean, above
the surface?  I wouldn't imagine it to be over 90%, but perhaps some one
could give me a better indication?

Thanks - much appreciated.
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 20:07:16 +0930
From: Paul Mossman [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: The Trough From hell...................
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Howdy all.

Well so much for this supposed "wet season"!!

Had about 20mm of rain in 12 days - and havnt seen a proper storm that
wasnt embedded in heaps of other stuff for ages.

Seems that this stagnating trough linking to a Low near Timor is
stuffing the weather well & truly - I mean our forecast for the next few
days is "fine - partly cloudy......." sounds like a Sydney / Melbourne /
Brisbane forecast!

Ohh well - even the BOM guys are bored............

Paul at darwin.
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From: astroman [astroman at chariot.net.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Link update for SA page
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Hi all,

Everyone with the link http://lightning.virtualave.net which was for the 
South Australian severe weather and lightning page, could you please change 
your links to http://sastorms.virtualave.net I will be putting up the new 
page later this week, when I get the Domain info. The title for the new 
page is "The official South Australian Severe Weather watch Homepage"

This page will be for all South Australian members of the ASWA and 
contributions to the page would be handy. For example, Photographs of 
weather from South Australia of themselves or anything really.. Plus any 
information regarding weather in South Australia would be good also and all 
images and information on the page are credited to their rightful author. 
Also chase stories can come later..

Please note http://lightning.virtualave.net is no longer valid and you will 
receive a Forbidden message if sent there.

For those South Australians who get this message twice sorry for the extra 
copy.

Regards

Andrew Wall
SA/NT state rep for the ASWA Inc.

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010
From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Back from the chase - a success & a great learning experience
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:14:11 +1100
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Got back tonight sometime after 10pm. The chasers from Victoria will put
together reports etc, catch up with those new members we have had in the
last fortnight, and catch up with everyone soon - all I can say at the
moment after 7,000kms chasing in Victoria, NSW & Queensland - AN ABSOLUTELY
FANTASTIC EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!

It was great to meet everyone, to swap stories pictures & videos, visit
places we'd never been before (and talk about a couple of those places we'll
never never go to ever ever again!!!!!!), play cricket in the middle of the
Australian bush in between storms & generally just have fun & learn.

Currently Michael Thompson, Greg Browning, Gabby & Matt Smith are hiking
around northern NSW continuing on northwards with the systems and having
success - lots of luck to all.  To those of you who participated over the
past fortnight, it was just great spending time with you
all..............................catch you soon.  (If you'd seen a 7 car
convoy going through towns in the north leaving the locals absolutely open
mouthed )

Jane

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Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.)
Melbourne Storm Chasers
Email: cadence at rubix.net.au
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011
From: Mark Little [mark at brigadoon.apana.org.au]
Organization: Brigadoon - A part of the APANA Network
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Subject: aus-wx: Weather Observation Database Development
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:38:52 +1030
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For those who may be interested, the following page shows the protyped front
end for the (freeware) weather observation database I'm developing. The set up
controls alter the input fields where required and the video capture works. The
database code is being altered to ensure that all units are converted to metric
before storage in the database. Data plotting direct from the database has been
trialled, but is not included the current code as yet.

I'm interested in finding good images of the various cloud types that I can
include as examples (without getting into copyright fights, if possible). I'm
also interested in photos which demonstrate the 100 current weather categories.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

http://brigadoon.apana.org.au/software/WeatherScribe.html

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Mark Little
"His fingers harping the net mesh;"
 - The Net-Menders by Brian Vrepont
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