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Australian Weather Mailing List Archives: Wednesday, 26 January 2000

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001 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]        Archives
002 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Alice Springs radar
003 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     USA Winter?
004 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Forgive me.....one more please....models.....
005 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Remember the "No surprise Wx svc."?
006 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Remember the "No surprise Wx svc."?
007 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           Alice Springs radar
008 "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]     Remember the "No surprise Wx svc."?
009 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Fwd: book project
010 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    Interesting Alice Radar
011 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   USA Winter?
012 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Interesting Alice Radar
013 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           (OT) Australia Day
014 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)          Archives
015 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Alice Springs radar
016 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]   Sunshine..Woohooo !!!
017 Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au  USA Winter?
018 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au]             Sunshine..Woohooo !!!
019 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]  Sunshine..Woohooo !!!
020 steve baynham [bayns at broad.net.au]             lifted index
021 "Paul Mossman" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au]          Radar
022 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        Sunshine..Woohooo !!!
023 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]        USA Winter?
024 Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au]        (OT) Australia Day
025 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           USA Winter?
026 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz]         Re: aussie-weather-digest V1 #460
027 steve baynham [bayns at broad.net.au]             cape
028 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]  No record dry January for Canberra
029 "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net]           USA Winter?
030 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]  NZ outlook
031 Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au]        lifted index
032 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           more pics if you wish!!!
033 Dean S [deansgar at alphalink.com.au]             Melbourne Rainfall
034 "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au]  lifted index
035 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              lifted index
036 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    lifted index
037 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]    lifted index
038 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]              BSCH Picture Update
039 Norman Lynagh [lynagh at dial.pipex.com]          USA Winter?
040 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Fwd: Question on dust storms!
041 Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au]          Fwd: Question on dust storms!
042 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]           USA Winter?
043 "Rod Aikman" [raikman at hotmail.com]             Bendigo rainfall
044 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]           Melbourne Australia Day Out report
045 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]         New chaser in the family
046 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           New chaser in the family
047 "Max King" [mnk at Dingoblue.net.au]              New chaser in the family
048 Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au]           Fwd: Question on dust storms!

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001
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Subject: aus-wx: Archives
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:53:05 EST
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Hi every1,

I've added some enhanced IR, visible and water vapour pix to my archived 
stuff...

I'm sure most is available elsewhere but I have a pack-rat mentality 

Not every day is represented and if it is it's because something caught my 
eye...I apologise for the unwieldy download process but I'm trying to cover 
both Apple and other platforms...

Two questions:
[1] Am I re-inventing the wheel? (i.e. are the things I'm archiving 
available at some site I'm unaware of?)...and
[2] Are they easily downloadable, useful and/or of an appropriate 
size/format?

http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/4/     SECTION F

And if anyone can advise me of an easier way to post them please tell me! 


Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:48:09 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Alice Springs radar
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Keep in mind that actual dust particulates are too small for S and C-band 
radar detection.  If areas of airborne dust are detected, there are larger
particulates within the dust.....insects? or blowing debris of some kind. 
At any rate, the dust itself will not be detected.

Les

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:12:00 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter?
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Lindsay Pearce wrote:

> > Hey, anyone got more info on the USA weather, particularly their
> > apparent cold snap (according to the news) that reached the more
> > southern states? Heard they had some unusual snow/ice storms down
south.
> >

Yes, the deep south in AL and GA have had snow, ice, sleet, etc.  The
eastern seaboard is being hit hard.  Now, I know this reply will take the
list too far from Aussie wx.....but bare with me, I will list only this
message from this morning:

PROBABILISTIC HEAVY SNOW AND ICING DISCUSSION
NATIONAL CENTERS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PREDICTION
HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER...NWS...CAMP SPRINGS MD
955 AM EST TUE JAN 25 2000

12HR HEAVY SNOW AND ICING FCST VT JAN 25/1800 UTC THRU JAN 26/0600 UTC
REFERENCE AFOS GRAPHIC 93S

THE MAJOR WINTER STORM WL CONT TO POUND LARGE SECTIONS OF THE ERN
SEABOARD THIS PERIOD.  THE 0600 ETA AND 0600 AVN RUNS DID NOT SHOW ANY
SGFNT CHANGES FROM THE 0000 UTC MODELS.  WITH THE TRACK OF THE SFC
CNTR EXPECTED TO PUSH FROM OFF OF THE DELMARVA NEWD ACRS SERN NEW
ENGLAND...THE COMMA HEAD PCPN WL LIKELY REMAIN CNTRD FROM CNTRL VA
NWD THRU THE DC METRO AREA..ERN PA...ERN NY.  THIS WL LIKELY BE THE
REGION OF THE HEAVIEST SNOW THIS PERIOD WITH ADDITIONAL AMTS IN THE 6-
12" RANGE.  ACRS NEW ENGLAND...A DRY SLOT WL LIKELY PUNCH NWD LATER
THIS AFTERNOON.  HVY SNOWS ARE LIKELY AHEAD OF THIS DRY SLOT...BUT IT
SHOULD NOT BE AS LONG A DURATION AS POINTS FARTHER WEST WHICH WL
REMAIN IN THE COMMA HEAD.  COASTAL LOCATIONS OF SRN/SERN NEW
ENGLAND AND THE NYC METRO AREA  WL ALSO LIKELY SEE A MIX OR A CHANGE
OVR THE RAIN AS THE VERY STRONG ELY LOW LEVEL FLOW AHEAD OF THIS
STORM BRINGS IN WARM AIR AT SOME LEVEL ABOVE THE SFC.

UPSTREAM OVR THE GTLKS...RADAR LOOPS ALREADY SHOWING SNOW BANDS
DEVELOPING ALONG THE LONG AXIS OF LAKE MI AS THE LOW LEVEL FLOW IS
BECOMING NLY.  THIS LOW LEVEL NLY FLOW ALONG THE LONG AXIS OF LAKE MI
IS EXPECTED TO CONT THIS PERIOD.  THIS WL LIKELY BRING THE HIGHEST
PROBABILITY OF HVY SNOW OVR EXTREME SWRN MI AND NWRN IN.  THERE WL
BE A LOWER PROBABILITY OF HVY SNOWS ALONG THE ERN SHORE OF LAKE MI
AS THE BANDS MAY TEND TO REMAIN JUST OFF SHORE WITH THE LOW LEVEL
FLOW REMAINING NEARLY NLY.  OFF OF SUPERIOR...THE LOW LEVEL FLOW WL
ALSO BE NLY THIS PERIOD. THIS WL LIKELY BRING HVY SNOWS TO THE U.P. WITH
THE CNTRL SECTION OF THE U.P. IN THE HIGHEST THREAT.  NLY LOW LEVEL
FLOW WL ALSO DEVELOP OFF OF LAKE HURON.  THIS WL BRING AT LEAST A LOW
THREAT OF HVY SNOWS FOR THE THUMB AREA OF MI TO THE EAST OF SAGINAW
BAY.

NO SIGNIFICANT ICING IS EXPECTED THIS PERIOD.


12HR HEAVY SNOW AND ICING FCST VT JAN 26/0600 UTC THRU JAN 26/1800 UTC
REFERENCE AFOS GRAPHIC 94S

THE BIG EAST COAST LOW WL BEGIN TO ACCELERATE NEWD THIS PERIOD IN
RESPONSE TO THE RE-AMPLIFICATION OF THE UPR TROF UPSTREAM OVR THE
MID ATL.  STILL EXPECT A WELL DEFINED COMMA HEAD TO CONT FOR AT LEAST
THE FIRST 6 HOURS OF THIS PERIOD ACRS NEW ENGLAND.  PROBABILITY IS STILL
HIGH FOR HVY SNOW IN THIS COMMA HEAD. HOWEVER...THE TREND TOWARD
SHEARING AND WEAKENING OF THIS SYSTEM THIS PERIOD WL LIKELY KEEP
SNOW AMTS LESS THAN IN THE FIRST PERIOD...WITH AMTS OF 4-6" ACRS NRN
NEW ENGLAND.

ACRS THE GTLKS...THE LOW LEVEL NLY FLOW WL BEGIN TO WEAKEN THIS
PERIOD AND BACK SLIGHTLY OFF OF ALL OF THE GTLKS AS THE UPR TROF AXIS
BEGINS TO PUSH EWD.  THE SLIGHT BACKING OF THE LOW LEVEL TRAJECTORIES
OFF OF MI MAY ALLOW SNOW BANDS TO AFFECT THE WRN SHORE OF THE L.P
MORE THAN IN THE FIRST PERIOD.   LAKE EFFECT BANDS ALSO EXPECTED TO
CONT OFF OF SUPERIOR AND AFFECT THE U.P. OF MI AND OFF OF
HURON...AFFECTING THE THUMB REGION TO THE EAST OF SAGINAW BAY.

ACRS THE PANHANDLE OF TX/OK...ISENTROPIC LIFT SHOULD INCREASE AHEAD OF
THE UPR VORT MOVG THRU THE SWRN U.S. THIS PERIOD.  THIS SYS IS MOVG
FAST...SO ONLY A LOW PROBABILITY OF HVY SNOWS AHEAD OF THIS SYS.

ORAVEC/FORECAST OPERATIONS BRANCH

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PRODUCT PLEASE SEE
HTTP://WWW.HPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WW.HTML

GRAPHICS AVAILABLE ON THE WEB AT HTTP://WWW.HPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/

Note the url's.  Parts of NC already have had over 30 cm of snow.   I will
refrain from listing other messages like this again.  [S]

Besides, I am envious, I wish we would get some of this in the central US. 


Because I have already departed so far from the list topics, let me mention
one other thing.  On Sunday afternoon we had a 2 to 3 hour period of snow
as a short wave past.  With the short wave, temperatures dropped sharply
and visibilities in local areas lowered to ~ 10 to 20 meters. 
Additionally, "black ice" developed on the pavement in some areas.  Along a
section of an interstate hiway near the Kansas City airport, an 18-wheeler
jack knifed, amidst this heavy snow band.  The glaze of ice was such that
other oncoming traffic could not stop and plowed into the truck and other
involved automobiles and trucks.  In all, about 24 cars and 7 trucks were
involved.  One of the trucks had sulfuric acid which burst into flame.  The
fire spread to virtually all the vehicles.  Ten people died, burned to
death in their vehicles, and most beyond recognition.  All this when only
about 5 cm of snow feel.  Human tragedy from even these small disturbances
can be incredible.

Ok.....as I said....I will not do this again......going back into
hiding......

Les

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:46:24 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Forgive me.....one more please....models.....
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Please forgive me.  Allow me to post this.  There has been much discussion
on here concerning the numerical models and their performance.  Because of
that, I thought you all might be interested in the following forecast
discussion out of Washington DC this morning:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON
1000 AM EST TUE JAN 25 2000
 
...WOW...
 
EATING A LOT OF HUMBLE PIE THIS MORNING BUT NOT A LOT OF TIME TO DIGEST IT 
YET.  
TOO BAD THE MDLS CAN'T ANSWER ALL THE PHONE CALLS. 12Z MON MDLS VALID FOR
12Z 
TUE WERE THE MOST HORRIBLE I HAVE SEEN IN MY 10 YRS IN THE NWS. NOT ONE OF
THE 
3 MAIN MDLS FCSTD ANYTHING NEAR WARNING
CRITERIA FOR THE DCA AREA. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE WELL EXCEEDED WARNING
CRITERIA. ALL OFFICES WERE ON THE SAME PAGE...TOO BAD IT WAS THE WRONG
PAGE FOR SOME OF US.
 
MDLS DID A PITIFUL JOB IN FCSTG THE STRENGTH AND POSITION OF THE
COASTAL LOW AND THE ASSOCIATED UPR LVL LOW. THE SFC LOW IS MUCH DEEPER
THAN FCST AND CLOSER TO THE CST. THE BUOY 44014 HAD N WINDS EARLIER
THIS MORNING AND NOW HAS SE WINDS...INDICATING THE SFC LOW HAS NUDGED
NW-WARD CLOSER TO THE CST THE PAST FEW HRS. SFC LOW IS LIKELY PIVOTING
NW-WARD ON THE E SIDE OF THE 500MB CUT OFF. MESO-ETA SEEMS TO HAVE A
HANDLE ON THE SFC LOW AND ITS TRACK THIS AFTERNOON. AS 500MB LOW LIFTS
NWD ALONG THE CST THE ASSOCIATED SFC LOW BECOMES VERTICALLY
STACKED...THE ENTIRE SYSTEM SHUD BEGIN LIFTING NWD. SFC LOW WL CONTINUE TO 
DEEPEN.
 
MESO-ETA INDICATES POTENTIAL FOR QUASI-STATIONARY BAND OF SNOW BETWEEN
THE BAY AND THE BLUE RIDGE THIS AFTERNOON. THE MDL INDICATES HIGHEST
VVS AND BEST FORCING IN THE DCA TO BWI CORRIDER AND THE WESTERN SUBURBS OF
DCA 

AND BWI. THIS AREA WL REMAIN IN THE PIVOT REGION AS UPR LVL SYSTEM LIFTS
NWD. 
SNOWFALL WL BE AIDED BY GOOD MOISTURE INFLUX FROM ATLC OCEAN AS WELL.
EXPECT 
BANDS TO MOVE INLAND FROM THE BAY AND
PERSIST BETWEEN THE BLUE RIDGE AND DCA/BWI AREAS. SNOW WL TAPER A BIT
ALONG THE BAY BUT STILL EXPECT PERIODS OF SNOW THIS AFTERNOON. PTYPE
COULD BE A MIX OF SN/PE ALONG THE BAY AS WARM AIR GETS WRAPPED WWD.  WL
ADJUST 

ACCUMS AS NEEDED BASED ON 88D IMAGERY AND OBSERVATIONS.
 
WL HIGHLIGHT THE BLOWING AND DRIFTING SINCE STRONG WINDS WL OCCUR E OF
THE BLUE RIDGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE TIGHTENING GRADIENT. STRONG WINDS WL 
PERSIST 
INTO TNGT SO CONTINUING BLSN/DRSN.

Interesting........ok, ok, now I will go into hiding!!  

Les

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:55:00 -0500
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com]
Subject: aus-wx: Remember the "No surprise Wx svc."?
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Remember the new US NWS supper computer.....and the no surprise wx svc? 

Hummmmm..........I wonder what they will say now?  

Ok........I promise.....this is the last!

les

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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:32:29 +0000
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times in GMT
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"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:

Remember the new US NWS supper computer
                        ^^^^^^

Presumably the weather's eaten it for Breakfast!

Les (UK)
 

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  007 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:36:04 +0000 From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times in GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Alice Springs radar Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote: > Keep in mind that actual dust particulates Isn't that area chock full of iron oxide (red dust) ..... perhaps thats what the radar is seeing.... Anyone know anything about the radar reflectivity of iron oxide? My 1/100 $AU's worth! Les (UK) ------------------------------------------------------ Les Crossan Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK http://www.torro.org.uk/ Email: les.NOSPAMcrossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM) ICQ: 17296776 ------------------------------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 008 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:28:38 -0500 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" [lrlemon at compuserve.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remember the "No surprise Wx svc."? To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id OAA17496 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com LOL.........my goal is to someday learn to spell!! LOL ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Tel. 816-373-3533, 816-213-3237 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 009 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:06:31 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: book project Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just thought I would post this on the list for those interested. You may have the things he is looking for. I think he means things like Sydney Tower in fog, or perhaps struck by lightning, or better still giant hailstones!!! Jimmy Deguara >Delivered-To: jdeguara at j.pop.ihug.com.au >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:58:29 -0500 >From: Nitzan >Reply-To: nitzan at mindspring.com >Organization: Nitzan >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: jdeguara at ihug.com.au >Subject: book project > >Hello there, > >I am currently working on an important book project and am looking for a >very specific >type of photographs. > >Beautiful minimal images of national or international recognizable >landmarks in foggy/misty/stormy/low visibility conditions. > >Do you have photographs of landmarks that might fit that criteria? > >Please advise, > >Many thanks, > >Nitzan >New york city. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 010 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:06:01 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Interesting Alice Radar Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I believe this is a perfect case of FR. R = radar, you work out what f stands for I have found that occassoinally Australian radars do go a bit (or a lot!) 'haywire!' Another excellent example was Rockhampton radar last year, it had a HUGE thunderstorm (about 50km X 50km of maximum intensity) moving northwards. This of course was not going to be an accurate reflection of what was falling - unless of course there was 100cm/3.3ft hail falling :-) There was also a scattering of other storms that were in the red, and huge areas of red at that! Approximately 90 minutes later, the next image showed very little red. Rather, instead of showing a dozen huge thunderstorms in the red that took up half the radar screen, it showed 4-5 thunderstorms, one with a little red, the rest with nice little areas of pink - or rather, a radar image that was believable! I assume some one finally woke up and thought "hey...this doesn't quite look right!" And fixed the problem, but I have no answer for why radar occassionally goes like that, but it seems to be the regional radars (ie, those not serviced very frequently in smaller towns), that play up the most. Many of the tropical QLD radars 'over estimate' - and while I have my theories, I'm not 100% sure why they do. Perhaps Leslie can fill us in? I was about to type down a few more thoughts, but alas...we have to get ready for our 'great Australia Day BBQ!' Happy Australia Day to all the Australians out there!!! And to any of the international members who also want to celebrate it Andrew Wall wrote: > -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 011 From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:22:21 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have recently been thinking of the massive difference in Australian climate vs USA, all due to one being an island with a ocean between it and the pole. The difference can be highlighted in ways most people realise like the snow in Alabama and Georgia, not new territory there at all, sea level snow although rare has occurred in those states, yet in Australia the same latitudes do not see snow ( some my disagree ) . For example my hometown is roughly on the same latitude as the southern parts of coastal South Carolina, yet I have never seen snow. Now for the ways we do not perhaps think of - recently the Victorian peaks at roughly 36' south where dusted with snow in mid January. Correct me if I wrong but I doubt any mountains up to 7000ft in the USA would ever see a mid July snow dusting. Michael > > Yes, the deep south in AL and GA have had snow, ice, sleet, etc. The > eastern seaboard is being hit hard. Now, I know this reply will take the > list too far from Aussie wx.....but bare with me, I will list only this > message from this morning: > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 012 From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Interesting Alice Radar Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:19:43 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id SAA12036 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Could be true, Anthony. Though, the only time I've ever seen images quite like these, with almost instantaneous transitions from 0 to >100mm/hr reflectivities, have been on Giles and Alice Springs radars. For those who missed the images, I've placed them on links from my Newsbits section at http://ausweather.simplenet.com Laurier On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:06:01 +1000, Anthony Cornelius wrote: >Hi all, > >I believe this is a perfect case of FR. R = radar, you work out what f >stands for I have found that occassoinally Australian radars do go >a bit (or a lot!) 'haywire!' Another excellent example was Rockhampton >radar last year, it had a HUGE thunderstorm (about 50km X 50km of >maximum intensity) moving northwards. This of course was not going to >be an accurate reflection of what was falling - unless of course there >was 100cm/3.3ft hail falling :-) There was also a scattering of other >storms that were in the red, and huge areas of red at that! >Approximately 90 minutes later, the next image showed very little red. >Rather, instead of showing a dozen huge thunderstorms in the red that >took up half the radar screen, it showed 4-5 thunderstorms, one with a >little red, the rest with nice little areas of pink - or rather, a radar >image that was believable! I assume some one finally woke up and >thought "hey...this doesn't quite look right!" And fixed the problem, >but I have no answer for why radar occassionally goes like that, but it >seems to be the regional radars (ie, those not serviced very frequently >in smaller towns), that play up the most. Many of the tropical QLD >radars 'over estimate' - and while I have my theories, I'm not 100% sure >why they do. Perhaps Leslie can fill us in? > >I was about to type down a few more thoughts, but alas...we have to get >ready for our 'great Australia Day BBQ!' > >Happy Australia Day to all the Australians out there!!! And to any of >the international members who also want to celebrate it > >Andrew Wall wrote: >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 013 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:19:17 +0000 From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times in GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aus-wx [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: (OT) Australia Day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com list - Happy Australia Day! Don't burn the chook on the barbie, now! Les (UK) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 014 From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Archives Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:16:44 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id SAA11689 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin An archive like this online would be very useful. But I think users may be put off by having to download the very large files -- the demand is more likely to be for small numbers of images around a particular date and time. Given that zip compression of images doesn't achieve much space saving, would it be possible to simply save each image individually? Linking each one to an html page would be a major chore, but if they were simply in a directory which you linked to, it will list the files on users screens ftp-style, with no need to do any html work at all. So long as the file titles are clear, users could then select what they wanted. I'd suggest a reverse date id system, so, for instance, 2000012603msl.gif could be the surface anal for 03UTC 26/1/00. If you are auto-downloading the files, then the program or script you're using would provide something similar to this. I use FileDog, which appends mm-dd-yy-hh-mm to the beginning (or end, as desired) of files with duplicate names. Nice work. Laurier On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:53:05 EST, "Kevin Phyland" wrote: >Hi every1, > >I've added some enhanced IR, visible and water vapour pix to my archived >stuff... > >I'm sure most is available elsewhere but I have a pack-rat mentality > >Not every day is represented and if it is it's because something caught my >eye...I apologise for the unwieldy download process but I'm trying to cover >both Apple and other platforms... > >Two questions: >[1] Am I re-inventing the wheel? (i.e. are the things I'm archiving >available at some site I'm unaware of?)...and >[2] Are they easily downloadable, useful and/or of an appropriate >size/format? > >http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/manchester/4/ SECTION F > >And if anyone can advise me of an easier way to post them please tell me! > > >Cheers, >Kevin from Wycheproof. >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 015 From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Alice Springs radar Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:24:51 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A bit too far east for the iron, but all theories are welcomed as I am clueless. Michael > "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote: > > > Keep in mind that actual dust particulates > > Isn't that area chock full of iron oxide (red dust) ..... perhaps thats what > the radar is seeing.... Anyone know anything about the radar reflectivity of > iron oxide? > > My 1/100 $AU's worth! > > Les (UK) > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Les Crossan > Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W > UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast > Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS > http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK > Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK > http://www.torro.org.uk/ > Email: les.NOSPAMcrossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM) > ICQ: 17296776 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 016 From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Sunshine..Woohooo !!! Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:08:48 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Model / Forecast conditions were favouring a massive cloud event today with light rain. But at present we are in glorious sunshine, why am I happy. The thunderstorm chance has just taken a big leap that's why. If cloud can hold off to at least noon we are in with a chance. The best trough lifting however is still back over central NSW, so we need the heat. The jet stream over southern NSW is quite strong at 200mb as well, approaching 100knots. Not so excited about the shear, most of the shear is in the first 300mb from the surface, after that it is pretty much westerly. If I can convince my wife for a drive I think from Goulburn westwards will be the best bet. Michael Thompson http://thunder.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 017 X-Sender: mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:06:41 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Miguel de Salas [mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:22 AM 26-01-2000 +1100, you wrote: >I have recently been thinking of the massive difference in Australian >climate vs USA, all due to one being an island with a ocean between it and >the pole. The difference can be highlighted in ways most people realise like >the snow in Alabama and Georgia, not new territory there at all, sea level >snow although rare has occurred in those states, yet in Australia the same >latitudes do not see snow ( some my disagree ) . For example my hometown is >roughly on the same latitude as the southern parts of coastal South >Carolina, yet I have never seen snow. > >Now for the ways we do not perhaps think of - recently the Victorian peaks >at roughly 36' south where dusted with snow in mid January. Correct me if I >wrong but I doubt any mountains up to 7000ft in the USA would ever see a mid >July snow dusting. > >Michael > At latitude 41 N, where I come from, (Spain) it may snow on the mountains at latest in may and at the earliest in september, but never in June, july or august. You can count on there never being a frost between mid may and late september in Madrid, which is between 600 and 700m above sea level. However, at lat. 41 in Tassie, it can snow above 600m any time of the year. Madrid, at that altitude, gets average maxima close to or over 30 for at least the three summer months, and many days over 40. Cheers Miguel de Salas School of Plant Science, University of Tasmania, PO Box 252-55, Sandy Bay, Hobart Tasmania, Australia, 7001. mailto://mm_de at postoffice.utas.edu.au My Moths Page: http://members.xoom.com/migueldes/moths/moths.html +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 018 X-Sender: disarm at mail.braenet.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:20:52 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunshine..Woohooo !!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Tomorrow AVN is also looking good for storms, mainly sydney and north into the lower hunter, but also out west, around the mudgee area, Humidity is way high, (up to 80-90%) which might be a little too much, LI is around -4 and CAPE around 2000 in area's. Upper level winds are nice at 90kts or so, but weaken considerably in the lower levels. If there are clear skies tomorrow ill be cheering, i have the day off :D NGP is indicating a rain event tomorrow, and MRF is going for some ok falls, possibly storms.. Today ? well if the cloud clears we are in with a chance, good luck to anyone that is chasing i have to work today.. *sigh*, good to see its cleared in the gong though! Cya's! Matt Smith Matt Smith >Model / Forecast conditions were favouring a massive cloud event today with >light rain. But at present we are in glorious sunshine, why am I happy. The >thunderstorm chance has just taken a big leap that's why. If cloud can hold >off to at least noon we are in with a chance. The best trough lifting >however is still back over central NSW, so we need the heat. > >The jet stream over southern NSW is quite strong at 200mb as well, >approaching 100knots. Not so excited about the shear, most of the shear is >in the first 300mb from the surface, after that it is pretty much westerly. > >If I can convince my wife for a drive I think from Goulburn westwards will >be the best bet. > > >Michael Thompson >http://thunder.simplenet.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 019 From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunshine..Woohooo !!! Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:31:07 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Michael, At 12.30pm it is overcast in Canberra - has been since about 9.00am. Radar showing a band of rain approaching from the west - another rain (not storm) event developing for this region. For storms, it may be best to stay further east or north where there is still some sun. Patrick PS The BoM in their notes indicated that Canberra had a frost two days ago - our first for the year ie 24 JANUARY at 570 metres altitude and 35 degrees south. The climate average suggests that we can expect 4.5 days over 35 and 29.2 days above 30 in a normal summer. This summer is way below normal so far. At the other end of the spectrum, we can expect 98.2 days with minima below 2 and 61.4 days with minima below 0. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Thompson [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] To: aussie-weather at world.std.com [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2000 11:33 Subject: aus-wx: Sunshine..Woohooo !!! >Model / Forecast conditions were favouring a massive cloud event today with >light rain. But at present we are in glorious sunshine, why am I happy. The >thunderstorm chance has just taken a big leap that's why. If cloud can hold >off to at least noon we are in with a chance. The best trough lifting >however is still back over central NSW, so we need the heat. > >The jet stream over southern NSW is quite strong at 200mb as well, >approaching 100knots. Not so excited about the shear, most of the shear is >in the first 300mb from the surface, after that it is pretty much westerly. > >If I can convince my wife for a drive I think from Goulburn westwards will >be the best bet. > > >Michael Thompson >http://thunder.simplenet.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 020 X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:07:58 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham [bayns at broad.net.au] Subject: aus-wx: lifted index Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey all, looking good for eastern australia over the next few days:) this is avn's 18z run http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/lftx.gif cyas +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 021 From: "Paul Mossman" [paulmoss at tpgi.com.au] To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:37:54 +0930 Subject: aus-wx: Radar X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com With all this talk about radar, I found out some interesting info the other day. Darwin (Berrimah) radar is currently out due to a lightning strike the other day - they are currently waiting on parts. However the Darwin BOM are using in the meantime a radar at the airport - which surprised me somewhat considering Berrimah and the airport are only 5kms or less as the crow flies. That and the fact that they also have a doppler based here in Darwin - also only about 5km as the crow flies!!! All in an area of 50kmsq! Pity they dont make the doppler images available on the net. Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 022 From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunshine..Woohooo !!! To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:53:45 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Michael, > > At 12.30pm it is overcast in Canberra - has been since about 9.00am. > Radar showing a band of rain approaching from the west - another rain (not > storm) event developing for this region. Looks like the January record low rainfall will stay intact (up until 9 this morning Canberra had only had 0.4mm for the month, compared with the existing record of 1.1). > For storms, it may be best to stay further east or north where there is > still some sun. > > Patrick > > PS The BoM in their notes indicated that Canberra had a frost two days ago - > our first for the year ie 24 JANUARY at 570 metres altitude and 35 degrees > south. The minima were 4.4 on Sunday, 4.0 on Monday. The terrestrial minimum on Monday was -1 (hence the frost report). The terrestrial minimum is a January record but the screen one is not (1.8 on 1/1/1956). I had a bit of a discussion about this with Clem Davis (OIC of the Canberra Met Office) on Monday - I got the impression that he was quite keen to announce it to the world as Canberra's first January frost, but changes in definitions over the years mean we can't really say this with confidence. (At one time the Bureau defined a frost as a screen minimum below 36 F/2.2 C; now it's either the presence of white deposits on the ground or a terrestrial min below -0.9). > The climate average suggests that we can expect 4.5 days over 35 and 29.2 > days above 30 in a normal summer. This summer is way below normal so far. You can say that again - so far, 0-1 days above 35 and 5-7 above 30 (I only have rounded figures, which include 1 35 and 2 30s, hence the uncertainty). There have been several summers in which it has failed to reach 35 (most recently 1995-96). IIRC the lowest number of days over 30 is 6, but I'll check this. Melbourne has also had a shortage of really hot days (nothing yet over the old 100 F/37.8 C), but has had two long spells of 30+ days, as has Adelaide - classic La Nina conditions. Blair Trewin +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 023 From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:10:00 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > At 10:22 AM 26-01-2000 +1100, you wrote: > >I have recently been thinking of the massive difference in Australian > >climate vs USA, all due to one being an island with a ocean between it and > >the pole. The difference can be highlighted in ways most people realise like > >the snow in Alabama and Georgia, not new territory there at all, sea level > >snow although rare has occurred in those states, yet in Australia the same > >latitudes do not see snow ( some my disagree ) . For example my hometown is > >roughly on the same latitude as the southern parts of coastal South > >Carolina, yet I have never seen snow. > > > >Now for the ways we do not perhaps think of - recently the Victorian peaks > >at roughly 36' south where dusted with snow in mid January. Correct me if I > >wrong but I doubt any mountains up to 7000ft in the USA would ever see a mid > >July snow dusting. > > > >Michael > > > > At latitude 41 N, where I come from, (Spain) it may snow on the mountains > at latest in may and at the earliest in september, but never in June, july > or august. You can count on there never being a frost between mid may and > late september in Madrid, which is between 600 and 700m above sea level. > > However, at lat. 41 in Tassie, it can snow above 600m any time of the year. > Madrid, at that altitude, gets average maxima close to or over 30 for at > least the three summer months, and many days over 40. > > Cheers > > Miguel de Salas The critical factor at play here is the configuration of the continents. Australia has ocean on its poleward side; the United States has a continental land mass, with few physical barriers to north-south air movement. Any region with a continental interior on its poleward side is going to be susceptible to low temperatures (and, as a result, snow/ice). This is as true of eastern Asia as it is of the United States - although the greater persistency of offshore flow means that in east Asia it manifests itself more in the form of very low temperatures than heavy snow. Shanghai and Beijing, at 31 and 40 N, have January means of +3 and -4 C respectively. (Incidentally, Beijing is currently going through a very cold January - the temperature has not risen above freezing there since 2 January). Even Hong Kong, in the tropics, has recorded 0, although I'm not sure if they have ever seen snow (maybe on the higher hills?) - if the cold outbreak they had there in December was anything to go by, such incursions are marked by very dry air (on one day they were reporting temperatures of around 6-8 for most of the day with dewpoints around -5). Even in Argentina, there can be a bit of a continental effect - Buenos Aires, with a similar latitude (and similar July mean temperature) to Sydney, sees snow occasionally. This doesn't happen in Australia - the vast area of ocean to the south means there is no source region for such cold air. However, this ocean also provides a source region for relatively cold air in summer, far more so than at comparable latitudes in Europe or North America (sea temperatures along the southern coast rarely exceed 20 C, and you don't have to go too far south at any time of year to reach the low teens - compare with the Mediterranean or the oceans off the eastern US, which are in the mid 20s). As a result somewhere like Hobart occasionally sees maxima below 15 in summer - in Europe, you'd need to go to the most exposed parts of the Scottish or Norwegian coast north of 55 N to see this. 1500m seems to be about the lower limit of July/August snowfalls in the European Alps (which is not too far out of line with mainland Australia). I expect Mt. Washington (~1900m) can get snow in any month in the north-eastern US, but certainly none of the more southern Appalachian peaks do in mid-summer. Western North America (which is within range of the relatively cold eastern Pacific) can get more interesting; Calgary (51 N, 1100m) has had major (10cm+) snowfalls in July and August in the 1990s. (The July one was last year - at the time Calgary had a better snow cover than any Australian ski resort did!). Denver is also famous for late- and early-season snowfalls (I was there to see one on 12 September 1993, the day after a max of 34 C), but even there July and August are snow-free. Blair Trewin +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 024 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:03:01 +1000 From: Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: (OT) Australia Day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What's with the chook Les.......Prawns and fresh Coral Trout on the Barbie are the order of the day in Cairns ....lol...yum!!! Happy Australia Day to all.....and 'send her down Huey!!' Desley in Cairns Les Crossan wrote: > list - > > Happy Australia Day! > > Don't burn the chook on the barbie, now! > > Les (UK) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 025 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:56:48 +0000 From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times in GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Miguel de Salas wrote: > At 10:22 AM 26-01-2000 +1100, you wrote: > At latitude 41 N, where I come from, (Spain) it may snow on the mountains > at latest in may and at the earliest in september, At 55N in the UK (roughly the same latitude as New York / Moscow) average temperatures in wintertime are above freezing whilst New York gets snowed under and Moscow freezes over.... this is due to warm(ish) moist Atlantic air advection. Parts of the north eastern UK (Aberdeen, Fraserburgh) can reach 16C / 61F in the middle of winter due to the Fohn effect off the Scottish Highlannds. It has snowed in June in the UK.... temperatures of 25C / 85F and above in summer are regarded as a heatwave (: Some of the smallest islands to the N. of Britain struggle to reach 15C in summer but seldom go below freezing in wintertime essentially due to the incessant gale force winds there. However if the wind shifts to an easterly direction, Britain freezes over as the North Sea isn't big enough to affect the temperature of an E -> W moving airmass. How the models got it so wrong in the US beats me! Les (UK) ------------------------------------------------------ Les Crossan Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK http://www.torro.org.uk/ Email: les.NOSPAMcrossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM) ICQ: 17296776 ------------------------------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 026 From: "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] To: [aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Re: aussie-weather-digest V1 #460 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:03:00 +1300 Organization: Private X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > All interesting stuff Blair, love all this record stuff. Maybe its from > > my running days (records/statistics etc), I dunno. Any more thoughts on > > the ECMWF cold outbreak predictions? How cold do you think it might get > > and how far reaching > > (Cent. Tablelands?) might such an outbreak be, if ECMWF is right? > > > The most recent ECMWF run has fallen into line with other models, > suggesting that the major northward thrust of cold air will take place > over the Tasman. > > Blair Trewin Should such an outbreak occur in late January, what are the possibilities?. (I haven't seen the latest model prognoses - they might not be forecasting an outbreak anymore) BTW a near record (70mm in 2 hours!) downpour caused surface flooding in Greymouth on the West Coast on Tuesday morning. Some spectacular waterspouts were also observed that morning just out to sea. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 027 X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:41:24 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham [bayns at broad.net.au] Subject: aus-wx: cape Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/cape.gif +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 028 From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: No record dry January for Canberra Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:33:01 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Looks like the January record low rainfall will stay intact (up until >9 this morning Canberra had only had 0.4mm for the month, compared >with the existing record of 1.1). > >Blair Trewin 2mm in the 3pm report so no new record (not one that I was that keen on seeing anyway!!). I have received 4.5mm at Higgins since the rain started around lunch time(which adds to 4mm previously recorded so far this month). Still gives a low total for January at the moment but this could change overnight/tomorrow depending on what the low does. At 5.30pm overcast with continuing light rain and dry bulb of 17.5 and dew point just a bit less. Patrick +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 029 From: "John Woodbridge" [jrw at pixelcom.net] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: RE: aus-wx: USA Winter? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:19:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ahm, small correction: 25C = 77F. >snip. It has snowed in June in the UK.... temperatures of 25C / 85F and above in summer are regarded as a heatwave (: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 030 From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: NZ outlook Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:39:06 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Should such an outbreak occur in late January, what are the possibilities?. >(I haven't seen the latest model prognoses - they might not be forecasting >an outbreak anymore) Ben, For what it is worth NGP now takes the cold air well south of NZ. It also suggests that the low/trough now over SE Australia will track across the Tasman and give some moderate falls of rain across the north of the Sth Island (nth of Christchurch) Saturday night through Sunday. Nothing particularly unusual to happen with temperatures. Patrick +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 031 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:57:14 +1000 From: Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: lifted index Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Being really new to the List and, taking a risk at sounding really dumb, can you explain what the map showed, and what it means... I really am interested in learning all I can about the weather in general, and must admit to feeling a little intimidated when reading all of the 'el techo' mail - but it is great and of much interest - just a lot is difficult to understand when you are incredibly un-educated on the subject. I figure the more I read and the more 'dumb' questions I ask the more I will understand...so patience please. Ta, Desley in Cairns steve baynham wrote: > hey all, > looking good for eastern australia over the next few days:) > this is avn's 18z run > > http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/lftx.gif > > cyas > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 032 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:06:59 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: aus-wx: more pics if you wish!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy here, For the usual time - free people on the list here are the latest pics. Most are of the hailstorm I chased up near Inverell. http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/index.html 2 pages worth some interesting photographs towards the end ie on the second page Please e-mail me if you have problems Jimmy Deguara +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 033 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:54:14 +1000 From: Dean S [deansgar at alphalink.com.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Rainfall Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Interesting day in Melbourne: rain, rain and more rain (as usual). I am unaware of the rainfall totals since I have not had the time to check up on them. However, I have observed some Cb's and the visual observation of lightning and the audio sounds of thunder compliment such an existance. The thunder alone sparkled up my day before school so I am pretty happy and set for school. Good day all. Dean AL Sgarbossa +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 034 From: "Patrick Tobin" [patricktobin at ozemail.com.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: lifted index Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:52:41 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Desley, Welcome to the list - please ask questions - I am sure people are more than willing to help. Lifted index (LI) is a useful tool for indicating the likelihood or not thunderstorms occuring in an area at a particular time. For storms a negative number is good (the higher the negative number the better) and a positive number is bad. Lifted index (someone will no doubt correct me if I get this wrong) is simply worked out by taking a parcel of air at the surface and "lifting" it up to the 500mb level (somewhere around approx 6,000m or 18,000 feet) as would happen in a thunderstorm for instance - and then comparing the temperature of the lifted parcel to that of the environmental air that is already at that level. (ie LI = Enviromental air temp - lifted parcel air temp). If the Lifted index (LI) is a positive number, then it means that the lifted air has become colder than the surrounding air. Colder air is denser than warmer air (the really technical people will say I am being loose with language here but I am trying to keep it simple) so the parcel will fall - not rise - and so thunderstorms are unlikely to occur. If the LI is negative, that means the parcel of air from the surface is warmer than the surrounding air and the parcel will continue to rise and possibly result in a thunderstorm. When you get LI's of around -5 or more, that is a situation that is likely to result in more rapid updrafts and more likely to become severe storms. Forecasts of LI's anywhere near -10 are unusual in Australia and if anywhere near a big city would send this list into a frenzy of excitement. If only the above was that simple. Weather of course is more complicated than our simple rules and the LI is only a crude tool. It does not provide any information on other important factors like how much moisture is in the air - quite important for thunderstorm development. Also air can sometimes rise even if it is colder than the surrounding air - this may occur if the air is being forced aloft to pass over a mountain range, or is being lifted by a convergence zone or line in a low pressure system. It may also rise if it was previously rising rapidly up through the atmosphere and then suddenly encounters a warm layer. If the warm layer is not too thick, the parcel may have enough momentum to rise through it. Sometimes you can get a strong negative LI figures (which should produce storms) and nothing happens. This may occur if there is a warm layer above the surface that stops a parcel from the surface from rising through it. This is called a "cap" and is fairly common. A weak to moderate cap can be good for storms as it allows maximum surface heating and energy to build up in the air close to the surface. If the cap is then broken and surface parcels pass through it, there can be spectacular storms from the accumulated energy that is suddenly released. A number of members of this list have some excellent web sites which will allow you to find out a lot of information about weather, technical terms etc. A very good article on the lifted index is at: http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/weathereducation/liftedindex/liftedindex.htm (BTW Ben and Anthony the links to a couple of the illustrations on this page seem to have disappeared) which is part of the Brisbane Storm chasers page at http://www.bsch.simplenet.com A couple of other great sites are: Laurier Williams Australian Weather Links and News at http://ausweather.simplenet.com/ the severe weather site at: http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/ not to be confused with the Australian Severe Weather Association site at: http://www.severeweather.asn.au There are many other great sites as well which can be followed as the Australian Weather Pages Web Ring from the above site. Explore and enjoy, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Desley Absolon [mystyle at bigpond.com.au] To: aussie-weather at world.std.com [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2000 17:56 Subject: Re: aus-wx: lifted index >Hi, >Being really new to the List and, taking a risk at sounding really dumb, can >you explain what the map showed, and what it means... I really am interested >in learning all I can about the weather in general, and must admit to feeling >a little intimidated when reading all of the 'el techo' mail - but it is great >and of much interest - just a lot is difficult to understand when you are >incredibly un-educated on the subject. I figure the more I read and the more >'dumb' questions I ask the more I will understand...so patience please. >Ta, > >Desley in Cairns > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 035 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:03:30 +1100 From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: lifted index Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Desley, I don't keep the aussie-weather emails for long, so i'm not sure if you are the same person that posted to the list a couple of days ago about the Lifted Index.. but here goes anyway.. Anthony Cornelius and Myself have written a page about the Lifted Index, explaining what it's all about, how it is calculated, and how to plot a Lifted Index forecast using the AVN raw data site.. http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/weathereducation/liftedindex/liftedindex.htm I'll try to give you a simple explanation of what the Lifted Index is all about now though.. The Lifted Index is basically an Instability Variable - we use it to forecast Thunderstorms.. basically all you want is a negative value - the lower the negative value the better the chance of thunderstorms is.. That is a reaaaaaaaaly reeeeallly simple explanation, and people are going to be able to pick holes in that - but that is how i think most people think of the Lifted Index - nice and simple.. on the page i have linked to above you will find a much more in depth explanation.. You can get thunderstorms with Lifted Index values between 0 and about +2 (or sometimes +3) if there is strong lifting (ie. a trough moving through the area).. but generally you want a negative figure.. I have pasted a general guide to the figures below: 0 to +2 Showers are possible 0 to �3 Thunderstorms are possible -3 to �6 Severe thunderstorms are possible -6 to �9 Severe thunderstorms are a probable outcome -9 and below The atmosphere is extremely unstable, and severe thunderstorms are again, a probable outcome. I hope i have helped.. Desley Absolon wrote: > > Hi, > Being really new to the List and, taking a risk at sounding really dumb, can > you explain what the map showed, and what it means... I really am interested > in learning all I can about the weather in general, and must admit to feeling > a little intimidated when reading all of the 'el techo' mail - but it is great > and of much interest - just a lot is difficult to understand when you are > incredibly un-educated on the subject. I figure the more I read and the more > 'dumb' questions I ask the more I will understand...so patience please. > Ta, > > Desley in Cairns > > steve baynham wrote: > > > hey all, > > looking good for eastern australia over the next few days:) > > this is avn's 18z run > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/gany/lftx.gif > > > > cyas > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 036 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:14:25 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: lifted index Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Desley - welcome to the aussie-weather list!!! Desley Absolon wrote: First of all - no question is dumb!! We're all here to learn, and you don't learn if you don't ask questions! The Lifted Index (or LI for short), is a thunderstorm forecasting index. Essentially, the following approximate 'magic numbers' apply to this index: +2 and above = No showers/storms 0 to + 2 = Showers possible, possibly thunderstorms in winter 0 to -3 = Thunderstorms probable -2 to -4 = Severe thunderstorms possible -4 to -6 = Severe thunderstorms probable -6 to -9 = Very unstable, all of the above -9 and below = Extremely unstable, all of the above again. HOWEVER - here comes my gripe about the LI's The LI's simply lift a parcel of air dry adiabatically to the LCL (lifted condensation level), and then lift a parcel of air at the SALR (saturated adiabatic lapse rate) - I apologise if this is about to get a little to technical for you, but you might find it interesting (I do!) You then continue rising a parcel of air at the SALR until you reach the 500mb level. The LI's are calculated, by subtracting the theoretical air parcel plot temperature at 500mb from the environmental (or actual) temperature at 500mb. Say the actual temperature at 500mb is -20C, and your air parcel temperature from the surface has risen, and cooled to -15C at 500mb, then: -20C - -15C = -5C Or rather, the air parcel temperature is 5C warmer then its surroundings. Warmer air is postively bouyant in the atmosphere and will continue to rise, hence why negative LI's generally are associated with thunderstorms, as it requires positively bouyant (or unstable) air to rise further in the atmosphere. The problem is, is that 500mb in my opinion is fairly arbitrary, not to mention it's only one level in the atmosphere. What if there's a sharp little cold intrusion of air at 500mb? Then the LI's are not representative of the entire atmosphere. As the 500mb will be unstable, but other areas may not. The other thing that can be misleading, is the way the scale says "severe thunderstorms probable" etc - I believe that this is fairly misleading. It should read something like "There is sufficient instability for severe thunderstorms to be probable given a favourable vertical shear profile, and that storms can break the surface cap." The "cap" is simply a 'lid' on convection, where air cannot rise into the atmosphere just above the surface. Cap's nearly always occur, and are actually needed to an extent for severe thunderstorm development. If the cap is too weak, convection will commence too early, and therefore all your surface energy will be wasted. If the cap is too strong, convection will not occur, and even if you have -10 LI's above you, thunderstorms will not occur! If the cap is 'just right' then it should break around 2-3pm, so that it has all the day's surface energy stored up for a thunderstorm to use readily, while not breaking too late to allow the energy to escape into the atmosphere as the day cools. This brings about possibly one of the misleading things about LI's - and that is the cap. I tend to associated high instability (ie very low LI's) with high caps. This appears to be the 'norm' rather than the cap allowing convection to break through using the potential instability. You can have the lowest LI's you like, and you won't get thunderstorms! So that is one thing that you should also remember. Other things you have to remember, is that air can be enhanced/surpressed by a plethora of variables in the atmosphere. An upper level ridge/high means air above you is sinking, therefore you have subsidence just above you. An upper level trough/low above you means air is rising so you have some vertical motion that will compliment any instability from surface heating that occurs. The same occurs with surface lows/highs - at a surface low, air is rising at the surface, at a surface high, air is sinking at the surface. Not to mention areas of convergence/confluence tend to favour troughs/lows - and areas of divergence/difluence tend to favour ridges/highs - you want convergence/confluence at the surface, and divergence/difluence aloft. So what happens when you get a trough & an upper level ridge above you and LI's are off the scale (-12 per example?) From my experience here in SE QLD - nothing, or very little. This is now an analagous situation to what occurs with the eastern Australia "Cloncurry Low" and the western Australia "Pilbara Low" - there are two dominating areas of low pressure over the Australian mainland during summer. You would think that thunderstorms would form on these lows, but this is not always the case. The reason being is that while air is rising near the surface, there are often upper level highs associated above them, normally commencing at around the 700mb level. So you have rising vertical motion at the surface to 700mb, and subsidence from 700mb and up. I know that I have gone off a tanget, but while I'm far from an expert, I believe that people should becareful when using LI's and especially CAPE. I have frequently found Australian CAPE forecasts and even the analysis very unaccurate. Often either over or under estimating the potential energy. I believe this has something to do with the limited surface data from which it has to rely on in terms of surface moisture, as this seems to be the variable that models do not handle very well near the surface in Australia! I hope this has helped you/anyone else somewhat, if you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask - as I said before, we're all here to learn, and you won't learn if you don't ask questions!!! -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 037 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:34:18 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: More lifted index (was) Re: aus-wx: lifted index Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all again, Ben Quinn wrote: > > You can get thunderstorms with Lifted Index values between 0 and about > +2 (or sometimes +3) if there is strong lifting (ie. a trough moving > through the area).. but generally you want a negative figure.. During cold outbreaks (now this won't apply to you in Cairns [tropical region for all non-aussies out there!] but I thought I'd mention this for general interest sake!) Sometimes thunderstorms/showers don't reach the 500mb level! Now this poses a real problem to convection forecasting, if the level you're forecasting at may not even come into the picture! I believe it was theorised that you needed a convective cloud to reach at least -20C for a thunderstorm to develop. During cold outbreaks in the southern AU states, 500mb temperatures below -20C (ie -25C/-28C) are not all that uncommon to be reached at 500mb. A person named Biltoft saw the flaw in the lifted index and attempted to devise another index using the information of thunderstorms being able to develop when the convective cloud reaches -20C. Poor old Biltoft though really buggled up his attempt, and devised an even worse index that really overforecasted warm-season convection! It was very simple though: -20 - the parcel temperature at -20C However he said "0 and below - severe thunderstorms probable" - this does not work very well! I have often tried to calculate the Biltoft Index to see if it worked, and it was always horribly off the mark! Mind you, Biltoft did bring up a *very* valid point, and I believe all he had to do was fiddle around with it a little more, and perhaps add a scaling factor to the index and it may have became a fairly useful index. I'm not suggesting forecasting indicies are at all easy to devise...there was a conversation a little while ago that talked about it, and some one suggested a "Cornelius Index" I have actually previously attempted to devise an index...but really sometimes I believe that all indicies do, is make it easy in a 2D sense to look where areas may be good for thunderstorm/severe thunderstorm development on the map. In reality, you really must look at a wide spectrum and combination of factors to get an idea of potential for certain aspects of weather. I'm yet to find an index that can be relied on very well, each different index has their flaws which can become very misleading! -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 038 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:43:06 +1100 From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, WX-CHASE at POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU, WX-TALK at POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU Subject: aus-wx: BSCH Picture Update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Everyone, 56 pictures added to the BSCH Weather Photography section.. http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/picturegallerynew.htm Some of these images have been moved from the Recent Events section to the Weather Photography section, but there are also new pictures in there.. I will also be adding close to 100 pictures in the next week courtesy of Paul Mircki, from his trip overseas to France and Nepal - these images will be in a 'general photography' section in his members gallery.. you wait until you see some of these pictures! Absolutely STUNNING scenery! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 039 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:17:00 +0000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Norman Lynagh [lynagh at dial.pipex.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter? X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com In message <388E4650.5EDDBB9 at virgin.net>, Les Crossan writes > > >Miguel de Salas wrote: > >> At 10:22 AM 26-01-2000 +1100, you wrote: > >> At latitude 41 N, where I come from, (Spain) it may snow on the mountains >> at latest in may and at the earliest in september, > >At 55N in the UK (roughly the same latitude as New York / Moscow) average >temperatures in wintertime are above freezing whilst New York gets snowed under >and Moscow freezes over.... this is due to warm(ish) moist Atlantic air >advection. Parts of the north eastern UK (Aberdeen, Fraserburgh) can reach 16C / >61F in the middle of winter due to the Fohn effect off the Scottish Highlannds. > New York is at about 41N, the same as Madrid. Norman. =================================================================== Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Tel: +44 (0)1494 870220 18 Kings Road Fax: +44 (0)1494 870221 Chalfont St. Giles E-Mail: lynagh at dial.pipex.com Buckinghamshire England =================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 040 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:28:46 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Question on dust storms! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Since we don't get enough e-mails on the list, I thought I would post this one through. Jimmy Deguara >Delivered-To: jdeguara at j.pop.ihug.com.au >From: JLCortezC at aol.com >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:13:23 EST >Subject: Question on dust storms! >To: jdeguara at ihug.com.au >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 > >Hi! >A buddy of mine alarmed me today about some huge dust storms that occur in >Australia that sometimes cover all of Sydney (that's where I'm going). Is >that right?? When do these occur during the year and should I change my >travel plans or are they that rare and unpredictable that it would not matter >what time of the year I go? I've been watching the Travel Channel a lot and >not once have they mentioned them so I don't know who to believe (specially >because usually the Travel Channel never shows anything truly dangerous or >inconvenient to travelers, you know what I mean?). >I would really appreciate your input and trust me, there's no hurry on that >since I was not thinking on going until about October or so of this year. >Thanks and have a great one! >In Austin, Texas, sincerely, >Juan Luis Cortez +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 041 X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:25:38 +1030 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall [astroman at chariot.net.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fwd: Question on dust storms! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's a good question Jimmy, and I am sure some people would have a good idea of these events, I would like to know aswell. Not that I am planning to goto NSW in a hurry but it's always handy to know. At 08:28 PM 26/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >Since we don't get enough e-mails on the list, I thought I would post this >one through. > >Jimmy Deguara > > > >>Delivered-To: jdeguara at j.pop.ihug.com.au >>From: JLCortezC at aol.com >>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:13:23 EST >>Subject: Question on dust storms! >>To: jdeguara at ihug.com.au >>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 >> >>Hi! >>A buddy of mine alarmed me today about some huge dust storms that occur in >>Australia that sometimes cover all of Sydney (that's where I'm going). Is >>that right?? When do these occur during the year and should I change my >>travel plans or are they that rare and unpredictable that it would not matter >>what time of the year I go? I've been watching the Travel Channel a lot and >>not once have they mentioned them so I don't know who to believe (specially >>because usually the Travel Channel never shows anything truly dangerous or >>inconvenient to travelers, you know what I mean?). >>I would really appreciate your input and trust me, there's no hurry on that >>since I was not thinking on going until about October or so of this year. >>Thanks and have a great one! >>In Austin, Texas, sincerely, >>Juan Luis Cortez > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Andrew Wall South Australia. State representative for S.A. and N.T. Division of the Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. Webmaster of The official South Australian Severe Weather watch homepage. South Australian Severe Weather page - http://sastorms.virtualave.net ASWA Inc. - http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 042 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:56:43 +0000 From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times in GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA Winter? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John Woodbridge wrote: > Ahm, small correction: 25C = 77F. Oops, I'll make sure brain is engaged before typing fingers next time, comes with surfing the net at 0100z. (: Les +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 043 X-Originating-IP: [203.27.197.3] From: "Rod Aikman" [raikman at hotmail.com] To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Bendigo rainfall Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:51:48 EST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After being teased by this low pressure system over the past two days, it finally started raining just before 5.00pm this afternoon. Up until 9.45 this evening I have recorded 36 mm, with 25mm falling in just over half-an-hour, with just a few claps of thunder, between 5.30pm and just after 6. Rod Aikman, Bendigo Vic. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 044 From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Australia Day Out report Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:22:50 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We've put together a report of what happened in Victoria today that got the attention of some of the members of Melbourne Storm Chasers........ http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/26_1_00.htm Jane ------------------------------------------------------- Jane ONeill ASWA - Victoria Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA Inc.) Melbourne Storm Chasers Email: cadence at rubix.net.au ------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 045 From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] To: "Aussie Weather" [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: aus-wx: New chaser in the family Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:54:26 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Everybody, Just a quick note to let you know that a new chaser has arrived in the Graham family........Kynan Charles born 26/1 at 13:29 at Lismore Base Hospital......3610 g or 7lb 15oz(!) Sue's doing well, Bub's in a humidicrib at the moment as he might have an infection or fluid still in one lung....but is doing very well..... Dad might be able to get a few good night sleeps before the fun starts................ See Ya's John from Ballina _________________________________________________________ John Graham Email: gorzzz at optusnet.com.au or gorzzz at yahoo.com Member of the Australian Severe Weather Assoc. (ASWA) ASWA Homepage http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ICQ# 25440353 Snail Mail : P.O.Box 1072 Ballina 2478 N.S.W Australia +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 046 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:19:07 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser in the family Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Congratulations to you John, wife Sue and the bub. Excellent news. Jimmy Deguara At 22:54 26/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >Just a quick note to let you know that a new chaser has arrived in the >Graham family........Kynan Charles born 26/1 at 13:29 at Lismore Base >Hospital......3610 g or 7lb 15oz(!) >Sue's doing well, Bub's in a humidicrib at the moment as he might have an >infection or fluid still in one lung....but is doing very well..... >Dad might be able to get a few good night sleeps before the fun >starts................ > >See Ya's >John from Ballina >_________________________________________________________ >John Graham >Email: gorzzz at optusnet.com.au or gorzzz at yahoo.com >Member of the Australian Severe Weather Assoc. (ASWA) >ASWA Homepage http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ >ICQ# 25440353 >Snail Mail : P.O.Box 1072 >Ballina 2478 N.S.W >Australia > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 047 From: "Max King" [mnk at Dingoblue.net.au] To: [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chaser in the family Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:19:03 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Congratulations John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll send some matchsticks for your eyes though :)) Max ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] To: Aussie Weather [aussie-weather at world.std.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: aus-wx: New chaser in the family > Hi Everybody, > > Just a quick note to let you know that a new chaser has arrived in the > Graham family........Kynan Charles born 26/1 at 13:29 at Lismore Base > Hospital......3610 g or 7lb 15oz(!) > Sue's doing well, Bub's in a humidicrib at the moment as he might have an > infection or fluid still in one lung....but is doing very well..... > Dad might be able to get a few good night sleeps before the fun > starts................ > > See Ya's > John from Ballina > _________________________________________________________ > John Graham > Email: gorzzz at optusnet.com.au or gorzzz at yahoo.com > Member of the Australian Severe Weather Assoc. (ASWA) > ASWA Homepage http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > ICQ# 25440353 > Snail Mail : P.O.Box 1072 > Ballina 2478 N.S.W > Australia > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ 048 X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:23:06 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara [jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fwd: Question on dust storms! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think most people in Australia know that dust storms covering Sydney is a rare event. The mate of the person had painted such an incorrect picture that he was thinking whether he should change plans. That is what I meant by my message. This is yet another example of misinterpretation of e-mails. Oh well Jimmy Deguara At 20:25 26/01/00 +1030, you wrote: >It's a good question Jimmy, and I am sure some people would have a good >idea of these events, I would like to know aswell. Not that I am planning >to goto NSW in a hurry but it's always handy to know. > > > > >At 08:28 PM 26/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >>Since we don't get enough e-mails on the list, I thought I would post >>this one through. >> >>Jimmy Deguara >> >> >> >>>Delivered-To: jdeguara at j.pop.ihug.com.au >>>From: JLCortezC at aol.com >>>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:13:23 EST >>>Subject: Question on dust storms! >>>To: jdeguara at ihug.com.au >>>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 >>> >>>Hi! >>>A buddy of mine alarmed me today about some huge dust storms that occur in >>>Australia that sometimes cover all of Sydney (that's where I'm going). Is >>>that right?? When do these occur during the year and should I change my >>>travel plans or are they that rare and unpredictable that it would not >>>matter >>>what time of the year I go? I've been watching the Travel Channel a lot and >>>not once have they mentioned them so I don't know who to believe (specially >>>because usually the Travel Channel never shows anything truly dangerous or >>>inconvenient to travelers, you know what I mean?). >>>I would really appreciate your input and trust me, there's no hurry on that >>>since I was not thinking on going until about October or so of this year. >>>Thanks and have a great one! >>>In Austin, Texas, sincerely, >>>Juan Luis Cortez >> >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >>message. >>-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >Andrew Wall > >South Australia. > >State representative for S.A. and N.T. Division of the Australian Severe >Weather Association Inc. >Webmaster of The official South Australian Severe Weather watch homepage. >South Australian Severe Weather page - http://sastorms.virtualave.net >ASWA Inc. - http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------


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