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Hey all,

%snip%

One explanation has been suggested to be ice falling off planes, this has 
actually been suggested the chase in a few times as witnesses had
reported planes in the area at the time of the ice fall.  These falls
generally seem to be around 0.5 to 1kg in weight.

%snip%

This may sound gross, but I have heard of jets dumping their "storage of 
urine" from onboard toilets and this freezing and hitting the ground. Not 
sure how much truth is in it, but wouldn't like to have *that* falling 
through my roof during dinner.


Scotch on the rocks anyone?

Simon
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>
> This may sound gross, but I have heard of jets dumping their "storage of
> urine" from onboard toilets and this freezing and hitting the ground. Not
> sure how much truth is in it, but wouldn't like to have *that* falling
> through my roof during dinner.

Quite a lot of truth in this - a few reports of large blocks of ice going
through roofs here in the UK shortly after aircraft have gone by....

Les (UK)

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Don's comments.
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>I don't believe that questioning (a) the carelessness of presentation of
>
..
..
>Anyway, that's just an opinion.
>
>cheers,
>Don White

Don,

First I have to say that this is all my own personal views, and reflects in
no way Bureau policy..

You touch on many issues. I only want to make a couple of points. Firstly,
many in the Bureau (as in all large organisations) would agree with some of
your points, but on many issues there are no clear right or wrong answers.
In many instances a compromise must be forged between two totally
incompatible outcomes. The classic is radar images. From an economic
rationalist point of view these should be avaliable only on a cost recovery
(or profit basis), but to do so would limit their application and value to
the Australian society as a whole. Take the "poor farmer". One line of logic
is that if the radar data enables him to make more money (or save money)
then he should pay for the service. At the same time their is the argument
that this is a public service which should be provided on a free and
equitable basis, and to do so benefits society and the economy as a whole.

Hence the "no logic" compromise.. This compromise is criticised by people
like yourself who expect more for free, and equally (validly) critised by
(other) private companies/individuals who claim this service should be fully
charged, and to do otherwise is to undercut their profitability.

To tell the truth, I do not know where the public/private split for weather
service provision will end, but the stakes are very high - neither do I know
how this split should occur. There are many issue here, including the
reliance of Australia's weather forecasting on the good (public will) of
foreign countries - eg the Japanese GMS (satellite), the desire of many
private companies to take on the profitable services while ignoring the
unprofitable services (eg forecasting for capital cities versus for rural
centres), and the absence of a forecaster accreditation system in Australia.

I stand by my comment on bagging, because the criticism level at the Bureau
and its forecasts is unequalled. 

Cheers,

David.
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Hi All,

And as if 38C on Saturday wasn't bad enough, Sunday was a real shocker.  Not
quite as hot at around 36C, but with a howling Westerly and humidity way
down into single figures.  And of course, more bushfire madness.  For once I
am actually looking forward to the SE change!

John.

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Hi John and all,

The Brisbane AP had a slightly unusual max yesterday - it hovered around
27C most of the day, with the exception of later on in the afternoon as
the horrid W'ly slowly pushed out the seabreeze.  Here's a listing of
obs (I only did them every 20mins, but it shows the picture).

1420 27.0/19.5 63%  N    at  22km/h
1440 27.4/19.4 61%  NNE  at  22km/h
1500 27.8/18.7 57%  NNE  at  31km/h
1520 28.0/19.1 58%  NE   at  17km/h
1540 33.4/-1.9 10%  NE   at  6km/h
1600 33.6/-1.9 10%  WSW  at  22km/h
1620 32.9/-3.0  9%  WSW  at  30km/h

You can see the onset of the W'ly came through just after 1530 (the obs
I have still has a DP of 17C  at  1530 for the AP).  A weak NE'ly though at
the times of the obs, my guess is that at the time this was taken, the
seabreeze had one last little gust before the W'ly took over.  The W'ly
came through here at around 12:30pm - we live 7-8km from the ocean, and
the AP obs is around 1km from the ocean.  So it did advance very slowly
across the bayside suburbs!  But you felt it, it was warm and muggy, and
then hot and baking.  The AP peaked at 33.8C on the 10mins obs at 1550. 
Did it get any higher Blair?  If so, it yesterday was not the 1st of
Oct, we would have had a new AP Sept record!

However, I think the most interesting observation yesterday were the
DP's near Oakey - with 30C + DP's in a W'ly <g>  No doubt an error.

AC

John Woodbridge wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> And as if 38C on Saturday wasn't bad enough, Sunday was a real shocker.  Not
> quite as hot at around 36C, but with a howling Westerly and humidity way
> down into single figures.  And of course, more bushfire madness.  For once I
> am actually looking forward to the SE change!
> 
> John.
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Hi People

I was way up north of Vic for the weekend, in NSW, a place called Tarcutta, 
the weather was well same as here in ballarat, and I had shorts on thinking, 
yup going north, going to be warmer, well I was wrong, it's a long way from 
here. Driving home sunday, encounted some good ol' cold air cells, with 
heavy bursts or windy rain and winny hail, nothing spectatular, just kept on 
going at 110km/h for home.

Got to Melb, same thing nice line of cold air cells and yet another 5 second 
downpour. Well winter is back but summer is for the weekend, last I hear 28+ 
on the cards for the w/end

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Hi Anthony,

Yes, interesting how slowly the Westerly progressed, given that it was
already strong at Mt. Crosby at 9:00am and howling by lunchtime, I estimate
to 70kph.  Winds on Saturday were NW all day, but not strong at all, just a
breeze which may help explain the 38C.

Do we know if any records were set locally on Saturday, I believe Amberley
recorded 37C?

John.
>snip

Hi John and all,

The Brisbane AP had a slightly unusual max yesterday - it hovered around
27C most of the day, with the exception of later on in the afternoon as
the horrid W'ly slowly pushed out the seabreeze.  Here's a listing of
obs (I only did them every 20mins, but it shows the picture).

1420 27.0/19.5 63%  N    at  22km/h
1440 27.4/19.4 61%  NNE  at  22km/h
1500 27.8/18.7 57%  NNE  at  31km/h
1520 28.0/19.1 58%  NE   at  17km/h
1540 33.4/-1.9 10%  NE   at  6km/h
1600 33.6/-1.9 10%  WSW  at  22km/h
1620 32.9/-3.0  9%  WSW  at  30km/h

You can see the onset of the W'ly came through just after 1530 (the obs
I have still has a DP of 17C  at  1530 for the AP).  A weak NE'ly though at
the times of the obs, my guess is that at the time this was taken, the
seabreeze had one last little gust before the W'ly took over.  The W'ly
came through here at around 12:30pm - we live 7-8km from the ocean, and
the AP obs is around 1km from the ocean.  So it did advance very slowly
across the bayside suburbs!  But you felt it, it was warm and muggy, and
then hot and baking.  The AP peaked at 33.8C on the 10mins obs at 1550.
Did it get any higher Blair?  If so, it yesterday was not the 1st of
Oct, we would have had a new AP Sept record!

However, I think the most interesting observation yesterday were the
DP's near Oakey - with 30C + DP's in a W'ly <g>  No doubt an error.

AC

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Come join me in Centrelink and then you will know what criticism is all
about !!!. We even get the blame for the stuff-ups caused by companies doing
our outsourced work.

Sorry David, but the comments about forecasts are valid, I can understand
why you feel the need to defend, I've had 11 years of the same, but it is
2000 and people question things far more then ever before.

Michael



> I stand by my comment on bagging, because the criticism level at the
Bureau
> and its forecasts is unequalled.
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You need to get to the other side of the great divide to change the weather,
9 times out of 10 the weather at place like Tarcutta would be closer to
Melbourne's then Sydney's. Here in the Illawarra Saturday was about 23C with
a NE seabreeze, yesterday was similar temperature but a gale force NW/ W
wind and RL of around 10%. Did see some glaciating cloud way back to the
west late in the day.

The rate of evaporation from yesterday will quickly undo the rainfall of
earlier in the week.

Michael

>
> I was way up north of Vic for the weekend, in NSW, a place called
Tarcutta,
> the weather was well same as here in ballarat, and I had shorts on
thinking,
> yup going north, going to be warmer, well I was wrong, it's a long way
from
> here. Driving home sunday, encounted some good ol' cold air cells, with
> heavy bursts or windy rain and winny hail, nothing spectatular, just kept
on
> going at 110km/h for home.
>
> Got to Melb, same thing nice line of cold air cells and yet another 5
second
> downpour. Well winter is back but summer is for the weekend, last I hear
28+
> on the cards for the w/end
>



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Hi All.

Here is the final update of the astrometeorological forecasts for the
Sydney Olympics.

Summary Table (may be a bit mangled by the email process).
______________________________________________________________
| RESULTS        | Ken      | Anon     | Carolyn  | Ken      |
| SUMMARY        | Ring     |          | Egan     | Poane    |
______________________________________________________________
| TOTALS:        | 41       | 13       | 47       |  4       |
| Of Possible:   | 85       | 35       | 90       | 15       |
| Of Realistic:  | 68       | 28       | 72       | 12       |
______________________________________________________________
| Percent:       | 48.24    | 37.14    | 52.22    | 26.67    |
| Adjusted:      | 60.29    | 46.43    | 65.28    | 33.33    |
______________________________________________________________

The daily forecasts, observations, etc., and the above results table are
inconclusive.

What it all shows is that the Astrometeorological methods used by Carolyn
Egan and Ken Ring have the most potential, but clearly need more
refinement. Another thing revealed is that there needs to be more work done
by the astrometeorologists concerned in the area of developing more
consistant methods of writing their forecasts so that evaluation of
accuracy is easier.

Also, some terms used are quite vague, e.g. 'fine' in meteorological terms
simply means absence of significant precipitation, i.e. no rain, hail or
snow, with no indication of other conditions, so it could be fine and
freezing or fine and 40C. 'Breezy' could be defined as anything from
variable light breezes around 4 knots to near gale force winds of 27 knots
with higher gusts.

Of course, our conventional weather forecasters also use vague terms like
'fine' from time to time, which may indicate that they do not have much of
an idea what the weather will do.

You can see the completed page at:
http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/Olympics.html, which has full details of
all forecasts submitted, Chris Turner's entertaining and informative daily
updates, selected daily observations from the Australian Bureau of
Meteorology, Sydney, brief daily forecast and BoM summaries with my own
(possibly inadequate) ratings of each day, and the summary table above,
with all astrometeorological charts and some weather term details.

This page will remain at the current URL for the next few weeks, but will
need to be relocated to the archive server when our Australian cyclone
season gets under way. I will notify when this move happens.

Regards,
Carl.


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Hi S G,

Could you state who you are please? Makes it difficult for us to respond to 
your e-mails. There are quite a few people on the list who have all given 
their names and contribute.

Weather here in Schofields is fine, cool to mild. Some cirrus - zilch 
chance of storms.


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> 
> Anyone who has been to the Olympics will know that on leaving Olympic Park -
> especially in the evening when a number of events finish together there can
> be a large queue for the train. This queue has generally been handled very
> well by the organisers in my experience over the last week. However you are
> still likely to be standing or walking slowly for some minutes out in the
> open with no cover. The severe warning advising of damaging hail and winds
> has particularly poignancy. You have to feel sorry for anyone potentially
> caught out in this:
> 
> 
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNINGTOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCASTIssued at
> 21:56
> on Tuesday the 26th of September 2000
> 
> This warning affects people in the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.This warning also affects people in the following Local
> Government Areas:Wollongong.
> 
> Also included in this warning are the following
> Olympic venues:Sydney City, Sydney Harbour, Bondi Beach, Offshore, Olympic
> Park,
> Bankstown, Horsley Park, Blacktown

We were very lucky indeed that it happened on Tuesday night and
not on any other night; Tuesday night was the least busy night of the
fortnight (no athletics or swimming), so there were no bus queues at
all. There was a lightning strike within 50 metres of us (judging
by the near-simultaneous flash and thunder - I didn't see the actual
strike, so presume it must have been behind us in the area where the
bus queues normally were) as we were getting onto a bus, at around 
2200. One can only imagine the likely consequences had it happened
the night before or after, with several hundred people gathered in the
area.

I wondered what contingency plans (if any) SOCOG had for lightning;
some of the venues, such as the hockey (where we were that night) are
very exposed indeed with seats on temporary scaffolds, but one wonders
how quickly the stands could be cleared if there was lightning nearby,
and where such a large number of people could be moved to at short
notice.

Will respond to some of the other posts during the last week when
I've had a chance to catch up from a week up in Sydney - from some
of the posts it looks like the Australian September max temp record
may have been tested.

Blair Trewin
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Record-breaking max temps yesterday
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> 
> A huge number of locations across southern NT, inland southern Qld and
> northeastern NSW had their hottest September day on (computerised)
> record yesterday. On a quick inspection, the following appear to be
> new September records (with the old record and years of computerised
> record in brackets):
> 
> Yuendumu NT: 38.1 (37.2, 33)
> Jervois NT: 41.0 (40.6, 31)
> Boulia AP Qld: 40.6 (40.2, 43)
> Windorah PO Qld: 40.2 (39.0, 33)
> Texas Qld: 35.8 (34.8, 30)
> Stanthorpe Qld: 30.0 (29.0, 30)
> Oakey AP Qld: 35.0 (33.5, 27)
> Surat PO Qld: 36.8 (36.1, 35)
> Bollon Qld: 38.9 (38.0, 43)
> Cunnamulla Qld: 37.6 (36.5, 43)
> Thargomindah PO Qld: 39.3 (38.4, 43)
> Narrabri West NSW: 36.6 (35.6, 37)
> Barraba NSW: 33.0 (31.6, 30)
> Gunnedah SCS NSW: 34.0 (33.9, 33)
> Woolbrook NSW: 28.2 (27.5, 29)
> Inverell Res Centre NSW: 30.8 (30.3, 35)
> Grafton Pool NSW: 37.2 (36.5, 33)
> Taree Radio 2RE NSW: 37.2 (36.4, 35)
> Mt Seaview NSW: 36.2 (34.5, 31)
> 
Bedourie (42.6) appears to have broken the Queensland September 
record (previously 41.4 at Birdsville). This is also only 0.2 off
the Australian September record, set jointly at Wave Hill (NT) and
Mandora (WA).

There was a near-miss in NSW when Casino got to 38.7, 0.2 short of
the record (set at Wentworth in 1922 - I smell a slight rat about
that one and will be getting hold of Mildura data from that time
soon). NE NSW can be a bit of a hotspot in late winter and early
spring, with Casino being a particularly favoured site. (Taree and
Jerrys Plains seem to be usual suspects a bit later in the season).

Blair Trewin
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hi folks
i received an email from a guy in the states who is searching for a photo
of the jarrell tornado in texas 1997. it was called 'dead man walking'
apparently. he saw it on a tornado show once. if anyone can help please
email david at seth1 at sprynet.com
cyas

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Why does it make it difficult for you to respond to my e-mails?  I would 
like to keep my details private over the net, no offence to anyone but the 
net is definatley not a secure place.  I don't see why it matters so much, I 
will never meet any of you most likely and considering the pathetic response 
from Adelaide people to e-mails there seems to be no need to give details.  
When I say pathetic I mean there only about 2 people that ever seem to be on 
this list from Adelaide.  Many times I've never got one single reply to my 
e-mails.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all and Luke.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I checked wind damage today (Monday 2.10.00) around 
the Clifton Springs and Drysdale area. ( Luke Garde checked yesterday),The track 
which was associated with Saturdays active cold front showed damage over a width 
of  about 2 to 3 kilometres wide, inside this area was a very narrow core of 
moderate to very local severe damage mostly to trees. The central core&nbsp; of 
main damage was between 100 and 300 meters wide, the line of damage extended 
across the Bellarine Peninsular from Clifton Springs to St Leonard's, about 
17klm and appeared to move from a bearing of 290 degrees (to be confirmed). 
Judging by tree damage i.e. very large and healthy pine trees either snapped off 
or uprooted, winds in the central core may have exceeded 160kph .All damaged 
trees show a windthrown direction from between 250 and 290 degrees, there is 
very little evidence to support tornadic origin, but appears to be associated 
with&nbsp; a very mobile downburst situation moving along the cold front, there 
were embedded thunderstorms  in the immediate area with lightning and hail 
reported along the damage track. Wind gusts recorded in the Geelong region were 
consistently between 100 and 114kph, the official BOM site at Point Wilson 
recorded 111kph. More to come later. Regards Clyve 
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Hi SG.
Your rather anti social response to this request and then your response to
the  pathetic reply rates to your emails, reflects the mood of the list in
replying to someone who wishes to remain anon, just as you claim this to be
your right then it is the right of individuals  not to reply to someone with
an attitude you seem to have towards others on the list goodbye Clyve
Herbert
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> Why does it make it difficult for you to respond to my e-mails?  I would
> like to keep my details private over the net, no offence to anyone but the
> net is definatley not a secure place.  I don't see why it matters so much,
I
> will never meet any of you most likely and considering the pathetic
response
> from Adelaide people to e-mails there seems to be no need to give details.
> When I say pathetic I mean there only about 2 people that ever seem to be
on
> this list from Adelaide.  Many times I've never got one single reply to my
> e-mails.
>
> Sorry
> S.G.
>
>
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm near Mackay
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Hi all

Is there anyone on the Queensland tropical coast that can provide some sort
of observations on a long-lasting storm system that has been present just
northwest of Mackay for about the last 2-3 hours? It is quite lightning
active and appears fairly significant on radar as well as satellite
imagery...

Thanks

Matt Pearce
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North Sydney 2060
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:02:07 +1000, Jane ONeill
<cadence at stormchasers.au.com> wrote:

>Laurier,
>
>It's being used as a time stamp on some satellite images that I've seen
>instead of AEDST - it seems to have only started in the last few days.
>
What's the source of the satpix, Jane?

Laurier

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Matt .
I also have been watching this region on radar and visual sat pic. The storm
area appears to be a typical non severe cluster of multicells showing rather
erratic movement  and favouring new cells along outflow boundaries,there
appears to be a slight north eastward propagation of the whole complex but
the cirrus outflow seems to favour an east south-eastward movement.
regards Clyve Herbert.
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:09 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Storm near Mackay


> Hi all
>
> Is there anyone on the Queensland tropical coast that can provide some
sort
> of observations on a long-lasting storm system that has been present just
> northwest of Mackay for about the last 2-3 hours? It is quite lightning
> active and appears fairly significant on radar as well as satellite
> imagery...
>
> Thanks
>
> Matt Pearce
> ____________________
> The Weather Company
> Level 2, 7 West Street
> North Sydney 2060
> Phone: (02) 9955 7704
> Fax: (02) 9955 1536
> http://www.theweather.com.au
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:27:59 +1000
From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Evening all,

Have included all of the damage reports that I have so far on the
October 2000 Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page.
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/oct2000.htm
I also found wind damage yesterday on the eastern side of Westernport
Bay just north of Grantville.  Stands of paperbark (sp??) had been blown
down with a windthrown (good descriptive term) direction from around 270
to 290 degrees (guesstimate).  BoM agreed with the wind direction, so
it's probably not too far out.  Tony Middleton also reported damage to
the east of Wonthaggi.

I have found the 20m measuring tape, as this is the 2nd site I have
visited where stepping things out just isn't good enough.

Jane

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clyve herbert wrote:

> Hi all and Luke.I checked wind damage today (Monday 2.10.00) around
> the Clifton Springs and Drysdale area. ( Luke Garde checked
> yesterday),The track which was associated with Saturdays active cold
> front showed damage over a width of about 2 to 3 kilometres wide,
> inside this area was a very narrow core of moderate to very local
> severe damage mostly to trees. The central core  of main damage was
> between 100 and 300 meters wide, the line of damage extended across
> the Bellarine Peninsular from Clifton Springs to St Leonard's, about
> 17klm and appeared to move from a bearing of 290 degrees (to be
> confirmed). Judging by tree damage i.e. very large and healthy pine
> trees either snapped off or uprooted, winds in the central core may
> have exceeded 160kph .All damaged trees show a windthrown direction
> from between 250 and 290 degrees, there is very little evidence to
> support tornadic origin, but appears to be associated with  a very
> mobile downburst situation moving along the cold front, there were
> embedded thunderstorms in the immediate area with lightning and hail
> reported along the damage track. Wind gusts recorded in the Geelong
> region were consistently between 100 and 114kph, the official BOM site
> at Point Wilson recorded 111kph. More to come later. Regards Clyve
> Herbert.

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Hi every1 (including SG and clyve!)

While I think rather emotive words like "pathetic" are best left to 
describing things like Wycheproof wx at the minute...I totally respect 
anybody's wishes to remain essentially anonymous...the 'net can be an 
intimidating place (rightly or wrongly) if people that you don't intend get 
particular information.

Not everyone that wants to be anonymous "has something to hide...!"

'Nuff said?

Cheers,
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Hi S G,

Great to hear you respond. Perhaps even a first name would be great. But 
never mind. I think the lack of action seems to be the main problem regards 
SA not responding and also some have been busy (seriously) in the past 
month or so.

Yes the net is an insecure place as you say but I think this list should 
not pose much of a problem. But I do respect your thoughts if there are 
security concerns. The main reason we like on this list to have names (even 
first names) and places (regions) is so that we can get a feel of where the 
reports are coming from and so on and how it fits into the picture. I hope 
you can understand our reasons as well.

Cheers

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:02 PM 2/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Why does it make it difficult for you to respond to my e-mails?  I would 
>like to keep my details private over the net, no offence to anyone but the 
>net is definatley not a secure place.  I don't see why it matters so much, 
>I will never meet any of you most likely and considering the pathetic 
>response from Adelaide people to e-mails there seems to be no need to give 
>details.
>When I say pathetic I mean there only about 2 people that ever seem to be 
>on this list from Adelaide.  Many times I've never got one single reply to 
>my e-mails.
>
>Sorry
>S.G.
>
>
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From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Interesting image of this storm cluster can be found on the following site
(latest image is 07:32UTC (1832hours AEDST)
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html
- click on the image near Mackay if you want to see a closer (4km rather than
32km) image of the area (it appears to be part of a trough linked to the cold
front currently crossing NZ) .  If you haven't used this site before, you can
also get a close up loop over a number of hours as follows
Go to the area in red which says:-
Set controls below then click anywhere in the image to zoom.

Click the radio button next to  "Animation" and then set the number of images to
make up the loop (I tend to run 10 - 15 rather than the preset of 6 to give me
the best idea of atmospheric setup for an event like this).  Width, quality,
zoom factor, map colour & colour enhancement I leave as set...than you click on
the map of Australia in the spot where you want the image loop to be centred.
You will get a loop with the same colour scale as can be found below the static
image - which can be pretty stunning.

BTW, if you want to animate the whole globe you simply click on the 'Animate
image below' button
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- see also http://207.133.112.37/gms5/austwv.jpg


Jane

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Bushfire near Wollongong
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:44:51 +1000
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A small bushfire today near my place. The fire started around 11am on an
island in Lake Illawarra, but with a NE seabreeze it just smouldered away
for a few hours. That was until the wind changed to west offshore at around
3.30pm, the fire suddenly roared into life with the stronger winds and low
RL, temperatures were mild.

I have some video stills of the fire at

http://thunder.simplenet.com/021000.htm

on the moving video there were a couple of small fire devils, but the still
frames do not show them up.

Seems that 20mm earlier in the week had little affect, we need more like
200mm to get out of trouble, actually the 20mm will probably be counter
productive as it will cause a flush of growth along the road verges that
will quickly die off and become tinder for cigarette butts from the
ignorant.

Michael Thompson
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<DIV>How far away from your area are these places, did you get anything at 
Leopold ?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Michael</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
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  <A href="mailto:mesof5 at iprimus.com.au" title=mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>clyve 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 2 October 2000 17:55</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Storm damage 
  Drysdale.Victoria.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all and Luke.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I checked wind damage today (Monday 2.10.00) 
  around the Clifton Springs and Drysdale area. ( Luke Garde checked 
  yesterday),The track which was associated with Saturdays active cold front 
  showed damage over a width of about 2 to 3 kilometres wide, inside this area 
  was a very narrow core of moderate to very local severe damage mostly to 
  trees. The central core&nbsp; of main damage was between 100 and 300 meters 
  wide, the line of damage extended across the Bellarine Peninsular from Clifton 
  Springs to St Leonard's, about 17klm and appeared to move from a bearing of 
  290 degrees (to be confirmed). Judging by tree damage i.e. very large and 
  healthy pine trees either snapped off or uprooted, winds in the central core 
  may have exceeded 160kph .All damaged trees show a windthrown direction from 
  between 250 and 290 degrees, there is very little evidence to support tornadic 
  origin, but appears to be associated with&nbsp; a very mobile downburst 
  situation moving along the cold front, there were embedded thunderstorms in 
  the immediate area with lightning and hail reported along the damage track. 
  Wind gusts recorded in the Geelong region were consistently between 100 and 
  114kph, the official BOM site at Point Wilson recorded 111kph. More to come 
  later. Regards Clyve Herbert.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From: Matthew Smith <tornado at bigpond.net.au>
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Im in Burwood and im smelling bushfire smoke, probably from that fire Michael
with the SW wind, blowing it up this way.

Matt

Michael Thompson wrote:

> A small bushfire today near my place. The fire started around 11am on an
> island in Lake Illawarra, but with a NE seabreeze it just smouldered away
> for a few hours. That was until the wind changed to west offshore at around
> 3.30pm, the fire suddenly roared into life with the stronger winds and low
> RL, temperatures were mild.
>
> I have some video stills of the fire at
>
> http://thunder.simplenet.com/021000.htm
>
> on the moving video there were a couple of small fire devils, but the still
> frames do not show them up.
>
> Seems that 20mm earlier in the week had little affect, we need more like
> 200mm to get out of trouble, actually the 20mm will probably be counter
> productive as it will cause a flush of growth along the road verges that
> will quickly die off and become tinder for cigarette butts from the
> ignorant.
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From: Matthew Smith <tornado at bigpond.net.au>
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hah shows what happens when you dont get much sleep.

Must have been a fire to my SW/W somewhere near holsworthy ? blowing the smoke
this way <g>
A Westerly wind would blow the smoke from your fire out to sea hehe.
Tired and a little confuzzled.

Matt Smith


Michael Thompson wrote:

> A small bushfire today near my place. The fire started around 11am on an
> island in Lake Illawarra, but with a NE seabreeze it just smouldered away
> for a few hours. That was until the wind changed to west offshore at around
> 3.30pm, the fire suddenly roared into life with the stronger winds and low
> RL, temperatures were mild.
>
> I have some video stills of the fire at
>
> http://thunder.simplenet.com/021000.htm
>
> on the moving video there were a couple of small fire devils, but the still
> frames do not show them up.
>
> Seems that 20mm earlier in the week had little affect, we need more like
> 200mm to get out of trouble, actually the 20mm will probably be counter
> productive as it will cause a flush of growth along the road verges that
> will quickly die off and become tinder for cigarette butts from the
> ignorant.
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Hi Matt,

I went out on my balcony to try out the UHF radio and saw smoke form a fire 
in one of the suburbs to your general W Matt. I would say that the winds 
were more W than SW today. It was nothing major though.

Interesting action up near Proserpine. The storm system seems to have 
progressed inland.

Jimmy Deguara


At 08:11 PM 2/10/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Im in Burwood and im smelling bushfire smoke, probably from that fire Michael
>with the SW wind, blowing it up this way.
>
>Matt
>
>Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> > A small bushfire today near my place. The fire started around 11am on an
> > island in Lake Illawarra, but with a NE seabreeze it just smouldered away
> > for a few hours. That was until the wind changed to west offshore at around
> > 3.30pm, the fire suddenly roared into life with the stronger winds and low
> > RL, temperatures were mild.
> >
> > I have some video stills of the fire at
> >
> > http://thunder.simplenet.com/021000.htm
> >
> > on the moving video there were a couple of small fire devils, but the still
> > frames do not show them up.
> >
> > Seems that 20mm earlier in the week had little affect, we need more like
> > 200mm to get out of trouble, actually the 20mm will probably be counter
> > productive as it will cause a flush of growth along the road verges that
> > will quickly die off and become tinder for cigarette butts from the
> > ignorant.
> >
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Michael,

Great pictures. I'm impressed with the speed at which you expand on your
(sensational) web site aswell!

On the way back from Taralga to Wollongong I saw some smoke plumes past
the Picton turn off which would have been the ones Matt was refering to.
They just looked like burn offs.

Andrew.



Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> A small bushfire today near my place. The fire started around 11am on an
> island in Lake Illawarra, but with a NE seabreeze it just smouldered away
> for a few hours. That was until the wind changed to west offshore at around
> 3.30pm, the fire suddenly roared into life with the stronger winds and low
> RL, temperatures were mild.
> 
> I have some video stills of the fire at
> 
> http://thunder.simplenet.com/021000.htm
> 
> on the moving video there were a couple of small fire devils, but the still
> frames do not show them up.
> 
> Seems that 20mm earlier in the week had little affect, we need more like
> 200mm to get out of trouble, actually the 20mm will probably be counter
> productive as it will cause a flush of growth along the road verges that
> will quickly die off and become tinder for cigarette butts from the
> ignorant.
> 
> Michael Thompson
> http://thunder.simplenet.com
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm damage Drysdale.Victoria.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Michael.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Leopold is about 15klm from Drysdale, Luke Garde 
(an ASWA member) lives At Clifton Springs about 1klm from the track area.I 
recorded a wind gust of 110kph from the passage of the cold front in Leopold,the 
cold front was rather impressive with the leading edge of the frontal boundary 
(looked like a gust front) moving at around 80kph!, The high intensity radar 
reflections were only about 3 to 5 kilometres wide, it also appears the cold 
front underwent diurnal intensification over the central district and was also 
enhanced by marked cold advection above 600hpa. I noted snow streaks the next 
morning descending to at least 700 to 800m under low vertical accent cold CBs. 
regards Clyve H.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>How far away from your area are these places, did you get anything at 
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all and Luke.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I checked wind damage today (Monday 2.10.00) 
    around the Clifton Springs and Drysdale area. ( Luke Garde checked 
    yesterday),The track which was associated with Saturdays active cold front 
    showed damage over a width of about 2 to 3 kilometres wide, inside this area 
    was a very narrow core of moderate to very local severe damage mostly to 
    trees. The central core&nbsp; of main damage was between 100 and 300 meters 
    wide, the line of damage extended across the Bellarine Peninsular from 
    Clifton Springs to St Leonard's, about 17klm and appeared to move from a 
    bearing of 290 degrees (to be confirmed). Judging by tree damage i.e. very 
    large and healthy pine trees either snapped off or uprooted, winds in the 
    central core may have exceeded 160kph .All damaged trees show a windthrown 
    direction from between 250 and 290 degrees, there is very little evidence to 
    support tornadic origin, but appears to be associated with&nbsp; a very 
    mobile downburst situation moving along the cold front, there were embedded 
    thunderstorms in the immediate area with lightning and hail reported along 
    the damage track. Wind gusts recorded in the Geelong region were 
    consistently between 100 and 114kph, the official BOM site at Point Wilson 
    recorded 111kph. More to come later. Regards Clyve 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bushfire near Wollongong
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:51:53 +1000
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Thanks Andrew,

The bushfire pics are just a temporary page. Whilst storm chasing is
acceptable to the general public, I do not think bushfire chasing would ever
be, so I certainly not going public with fire reports. They look good, but
more often then not are the product of reckless human. I feel sorry for all
the birds that may have nests in those trees and rushes.

Michael

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> Michael,
>
> Great pictures. I'm impressed with the speed at which you expand on your
> (sensational) web site aswell!
>
> On the way back from Taralga to Wollongong I saw some smoke plumes past
> the Picton turn off which would have been the ones Matt was refering to.
> They just looked like burn offs.
>
> Andrew.
>
>
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > A small bushfire today near my place. The fire started around 11am on an
> > island in Lake Illawarra, but with a NE seabreeze it just smouldered
away
> > for a few hours. That was until the wind changed to west offshore at
around
> > 3.30pm, the fire suddenly roared into life with the stronger winds and
low
> > RL, temperatures were mild.
> >
> > I have some video stills of the fire at
> >
> > http://thunder.simplenet.com/021000.htm
> >
> > on the moving video there were a couple of small fire devils, but the
still
> > frames do not show them up.
> >
> > Seems that 20mm earlier in the week had little affect, we need more like
> > 200mm to get out of trouble, actually the 20mm will probably be counter
> > productive as it will cause a flush of growth along the road verges that
> > will quickly die off and become tinder for cigarette butts from the
> > ignorant.
> >
> > Michael Thompson
> > http://thunder.simplenet.com
> >
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:06:31 +1000
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Hi all,

My parents have a vineyard in Taralga which, being at the bottom of the
village is rather frost prone. Last night we had our first (light)
post-bud-burst frost which reminded me of something that I've never been
able to work out.

It has always illuded me why in typical post-frontal weather up there,
the expected stiff, cool breeze (or gale) will blow during the day with
scattered orographic St or Cu but at night both will dissapear, usually
resulting in the frost that we were hoping the wind would keep away, and
then the wind would reappear the next day.

Why do the conditions of the day dissapear at night, and redevelop the
next day (keeping in mind that Taralga is at 800m, just east of the top
of the divide and the synoptic situation is post-cold-frontal)?

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hi everyone,
i finally have uploaded some 'new' photos from monday 19.9.2000. featuring 
some classic cold cb's, anvils and mammatus.
http://www.crosswinds.net/~anvils/whats_new.htm
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:35:43 +1000
From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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hey all!!!

...tonight while surfing........

One of my favourite photographers, Peter Jarver, has done some pretty
good things to his website - as well as making the images now large
enough to seriously drool over....worth a look!!
http://www.peterjarver.com/Pages/Skyscapes.html

The 2001 BoM calendar is almost ready to order if you'd like to have a
look at what's included or order it, take a look at
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/calendar/index.shtml  with links to
weather calendars around the world at the bottom of the page.

.... some great cloudscapes on this site
http://www.petedobre.com.au/gallery_clouds.html  - including that great
shot of the Cb near Robe in SA that's in the BoM calendar (April 2000)
...and I have just realised that the guy who took the photo (Pete Dobre)
is married to one of my cousins!!!!

Enjoy!!

Jane

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