From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 29 Aug 00 23:33:35 +1000
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Hello MSC!

29 Aug 00 23:11, you wrote to Aussie-wx:

 MO> Um, did anyone feel an earth tremor at ~2305? came from the NE towards
 MO> the SW, just a quick twist, but it got Cadence off the bed & I felt
 MO> the floor twist slightly - it was here & gone - no rumbling -
 MO> interesting to see who else felt it - Nick Sykes in Clayton did too.

Yes, felt it in Niddrie.  Apparently, the epicentre was in Gippsland, and it
was a fully fledged earthquake.


Tony, VK3JED

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any idea when this is going to be on?

At 10:43 29/08/00 GMT, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>           I just caught a glimpse of some awesome tornado footage on a 
>program to be screened on the ABC about following the torch relay across the 
>outback, I think...
>Sorry, I can't remember the name of the program but it will be screening 
>very soon and from what I saw it looks like the best tornado footage I have 
>seen from this country.
>Paul.
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Bussie.
It seems the north east may be primed for a flood ,when we consider that the
extensive winter snow accumulations haven't started to melt yet. Regards
Clyve H.
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> Was talking to a bloke this morning from the Murray River Control Group I
> think he called it. Not sure who he was but he seemed to know what he was
on
> about. He was saying that the Hume dam is filling rapidly with an increase
> of 1.7% since yesterday, now at 87.2%. Apparently there is some meeting
> tomorrow where they will decide if they should pre-release some of the
> water. The river gauge at Albury apparently is kept under 1.9 to 2 metres
if
> at all possible. With pre-releases this could reach 4 metres by some time
> next week, and if rainfall continues this week, especially with any heavy
> falls, then this level may reach 5 metres.
>
> Here at Rutherglen the average monthly rainfall has already been passed
from
> the average of 61.8mm to 92mm up until yesterday. Basically the place is
> pretty water logged.
>
> Bussy (NE Victoria)
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:23:23 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: Earthquake in Melbourne just now??
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One thing is certain......the press will call it a "mini" quake.  Australia
doesn't really have the 'real' thing, you know that, of course.  LOL.  

Les

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires *cough .. cough* (was River rises in NE
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I found these pics to be just great!  They have an artistic character to
them, especially those nighttime closeups.

Les

> Funny you should say that - seems we have had dozens of fires around my
> local area the last few weeks, and today i was actually in the right
place
> at the right time and managed to get a few pictures
> 
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires2.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires.jpg
> 
> The smoke in the second pic was just awesome - that was quite a nasty
> (although small) fire
> 
> And i also got some night shots (with the digi cam) of a fire VERY close
to
> my suburb a few weeks back
> 
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire3.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire1.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire2.jpg


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>Funny you should say that - seems we have had dozens of fires around my
local area the last few weeks, and today i was actually in the right place
at the right time and managed to get a few pictures

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires2.jpg
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires.jpg

The smoke in the second pic was just awesome - that was quite a nasty
(although small) fire

And i also got some night shots (with the digi cam) of a fire VERY close to
my suburb a few weeks back

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire3.jpg
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire1.jpg
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire2.jpg<

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Hi All.

Some time ago there was a thread on astrometeorology, where a generally
skeptical attitude was expressed by the few who commented.

I am not so quick to dismiss this as a purely crank idea, granted that the
astrology columns in the daily papers are rather amusing at best.

For a long time I have been aware of the fact that there are daily
atmospheric tides that correspond to the ocean tides - I was taught this at
school - and I have yet to hear of any meteorologist or computer model that
takes this regular cyclic phenomena into account in their weather forecasts
(please correct me if I'm wrong).

As with the ocean tides, the atmospheric tides are infuenced by a
combination of the gravitational forces of the Sun and Moon, and this
follows several predictable cycles: a ~23 hr cycle, a ~29 day cycle Lunar,
a ~18 year nodal cycle, and the Moon's perigee cycle (I no longer remember
how long that is), which is what enables accurate tide tables to be issued
years in advance for any location - such tables should also be possible for
the atmospheric tides.

There are also other external factors that appear to influence our weather,
such as the 11 year Sunspot cycle, with periods of increased Solar activity
causing the Earth to be bombarded with more frequent storms of charged
particles - active Solar periods also seem to coincide with periods of more
severe / extreme weather.

Some of you may know that the published ionospheric shortwave radio
propagation forecasts widely used in communications around the globe are in
part based on the heliocentric positions of planets relative to each other
in their orbits around the Sun, and the state of the 11 year Sunspot cycle,
and these forecasts have proved to be a useful guide for shortwave radio
operators around the globe.

From what I have read (some time ago know) about the process of making
these forecasts, it seems that heliocentric planetary angular relationships
of around 0 degrees, 90 degrees, 180 degrees, and 270 degrees, correspond
to times of unsettled ionospheric conditions and so poor propogation, and
angular relationships of around 60 degrees, 120 degrees, 240 degrees, and
300 degrees correspond to periods of relative calm ionspheric conditions
and so good propogation - an overall judgement is made by combining the way
the planets fit this approximate pattern, and I understand that different
planets are given different levels of 'weighting' in this system -
unfortunately, it was quite a while ago that I read about this, and no
longer have the source information or where it can be found, but if anyone
knows, I would be interested to find out.

If this method works reasonably well as part of the basis for shortwave
radio propogation forecasts, why is there apparently no-one in the
meteorological field looking at these factors in regards to our weather?

Both conditions in the ionosphere (which apparently are reasonably
predictable) and atmospheric tides (also should be reasonably predictable)
may have some bearing on weather conditions, and could hold valuable clues
to long-range weather forecasting - all that is required to investigate it
is the long term weather records of a reasonable number of locations and a
program that can generate Sun and Moon relationships to see how the regular
29 day and ~18 year cyclic phenomena compares with the weather records of
various locations, a means of analysing at the heliocentric positions of
the planets to make similar comparisons, and a long term sunspot record
could be a useful addition to this - if there is indeed any clear patterns
of relationship to any or all of these factors, they should become apparent
to someone with a mind open enough to have a look.

As a means to find out what others may be doing in this general area,
granted that their methods may be quite different to the ideas I expressed
above, 2 days ago I joined an astrometeorology list and issued an
invitation for it's members to to send their astrometeorology forecasts for
the Sydney Olympics for posting on the internet prior to the Olympics so
that anyone who is interested can see just how accurate or otherwise they
are.

The first forecast has already been sent to me, and I have posted it at
http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/Olympics.html.

I will be quite interested to see how accurate or otherwise this (and any
yet to arrive) forecasts will turn out to be, and I am sure some of you may
also be curious to see the results.

Regards,
Carl.


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hi everyone,
yes i felt it here in Wonthaggi too,i was in bed watching tv and the window 
was rattling and i felt my bed move a little too.


>From: MSC - Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:11:42 +1000
>
>Um, did anyone feel an earth tremor at ~2305? came from the NE towards
>the SW, just a quick twist, but it got Cadence off the bed & I felt the
>floor twist slightly - it was here & gone - no rumbling - interesting to
>see who else felt it - Nick Sykes in Clayton did too.
>
>Jane ONeill
>Melbourne - earthquake capital of Australia
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Yeah, It's been quite a while since I saw the Murray flood last time. This
bloke reckons that the snow on the mountains equates to about 7 inches of
water on the ground when it melts. So there's a fair bit of water to come
down yet.

Bussy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: River rises in NE Vic


> Hi Bussie.
> It seems the north east may be primed for a flood ,when we consider that
the
> extensive winter snow accumulations haven't started to melt yet. Regards
> Clyve H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bussie <bussie at netc.net.au>
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 1:38 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: River rises in NE Vic
>
>
> > Was talking to a bloke this morning from the Murray River Control Group
I
> > think he called it. Not sure who he was but he seemed to know what he
was
> on
> > about. He was saying that the Hume dam is filling rapidly with an
increase
> > of 1.7% since yesterday, now at 87.2%. Apparently there is some meeting
> > tomorrow where they will decide if they should pre-release some of the
> > water. The river gauge at Albury apparently is kept under 1.9 to 2
metres
> if
> > at all possible. With pre-releases this could reach 4 metres by some
time
> > next week, and if rainfall continues this week, especially with any
heavy
> > falls, then this level may reach 5 metres.
> >
> > Here at Rutherglen the average monthly rainfall has already been passed
> from
> > the average of 61.8mm to 92mm up until yesterday. Basically the place is
> > pretty water logged.
> >
> > Bussy (NE Victoria)
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So Newcastle's Earthquake wasn't a earthquake, hmmmmmmmm?


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>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:23:23 -0400
>
>One thing is certain......the press will call it a "mini" quake.  Australia
>doesn't really have the 'real' thing, you know that, of course.  LOL.
>
>Les
>
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4.5 on the rickie scale. It was out Gippsland, but nothing happened here in 
boring ol' ballarat, just fog, heavy dew/frost. Damn cold.
Les


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>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:15:14 +1000 (EST)
>
>
>Hi all
>
>I know this is off topic, but while sitting in the computing room on the
>4th floor of the maths building at Monash Uni (Clayton), my computer
>monitor began to oscillate back an forth by about 1 cm each way. I
>could also feel the table under my arms moving. This lasted for about 10
>secs and was quite noticeable!
>
>Did anyone else notice this and was this an (mini :-) )earthquake?
>
>I wasn't sure if it was the floor slightly moving or just my adrenalin
>rushing, and there weren't any other things which I could see that would
>show motion.
>
>This occurred at 23:07EST.
>
>Wow, at the moment, I'm kinda on edge, and a bit shook up if you pardon
>the pun.
>
>
>Cheers
>
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>
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>
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Hi all,

It was somewhat depressing that when I arrived on Monday morning, I
thought Sydney's air was cleaner than Brisbane's!!!  No offence
Sydney-Siders :)  

Media reports have indicated that there have been over 1000 fires across
SE QLD over the past 10 days, yesterday a house was lost - in what has
been called the worse start to the fire season since 1994.

A lot of the area just SW/W/NW of Brisbane is extremely dry - while
Brisbane has had some precipitation earlier this year from coastal
shower/rain events - just inland has had very little.  Our neighbour at
Hiddenvale(Grandchester) at the farm has had his family keeping rainfall
records to the early 1900's.  He said that according to their records,
it's been the driest year in 74 years!

We've had over 2 weeks of strong SW'ly to NW'ly winds, which have been
very dry (DP's hovering around 0 constantly) - and combine that with the
low lifes who often light these fires, and you have trouble :(

Some mid-high level cloud coming through today...

Anthony Cornelius

Ben Quinn wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> > worried that if significant rainfall does not occur by late October /
> > November we could be setting up for a potentially bad bushfire season.
> 
> Funny you should say that - seems we have had dozens of fires around my
> local area the last few weeks, and today i was actually in the right place
> at the right time and managed to get a few pictures
> 
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires2.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires.jpg
> 
> The smoke in the second pic was just awesome - that was quite a nasty
> (although small) fire
> 
> And i also got some night shots (with the digi cam) of a fire VERY close to
> my suburb a few weeks back
> 
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire3.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire1.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire2.jpg
> 
> The last two pics are closeups of small areas of grass on fire well away
> from the main fire
> 
> *shrugs* Thought people may have been interested - although i can't see
> myself making a habit of going out and photographing these things - my dad
> owns a property NW of Brisbane, and i have been up there when he has burnt
> off some of the paddocks - when the wind got behind a fire one day it moved
> at a frightening pace, and burning to death is not the way i want to go
> out... :)

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Hi all,

This was touched on briefly last year, but I'd like to bring it up again
as we roll into our storm(chase) season.  That is, installing CB radios
into your car!

They're a fantastic tool, and pretty much an essential item for anyone
who wants to "team up" with other cars and chase.  It'll set you back
about $150 (including the unit, antenna, mount bracket for antenna etc)
- but think about the following:

- The number of phone calls you'll cut down on from not having to
constantly ring other people in your convoy to discuss things.
- You only need one person to receive a radar update, and it can be
broadcasted to everyone very easily.
- You don't need to constantly stop all the time (wasting time and
money) to talk about what you want to do - you can do it just using the
CB!
- You can warn people behind you that you're going to stop soon to pull
over - useful if you don't want people to accidently rear end you -or-
- You can use the CB radio and be spaced out (100m per car), so that
people can ovetake you safely if they wish and you have plenty of notice
of upcoming hazards (dead kanagaroo on the road, going to stop quickly,
speed trap ahead etc)
- It is MUCH more fun!  Instead of having 2 people in the conversation,
the entire convoy can join in the conversation!
- It's safer in the sense that you're going to do long driving, and you
can look out for each other (ie, if some one seems to be drifting too
much you can tell them etc).  (Could be useful for you Jimmy :-)

It really is extremely useful!  And makes it easier for everyone to
communicate with each other!  It's a must for any long distance chasing
- and you'll probably be "left out" on TD2K if you don't have one!
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
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Subject: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE SITE
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HI all

A good earthquake site is www.incident.com.

Dave

Bathurst.

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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Radar glitch?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:44:41 +1000
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I am just looking at the broadscale radar in Brisbane, and there is a very
long blue line going along the top. Is this a glitch in the radar?

David Findlay

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:41:09 +1000
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This raises an interesting point. Would I be right in suggesting any quake
in NZ's Fjordland has the potential to generate a Tsunami targeted straight
at the Australian coast.

Surely this has happened and we kind of live in a false sense that we are
immune from these types of natural disasters.
I know that if I go for a walk down to the local rocks there are many car
size boulders piled up against the vegetation line well above high tide, and
not boulders that originated from them. Even being an avid surfer in my
younger days I have never saw any seas big enough to move boulders on this
scale and number. This includes a couple of cyclone swells with bigger than
30ft sets. ( last swell that big was in the 1970's ). Given that one can
assume that sea levels only get lower in recent history ( past 15,000ft
years ) I assume it must have been Tsunami waves.

Michael


> Probably an aftershock of an earthquake felt in Fjordland at 3:50pm today
> NZ time that measured 5.4 on the Richter Scale. It was 121 kms deep.
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires *cough .. cough* (was River rises in NE Vic)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:42:26 +1000
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Great pics Ben. I assume that you have a digital camera. What brand do you
have as it takes quite good pics, and very TRUE colours.

Michael

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, 29 August 2000 22:23
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires *cough .. cough* (was River rises in NE Vic)


> Hi Michael,
>
> > worried that if significant rainfall does not occur by late October /
> > November we could be setting up for a potentially bad bushfire season.
>
> Funny you should say that - seems we have had dozens of fires around my
> local area the last few weeks, and today i was actually in the right place
> at the right time and managed to get a few pictures
>
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires2.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires.jpg
>
> The smoke in the second pic was just awesome - that was quite a nasty
> (although small) fire
>
> And i also got some night shots (with the digi cam) of a fire VERY close
to
> my suburb a few weeks back
>
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire3.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire1.jpg
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire2.jpg
>
> The last two pics are closeups of small areas of grass on fire well away
> from the main fire
>
> *shrugs* Thought people may have been interested - although i can't see
> myself making a habit of going out and photographing these things - my dad
> owns a property NW of Brisbane, and i have been up there when he has burnt
> off some of the paddocks - when the wind got behind a fire one day it
moved
> at a frightening pace, and burning to death is not the way i want to go
> out... :)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: River rises in NE Vic
>
>
> > Good to see you getting the rain. Here in the Illawarra I am a little
> > worried that if significant rainfall does not occur by late October /
> > November we could be setting up for a potentially bad bushfire season.
> Just
> > about every month this year has had below average rainfall.  We have
> > something like 500mm to catch up on to get average by the end of year.
> Very
> > unlikely given that September and October are traditionally quite dry.
> >
> > It is what the farmers here call a green drought, the grass in green,
but
> > the creeks, rivers, etc are low. A week of hot dry west winds in Oct/Nov
> and
> > it will be like tinder.
> >
> > By the way the wind has picked up over the last couple of hours, we have
a
> > 20-30knot W/SW at present. ( 10.15pm )
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bussie <bussie at netc.net.au>
> > To: weather list <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 29 August 2000 13:38
> > Subject: aus-wx: River rises in NE Vic
> >
> >
> > > Was talking to a bloke this morning from the Murray River Control
Group
> I
> > > think he called it. Not sure who he was but he seemed to know what he
> was
> > on
> > > about. He was saying that the Hume dam is filling rapidly with an
> increase
> > > of 1.7% since yesterday, now at 87.2%. Apparently there is some
meeting
> > > tomorrow where they will decide if they should pre-release some of the
> > > water. The river gauge at Albury apparently is kept under 1.9 to 2
> metres
> > if
> > > at all possible. With pre-releases this could reach 4 metres by some
> time
> > > next week, and if rainfall continues this week, especially with any
> heavy
> > > falls, then this level may reach 5 metres.
> > >
> > > Here at Rutherglen the average monthly rainfall has already been
passed
> > from
> > > the average of 61.8mm to 92mm up until yesterday. Basically the place
is
> > > pretty water logged.
> > >
> > > Bussy (NE Victoria)
> > >
> > >
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires *cough .. cough* (was River rises in NE Vic)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:55:34 +1000
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Hi Michael,

Sure do - just sold my old digi cam (Kodak DC 215) to Jane Oniel in VIC, and
upgraded to the DC 240 - you can view the spec sheet here

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/digital/genInfo/dc240.jhtml

It's has 1.3 megapixel resolution, and as you have said the pictures turn
out great - i have found that the exposure and colours of the pictures is
exceptional (for a point and shoot) in the whole DC range - for anyone
looking for a digi cam around or under the $1000 mark, you can't go past the
DC240/280 (280 is the same as the 240 pretty much, just has 2 megapixel
resolution and less optical but more digital zoom)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires *cough .. cough* (was River rises in NE Vic)


> Great pics Ben. I assume that you have a digital camera. What brand do you
> have as it takes quite good pics, and very TRUE colours.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ben Quinn <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 August 2000 22:23
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires *cough .. cough* (was River rises in NE Vic)
>
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > > worried that if significant rainfall does not occur by late October /
> > > November we could be setting up for a potentially bad bushfire season.
> >
> > Funny you should say that - seems we have had dozens of fires around my
> > local area the last few weeks, and today i was actually in the right
place
> > at the right time and managed to get a few pictures
> >
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires2.jpg
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires.jpg
> >
> > The smoke in the second pic was just awesome - that was quite a nasty
> > (although small) fire
> >
> > And i also got some night shots (with the digi cam) of a fire VERY close
> to
> > my suburb a few weeks back
> >
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire3.jpg
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire1.jpg
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire2.jpg
> >
> > The last two pics are closeups of small areas of grass on fire well away
> > from the main fire
> >
> > *shrugs* Thought people may have been interested - although i can't see
> > myself making a habit of going out and photographing these things - my
dad
> > owns a property NW of Brisbane, and i have been up there when he has
burnt
> > off some of the paddocks - when the wind got behind a fire one day it
> moved
> > at a frightening pace, and burning to death is not the way i want to go
> > out... :)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: River rises in NE Vic
> >
> >
> > > Good to see you getting the rain. Here in the Illawarra I am a little
> > > worried that if significant rainfall does not occur by late October /
> > > November we could be setting up for a potentially bad bushfire season.
> > Just
> > > about every month this year has had below average rainfall.  We have
> > > something like 500mm to catch up on to get average by the end of year.
> > Very
> > > unlikely given that September and October are traditionally quite dry.
> > >
> > > It is what the farmers here call a green drought, the grass in green,
> but
> > > the creeks, rivers, etc are low. A week of hot dry west winds in
Oct/Nov
> > and
> > > it will be like tinder.
> > >
> > > By the way the wind has picked up over the last couple of hours, we
have
> a
> > > 20-30knot W/SW at present. ( 10.15pm )
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: bussie <bussie at netc.net.au>
> > > To: weather list <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 August 2000 13:38
> > > Subject: aus-wx: River rises in NE Vic
> > >
> > >
> > > > Was talking to a bloke this morning from the Murray River Control
> Group
> > I
> > > > think he called it. Not sure who he was but he seemed to know what
he
> > was
> > > on
> > > > about. He was saying that the Hume dam is filling rapidly with an
> > increase
> > > > of 1.7% since yesterday, now at 87.2%. Apparently there is some
> meeting
> > > > tomorrow where they will decide if they should pre-release some of
the
> > > > water. The river gauge at Albury apparently is kept under 1.9 to 2
> > metres
> > > if
> > > > at all possible. With pre-releases this could reach 4 metres by some
> > time
> > > > next week, and if rainfall continues this week, especially with any
> > heavy
> > > > falls, then this level may reach 5 metres.
> > > >
> > > > Here at Rutherglen the average monthly rainfall has already been
> passed
> > > from
> > > > the average of 61.8mm to 92mm up until yesterday. Basically the
place
> is
> > > > pretty water logged.
> > > >
> > > > Bussy (NE Victoria)
> > > >
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:07:10 +1000
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Hi Michael,  Unless my memory is serving me badly, and it generally does, I
believe I once read about boulders somewhere on the SE NSW  coast that have
been displaced up to 1KM inland from the coast by what could only have been
a tsunami in the very long ago. I'm curious if the geometry of the
continental shelf down there is conducive to helping the wave " stand up" as
it hits the coast.
Damien (Brisbane)
----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's


> This raises an interesting point. Would I be right in suggesting any quake
> in NZ's Fjordland has the potential to generate a Tsunami targeted
straight
> at the Australian coast.
>
> Surely this has happened and we kind of live in a false sense that we are
> immune from these types of natural disasters.
> I know that if I go for a walk down to the local rocks there are many car
> size boulders piled up against the vegetation line well above high tide,
and
> not boulders that originated from them. Even being an avid surfer in my
> younger days I have never saw any seas big enough to move boulders on this
> scale and number. This includes a couple of cyclone swells with bigger
than
> 30ft sets. ( last swell that big was in the 1970's ). Given that one can
> assume that sea levels only get lower in recent history ( past 15,000ft
> years ) I assume it must have been Tsunami waves.
>
> Michael
>
>
> > Probably an aftershock of an earthquake felt in Fjordland at 3:50pm
today
> > NZ time that measured 5.4 on the Richter Scale. It was 121 kms deep.
> >
>
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
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There is an interesting link on the subject of
tsunamis and the Australian coastline at:

http://www.es.mq.edu.au/nhrc/nhqapril.htm

Also the Emergency Management Australia web-site
at

http://www.ema.gov.au/fs-community.html

cites the 1960 tsunami that hit the east coast
as one that caused significant damage (although
no details).

Mind you the same EMA link also refers to last year's
Sydney hailstorm as one that struck without warning..
(funny I recall a Wollongong member of this list -
providing just such a warning and this list going
ballistic well before the storm did..) I suppose
they mean no official warning.

Patrick


>From: "Damien Howes" <dhowes at flatrate.net.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:07:10 +1000
>
>Hi Michael,  Unless my memory is serving me badly, and it generally does, I
>believe I once read about boulders somewhere on the SE NSW  coast that have
>been displaced up to 1KM inland from the coast by what could only have been
>a tsunami in the very long ago. I'm curious if the geometry of the
>continental shelf down there is conducive to helping the wave " stand up" 
>as
>it hits the coast.
>Damien (Brisbane)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:41 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
>
>
> > This raises an interesting point. Would I be right in suggesting any 
>quake
> > in NZ's Fjordland has the potential to generate a Tsunami targeted
>straight
> > at the Australian coast.
> >
> > Surely this has happened and we kind of live in a false sense that we 
>are
> > immune from these types of natural disasters.
> > I know that if I go for a walk down to the local rocks there are many 
>car
> > size boulders piled up against the vegetation line well above high tide,
>and
> > not boulders that originated from them. Even being an avid surfer in my
> > younger days I have never saw any seas big enough to move boulders on 
>this
> > scale and number. This includes a couple of cyclone swells with bigger
>than
> > 30ft sets. ( last swell that big was in the 1970's ). Given that one can
> > assume that sea levels only get lower in recent history ( past 15,000ft
> > years ) I assume it must have been Tsunami waves.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > Probably an aftershock of an earthquake felt in Fjordland at 3:50pm
>today
> > > NZ time that measured 5.4 on the Richter Scale. It was 121 kms deep.
> > >
> >
> >
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Leslie Baxter wrote:

> So Newcastle's Earthquake wasn't a earthquake, hmmmmmmmm?

I guess you missed my attempt at humor.  
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Hi All,

Second link has some interesting "facts" in the EMA Aussie disaster list
e.g.,

Jan 85 Brisbane Storm & Jan 91 Sydney (Turramurra) storms both listed as
'incl. Tornado' when in fact I believe that this is not confirmed for either
storm.  Only severe straight line wind damage was observed.

John.
>snip
Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's

There is an interesting link on the subject of
tsunamis and the Australian coastline at:

http://www.es.mq.edu.au/nhrc/nhqapril.htm

Also the Emergency Management Australia web-site
at

http://www.ema.gov.au/fs-community.html

cites the 1960 tsunami that hit the east coast
as one that caused significant damage (although
no details).

Mind you the same EMA link also refers to last year's
Sydney hailstorm as one that struck without warning..
(funny I recall a Wollongong member of this list -
providing just such a warning and this list going
ballistic well before the storm did..) I suppose
they mean no official warning.

Patrick


>From: "Damien Howes" <dhowes at flatrate.net.au>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:07:10 +1000
>
>Hi Michael,  Unless my memory is serving me badly, and it generally does, I
>believe I once read about boulders somewhere on the SE NSW  coast that have
>been displaced up to 1KM inland from the coast by what could only have been
>a tsunami in the very long ago. I'm curious if the geometry of the
>continental shelf down there is conducive to helping the wave " stand up"
>as
>it hits the coast.
>Damien (Brisbane)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:41 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
>
>
> > This raises an interesting point. Would I be right in suggesting any
>quake
> > in NZ's Fjordland has the potential to generate a Tsunami targeted
>straight
> > at the Australian coast.
> >
> > Surely this has happened and we kind of live in a false sense that we
>are
> > immune from these types of natural disasters.
> > I know that if I go for a walk down to the local rocks there are many
>car
> > size boulders piled up against the vegetation line well above high tide,
>and
> > not boulders that originated from them. Even being an avid surfer in my
> > younger days I have never saw any seas big enough to move boulders on
>this
> > scale and number. This includes a couple of cyclone swells with bigger
>than
> > 30ft sets. ( last swell that big was in the 1970's ). Given that one can
> > assume that sea levels only get lower in recent history ( past 15,000ft
> > years ) I assume it must have been Tsunami waves.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > Probably an aftershock of an earthquake felt in Fjordland at 3:50pm
>today
> > > NZ time that measured 5.4 on the Richter Scale. It was 121 kms deep.
> > >
> >
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: EARTHQUAKE in NZ and Tsunami's
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> Also the Emergency Management Australia web-site
> at
> 
> http://www.ema.gov.au/fs-community.html
> 
> cites the 1960 tsunami that hit the east coast
> as one that caused significant damage (although
> no details).
> 
I've just been browsing some papers from a 1994 workshop on the
subject.

There had, to that time, been 16 recorded tsunamis affecting the
Australian coastline, of which the 22 May 1960 one (height 1-2m),
which affected the coast between Sydney and Brisbane, was the only 
one that caused significant damage (I haven't been able to ascertain
the nature of the damage, either, but imagine it was probably of the
sort you'd get from a major east coast low - beach erosion, damaged 
ships at moorings etc.). There have been bigger ones in WA, but these
caused minor (or no) damage because of the sparse settlement of the
area. The largest one in the list I saw was listed as 2-6m on 19
August 1977. One on 3 June 1994 is of particular interest; although
it did not cause major damage to any settlement, it did inundate a
car park and picnic area on the western side of North-West Cape, and
may well have resulted in loss of life had it happened during the 
day (it was actually at about 5.30 a.m.).

With one minor exception at Geraldton, all recorded Australian
tsunamis have resulted from earthquakes well away from Australia
(Chile in 1960, Indonesia in 1994). This means some sort of lead time
would be available, although what use a tsunami warning with a couple
of hours' lead time would be, especially as very few people (including,
I suspect, much of the emergency services) would have any idea
how to respond to one, is questionable. The chances of a significant
locally generated tsunami are small, although I'm surprised that there
is no record of one resulting from the 6.8 earthquake just off the
south-east coast of South Australia in May 1899 (which caused severe
damage in places like Robe and Kingston).

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Try amateur radios too - free from interference with more range (frequency 
and distance).
You have to get a licence but it's not hard to get a novice.
Paul G.

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>
>This was touched on briefly last year, but I'd like to bring it up again
>as we roll into our storm(chase) season.  That is, installing CB radios
>into your car!
>
>They're a fantastic tool, and pretty much an essential item for anyone
>who wants to "team up" with other cars and chase.  It'll set you back
>about $150 (including the unit, antenna, mount bracket for antenna etc)
>- but think about the following:
>
>- The number of phone calls you'll cut down on from not having to
>constantly ring other people in your convoy to discuss things.
>- You only need one person to receive a radar update, and it can be
>broadcasted to everyone very easily.
>- You don't need to constantly stop all the time (wasting time and
>money) to talk about what you want to do - you can do it just using the
>CB!
>- You can warn people behind you that you're going to stop soon to pull
>over - useful if you don't want people to accidently rear end you -or-
>- You can use the CB radio and be spaced out (100m per car), so that
>people can ovetake you safely if they wish and you have plenty of notice
>of upcoming hazards (dead kanagaroo on the road, going to stop quickly,
>speed trap ahead etc)
>- It is MUCH more fun!  Instead of having 2 people in the conversation,
>the entire convoy can join in the conversation!
>- It's safer in the sense that you're going to do long driving, and you
>can look out for each other (ie, if some one seems to be drifting too
>much you can tell them etc).  (Could be useful for you Jimmy :-)
>
>It really is extremely useful!  And makes it easier for everyone to
>communicate with each other!  It's a must for any long distance chasing
>- and you'll probably be "left out" on TD2K if you don't have one!
>--
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>(ASWA)
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Yes I would have to agree that being in Amateur Radio does have it's 
advantages, if you are chasing across states it can be very handy 
especially with HF transmission. Although the 2metre band (144MHz) is good 
for line of sight transmissions and also UHF. The equipment can be costly, 
but an all mode mobile transceiver would set you back around $2000 or a 
little more. CB with SSB is also good, but only for stationary 
transmissions as the noise from your starter coil and plugs can be annoying 
while driving, but you can cure this interference pretty easily. You will 
find in America quite a few Chasers are in fact radio HAMS, it's just 
easier having more than one band to play with, considering the distances 
involved.

Had my say.

Andrew Wall
VK5NAJ <---yes this is a novice call


At 06:28 AM 8/30/00 +0000, you wrote:
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>and distance).
>You have to get a licence but it's not hard to get a novice.
>Paul G.
>
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>>Hi all,
>>
>>This was touched on briefly last year, but I'd like to bring it up again
>>as we roll into our storm(chase) season.  That is, installing CB radios
>>into your car!
>>
>>They're a fantastic tool, and pretty much an essential item for anyone
>>who wants to "team up" with other cars and chase.  It'll set you back
>>about $150 (including the unit, antenna, mount bracket for antenna etc)
>>- but think about the following:
>>
>>- The number of phone calls you'll cut down on from not having to
>>constantly ring other people in your convoy to discuss things.
>>- You only need one person to receive a radar update, and it can be
>>broadcasted to everyone very easily.
>>- You don't need to constantly stop all the time (wasting time and
>>money) to talk about what you want to do - you can do it just using the
>>CB!
>>- You can warn people behind you that you're going to stop soon to pull
>>over - useful if you don't want people to accidently rear end you -or-
>>- You can use the CB radio and be spaced out (100m per car), so that
>>people can ovetake you safely if they wish and you have plenty of notice
>>of upcoming hazards (dead kanagaroo on the road, going to stop quickly,
>>speed trap ahead etc)
>>- It is MUCH more fun!  Instead of having 2 people in the conversation,
>>the entire convoy can join in the conversation!
>>- It's safer in the sense that you're going to do long driving, and you
>>can look out for each other (ie, if some one seems to be drifting too
>>much you can tell them etc).  (Could be useful for you Jimmy :-)
>>
>>It really is extremely useful!  And makes it easier for everyone to
>>communicate with each other!  It's a must for any long distance chasing
>>- and you'll probably be "left out" on TD2K if you don't have one!
>>--
>>Anthony Cornelius
>>Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>>(ASWA)
>>(07) 3390 4812
>>14 Kinsella St
>>Belmont, Brisbane
>>QLD, 4153
>>Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
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Hi all?
      Can anyone tell me a bit more about the static on the radio? I 
understand that we can listen to lightning discharges as they happen, But 
every time I go out side to check the sky I get nothing! How far does the 
radio pick up this discharge???

      Ben-MSC


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:50:38 +1000
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Evening all,

Finally got around to developing & scanning the photos I took earlier in
the month of the magnificent contrails which held together most of the
day and then started to shear in the late afternoon.  Unfortunately, low
light levels haven't helped the quality of the scans.  There is a plane
in the last 2 photos causing the 'discontinuity' in the cloud & this has
thrown a shadow.

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/contrails.htm

Jane
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I reckon that that tidying up might just be the precursor to a breakdown
of these westerlies altogether with highs starting to track along more
southern routes...we will know when the first of those 'summery'
southeast changes comes up the south coast of NSW...

Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> The models have advanced the system somewhat to late Friday / Saturday
> morning. I am worried about the extent of rainfall, it suggests a general
> rain event rather then storms. Both NGP and MRF have a ' tidy up ' of
> southern ocean pressure systems for early next week with broad westerlies
> rather than the mess of lows and highs we have recently have.
> 
> Michael
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: stuart lloyd <cgstuey2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
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> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next Saturday storms ? Weather in repeating pattern
> 
> >     Does it look good for New England Tablelands? I'm
> > looking forward to something a little more photogenic
> > than just a few grey skies and odd snow falls here in
> > Armidale.
> >
> >     Stuey.
> > --- Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > > The longer range models are suggesting that northern
> > > inland NSW may be good
> > > for a storm next Saturday. Jet looks good as well.
> > >
> > > It is important to realise that these models aren't
> > > that crash hot 6 days
> > > out, but the weather does seem to be repeating a
> > > pattern lately.
> > >
> > > The suggested scenario for Saturday is almost a
> > > carbon copy of today.
> > >
> > > Worth keeping an eye on.
> > >
> > > Michael Thompson
> > > http://thunder.simplenet.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Not such a record for Seven Hills rainfall, but that's only because we
had a wet March. If we'd had a normal March rainfall it would have been
the second driest in 51 years of record.

Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It was somewhat depressing that when I arrived on Monday morning, I
> thought Sydney's air was cleaner than Brisbane's!!!  No offence
> Sydney-Siders :)
> 
> Media reports have indicated that there have been over 1000 fires across
> SE QLD over the past 10 days, yesterday a house was lost - in what has
> been called the worse start to the fire season since 1994.
> 
> A lot of the area just SW/W/NW of Brisbane is extremely dry - while
> Brisbane has had some precipitation earlier this year from coastal
> shower/rain events - just inland has had very little.  Our neighbour at
> Hiddenvale(Grandchester) at the farm has had his family keeping rainfall
> records to the early 1900's.  He said that according to their records,
> it's been the driest year in 74 years!
> 
> We've had over 2 weeks of strong SW'ly to NW'ly winds, which have been
> very dry (DP's hovering around 0 constantly) - and combine that with the
> low lifes who often light these fires, and you have trouble :(
> 
> Some mid-high level cloud coming through today...
> 
> Anthony Cornelius
> 
> Ben Quinn wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > > worried that if significant rainfall does not occur by late October /
> > > November we could be setting up for a potentially bad bushfire season.
> >
> > Funny you should say that - seems we have had dozens of fires around my
> > local area the last few weeks, and today i was actually in the right place
> > at the right time and managed to get a few pictures
> >
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires2.jpg
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fires.jpg
> >
> > The smoke in the second pic was just awesome - that was quite a nasty
> > (although small) fire
> >
> > And i also got some night shots (with the digi cam) of a fire VERY close to
> > my suburb a few weeks back
> >
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire3.jpg
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire1.jpg
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/ben/fire2.jpg
> >
> > The last two pics are closeups of small areas of grass on fire well away
> > from the main fire
> >
> > *shrugs* Thought people may have been interested - although i can't see
> > myself making a habit of going out and photographing these things - my dad
> > owns a property NW of Brisbane, and i have been up there when he has burnt
> > off some of the paddocks - when the wind got behind a fire one day it moved
> > at a frightening pace, and burning to death is not the way i want to go
> > out... :)
> 
> --
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Hi everyone,
            Experienced a nice storm here just after 19:00 this evening.
Some very impressive lightning strikes, including quite a few decent cg's; 
with quite a good peppering of hail up to 10mm diameter. The main activity 
was just a few kilometres to the south of Bendigo, with a couple of spots of 
red appearing on the radar.
     This system formed at the north end of a line which extended from the 
eastern suburbs of Melbourne, to just beyond Bendigo.

Regards,
Rod Aikman,
Golden Square,
Bendigo, Vic
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hi everyone,
I have just uploaded some more photos from july/august,and even one of a 
fading aurora i observed in july at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~anvils/whats_new.htm


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IDW16V00

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE


NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

Severe Thunderstorm Advice

Issued at 8:55pm on Wednesday the 30th of August 2000 for Northeast 
District.

Radar imagery at 8.30pm indicates that a line of thunderstorms about 50km 
east
of Bendigo may contain some cells capable of producing atleast medium sized 
hail
and damaging winds. The line is likely to progress to lie near Shepparton to
Mansfield over the next 2 hours. West of this line there is no significant
activity.

This advice is valid until midnight tonight and should not be used after 
this
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Hello everyone,

A good friend forwarded this URL to me and it is a 'must see'!

Be patient for images to download (or use Opera browser!) as it is well
worth it - a lighning strike triggered by a plane. Animation adapted from
video and a still image.

Most incredible lightning shot I've seen.

Sel Kerans.

>
>All,
>
>I got this from our Warning Coordination Meteorologist.   This is just
>too AWESOME!
>
>http://lightning.pwr.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/lrg/temp/plane.html
>
>Very interesting.  Note the upward branches on the still image.  
>This
>is the 'leader' stroke which propagates UPWARD.  The bright white
>image in the middle of the animation is the point where the
>'connection' is made; the initiation of the RETURN stroke.
>
>What luck to have a camera there at the time!
>
>Mike Lewis
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2mm of rain here from 7pm to 8pm after 18 degrees today and overcast.

Bussy (NE Victoria)

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Interesting about those boulders, I am wondering just where that may be ?

My understanding is that any funnel shaped estuary or cover will magnify
Tsunamis, the SE Australia coast is rather straight and has only a short
continental shelf. That aside I am sure there are local bays, etc that would
be affected. Broken Bay is one that comes to mind as it has a relatively
wide entrance. I think Sydney Harbours small entrance would protect it.

I think a perfect test for Tsunami would be to take sand drill samples on
the edge of an estuary like Lake Illawarra / Tuggerah Lakes. These lakes
have narrow sand itmas's protecting them from the sea. Any half decent
Tsunami would break through the dunes and cross the itmas into the lake.
 This happened at Lake Illawarra in the 1970's from a cyclone swell, waves
actually breached the dunes 10km north of the entrance and ran into the
swamps that in those days adjoined Lake Illawarra, this is not the infamous
second entrance crap locals tell either, the second entrance theory started
from the channel dredged during WW2 to barge cement tank traps blocks to the
dunes. ). Anyway back on topic, a drill core sample should reveal a yellow
sand layer from any Tsunami, the normal sand on the Lake Edge is grey /
black.

Michael


> Hi Michael,  Unless my memory is serving me badly, and it generally does,
I
> believe I once read about boulders somewhere on the SE NSW  coast that
have
> been displaced up to 1KM inland from the coast by what could only have
been
> a tsunami in the very long ago. I'm curious if the geometry of the
> continental shelf down there is conducive to helping the wave " stand up"
as
> it hits the coast.





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Hi Jane,
yes, sorry everyone/anyone,that report isn't completed yet as I am waiting 
to get the photos back,so hopefully early next week it will be up.


>Got a not found on your cumulus fishing????????


Jane

>hi everyone,
>I have just uploaded some more photos from july/august,and even one of a
>fading aurora i observed in july at
>http://www.crosswinds.net/~anvils/whats_new.htm
>
>T.Middleton.
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>http://www.wildcoastimages.com
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Depends on a number of factors. Your radio, line of sight and time of day.

I easily get static from storms 300km out to sea if I am on the coast, but
normally 150-200km is the range for my radio.

Michael


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> Hi all?
>       Can anyone tell me a bit more about the static on the radio? I
> understand that we can listen to lightning discharges as they happen, But
> every time I go out side to check the sky I get nothing! How far does the
> radio pick up this discharge???
>
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Date: 30 Aug 00 21:33:28 +1000
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Hello Paul!

30 Aug 00 06:28, you wrote to All:

 PG> Try amateur radios too - free from interference with more range
 PG> (frequency and distance). You have to get a licence but it's not hard
 PG> to get a novice. Paul G.

One would suggest both.  CB, particularly UHF CB is good for local comms
between cars and doesn't require a licence so anyone can take part.

Amateur radio is good when more coverage is required.  The VHF and UHF bands
are populated by many underutilised repeaters, which will provide good coverage
up to 100km, and the HF bands can be used for statewide or interstate
communications.  I spent all of last week cruising around Tasmania, but in
constant contact with Melbourne via HF (something you can't do with mobiles
down there  - they don't work in many areas :) ).

On a related note, the Americans are big on storm spotting networks on amateur
radio.  Is there anything similar in Australia?  Is something like this
developed in Melbourne, I'd be interested in taking part.  My station, in
addition to the usual facilities has 18Ah reserve battery power, enough for an
hour or two transmitting on HF (100W SSB), about 3-6 hours on VHF high power
(25W FM) and well over 24 hours at low power (which is all I need for most
repeaters).  I do hope to add more capacity in the future for emergency and
high power use.


Tony, VK3JED

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Hello Andrew!

30 Aug 00 16:24, you wrote to All:

 AW> Yes I would have to agree that being in Amateur Radio does have it's
 AW> advantages, if you are chasing across states it can be very handy
 AW> especially with HF transmission. Although the 2metre band (144MHz) is
 AW> good for line of sight transmissions and also UHF. The equipment can
 AW> be costly, but an all mode mobile transceiver would set you back
 AW> around $2000 or a little more. CB with SSB is also good, but only for

Well, there's a couple of ways one could go.  For a VHF-FM only mobile, a
converted ex commercial rig (e.g. Philips FM 92) can be picked up ready to go
on 2 metres for around $70.  There is good secondhand gear available for under
$500 for VHF.  All mode on VHF is overkill, IMHO, FM and repeaters are all
that's needed.

For HF, you can pick up an Icom IC706 (original model) for around $800
secondhand, which will do HF plus 2m all mode, or many of the late 80's HF rigs
are available on the secondhand market at good prices.  I just bought an Icom
IC-745 HF box for $550 secondhand.  Bit big for most mobiles, but it went
around Tassie with me in the back seat. :-)

 AW> stationary transmissions as the noise from your starter coil and
 AW> plugs
 AW> can be annoying while driving, but you can cure this interference

Depends how good your noise blanker is.  The amateur gear will often be better
in this regard (my Icom totally nukes ignition noise on HF).

 AW> pretty easily. You will find in America quite a few Chasers are in
 AW> fact radio HAMS, it's just easier having more than one band to play
 AW> with, considering the distances involved.

Indeed. :-)

 AW>
 AW> Had my say.
 AW>
 AW> Andrew Wall
 AW> VK5NAJ <---yes this is a novice call

Hehe, well, good enough to get on a few useful bands. :-)

Tony, VK3JED  <-- Nowadays, enough for full band access :)

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Hello Ben!

30 Aug 00 18:26, you wrote to All:

 BJ>       Can anyone tell me a bit more about the static on the radio? I
 BJ> understand that we can listen to lightning discharges as they happen,
 BJ> But every time I go out side to check the sky I get nothing! How far
 BJ> does the radio pick up this discharge???

There are many types of static, but lightning can be readily heard on
frequencies from the AM broadcast band to 10 MHz or higher.  If the storm is
close enough, lightning discharges can be heard at VHF or even UHF frequencies.
If you do hear the static at VHF and UHF (i.e. it interferes with the FM radio
or TV), then you'd better go out chasing, the storm's pretty much on top of
you! (you will be within a few km, and be able to see the lightning and hear
thunder :) ).

You can use your ordinary AM radio to listen into lightning.  AM car radios are
ideal, or at home, string up a good antenna.  Tune to a spot in between
stations.  Normal background noise will be a steady hiss.  Lightning appears as
strong crackling noises, the strength depending on the distance of the storm
and the time of day.

At broadcast frequencies (500 kHz - 1.6 MHz), you will hear storms more readily
during the night, as propagation improves after sunset (the reason being D
layer absorption falls off after sunset, allowing signals to propagate further
at night).

People with amateur or serious shortwave listening antennas will have no
difficulty receiving static discharges from more than 1000km away on
frequencies between 500 kHz and 10 MHz.  In fact, they are likely to interfere
with amateur communications, due to the high energy of the lightning discharges
(I had this problem last week when in Tassie).

An AM car radio can be an effective storm early warning system, as you will
hear the static, even during daytime, before the storm cells are visible.  How
effective you are depends on how good an antenna you erect.  If you want to
know more, look up information on building crystal sets (which will discuss
antenna systems desiogned for insensitive passive receivers) or operation on
the lower amateur HF bands, or SWL sites should have good info too.

My HF mobile stations routinely picks up lightning static from thousands of km
at night, and up to a couple hundred km by day.

Tony, VK3JED

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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Wind Warning for SW WA
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:09:57 +0800
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey all</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice Strong cold front to move thru SW WA 
tonight.....winds have already started gusting to 109km/h at Cape 
Leeuwin....with the front to reach Perth at around midnight 
tonight!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>check out the obs :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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<DIV>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY <BR>WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL 
OFFICE<BR><BR>PRIORITY<BR>FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST<BR><BR>SEVERE WIND 
WARNING<BR>Issued at 8:05 pm WST on Wednesday, 30 August 2000<BR><BR>For the 
Southwest District and western Southern Coastal District, including 
the<BR>communities of Bunbury, Busselton and Albany.<BR><BR>A strong cold front 
was near Cape Leeuwin at 8:00 pm and will move eastwards<BR>across the SW of WA 
overnight.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Wind gusts to 110 kilometers per hour have been 
reported in the area and similar<BR>gusts are expected overnight, with the 
possibility of damage to property.<BR><BR>Thunderstorms and hail are also 
expected.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>The State Emergency Service advises that people 
should secure loose objects and<BR>stay indoors when gales develop. Boat owners 
should ensure that small craft are<BR>securely moored.<BR><BR>The next advice 
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:58:36 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar glitch?
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Hi David,

They're ghost echos.

David Findlay wrote:
> 
> I am just looking at the broadscale radar in Brisbane, and there is a very
> long blue line going along the top. Is this a glitch in the radar?
> 
> David Findlay
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Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
14 Kinsella St
Belmont, Brisbane
QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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