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At 23:33 14/08/00 +1200, you wrote:
>John,
>
>There are storm chasers in the North Island i.e. me!!

Maybe I should re-phrase that
"not known to me" - storm chasers


>We had a thunderstorm on the same morning as the Huntly tornado, around
5:00am,
>which caused some major power surges between Palmerston North (where I live)
>and Otaki.  In Palmerston North, one lightning strike temporarily took out
the
>city central lighting.

Fantastic!

Hi Greg

Fantastic to hear that there are chasers here in NZ. I thort I was the only
one !?!?!?
(If there are any others out there - Speak Up!)
Great weather recently over the western regions of both North and South
Islands but nothing here in good old Christchurch. It's been fine here
throughout that period even with the dramatic drop/rise in air pressure
associated with that trough. 
Dunedin got some stormy weather yesterday, at Carisbrook a strong southerly
gust blew down one of the uprights just before kick-off of the
Waikato/Otago clash. If that system had of moved towards us instead of
moving more eastwards, we may of been in for some weather.  
We are approaching ONE WHOLE YEAR without a thunderstorm, so hopefully a
good, juicy storm is just around the corner!!!
Did you read the report of the lightning striking that Norfolk pine in
Auckland?
Must of been spectacular!  I missed the TV3 news item on it.


John Gaul
NZ Thunderstorm Society

John Gaul wrote:
>
>> Re Huntly tornado
>>
>> The tornado that moved through and twisted for 5kms through the towns of
>> Huntly and Te Kauri in the northern Waikato at 7.30am Friday 11th was
>> probably close to a F2.
>> Lots of damage to roofs and reports of an actual shed with people in it
>> being lifted up off the ground. A washing machine was lifted and carried 60
>> metres.
>> Unfortunately there are no storm chasers in the North Island and as I am
>> based in Christchurch where we don't get storms, no footage of the actual
>> tornado was made to my knowledge, mind you it was early in the morning.
>>
>> The tornadoes that we do get here in New Zealand are mainly on the west
>> coast of the country, in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if there were
>> waterspouts off the coast of Waikato. The upper level is very cold and the
>> Tassy Sea temps are quite warm and this trough did really spawn out with
>> some thunderstorm activity in western areas. The scenario did look very
>> good on satellite imagery, thats why I predicted that we would get possibly
>> some tornadoes in my email last night.
>>
>> John Gaul
>> NZ Thunderstorm Society
>>
>
>
>
>Gregg Ward
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:52:47 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mini/weak tornadoes
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Andrew McDonald wrote:

> Just in relation to a comment made by Leslie.....
> 
> "The funny thing is that the vast majority (> ~ 60%) of tornadoes that
occur
> even here in "Tornado Alley" are "weak" (winds 120 mph or less)"
> 
> Let me see....120mph = 192km/h......I think that would successfully
rearrange
> the roof and maybe a wall or two of a house.  I think its amusing what
> Leslie terms as "weak" and what I/we would consider weak here.  I was out

First, please understand that the value of "120 mph" was essentially off
the top of my head, if you will.  "Weak" tornadoes are classified as F0 and
F1.  Once again, this is a damage scale and not a wind speed scale.  (I
think we can all recite that in our sleep!  <S>)  So much is dependent on
the structural integrity of that which was damaged, if indeed, there are
structures to be damaged.   If one looks at the *estimated* wind speeds to
inflict F1 damage, it is less than about 113 mph.  

Having said this, my point was that here in the states we virtually NEVER
hear the term "mini" used in relation to tornadoes.  Those words just are
not juxtaposed!  There are a couple videos that come to my mind where in
one sense the term "mini" might be thought to apply.  In both those, there
is actual condensation that reaches the ground but it is so slender that it
would appear "I could put my arms around it!"  Needless to say, my arms
would probably not weather the storm very well.  I say that because one of
these same very slender tornadoes could be seen to uproot trees and send
them skyward as if they were rockets.  Seeing that, I would never call that
a "mini".  But, it would seem that no matter the intensity of tornadoes in
Australia, the press will very nearly always view these as "minies".  You
have "fallen and you will never again get up".  The press must carefully
prevent that from happening!  LOL

Les

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From: Harald Richter <hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov>
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Hi Dean and All,


Dean typed:
> ...  Landspouts, waterspouts, willy-willies all cannot be forecast for they work on
> convection currents alone. Whereas a tornado can be forecast, granted the
> use of radar and observations, 10 to 20 minutes before hand. Is this because
> it was spawned from a highly organized convective cloud, being that of a
> cumulonimbus incus, that has many observable key processes i.e. RFD,
> rotation, helicity, wind shear, thermal shear, updraught/downdraught etc...
> enabling it to self-sustain its formation? 


I think a key forecast parameter is __the scale__ of the phenomenon you want
to forecast.  Current operational Doppler radars such as the WSR-88D have 
an along-beam resolution of 250 metres and an azimuthal resolution
of ~0.92 degrees (values courtesy of Les Lemon, thanks).  
That pulse width resolves a supercell adequately,  
but it generally (unless the radar is very close to a bigger specimen!) 
wouldn't resolve a rapidly
growing cumulus congestus with a waterspout hanging down from its base.

Another key forecast parameter is public interest (i.e. funding).
In the States that are United tornadoes do enough damage to be 
interesting to those folks who only look at numbers if they are 
preceded by a dollar sign.  Waterspouts are too benign and occur at the
wrong location (over water) for that equation. 
Wait until a strong waterspout plows through the right yacht harbo(u)r 
one fine day...

I believe that sufficient effort could lead to waterspout forecasting. 
The issue for operational forecasters is the CONTINUOUS scan of
a LARGE AREA at very HIGH RESOLUTION.  The resolution is available - 
check out the dust devil radar images taken by Howie Bluestein with
the 3 mm UMass radar:

http://abyss.ecs.umass.edu/tornado/may-25-99.html

The trick for ultra short-term prediction is, as I said, 
to scan the right area continuously *before* the occurence of the dust devil.  


> No offence to anybody by this but
> it just seems awfully convenient to label weather phenomenon such as
> landspouts, which main mechanism is convection, as a tornado when clearly a
> tornado from a Cb is spawned from many, more complicated processes and
> mechanisms, some very different to that of just convection. I would
> appreciate your input/comments on this matter.


Discussions on DEFINITIONS usually open up a can of worms 
as definitions (by definition) are based on arbitrary choices.  
Try and define "warm" and "cold", for example.  
No matter how you do it,  there will be someone who 
will say "that's not cold" or "that's not warm."
It's the nature of definitions.

I think we don't know enough about the physics of rapidly rotating 
air in the real atmosphere to _cleanly_ classify the observed
spectrum.  So, you can chose to classify the spectrum in
a somewhat more dirty manner (as practised) or you play
it very conservatively and refrain from any classification and
call them all "vortices".  Even then you would have to outline
at what temporal/spatial scale rotating air is called a vortex.
After that you would have to define what "rotating air" is 
and so on.


Cheers, Harald


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NOAA/National Severe Storms Laboratory
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Thankyou for your reply Andrew,

Well the weather got even better here last night as some very very heavy 
showers developed just before 11:30pm.  They were fairly short-lived though. 
  Kent Town recorded nearly 14mm to 5:30am this morning.  Also a report of a 
thunderstorm at Port Lincoln.  Today is looking interesting with a few 
showers this morning and possible squalls to 25knots.  I suppose this is to 
do with the unstable airstream to our south.  Have learnt not to get my 
hopes up over such airstreams as often they only bring very brief showers 
here.  Sometimes when days are forecast to have widepread showers, whole 
slabs of the day can go without any rain from these airstreams.  Although 
there are the odd occasions of a lasting heavy one.  I suppose I just have 
to be patient.  Unstable north-west airstreams can be much better in my 
view.  And especially any unstable airstream in the warmer months.  Also 
thanks for the opinion on when we could get some thunderstorms.
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From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER:Hail in Melbourne
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Morning all,

Hail has just been reported in Thornbury & Rosanna, with 40-100mm/hr in
Abbotsford & Kew as a line of heavy showers with accompanying gust front
(which looked pretty impressive) moved up from the Werribbee area across the
city & surrounds over the past half hour.  Cold enough for the hail to
remain under the windscreen wipers for 10 minutes & settle on the roads
around Thornbury.

Clearing air behind this line with Cj's & probable Cbs moving up from the
SW.  Pressure remains around 1010hPa.

 Aviation forecast for Area 30 issued at 21:40 UTC, 14/08/2000

AREA FORECAST 142300 TO 151100 AREAS 30/32

SURFACE FRONT MOVING E 30KT FCST NEAR DENILIQUIN/ORBOST AT 23Z,
 WAGGA/COOMA 05Z. UPPER TROUGH SLOPES WESTWARD WITH HEIGHT, POSITION
 200NM TO W AT F185. ISOL TSRA/HAIL EXTENDING E ON AND S OF RANGES.
 DZ AREAS ABOUT RANGES. WIDESPREAD SHRA. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION

ISOL CB 3000/20000.
 BKN ST 1000/3000 DZ/RANGES/TSRA/SHRA.
 BKN CUSC 3000/10000. BKN ACAS ABV 10000 E OF UPPER TROUGH.

Freezing level forecast to drop from 5000' to 4000'

Nice day!!!

Jane
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cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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From: "Nick Sykes" <nsykes22 at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER:Hail in Melbourne
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:22:52 +1000
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Yes Jane it has been an interesting morning here in Melbourne, a nice CB
passed to my NW earlier today. Looking at the latest sat pic and very cold
air pool is heading straight for Victoria and should generate some very
interesting weather today.

Check my page for more details.

Current Conditons

Cold!!!
Temp: 8.8C
Wind: WNW, gusty
Cloud: nice towering cumulus to the south, lots of stratocumulus and some
altocumulus as well.

Nick Sykes

Location : Clayton South, Melbourne (
http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/mylocation.gif )
Webpage : SE Australia Satellite Images (
http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ )

Jane wrote..



> Morning all,
>
> Hail has just been reported in Thornbury & Rosanna, with 40-100mm/hr in
> Abbotsford & Kew as a line of heavy showers with accompanying gust front
> (which looked pretty impressive) moved up from the Werribbee area across
the
> city & surrounds over the past half hour.  Cold enough for the hail to
> remain under the windscreen wipers for 10 minutes & settle on the roads
> around Thornbury.
>
> Clearing air behind this line with Cj's & probable Cbs moving up from the
> SW.  Pressure remains around 1010hPa.
>
>  Aviation forecast for Area 30 issued at 21:40 UTC, 14/08/2000
>
> AREA FORECAST 142300 TO 151100 AREAS 30/32
>
> SURFACE FRONT MOVING E 30KT FCST NEAR DENILIQUIN/ORBOST AT 23Z,
>  WAGGA/COOMA 05Z. UPPER TROUGH SLOPES WESTWARD WITH HEIGHT, POSITION
>  200NM TO W AT F185. ISOL TSRA/HAIL EXTENDING E ON AND S OF RANGES.
>  DZ AREAS ABOUT RANGES. WIDESPREAD SHRA. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION
>
> ISOL CB 3000/20000.
>  BKN ST 1000/3000 DZ/RANGES/TSRA/SHRA.
>  BKN CUSC 3000/10000. BKN ACAS ABV 10000 E OF UPPER TROUGH.
>
> Freezing level forecast to drop from 5000' to 4000'
>
> Nice day!!!
>
> Jane
> ---------------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER:Hail in Melbourne
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:57:56 +1000
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Hi all.
Leopold 0955hrs.
Some very nice cold air CBs across Bass Strait at the moment, lots of deep
hard CJs over the sea, should move inland this morning . Seems to be a
thermal trough approaching Central Victoria with the coldest air now
starting to get onto the coastline of Western Victoria. Looking to the
southwest some of the snow fallout streaks are starting to reach at least
700 to 800m.
Good chance of a few cold air thunderstorms today, this cold wave should
push into the southern and central tablelands of NSW, today and tonight with
snow and sleet around the higher Blue mountains. regards Clyve H.
----- Original Message -----
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> Yes Jane it has been an interesting morning here in Melbourne, a nice CB
> passed to my NW earlier today. Looking at the latest sat pic and very cold
> air pool is heading straight for Victoria and should generate some very
> interesting weather today.
>
> Check my page for more details.
>
> Current Conditons
>
> Cold!!!
> Temp: 8.8C
> Wind: WNW, gusty
> Cloud: nice towering cumulus to the south, lots of stratocumulus and some
> altocumulus as well.
>
> Nick Sykes
>
> Location : Clayton South, Melbourne (
> http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/mylocation.gif )
> Webpage : SE Australia Satellite Images (
> http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ )
>
> Jane wrote..
>
>
>
> > Morning all,
> >
> > Hail has just been reported in Thornbury & Rosanna, with 40-100mm/hr in
> > Abbotsford & Kew as a line of heavy showers with accompanying gust front
> > (which looked pretty impressive) moved up from the Werribbee area across
> the
> > city & surrounds over the past half hour.  Cold enough for the hail to
> > remain under the windscreen wipers for 10 minutes & settle on the roads
> > around Thornbury.
> >
> > Clearing air behind this line with Cj's & probable Cbs moving up from
the
> > SW.  Pressure remains around 1010hPa.
> >
> >  Aviation forecast for Area 30 issued at 21:40 UTC, 14/08/2000
> >
> > AREA FORECAST 142300 TO 151100 AREAS 30/32
> >
> > SURFACE FRONT MOVING E 30KT FCST NEAR DENILIQUIN/ORBOST AT 23Z,
> >  WAGGA/COOMA 05Z. UPPER TROUGH SLOPES WESTWARD WITH HEIGHT, POSITION
> >  200NM TO W AT F185. ISOL TSRA/HAIL EXTENDING E ON AND S OF RANGES.
> >  DZ AREAS ABOUT RANGES. WIDESPREAD SHRA. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION
> >
> > ISOL CB 3000/20000.
> >  BKN ST 1000/3000 DZ/RANGES/TSRA/SHRA.
> >  BKN CUSC 3000/10000. BKN ACAS ABV 10000 E OF UPPER TROUGH.
> >
> > Freezing level forecast to drop from 5000' to 4000'
> >
> > Nice day!!!
> >
> > Jane
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Just to let everyone know that SBS is showing a Weather Documentary tonight.
Details below:



8.30 pm    SBS   THE CUTTING EDGE: WHAT'S UP WITH THE WEATHER?  G  (60 mins)
   This two-part PBS documentary, concluding next week, investigates the
   science and politics of one of the most controversial issues of the
   21st century - the truth about global warming. The first program
   charts how scientists agree on many key issues underlying the
   phenomenon, but a fierce debate centres on whether this warming occurs
   naturally or is the result of man's burning of fossil fuels, which
   increases the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The
   documentary interviews scientists, policymakers and fuel industry
   representatives who have sharply differing viewpoints. (From the US,
   in English). PART I


Best wishes

Desley in Cairns







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Blackheath: Tuesday 10:15am (Written offline)

Hi all,

Thanks for your observations Clyve. Lets hope the cold air/moisture
reaches us. That'll make it around eleven different days of observed
snow here this season. Now that is pretty good for us. :-) There's some
sleet days not included in that too.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
Nb:For "snow days", I mean snow observed falling on different days, ie:
after midnight is a new day, not 24 hour periods. Of course, my
daily/monthly rainfall isn't calculated this way. It's just a fun way to
observe snow days.



clyve herbert wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Leopold 0955hrs.
> Some very nice cold air CBs across Bass Strait at the moment, lots of deep
> hard CJs over the sea, should move inland this morning . Seems to be a
> thermal trough approaching Central Victoria with the coldest air now
> starting to get onto the coastline of Western Victoria. Looking to the
> southwest some of the snow fallout streaks are starting to reach at least
> 700 to 800m.
> Good chance of a few cold air thunderstorms today, this cold wave should
> push into the southern and central tablelands of NSW, today and tonight with
> snow and sleet around the higher Blue mountains. regards Clyve H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nick Sykes <nsykes22 at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER:Hail in Melbourne
> 
> > Yes Jane it has been an interesting morning here in Melbourne, a nice CB
> > passed to my NW earlier today. Looking at the latest sat pic and very cold
> > air pool is heading straight for Victoria and should generate some very
> > interesting weather today.
> >
> > Check my page for more details.
> >
> > Current Conditons
> >
> > Cold!!!
> > Temp: 8.8C
> > Wind: WNW, gusty
> > Cloud: nice towering cumulus to the south, lots of stratocumulus and some
> > altocumulus as well.
> >
> > Nick Sykes
> >
> > Location : Clayton South, Melbourne (
> > http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/mylocation.gif )
> > Webpage : SE Australia Satellite Images (
> > http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ )
> >
> > Jane wrote..
> >
> >
> >
> > > Morning all,
> > >
> > > Hail has just been reported in Thornbury & Rosanna, with 40-100mm/hr in
> > > Abbotsford & Kew as a line of heavy showers with accompanying gust front
> > > (which looked pretty impressive) moved up from the Werribbee area across
> > the
> > > city & surrounds over the past half hour.  Cold enough for the hail to
> > > remain under the windscreen wipers for 10 minutes & settle on the roads
> > > around Thornbury.
> > >
> > > Clearing air behind this line with Cj's & probable Cbs moving up from
> the
> > > SW.  Pressure remains around 1010hPa.
> > >
> > >  Aviation forecast for Area 30 issued at 21:40 UTC, 14/08/2000
> > >
> > > AREA FORECAST 142300 TO 151100 AREAS 30/32
> > >
> > > SURFACE FRONT MOVING E 30KT FCST NEAR DENILIQUIN/ORBOST AT 23Z,
> > >  WAGGA/COOMA 05Z. UPPER TROUGH SLOPES WESTWARD WITH HEIGHT, POSITION
> > >  200NM TO W AT F185. ISOL TSRA/HAIL EXTENDING E ON AND S OF RANGES.
> > >  DZ AREAS ABOUT RANGES. WIDESPREAD SHRA. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION
> > >
> > > ISOL CB 3000/20000.
> > >  BKN ST 1000/3000 DZ/RANGES/TSRA/SHRA.
> > >  BKN CUSC 3000/10000. BKN ACAS ABV 10000 E OF UPPER TROUGH.
> > >
> > > Freezing level forecast to drop from 5000' to 4000'
> > >
> > > Nice day!!!
> > >
> > > Jane
> > > ---------------------------------------
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> > >
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> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER:Hail in Melbourne
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:03:01 +1000
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Hi Guys,

We had a couple of brief hail falls in Kilsyth.  Only lasted a couple of
minutes each and were only very small (approx. 2-3mm dia.)

After the second lot went through, I got to see what looked like some very
big snow falls coming from one very impressive cloud.  Looked like it was
melting out at about 800-900ft, guessing by it's relationship with the top
of Mt Dandenong.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:06 AM
Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER:Hail in Melbourne


> Morning all,
>
> Hail has just been reported in Thornbury & Rosanna, with 40-100mm/hr in
> Abbotsford & Kew as a line of heavy showers with accompanying gust front
> (which looked pretty impressive) moved up from the Werribbee area across
the
> city & surrounds over the past half hour.  Cold enough for the hail to
> remain under the windscreen wipers for 10 minutes & settle on the roads
> around Thornbury.
>
> Clearing air behind this line with Cj's & probable Cbs moving up from the
> SW.  Pressure remains around 1010hPa.
>
>  Aviation forecast for Area 30 issued at 21:40 UTC, 14/08/2000
>
> AREA FORECAST 142300 TO 151100 AREAS 30/32
>
> SURFACE FRONT MOVING E 30KT FCST NEAR DENILIQUIN/ORBOST AT 23Z,
>  WAGGA/COOMA 05Z. UPPER TROUGH SLOPES WESTWARD WITH HEIGHT, POSITION
>  200NM TO W AT F185. ISOL TSRA/HAIL EXTENDING E ON AND S OF RANGES.
>  DZ AREAS ABOUT RANGES. WIDESPREAD SHRA. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIPITATION
>
> ISOL CB 3000/20000.
>  BKN ST 1000/3000 DZ/RANGES/TSRA/SHRA.
>  BKN CUSC 3000/10000. BKN ACAS ABV 10000 E OF UPPER TROUGH.
>
> Freezing level forecast to drop from 5000' to 4000'
>
> Nice day!!!
>
> Jane
> ---------------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: aus-wx: GUYRA CLIMATE DATA YR 2000
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have just received the climate data for Guyra for the year to July.</DIV>
<DIV>Jan</DIV>
<DIV>Av max 22.08</DIV>
<DIV>Av min&nbsp;&nbsp;10.48</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest max 16.2</DIV>
<DIV>Highest max 30.5</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest min 6.0</DIV>
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<DIV>Highest min 14.0</DIV>
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<DIV>Highest max 27.0</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest min 8.1</DIV>
<DIV>Highest min 15.0</DIV>
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<DIV>Av min&nbsp;&nbsp; 7.91</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest max 14.0</DIV>
<DIV>Highest max 24.1</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest min 0.0,&nbsp; 1 frost</DIV>
<DIV>Highest min 14.5</DIV>
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<DIV>Lowest max 3.5</DIV>
<DIV>Highest max 19.6</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest min -2.5, 9 frosts</DIV>
<DIV>Highest min 11.4</DIV>
<DIV>Rainfall 61.2mm, 1 fog, 3 snowfalls(2-3cm)</DIV>
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<DIV>Av max 10.55</DIV>
<DIV>Av min 1.13</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest max 4.8</DIV>
<DIV>Highest max 13.6</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest min -5.5, 12 frosts</DIV>
<DIV>Highest min 7.5</DIV>
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<DIV>Highest max 15.5</DIV>
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Hi,

Here's a copy of an full page article my local newspaper The Northern Star
from Lismore NSW did on me, chasing and ASWA:

(the photos and heading)
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/nstar1.gif
(the actual report)
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/nstar2.gif

It was a nice surprise when they contacted me last week, so hopefully some
locals here will catch on to ASWA.

regards, Michael



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Hi all, just heard a report on the radio reporting snow on the Western Hwy
between Ballan and Ballarat. Anyone else got any more info? Dane Kilsyth
(Melbourne)


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Hi Chris,

>After the second lot went through, I got to see what looked like some very
>big snow falls coming from one very impressive cloud.  Looked like it was
>melting out at about 800-900ft, guessing by it's relationship with the top
>of Mt Dandenong.

Could you confirm that was FEET not METERS - just curious to know what might 
be upstream for later tonight...

Thanks,

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Sorry, used to flying talk, yes, it was meters, not feet.

Chris
(Still trying to get used to two different systems:-)

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> Hi Chris,
>
> >After the second lot went through, I got to see what looked like some
very
> >big snow falls coming from one very impressive cloud.  Looked like it was
> >melting out at about 800-900ft, guessing by it's relationship with the
top
> >of Mt Dandenong.
>
> Could you confirm that was FEET not METERS - just curious to know what
might
> be upstream for later tonight...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
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>Hi guys,
>
>I'm new to this meesage board but just thought I would report on Adelaide
>weather.
>By the way anyone who lives in Adelaide, don't you think this winter has
>been a bit dissapointing in terms of winter storms only one thunderstorm
>that reached into the city over about the last three months, which was last
>week.


Welcome to the list SG!  I suggest, if you haven't already, getting in
contact with our local ASWA representatives Andrew and Kathryn at
astroman at mail.chariot.net.au for more info.

As far as Adelaide's winter's weather is concerned - I think you're
abosoutely right!  Lots of rain, but severe weather wise a total loss!  I
haven't had a single thunder day this winter, hardly any hail, and not one
decent strong frontal squall [all the fronts have come though at night
anyway!]

>I hope spring brings active weather, seeing as rainfall totals have been
>above average for most of the year it is looking promising.

Indeed..................

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From: Lindsay Pearce <writer at lisp.com.au>
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Blackheath, NSW Central Tablelands: Tuesday 6:50pm.

Light rain falling here, temp has dropped from 5.3 to 4 in the last 15
mins or so.

Bom didn't forecast rain for the eastern tablelands tonight, only the
west, although it is light rain only.

Lindsay P.
PS: Might sleep in the study tonight as the window faces to the west and
south west.

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Dane and All,

There was a report on the Channel 9 news tonight (during the weather) of a
fairly decent fall of hail in Ballarat (city of) today and the footage
showed small (pea size and less) up to 2cm deep.  I wouldn't be surprised to
see that reported as snow on the highway to the untrained eye.

Regards,

Andrew McDonald
(Macca - ASWA - MSC)

Subject: aus-wx: Snow near Ballarat


> Hi all, just heard a report on the radio reporting snow on the Western Hwy
> between Ballan and Ballarat. Anyone else got any more info? Dane Kilsyth
> (Melbourne)



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey again pples,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think it has ben analysed or if it will be 
but I think there may be a low formed/developing SE of Port Phillip Heads 
heading ENE.&nbsp; It can been seen on Melbourne Broad radar currently sitting S 
of Westernport Bay.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very cold air is crossing Victoria this evening and 
tonight and we should see snowfalls down to about 500m tonight (Mt Dandenong, 
Ballarat, and maybe Kinglake) and flurries possible to lower levels.&nbsp; Hail 
is also likely with plenty of large cold air showers and no doubt storms moving 
over the state as we speak.&nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised to see 30cm of snow on 
the alps tonight too which is great news for the skiiers.</FONT></DIV>
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Blackheath: Tuesday 8pm

We've had 2mm of light rain over the last hour (large drops) with a FEW
snow flakes mixed in. Back to drizzle just now with some larger drops
and the cloud deck is low and misty.

Looking okay for tomorrow.

Lindsay

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Thanks for your response Phil,

I hadn't thought about the fact that nearly all of the cold fronts this 
winter have crossed Adelaide during the night, that is definatley true.  
Also we have had hardly any intense low pressure systems crossing near the 
coast compared with average years as well.  This could have had an effect on 
the number of severe weather events we have had???

Does anybody in Adelaide remember last year during spring when a number of 
heat troughs developed in Western Australia and moved into South Australia 
causing frequent bursts of rain sometimes very light and some thunderstorms. 
  It would be good if a repeat of that happened, or something similar 
happened this year.


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Hi everyone,
            Some very nice cold air Cbs here this afternoon, one at around 
16:00 produced a nice covering of hail. The stones were up to 8mm diameter 
and accumulated into piles against walls etc. My wife informed me that at 
the University, located in Flora Hill, lawns were completely covered in 
places, and there were still hailstones piled on the top of the car boot 
when she arrived home just after 17:00.
   The clouds were glaciated down to very low levels, with snow streaks 
obscuring views of the main Cbs.
   Temperature had fallen to 4.2 deg by 18:00.

Regards,
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Golden Square,
Bendigo, Vic.
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Michael,

This is an excellent article and dedicated to give maximum publicity for 
ASWA. I hope a lot of good comes from it. I am certain it is more 
beneficial than the article written in The Australian as it publishes the 
web addresses..

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:37 PM 15/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Here's a copy of an full page article my local newspaper The Northern Star
>from Lismore NSW did on me, chasing and ASWA:
>
>(the photos and heading)
>http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/nstar1.gif
>(the actual report)
>http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/nstar2.gif
>
>It was a nice surprise when they contacted me last week, so hopefully some
>locals here will catch on to ASWA.
>
>regards, Michael
>
>
>
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Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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