Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:56:12 +1000
From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi all,

I'm begining to find the regular sloppyness of the BoMs forecasts a bit
of a concern! This was in the forecast presented for Illawarra this
afternoon...

> Friday   
> Fine, mostly sunny. War.  Warm.  Light to moderate southeast to northeast winds.

War?? What a prediciton to make! Maybe The Cloud is going to finally
meet it's match and have to fight out who is the rightful bearer of no
rain in the Illawarra right here on our doorstep! Could be nasty.

Andrew.

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:10:33 -0600
From: Lyle Pakula <lyle at echidna.atmos.colostate.edu>
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G'day Les,

It must have been a different commentator for sure then - which channel
do you get? I get one of the NBC's but i'm not sure which one. I think
there are 3 (???). Oh well. I still get to see the races even though i
know the results from the web :) 

Can i ask you something maybe a bit personal? It seams that Americans
place little priority into the olympics. I mean, obviously the atheletes
do but i have ben to some sports bars the last few nights and, on one
particular night, they had ESPN on with a competition on seeing how far
dogs could jump into water and on the other 10 TV's they had Monday
ngiht football. So i asked the guy if he would switch it to the olympics
- he said people wern't interested but he would change the sole, dog tv
to the olympics. 

Anyway, it seams that the public takes it for granted that they will be
the best sporting nation, so there is no point in watching it. Obviously
this is a *mass* generalisation and i know many people who do watch it
but equally many who don't like it because it's not
football/hockey/baseball/basketball. Maybe it's where i'm living??
Though it's great to hear that there are people enthusiastic about it -
fly that flag high les :)

uru



"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> 
> Lyle wrote:
> 
> > Hi Les,
> >
> > sorry to disagree with you here but the American media is totally
> > American biased. During the opening ceremonies, the only two countries
> > they concentrated on where the USA and Australia - why Australia?
> > Because the crowd goes nuts and that shows people having a good time
> > which leads to better ratings. How happy where the two commentators when
> > they thought the flame cauldron stalled at the bottom of the waterfall -
> > is that ok? Or how they refered to it as a flamming martini totally
> > undermining the artistic efforts of a country. Or, the follwing day,
> 
> Hummmm..........  Well, Lyle, all I can do is go by my experience, what I
> saw and heard and continue to see and hear.  I too am sorry you disagreed
> and that your experience was not mine.  I must stand by what I said.  There
> was no "glee" when the cauldron stalled in those I was listening to.  In
> fact, I did not even detect that there was a problem or that they
> recognized it.  "A flaming martini"....Obviously we were not watching and
> hearing the same commentators!!  No one made any comment to that affect or
> anywhere near that.  How crude could they get!!   Sorry, I just did not
> hear what you heard.  Moreover, the commentators spoke about each countries
> athletes as they marched in.  There was no avoidance of any other country,
> no bias. But yes, they did expand on Australia a little more and favorably
> so.  I found the coverage to be balanced and very, very favorable to
> Australia all around.  It continues to be such.  Believe me, had I heard or
> seen anything else I would feel as you do.  But happily I did not and have
> not.
> 
> Had I heard or seen or read what you did, I would be equally disturbed and
> upset.  But that was not what I heard or saw.  I am sorry that your
> experience has not been mine, mate.  But I was pleased and continue to be
> so.
> 
> Les
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Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Storm Weather Ahead...
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:59:13 +1100
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Hi Everyone,
                  Whichever model you go by, it looks like we'll have some
interesting thunderstorm weather ahead for the eastern states.  The EC has
the most dramatic situation, predicting a  deep low to form south of
Adelaide on Wednesday night with an upper cold pool and thicknesses down to
the 530's.  This would suggest excellent thunderstorm weather for Victoria
and eastern Victoria (and may be a repeat of September 29, 1996) followed by
snowfalls along the ranges in the south.  Meanwhile, both GASP and NGP have
a similar situation in terms of no significant upper cold pools, instead
having a low forming through Victoria with a belt of high pressure to the
south.  NGP predicts an area of moderate to high rainfall through Victoria
and southern NSW on both Tuesday and Wednesday as a couple of upper troughs
move through and GASP agrees, showing a significant upper trough with the
low on Tuesday and some quite hot and humid air moving into the east of NSW.
EC also has an interesting situation for Monday, although not quite as
dramatic as its prediction for Wednesday/Thursday.  I think, whichever
situation eventuates, we'll see some impressive thunderstorms over the next
few days.

Paul G.
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From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Ok, I'll toss the pigeon in.  I'm not intoTV sports (unless perhaps there is
an equestrian event showing at the time I have time to watch it).  I'll
admit that I've always watched quite a lot of the Olympics, but for the same
reason that I also watch English soccer & F1 occasionally - for the weather
in other parts of the world at the top of the screen!

I can watch Sydney weather on the webcams & radar..........

Jane
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<snip>

Anyway, it seams that the public takes it for granted that they will be
the best sporting nation, so there is no point in watching it. Obviously
this is a *mass* generalisation and i know many people who do watch it
but equally many who don't like it because it's not
football/hockey/baseball/basketball. Maybe it's where i'm living??
Though it's great to hear that there are people enthusiastic about it -
fly that flag high les :)

uru

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> Hi all,

<much snipped>

>Maybe The Cloud is

Everybody,

You can have some our cloud if you want, problem is there isn't much coming
out of it ((:

Have I missed something about "the cloud" here.... is it the 300km
stormchase relay or something, surprised the Gold Coast hasn't thrown
anything up....

Les (UK)


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Les,

You can read the early chapters on The Cloud at 
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/humour.htm

More to come later <g>

Jane
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ASWA - Victoria
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> Hi all,

<much snipped>

>Maybe The Cloud is

Everybody,

You can have some our cloud if you want, problem is there isn't much coming
out of it ((:

Have I missed something about "the cloud" here.... is it the 300km
stormchase relay or something, surprised the Gold Coast hasn't thrown
anything up....

Les (UK)


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From: "Ben Tichborne" <tich at netaccess.co.nz>
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 After weeks of dampness, the gold ol' Canterbury spring norwester has
sprung into action this week, with several days of temperatures reaching
around 20 C. Good for drying the ground made muddy from weeks of easterly
and southerly rain. A bit cooler (13 C max) yesterday after a weak cold
front crossed over the night before, but should be back to blamy temps
today.

 Early next week looks interesting though. The models suggest a couple of
cold southerly outbreaks, though they should be short-lived. A depression,
however, seems likely to form to the northwest of the North Island, and may
give some interesting weather there about Tuseday.

Ben
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:32:38 +1000
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Hi Shaun,

ASWA members now have access to AU-wide lightning tracker courtesy of
TWC.

Anthony Cornelius

Shaun Whelan wrote:
> 
>      Are there any lightning trackers available for SE NSW and if so where
> can I find them? One like they have for SE QLD.
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:38:04 +1000
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Hi Paul and all,

I think that one thing that is (and has been lacking recently) over the
eastern states, is a nice moist layer in the PBL.  The coastal areas are
getting lovely seabreezes in the afternoon and evenings, and it makes
the DP go up substantially if you have a NW'ly for most of the day.  But
the low level moist layer is very thin!  Where as if we had
geostrophic/gradient NE'lies - we'd see a higher depth in the moist
layer, as these winds are often present in the sfc-900mb level, vs
seabreezes that are present in the bottom 10mb of the atmosphere.

That was our main problem when we had a few troughs/fronts wander
through a few weeks ago - moist layer was too thin, so as a surface
parcel ascended, it mixed with the air aloft and dried out.  Hence
maximum parcel potential was not reached (by far!)

Now - if we had a nice high in the Tasman, pushing an E'ly over 25S on
the Coral Sea, swinging to the NE over us, feeding into an inland heat
trough, with another trough/frontal system moving through the southern
states 'dragging' the heat trough through - we'd be in business :-)

Risk/chance of TS on the SE QLD border ranges again today...

AC

Paul Graham wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
>            Myself and Dave Croan left around lunch time for the storm chase
> that was to turn into another bust chase.  But it was interesting to note
> the change in moisture content of the air.  When we set out, there was  a
> distinctive moisture haze around.  We arrived at Singleton around 3pm and
> Cu's were still building to the south but they were very much limited in
> height, while to the north, large Cb's were building.  We noticed that the
> air seemed to dry out also but still noticed the moisture haze to the east.
> So it would seem that there was some sort of dry line.  In fact, Mark
> mentioned something about a dry line when I was speaking to him on the
> phone.  From what I have read of US descriptions, this situation seems to
> match a dry line scenario, particularly in terms of the change in moisture
> and the change in cloud height that we noticed.
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: War? The Cloud??
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:14:18 +1000
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They definately do not proof read, it is something I pick up on several
times a month. I have refrained from comment before simply because my E
Mails themselves are full of typo's, but then again I'm not an official
government publication.

Michael

> Hi all,
>
> I'm begining to find the regular sloppyness of the BoMs forecasts a bit
> of a concern! This was in the forecast presented for Illawarra this
> afternoon...
>
> > Friday
> > Fine, mostly sunny. War.  Warm.  Light to moderate southeast to
northeast winds.
>
> War?? What a prediciton to make! Maybe The Cloud is going to finally
> meet it's match and have to fight out who is the rightful bearer of no
> rain in the Illawarra right here on our doorstep! Could be nasty.
>
> Andrew.
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Foggy in Karratha this morning
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:44:47 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Karratha.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How often do you get fog? I am under the impression 
that fog is a low incident occurrence in your area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards Clyve Herbert Leopold Vic.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A href="mailto:karrathaweather at wn.com.au" 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Foggy in Karratha this 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey all</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heavy fog in Karratha rolled in this morning from 
  the ENE just before sunrise this morning. :)</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are some pics I took this morning at TV 
  hill and Hearson's Cove I took at 6:30am - 7:30am. (yes i'm suffering SDS :( 
  )</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Currently at 3pm its VERY humid 27/21 70% RH with 
  a N'ly wind.&nbsp; The max was only 28.4C today at 10:16am due to the 
  seabreeze coming in very early.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also the first thundery showers in the Pilbara 
  developed yesterday with associated with an upper level trough with Telfer 
  receiving 1mm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From a very humid Karratha W.A</FONT></DIV>
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Michael.
Early this week the forecast issued for the Sydney area (from Olympic
special services) was for patches of showers!?I haven't heard that one
before. Clyve H
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> They definately do not proof read, it is something I pick up on several
> times a month. I have refrained from comment before simply because my E
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> government publication.
>
> Michael
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm begining to find the regular sloppyness of the BoMs forecasts a bit
> > of a concern! This was in the forecast presented for Illawarra this
> > afternoon...
> >
> > > Friday
> > > Fine, mostly sunny. War.  Warm.  Light to moderate southeast to
> northeast winds.
> >
> > War?? What a prediciton to make! Maybe The Cloud is going to finally
> > meet it's match and have to fight out who is the rightful bearer of no
> > rain in the Illawarra right here on our doorstep! Could be nasty.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Miskelly
> > Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW
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Hi Les,

Well the Gold Coast yesterday was 0/8 as it was the day before, and as it is
today, and apparently shall now be for ever and ever, Amen.

If you see 'The Cloud' please ensure that it at least has a visitor's visa
for S.E. Qld, and implore it to visit, preferably before Xmas.

We now have a new TV ad...  Queensland; beautifull one year, drought
stricken the next.  Holiday makers from Victoria are being asked to BYOW,
and sales of green paint spray cans have gone through the roof as desperate
home owners resort to any means by which to relive days gone by...

John.
>snip
Everybody,

You can have some our cloud if you want, problem is there isn't much coming
out of it ((:

Have I missed something about "the cloud" here.... is it the 300km
stormchase relay or something, surprised the Gold Coast hasn't thrown
anything up....

Les (UK)

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From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
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> G'day Les,

G'day Lyle:
 
> It must have been a different commentator for sure then - which channel
> do you get? I get one of the NBC's but i'm not sure which one. I think
> there are 3 (???). Oh well. I still get to see the races even though I
> know the results from the web :) 

Yes, I think you have it.  That must be the difference.  Yes, I was
watching one of the NBC channels.  One is the network NBC, one is MSNBC and
the other is CNBC.  But I can not tell you which one I was watching. 
However, I would normally expect they would use the same commentators (same
audio and video feed) on all three channels for the opening ceremonies but
because of the difference in what we heard, that may not be true.  One of
these three channels is for individual competition (NBC?), one is for team
competition (CNBC?) and one for the less well known Olympic sports
(MSNBC?). 

> Can I ask you something maybe a bit personal? It seams that Americans
> place little priority into the olympics. I mean, obviously the athletes
> do but I have ben to some sports bars the last few nights and, on one
> particular night, they had ESPN on with a competition on seeing how far
> dogs could jump into water and on the other 10 TV's they had Monday
> ngiht football. So I asked the guy if he would switch it to the olympics
> - he said people wern't interested but he would change the sole, dog tv
> to the olympics. 
> 

Dogs!!!  What in the world??!  Hey, don't misunderstand, I love dogs too
but doing TV on this at the expense of the Olympics!!???

> Anyway, it seams that the public takes it for granted that they will be
> the best sporting nation, so there is no point in watching it. Obviously
> this is a *mass* generalisation and I know many people who do watch it
> but equally many who don't like it because it's not
> football/hockey/baseball/basketball. Maybe it's where i'm living??
> Though it's great to hear that there are people enthusiastic about it -
> fly that flag high les :)

I don't believe that is the assumption or that is the problem.  We have all
seen many many examples of the inferiority of American sportsman.  But, to
tell you the truth, I have been rather mystified as to why more Americans
are not into the Olympics.  Obviously, NBC did not anticipate this
relatively low rating (~14.5% to ~23% of the households have been
watching).  The only reason I can see may be the time difference.  Most
already know the outcome of the races if they listen to the news or sports.
 So, the time delayed televised races themselves are almost anticlimactic. 
But not to me.  Myself and family are very much into the Olympics, as with
pervious years.  And in previous years there has been much more interest in
both winter and summer Olympics nationwide.  These are exciting games to
us.  Frankly, I have cheered nearly all athletes and felt their emotions. 
It is great to see the American's win, especially if they are genuinely
nice people.  To be honest, I frequently have tears in my eyes to see the
dreams of some come true and the failures of others.  But it is great to
see the Aussies win as well as others.  What really adds to these games is
the personal view and the personal portraits that NBC has given via short
segments on the individual athletes.  The athletes chosen are typically the
top three or four competitors in each event but not always.   If you have
noticed, they have emphasized and featured those athletes from Australia,
Russia, China, Ukraine, and Romania, as well as Americans.  They have also
given portraits of athletes who have no chance to win.  A couple of days
ago they gave one of these portraits on the Aussie who donated the gold for
the gold medals.  They interviewed him and visited him in and around his
mine.  They gave the history of Aussie gold mines.  But a common aspect of
all of these is that they develop the personality of the real person,
his/her family, his/her dreams, and emotions.  They are designed to show
the humanity of these athletes and are designed to show them in a good
light.  This makes each race far more than just a race of numbers but a
race of real down to earth people.

Now, I am sorry to have taken up so much bandwidth on this far off-topic
discussion.  I will say no more about this on-line.  I will be glad to talk
about it off line.

Les

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Wahoo,...

I do belive we have an Anvil.  It might be weak, fibrous and largely cutoff
from the original convection, but it is still nevertheless definitely an
Anvil, sitting over Baudesert/Boonah area.  Seems to be some very good upper
level winds with lots of shear, it has streched out over 30km's or so in
about 20 mins from a Cu.

But is it 'The Cloud'... ?? I don't think so.

John.

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Hi Kevin,

Recently in some of the aviation news groups there has been a couple of
large threads about a situation similar to this.

The connection may not seem to obvious at the start (I'm not real good at
explaining things), but, when fighter jets approach the speed of sound, in
good conditions, they form a large cloud around the sonic wedge the aircraft
forms.  Most of the times that photo's of this are taken there is relatively
high humidity, but not 100%.  A similar phenomenon occurs when these jets do
high g manoeuvres.  Clouds of condensation occur above the wings and around
areas of sudden pressure changes on the aircraft.  On the F/A-18's that
Australia use's, these clouds mostly occur where the wing meets the
fuselage, usually a long (approx 2-3 meters) streamer of condensation.

I think, but don't quote me  as I am by no means an expert on this, that the
condensation funnels of tornado's indicate a very dramatic pressure change
at the funnel.  Usually, the relative humidity around these systems would be
high, but I don't think it would have to be 100%.

Chris

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> Hi every1,
>
> While musing one evening it occurred to me that every time I'd heard
> tornadoes described by experts they mentioned the line "...condensation
> funnel". This made me wonder whether:
>
> (a) all tornadoes begin (or have a middle or end) as condensation funnels,
> and
>
> (b) that means that the local relative humidity would have to be 100%
>
> The second part got me wondering whether there had been any research into
> sudden increases in local RH prior to tornadogenesis and if it was a
> worthwhile area of investigation...
>
> Any thoughts?
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
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Anthony and Ben have been chasing, they were at Beaudesert watching the cell
which went pink on radar for 2 frames. Anthony heard thunder. It looks to be the
only cell which has shot up in SE QLD NE NSW. Ben has digi cam pic's that will
be online tonight, he said it had some nice hard updraughts on it before it
died.

Matt Smith

John Woodbridge wrote:

> Wahoo,...
>
> I do belive we have an Anvil.  It might be weak, fibrous and largely cutoff
> from the original convection, but it is still nevertheless definitely an
> Anvil, sitting over Baudesert/Boonah area.  Seems to be some very good upper
> level winds with lots of shear, it has streched out over 30km's or so in
> about 20 mins from a Cu.
>
> But is it 'The Cloud'... ?? I don't think so.
>
> John.
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Hector (as in 'Hector is active over the Tiwi Islands')...
Can anyone tell me where this description originated? What special
characteristics do these storms have that others don't have (apart from
being in the tropics and therefore being potentially greater in vertical
extent)?
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Keith,

Information on Hector (distantly related to 'The Cloud') can be found at
http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/meso/Project/research/index.htm
as well as in Australian Geographic magazine No 48 (Oct - Dec 1997) which can
still be found in Aust Geographic shops if you hunt hard enough.

According to Jason and his colleagues at the NT BoM, Hector was named during
the war years

"Hector is the name given to the thunderstorm that occurs regularly over the
Tiwi islands to the north of Darwin during the 'buildup', monsoon break
periods, and the 'build down' from the Wet season. The storm occurs with such
regularity (65 - 90% of days) that World War II RAAF pilots returning to
Darwin used its radar signal as a navigational aid. It was during this time
that the name 'Hector' became commonly used by locals, though the origins of
the name are uncertain. One possibility is that the name derived from the
rhyming slang, 'Hector the Convector'. "

The website makes for some pretty fascinating reading, and the article in the
Aust Geographic is well worth the hunt.

Jane
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
--------------------------------

Keith Barnett wrote:

> Hector (as in 'Hector is active over the Tiwi Islands')...
> Can anyone tell me where this description originated? What special
> characteristics do these storms have that others don't have (apart from
> being in the tropics and therefore being potentially greater in vertical
> extent)?
>

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Howdy All,

Snooping around the traps tonight & found this site which has weather
screensavers on it.....
http://computingcentral.com/guide/weather/default.asp
Cya's
John


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As Paul Graham mentioned earlier the early part of next week could be very
interesting.

All the models are developing a lovely trough system, and most have a closed
low forming over SE Australia, although they do vary on its position. The
only thing I am fussed on is the jet streams, supercells may be off the
menu.

We should get some good storms.

Interesting the AVN and NGP are playing for storms up as far as the
Illawarra late Sunday.

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Hi Jane, everyone

I couldn't find any pictures of Hector on that site - does anywhere know
where i can find some? (on the net)

Surely Paul Mossman would have some (?)


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> Keith,
>
> Information on Hector (distantly related to 'The Cloud') can be found at
> http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/meso/Project/research/index.htm
> as well as in Australian Geographic magazine No 48 (Oct - Dec 1997) which
can
> still be found in Aust Geographic shops if you hunt hard enough.
>
> According to Jason and his colleagues at the NT BoM, Hector was named
during
> the war years
>
> "Hector is the name given to the thunderstorm that occurs regularly over
the
> Tiwi islands to the north of Darwin during the 'buildup', monsoon break
> periods, and the 'build down' from the Wet season. The storm occurs with
such
> regularity (65 - 90% of days) that World War II RAAF pilots returning to
> Darwin used its radar signal as a navigational aid. It was during this
time
> that the name 'Hector' became commonly used by locals, though the origins
of
> the name are uncertain. One possibility is that the name derived from the
> rhyming slang, 'Hector the Convector'. "
>
> The website makes for some pretty fascinating reading, and the article in
the
> Aust Geographic is well worth the hunt.
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
>
> Keith Barnett wrote:
>
> > Hector (as in 'Hector is active over the Tiwi Islands')...
> > Can anyone tell me where this description originated? What special
> > characteristics do these storms have that others don't have (apart from
> > being in the tropics and therefore being potentially greater in vertical
> > extent)?
> >
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Hi all!

Ben and I ducked down to the border ranges for a chase/potter around - a
few brief, yet nice cells formed!  A quick report and some piccies are
available at:

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/storm-chasing/2000/22-09/index.html

Tomorrow looks potentially better then today!  I'll be going to the NE
NSW BBQ tomorrow, so will be hoping most of the action is there though! 
(Sorry to the QLD'ers for being a traitor for the day!)
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
(ASWA)
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Belmont, Brisbane
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Hi John, Matt, everyone

Today actually turned out fairly well - while the activity was isolated, it
was good to get out and chase on the border ranges for the first time this
season (close enough to storm season now).  Anthony will be posting the URL
for his chase report on our chase later tonight

Jason Rainforest also took these pictures from southern Brisbane during the
day

http://bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/lem/22-09-200002.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/lem/22-09-200003.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/pictures/lem/22-09-200004.jpg
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>
> Anthony and Ben have been chasing, they were at Beaudesert watching the
cell
> which went pink on radar for 2 frames. Anthony heard thunder. It looks to
be the
> only cell which has shot up in SE QLD NE NSW. Ben has digi cam pic's that
will
> be online tonight, he said it had some nice hard updraughts on it before
it
> died.
>
> Matt Smith
>
> John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> > Wahoo,...
> >
> > I do belive we have an Anvil.  It might be weak, fibrous and largely
cutoff
> > from the original convection, but it is still nevertheless definitely an
> > Anvil, sitting over Baudesert/Boonah area.  Seems to be some very good
upper
> > level winds with lots of shear, it has streched out over 30km's or so in
> > about 20 mins from a Cu.
> >
> > But is it 'The Cloud'... ?? I don't think so.
> >
> > John.
> >
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From: "Phil Smith" <drdisk at hktrade.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: War? The Cloud??
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:47:36 +0800
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I thought we had The Cloud over here for a visit today but it was only a
condensation trail.
Winter Monsoon is blowing hard here this evening which means blue sky from
one horizon to the other and the tropical sun blazing down unblinkingly with
no breaks at all.
So uninspiring is the weather that our local weather forum at
http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/1.html hasn't had a decent
weather-related posting for days.

Phil
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, 22 September 2000 06:21
Subject: RE: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: War? The Cloud??


> Les,
>
> You can read the early chapters on The Cloud at
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/humour.htm
>
> More to come later <g>
>
> Jane
> ---------------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> ---------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Les
> Sent: Friday, 22 September 2000 6:10
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: War? The Cloud??
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Miskelly" <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie Weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:56 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: War? The Cloud??
>
>
> > Hi all,
>
> <much snipped>
>
> >Maybe The Cloud is
>
> Everybody,
>
> You can have some our cloud if you want, problem is there isn't much
coming
> out of it ((:
>
> Have I missed something about "the cloud" here.... is it the 300km
> stormchase relay or something, surprised the Gold Coast hasn't thrown
> anything up....
>
> Les (UK)
>
>
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From: "Phil Smith" <drdisk at hktrade.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: A thunderstorm named...
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:51:48 +0800
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We learned about "the thunderstorm named "Hector"" in primary school around
1954.  I had totally forgotten until I saw this posting.
Phil
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----- Original Message -----
From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, 22 September 2000 18:40
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A thunderstorm named...


> Keith,
>
> Information on Hector (distantly related to 'The Cloud') can be found at
> http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/meso/Project/research/index.htm
> as well as in Australian Geographic magazine No 48 (Oct - Dec 1997) which
can
> still be found in Aust Geographic shops if you hunt hard enough.
>
> According to Jason and his colleagues at the NT BoM, Hector was named
during
> the war years
>
> "Hector is the name given to the thunderstorm that occurs regularly over
the
> Tiwi islands to the north of Darwin during the 'buildup', monsoon break
> periods, and the 'build down' from the Wet season. The storm occurs with
such
> regularity (65 - 90% of days) that World War II RAAF pilots returning to
> Darwin used its radar signal as a navigational aid. It was during this
time
> that the name 'Hector' became commonly used by locals, though the origins
of
> the name are uncertain. One possibility is that the name derived from the
> rhyming slang, 'Hector the Convector'. "
>
> The website makes for some pretty fascinating reading, and the article in
the
> Aust Geographic is well worth the hunt.
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
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>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
>
> Keith Barnett wrote:
>
> > Hector (as in 'Hector is active over the Tiwi Islands')...
> > Can anyone tell me where this description originated? What special
> > characteristics do these storms have that others don't have (apart from
> > being in the tropics and therefore being potentially greater in vertical
> > extent)?
> >
>
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